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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Reschke on May 07, 2010, 02:41:45 PM
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I have always respected the Russians for their utter lack of civility when someone screws with them.
Forgot to add my favorite quote in the article....
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev had hinted Thursday at tough punishment for the pirates, saying "perhaps we should get back to the idea of establishing an international court and other legal tools" to prosecute pirates. "Until then, we'll have to do what our forefathers did when they met the pirates," he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100507/ap_on_re_eu/eu_piracy
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hang em high
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Bout darn time.
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So, walk the plank ye slackers. Yer maties may live to tell that ye should not #cough# with the Russkies.
WTG. Clean, swift and impressive. For Russia :aok
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Catch and release is perfectly acceptable. Catch them disarm them and then release them to Davy Jones court of the sea. Put a 20mm hole in the bottom of the dinghy and give them a teaspoon to bail and use as an oar to get back home.
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What's so difficult about carting them home and prosecuting them...?
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Keelhaul the scurvy buggers.
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What's so difficult about carting them home and prosecuting them...?
there gunna keep doing it. so just hang em all or dump them overboard
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What's so difficult about carting them home and prosecuting them...?
Considering the harshness of life in places like Somalia.....and considering the comparative paradise of a British / American prison cell (maybe not a Russian one)......if I was a Somalian I'd take up a life of piracy hoping to be captured, carted back to Britain and prosecuted. I'd plead innocent and spit in the judges eye too, just to get a longer sentance. We want to discourage these maniacs from doing this sort of thing, not reward them.
And why should I have to pay (in the form of taxation) for the transportation, legal proceedings and incarceration of these people? I begrudge paying tax as it is.
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Keelhaul the scurvy buggers.
In shark infested waters...after you hamstring them.
What's so difficult about carting them home and prosecuting them...?
They ain't worth the food, fuel or time.
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In shark infested waters...after you hamstring them.
They ain't worth the food, fuel or time.
How about making them live targets for our new soldiers? It would eliminate the need of the shock of killing someone for the first time being in battle. Using human targets would also be more realistic, as they would try to get away from the bullets.
Also, they could be used as disposable hand-to-hand combat dummies. They would stand there, and the soldier would bayonet, knife, or simply club or choke them to death. Ah Sparta, you always gave us the best training techniques!
-Penguin
-Penguin
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I like the Russians. They don't mess around.
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How about making them live targets for our new soldiers? It would eliminate the need of the shock of killing someone for the first time being in battle. Using human targets would also be more realistic, as they would try to get away from the bullets.
Also, they could be used as disposable hand-to-hand combat dummies. They would stand there, and the soldier would bayonet, knife, or simply club or choke them to death. Ah Sparta, you always gave us the best training techniques!
-Penguin
-Penguin
Yes. I'm sure it is a good idea to get soldiers to like and enjoy killing people. Why not just recruit directly from prison? I'm sure an Army of psychopaths would be very efficient.
wrongway
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"sent home," unarmed and without navigational devices, in the small boats they had used to approach the tanker.
Perhaps the Russians did just that. They didn't say whether they gave them any fuel or not and how far out to sea they were released.
I doubt there is a Captain Bligh amongst the pirates.
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Yes. I'm sure it is a good idea to get soldiers to like and enjoy killing people. Why not just recruit directly from prison? I'm sure an Army of psychopaths would be very efficient.
wrongway
No, each soldier would only get one pirate. This is just to prevent them from breaking down from killing humans in battle. This would keep them from having to recover during a firefight. It would also weed out the weak ones from the pack.
-Penguin
P.S. I never said they had to like it, they should just have to do it.
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How about making them live targets for our new soldiers? It would eliminate the need of the shock of killing someone for the first time being in battle. Using human targets would also be more realistic, as they would try to get away from the bullets.
Also, they could be used as disposable hand-to-hand combat dummies. They would stand there, and the soldier would bayonet, knife, or simply club or choke them to death. Ah Sparta, you always gave us the best training techniques!
-Penguin
-Penguin
There's something deeply wrong with you.
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I know, I totally agree with you, I forgot the :banana:, gotcha!
-Penguin
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What's so difficult about carting them home and prosecuting them...?
It costs $$$ we don't have. Why should a single taxpayer dollar be spent on them? It would be cheaper for the US govt to just pay all the ransom requests. For that matter, we might as well just bribe them to not hijack any ships. Wait... We tried that wel over 100 years ago. It got too expensive and we sent in the Marines, problem solved, no more piracy against US flagged ships for 100 years.
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Put a 20mm hole in the bottom of the dinghy and give them a teaspoon to bail and use as an oar to get back home.
Haha, for once we're on the exact same wave lenght. I said the exact same to others right after I saw the news.
Knowing the russians I was already expecting them to release the pirates in the middle of nowhere. If you screw the russians you better do it right, for they're going to screw you if you don't.
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There's something deeply wrong with you.
I know right :aok
froger
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Pirates are people too.
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But not people worth keeping around. I think that our ancestors had a point, once a pirate, always a pirate. Besides, how many peoples' deaths has he/she made possible? I say hang 'em high.
-Penguin
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:devil devils advocate here :devil
alot of these pirates are displaced fishermen due to the fouling of waters from the international oil business...
just saying...
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:devil devils advocate here :devil
alot of these pirates are displaced fishermen due to the fouling of waters from the international oil business...
just saying...
Very true.
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alot of these pirates are displaced fishermen due to the fouling of waters from the international oil business...
just saying...
Very true.
So...that means all of the displaced people out of work because of the corrupt economic finanical systems and oil companies gouging prices should band together and do something similar? Somalia's problems started long before the international oil business caused any issues.
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So...that means all of the displaced people out of work because of the corrupt economic finanical systems and oil companies gouging prices should band together and do something similar? Somalia's problems started long before the international oil business caused any issues.
Not at all, I'm just saying that the reason for their piracy is fairly obvious, and that it isn't that they're doing it out of evilness, or anything like that.
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:devil devils advocate here :devil
alot of these pirates are displaced fishermen due to the fouling of waters from the international oil business...
just saying...
Its not simply Oil business alone.
There is always Our side, Their Side and the Truth.
Here is some of Their side and probably holds some Truth.
http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/afrikan-world-news/36983-reason-somali-piracy.html
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They're pirating because it's profitable and there's a low risk of getting into real trouble, like dying or suffering. Everything else in the current magnitude of pirating is just an excuse. Failing, or getting caught, usually means that they're stripped of their weapons and equipment, but then let free to try again. Western states aren't interested in hauling them back to home with them, since for the pirates the western jails are no worse than what they face at home and on top of that they might be eligible for asylum afterwards. Just don't get caught by the russians or chinese.
Piracy is business. The groups sent to sea are funded by investors or some wealthy pirate staying ashore. You can get new pirate sailors for cheap while the equipment costs the most, although the weapons are cheap. If they fail the investor at most loses the equipment. The risk is neglible compared to the profits - try again and you may well gain back what you lost and even get profit.
Piracy is made possible by the anarchist state of the country. There's no central government, not the kind that has any power whatsoever. There's no navy and there are innumerous safe havens on land. The armed groups are more powerful than any government force, which is forced to stay on defensive. The rebels have nothing but to gain from piracy that can be used to fund their cause. So there's not only those seeking for wealth but also rebels seeking for more power. And money is power.
Better yet, they're raiding ships that are nowhere near the Somalian waters. Try to make up an excuse for that; other than that the somalian waters have more patrols.
The foreign fishers pretty much abandoned the place once it became too dangerous to operate. The "somalian coastguard" ran out of fishing ships and turned their attention to other ships, realising how good business it was to capture fishing ships for ransom. That's where their justification ended.
They're not on a just cause by any means, only greed. Just like many others around the world touting for a just cause.
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oh fuss. bad guys no. good guys yes. be done with it.
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oh fuss. bad guys no. good guys yes. be done with it.
Yes, cause things are just *that* simple. Yeah right.
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I remember back in the 80's when they were kidnapping lots of people in the middle east, mostly Americans and British. but once a Russian was kidnapped, the KGB found who was holding him hostage and kidnapped a relative of the guy in charge of the kidnappers (an uncle if i remember correctly) then cut his head off and delivered to the kidnappers, the Russian hostage was released a few days later unharmed. no other Russian was kidnapped after that. like they say, you play with fire, u are gonna get burned.
semp
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Yes. I'm sure it is a good idea to get soldiers to like and enjoy killing people. Why not just recruit directly from prison? I'm sure an Army of psychopaths would be very efficient.
wrongway
The marines have done quite well over the years Wrongway
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The marines have done quite well over the years Wrongway
:rofl
-Penguin
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What's so difficult about carting them home and prosecuting them...?
waste of fuel? :aok
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I remember back in the 80's when they were kidnapping lots of people in the middle east, mostly Americans and British. but once a Russian was kidnapped, the KGB found who was holding him hostage and kidnapped a relative of the guy in charge of the kidnappers (an uncle if i remember correctly) then cut his head off and delivered to the kidnappers, the Russian hostage was released a few days later unharmed. no other Russian was kidnapped after that. like they say, you play with fire, u are gonna get burned.
semp
Oh wow, that really makes me respect those particular badass Russians so much. That guy's uncle must have had oh-so-much responsibility for what his nephew did.
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What's so difficult about carting them home and prosecuting them...?
(http://focusontherainbowopine.outloudblogs.com/files/2010/04/head-up-ass.jpg)
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Jappa52
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Just saying ;)
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just saying....... what exactly?
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Having your location set to 'My own smoldering crater' could be seen as being roughly equal to that picture you posted :P
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:devil devils advocate here :devil
alot of these pirates are displaced fishermen due to the fouling of waters from the international oil business...
just saying...
I would offer them a smoke n a beer :aok
and then duct tape them together 2 by 2 and toss um over the side.
at this time it would be great to enjoy a beer and a smoke and watch the show :neener:
now does this not sound like a ton o fun or what..... :rock
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/piracy/7713375/Somali-pirates-captured-and-released-by-Russian-navy-have-died.html
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The foreign fishers pretty much abandoned the place once it became too dangerous to operate.
as I understand it the illegal fishing and waste dumping is still going on, despite the ransoms it still makes economic sense, especially the dumping. I saw a report about a month ago from somalia and amazingly you could see a spanish and an asian vessel operating within plain view of the shore ...
edit: have the pirates actually killed anyone yet?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/piracy/7713375/Somali-pirates-captured-and-released-by-Russian-navy-have-died.html
"no details were given as to the manner in which they lost their lives"????
I don't know for sure but i imagine 7.62x39 may have played a part :D
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In Russia when you are making a phone call, does the operator ask you to press 1 for Russian?
:huh
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In Russia when you are making a phone call, does the operator ask you to press 1 for Russian?
:huh
Nah it says press 1 if you want party to monitor your calls, press 2 if you want 10 to life in Siberia.
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"no details were given as to the manner in which they lost their lives"????
I don't know for sure but i imagine 7.62x39 may have played a part :D
It's been 5.45x39 since 1974.
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It's been 5.45x39 since 1974.
I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know
Just as i knew someone would pick me up on it, maybe the guy who shot them was a traditionalist?
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I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know
Just as i knew someone would pick me up on it, maybe the guy who shot them was a traditionalist?
One of the nastiest characters of average Russian is brutality. Don't even argue with me, I've lived there for 10 years. So even if they didn't kill them, you can rest assure that pirates got severe beating of a lifetime, its not "humane" American beating when fight is over when someone is knocked out, its a beating when they purposely do not knock you out.
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One of the nastiest characters of average Russian is brutality. Don't even argue with me, I've lived there for 10 years. So even if they didn't kill them, you can rest assure that pirates got severe beating of a lifetime, its not "humane" American beating when fight is over when someone is knocked out, its a beating when they purposely do not knock you out.
Who's arguing, brutal buggers, US are pretty brutal too, doubt there are many punch ups there without unconscious guys getting their head stamped on, or guns being produced, British are fairly vile in this regard aswell with striping using carpet knives commonplace, and gangs knocking people down and then dancing on their head till their brains are mush.
In truth I think its humans that are the brutal b"*&£rds, but I agree, some countries have a prepencity for it
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How about making them live targets for our new soldiers? It would eliminate the need of the shock of killing someone for the first time being in battle. Using human targets would also be more realistic, as they would try to get away from the bullets.
Also, they could be used as disposable hand-to-hand combat dummies. They would stand there, and the soldier would bayonet, knife, or simply club or choke them to death. Ah Sparta, you always gave us the best training techniques!
-Penguin
-Penguin
Well, stupidity strikes! Hopefully you're being sarcastic, if not, I hope you're the first in line for this "training" exercise, and i don't mean as the shooter but as the target.
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Man! Thank goodness they killed them! Why, can you imagine if they had waterboarded those poor souls!?!? :rolleyes:
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Man! Thank goodness they killed them! Why, can you imagine if they had waterboarded those poor souls!?!? :rolleyes:
At least they were guilty beyond any reasonable doubt and there was no need (to force) to confess anything.
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Who's arguing, brutal buggers, US are pretty brutal too, doubt there are many punch ups there without unconscious guys getting their head stamped on, or guns being produced, British are fairly vile in this regard aswell with striping using carpet knives commonplace, and gangs knocking people down and then dancing on their head till their brains are mush.
In truth I think its humans that are the brutal b"*&£rds, but I agree, some countries have a prepencity for it
I guess they didn't discover that screwdriver can be just as efficient and its not illegal to carry it.
Found this few minutes ago.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/N22/CEAC7A9E-C5F7-4D06-9E73-3EB0C56392B.jpg)
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I guess they didn't discover that screwdriver can be just as efficient and its not illegal to carry it.
Found this few minutes ago.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/N22/CEAC7A9E-C5F7-4D06-9E73-3EB0C56392B.jpg)
Anything can be illegal to carry (uk law anyway), screwdriver is no different. The limitations on carry apply to intent. A pair of gloves and a hat are pretty innocuous until you're out to burgle a house, then you are guilty of 'going equipped' an arrestable offence, if you intended to use the items in the commission of an offence.
A screwdriver is no more legal to carry than a Survival Knife, if you're in a nightclub with a 4'' screwdriver, then the court can draw proper inference that you were not there to fix the door handle.
If you are walking home back from a week in the sticks, with a 9'' hunting knife, then it can be successfully argued that you have reasonable excuse to carry it.
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From the last article posted
"It would have been more humane to have hung them up from the yardarm," a rights activist, whose name was not given, told the Kommersant daily at the weekend.
Yep it would have been more humane but it wouldn't have sent the same message as setting them adrift would have with bullet holes and no medical equipment does or beat senseless and left to die from exposure.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/piracy/7713375/Somali-pirates-captured-and-released-by-Russian-navy-have-died.html
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Anything can be illegal to carry (uk law anyway), screwdriver is no different. The limitations on carry apply to intent. A pair of gloves and a hat are pretty innocuous until you're out to burgle a house, then you are guilty of 'going equipped' an arrestable offence, if you intended to use the items in the commission of an offence.
A screwdriver is no more legal to carry than a Survival Knife, if you're in a nightclub with a 4'' screwdriver, then the court can draw proper inference that you were not there to fix the door handle.
If you are walking home back from a week in the sticks, with a 9'' hunting knife, then it can be successfully argued that you have reasonable excuse to carry it.
You guys dont have face control in nightclubs?
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Found this video with Russian capturing other pirate boat Somalian/Pakistan/Iran. Found two boarding devices and bunch of firearms.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=040_1273842916 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=040_1273842916)