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Title: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: 5PointOh on May 03, 2010, 10:32:31 PM
Yes, the P-51B is nearly identical to the C (other than build location) and the K is nearly identical to the D (Other than prop and build location). 

Here is my point, there are currently only 15 skins for each plane. P-51 are some of the most documented planes of WWII, currently the skin waiting list for the 51B is about 6-8mo and the 51D is a year plus.  No modeling change would have to be made to either, it just allows the skinners to add a couple more 51 skins to AH. 

Just my little thought...
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: Karnak on May 03, 2010, 10:52:39 PM
From what I understand, the number of skins is already causing performance issues in AH.  Due to that factor, I doubt this is something HTC would be game to do.  Good luck though.
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: oakranger on May 03, 2010, 10:59:15 PM
Well, then lets get the P-51K to add more skin. 
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 04, 2010, 12:01:45 AM
It's a waste of development time and resource to put in a plane that already exists in the plane set. 


ack-ack
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: AWwrgwy on May 04, 2010, 01:19:13 AM
It's a waste of development time and resource to put in a plane that already exists in the plane set. 


ack-ack

...just to double the skins which would defeat the reason for a skin limit in the first place.


wrongway
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: uptown on May 04, 2010, 06:55:51 AM
I've often wondered why they can't pull the 15 we have in the game now and put in a new set of 15 different skins from time to time. And then shuffle them around with each update.
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: ImADot on May 04, 2010, 08:42:43 AM
Because people have the choice to not show another player's skin, I see no purpose in this request.  Too bad that you can't fly the skin you want...at least you have some different P-51's to choose from.  And if HTC rotates skins so you get to use some new ones, image the whine threads "I no longer have the skin I want - why'd you take it away - I'm quitting the game."
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: LLogann on May 04, 2010, 09:26:35 AM
Coprhead, you're such a Skinner!     :salute
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: Larry on May 08, 2010, 01:04:03 AM
currently the skin waiting list for the 51B is about 6-8mo and the 51D is a year plus. 

My P15B skin was accepted March 2nd 2009, and still hasn't seen a day in AH so the wait for the B is more then 6-8 months
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: ACE on May 08, 2010, 08:06:31 AM
I agree with you copr.
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: Seadog36 on May 08, 2010, 12:29:06 PM
I understand rotating skins is onerous and even though there are dozens of new skins submissions waiting, there have been no changes on most in many months. It seems like they are channeling their tech resources to WW1 and new Mosquitoes. It would be nice to seen some new skins for sure :aok I'm waiting for new p-47d11 skins, I'm sure everyone else has a pick too.
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: gyrene81 on May 08, 2010, 12:39:34 PM
There are only 2 other skins I'd like to see...both are JG-27 109F-4s.  :D  


What would be really nice is if you could just add different elements to a basic skin in the hangar...say a maximum of 4 elements...country insignia, overall plane coloration, tail markings/colors and nose markings/colors. I wonder if that would have as much impact on frame rates as the way skins are handled now...it would basically be a single skin with small overlays on top. Probably not even possible to do.
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: cactuskooler on May 08, 2010, 02:07:02 PM
There are only 2 other skins I'd like to see...both are JG-27 109F-4s.  :D 


There's still two 109F-4 slots available. If you were to post some information about one or both of them, there is a fair chance someone might skin them for you.
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: oboe on May 10, 2010, 06:56:30 AM
From what I understand, the number of skins is already causing performance issues in AH.  Due to that factor, I doubt this is something HTC would be game to do.  Good luck though.

Karnak, what kind of performance issues are the skins causing?    Has HTC been talking about possible solutions or work-arounds?   Is it related to ingame downloading of skins, or just the sheer number of skins causing a lag when fetching the proper skin to display when an aircraft gets close enough?

I've been thinking I'd like to see the original canopied version of the '51B and the earlier '51D without the tail fillet.   We have so many versions of the Spit, the 109, the 190 and P-47,  but only 2 51s (of course these aircraft had longer combat service than the 51, I know).   Probably not much of a performance difference between the planes but it would allow for more skins and historically correct airframes for the skins - for example Fester's beautiful 361st 51D should really be on the earlier 51D model without the tail fillet.

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Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: Karnak on May 10, 2010, 11:55:21 AM
I don't recall the exact problem as it is a long time since I first heard it, but I seem to recall it had to do with video memory.
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: oboe on May 10, 2010, 12:32:35 PM
My P15B skin was accepted March 2nd 2009, and still hasn't seen a day in AH so the wait for the B is more then 6-8 months

I would've pulled an existing P-51B skin and inserted your submission sight unseen Larry.  I think AH is way overdue for fresh 51 skins.   A lot of the current skins do not do justice to the game.
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: Seadog36 on May 10, 2010, 12:50:15 PM
The problem I have with the P-51B's is that they all have Malcom hoods which was just an occasional modification
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: uptown on May 10, 2010, 01:11:17 PM
Well lets see a pic of your 51B skin Larry!  :rock
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: max107 on May 10, 2010, 06:56:23 PM
I would like the P-51-C
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: Guppy35 on May 10, 2010, 07:06:45 PM
I would like the P-51-C

Let's try this one more time.  We have a P51C.  The B and C are identical but were built in different locations.  Some of the skins done are C models.'

Keep in mind these are cartoon airplanes.  Considering the cartoon aircraft modeling is being done in Texas, it's more likely that our P51B/C is a C model
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: uptown on May 10, 2010, 07:52:33 PM
I would like the P-51-C
What is it about the 51C that you like better then the 51B? I would like to know  :headscratch:
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: ShrkBite on May 10, 2010, 08:00:45 PM
putting in a plane just for the skins when we want other planes put in just for having the plane? iunno.
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: Larry on May 11, 2010, 12:10:18 AM
Well lets see a pic of your 51B skin Larry!  :rock

Far from my best work but did it for a squadie and would really love to see it in game.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=255652.0;attach=6630;image

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,255652.0.html


What is it about the 51C that you like better then the 51B? I would like to know  :headscratch:

They were made it Texas thats all you need to know.  :banana:

Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: Larry on May 11, 2010, 12:18:57 AM
I would've pulled an existing P-51B skin and inserted your submission sight unseen Larry.  I think AH is way overdue for fresh 51 skins.   A lot of the current skins do not do justice to the game.

No, you're a better skinner then Ill ever be I wouldn't want someones work to be pulled just to make room for something of lesser quality. It just ticks me off that some people have 3,4,5+ slots in the skin list that look so much alike when there are such a limited number of slots. That's why you'll never see me do more then three skins for one plane, and I really don't like doing that. My main limit is two just so others can have their work shown.
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: AWwrgwy on May 11, 2010, 01:08:44 AM
I don't recall the exact problem as it is a long time since I first heard it, but I seem to recall it had to do with video memory.

From personal experience, every time a new skin renders I get stutters and lag which may or may not translate to warps or possibly getting booted.

Turning other's skins off is no fun.    :(

And, if you want extra skins just so you can fly them and only you can see them, exactly what's the point?  You can pretend....



wrongway
Title: Re: P-51C and P-51K
Post by: oboe on May 11, 2010, 12:22:54 PM
No, you're a better skinner then Ill ever be I wouldn't want someones work to be pulled just to make room for something of lesser quality. It just ticks me off that some people have 3,4,5+ slots in the skin list that look so much alike when there are such a limited number of slots. That's why you'll never see me do more then three skins for one plane, and I really don't like doing that. My main limit is two just so others can have their work shown.

Oh I don't think so.  Didn't you do the P-39Q "Snooks 2nd"?   That is a great-looking scheme and a well-done skin- one I most often choose when lumbering around the MA in the Iron Dog.  I don't have any 51B skins to pull for yours, but if I did, I would, if it was up to me.

I hear ya about multiple skins by the same skinner - I'm guilty of that with the '38.   But it seemed not too many people were willing to skin the '38 though- in fact even though the '38 was one of the first 3D models to be redone, the 38L still has open skin slots.   I always figured HTC could pull any of my skins to make room for someone else's, but it hasn't worked out that way.