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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zigrat on July 11, 2001, 07:30:00 PM
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plz note i was flying an a8/r8 with twin 30mm cannon
http://www.iit.edu/~buonmic/cheat.ahf (http://www.iit.edu/~buonmic/cheat.ahf)
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Agreed ...looks strange....got multiple hits on both m3's.
Dunno Zig...I know Lars wouldn't even think of any kind of cheat...
Rubber bullets ???
:confused:
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Roger, it looked strange to me too?? But one thing I noticed too was the kill that SparkZz got on the Typhie. SparkZz died before the thyphie chute deployed and I don't think a kill was registered. I that both would have been. I wonder if there was a latency issue?? Not sure.. but I see what you were posting about?
Thunder
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i think it has something to do with the m3 rather than a player - i wacked one good with a 250kg bomb and he lived while the flak that spawned next to him exploded! then i came around and strafed him with 2x20mm + 1x30mm and ne'ery a scratch. guessing but maybe there's bug or somethin?? :confused:
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I sense a significant increase in M3 deployments very soon... as soon as others see this film.
I may never have to beg for troops again. :)
:cool: :D :p :eek:
[ 07-11-2001: Message edited by: Hangtime ]
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M3's and M16's are more difficult to kill than Osties or Panzers with this new version.
AKDejaVu<- put 7 AP rounds into an M3 without killing him
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Haven't seen the film yet, but mayhaps with an M3 it's more important where you hit him rather than with what or how much. Since they were not armored very heavy, wouldn't AP pass through them like a hot knife/ cold butter?
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Watched the film... it is quite interesting to say the least. Why don't you ask Mr. Lars what happened on his FE? He was one of the M3's right? I DID see several hits - but since the 20s and 30s fire together, it is impossible to say which hit and which missed. I also noticed that towards the end you were down into the 300s in cannon ammo- at that point the 30s have been exhausted and you are only firing the 2x20mm. I think the best thing to do would be to ask MrLars what he saw on his FE, and the other M3 as well.
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huh when im in a m3 it takes very few hits and im dead . dont know ill have to film my next m3 incounter and see what happens
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Zig-
This is exactly why I am not flying right now. Every time I logged on I had results exactly as the film displayed- multiple hits, no apparent damage. I can't believe everyone I met was cheating, therefore I must assume it was lag or connect related.
Pretty frustrating to say the least- you hammer stuff that won't die, you get taken out in a ping or two. :(
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i killed a m3 in one pass with a pee51
you have to hit it , not just shoot at it,
people are always saying 'i hit it , but it didn't die".. when i shoot a ground target my shells kick up so much dirt i lose sight of the GV most of the time and can't see if i'm hitting or not.
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blame skuzy or the the M3 player isp or hiz net seting
geting bad luck on warps lagers and others
waiting the day when i begin gloriosly warp laag around
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If you look, you see there are multiple hits on both M3's. You can see the hit sprites. There were at least 4-5 passes made, and he hit on every one. There is no doubting that, at least on Zig's end, there was contact.
Now the argument goes that it really doesn't matter what Zig sees, it matters what the M3's saw. Therein lies the problem; how else is Zig to determine where to shoot? If he sees hits, he knows he is hitting the right spot- or is he? And if it is not the right spot, how would he know which spot is the right spot? (insert gratuitous FDB sexual comment here ;))
These types of things usually last a day or two for most people. It usually is related to the nature and state of the web between user and the server. Still, I know exactly how Zig feels.
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I haven't looked at the film but from what I remember...
I did hear hit sounds on your first pass but less than I expected. Strangge thing is that none of my shots regestered hits pn your first pass...and I usualy do pretty good using the aa gun in vehicles. The next 2 passes <I think> you hit me more frequently and I was only able to see 3-4 hit sprites on you. You knocked out one of my tracks and on your last pass before you died I got quite a few hits on ya...I was suprised how many hits I took since I killed an M16 the previous sortie with only 20 or so Hispanos from a Seafire.
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BTW...could you change the name of the film? Kind of insulting ya know :/
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
M3's and M16's are more difficult to kill than Osties or Panzers with this new version.
AKDejaVu<- put 7 AP rounds into an M3 without killing him
Agreed, and...one .50 cal bullet takes out tank tracks, think they got the damage models mixed up ;)
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Actually, is damage to your enemy taken from your FE??? I've passed enemies, and then I hear damage sounds and lose control surfaces when they are 600yds PAST me on my FE. The only difference is in planes colliding on FE. If it only happens on your FE, your plane gets crunched, but the other guy is fine. I have this happen several times. Actually, on one of the 600yd past things, the guy must have shot me then rammed me! I didn't film it, but from recollection (yeah, not the right thing to do, but anyways)... from my FE perspective, it's a nose-nose merge, and to avoid the HO I went low and to the right (the opponent's left). I look 6 to see what he's gonna do, and about 600yds, I start getting lit up! I switch back to fwd view to try, assess damage and try to recover. no luck, I'm on fire with a wing gone. I whine on squad channel, and see a WTG! message. I expand the radio buffer and sure enough, I have a kill rewarded! I never fired a shot at him, and avoided him on my FE. So as far as I can figure, on his FE, he went for the HO, shot me up, but hit my plane in the process, killing himself. I hit the ground and just get a You have been killed. message. no XXXXX shot you down.
So, it looks like damage to enemies from your gunfire is calculated on your side (makes sense) but damage to enemies from collisions isn't calculated on your side (also makes sense.) From this, the M3 was taking some hits, and MrLars said as much. He was taking damage. The problem seems to be in the fact that the M3 is a beastly little transport, while the Osti track is put together with the same stuff as a P38 tail! ;)
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guys since the new armor model for GVs came out, M3s and m16s have been tougher to kill then panzer or osty. ive seen m3s take 10+ osty round before dieing.
M3s and M16s have uber armor right now.
Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Agreed, and...one .50 cal bullet takes out tank tracks, think they got the damage models mixed up ;)
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Guess I'll wait a day or two to see if Zig has the stones to do what's right....tap, tap, tap....
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I have it on good authority that Lars is in possesion of that closely guarded M3 cheat code that double the bullet effect of the gun on the M3, and triples the ability of the M3 to take damage.
I understand HT traded the code to MrLars for a bottle of cheap scotch and a couple pictures of Walter Brennan naked. :)
Dago
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Wrong Dago...it was pics of Earnest Borgnine...get your facts straight mister!!!
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Hi Zig,
Looked at the film and my money goes to some kinda lag issue. I've had a terrible time past two weeks hitting nme planes and no damage and dieing every flight with planes disappearing on me. I changed my dialup and things seem to be "normal" now.
Still die every flight, but at least I take a few with me :D
Nomde
63rd FS/56th FG
"Zemke's Wolfpack"
(http://members.theglobe.com/Nomdegurre/files/pictures/signature.jpg)
"God loves the 56th"
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I want to order a copy of the program and the
instructional film on how to use it.
Where do I send my check?
I cant get the film to work ...post it again, not gonna pay my money if the film doen't work ..thats cheating.
sprint
btw ... that a bad name for the film :eek:
[ 07-12-2001: Message edited by: sprint ]
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sorry for the name i was pissed off
u would be too if that happened to u then the m3 drove up to your field and captured it
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Zigrat .. Please post the address to the film once again please, I cant get to open ..maybe one more try will do it.
Glad your not pissed anymore. :)
sprint
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Those damned halftracks went from being too damned easy to kill to being too damned hard to kill.
"Oh the balance of gameplay, why has it so betrayed me"
-Elwood Shakespere-
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Originally posted by Zigrat:
sorry for the name i was pissed off
u would be too if that happened to u then the m3 drove up to your field and captured it
And that's the rub Zig...you disabled both of us, we <the two M3's in the film> didn't make it to the field. :/