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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: dirt911 on May 07, 2010, 06:19:33 PM
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P-51B i know its a rare plane in AH However i do fly it allot seems to fit the game well in MW and LW.Although i have a question about it which engine is the 51B running in AH?
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Merlin
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The B is more popular than you might think in the LW MA. As of today, it had a k/d ratio of 1.06, that's not bad.
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Hmm seems fair enough but thought the 51B in ah was running Allison.
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Hmm seems fair enough but thought the 51B in ah was running Allison.
No P-51B ever had an Allison. AH has never had a P-51 powered by an Allison. I assumed your question in the OP was about which specific model of Packard Merlin it was using, and that I do not know.
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Merlin
60 series
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Most pilots in world war 2 liked the B version of the mustang over the D version, reasons why i don't know. my guess would be because it handled better. :)
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IIRC B runs a Merlin 61, D runs 66. :salute
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60 series
No, that is a Rolls-Royce number series.
IIRC B runs a Merlin 61, D runs 66. :salute
The in AH Spitfire Mk IX has a Merlin 61 and the the Spitfire Mk VIII has a Merlin 66, the P-51s both have American built Packard Merlins, not Rolls-Royce Merlins. The 60 series is a Rolls-Royce series. Further, the Merlin 66 is optimized for mid and low altitudes, well below the P-51B or D's best alt.
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P51A
Allison V-1710-81
1,200 hp, 12 cylinder V engine.
P51B
Packard Merlin V-1650-3/7
1,380/1,420 hp, two-staged supercharged, 12 cyl. V engine.
P51D
Packard Merlin V-1650-7
1,695 hp, two-staged supercharged, 12 cyl. V engine.
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It's not so bad. Who was the USN pilot that responded to other pilots wanting more guns on the wildcats with "If you can't hit with 4, you can't hit with 6"
I've landed 7 kills in a B-pony in a single dogfight (no hotpad, not multiple fights, all one furball), so it's quite capable. I just wish all the ammo ran out at the same time like the FM-2.
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The R-R designations for the P-M were 68 for the V-1650-3 and 69 for the V-1650-7.
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P51A
Allison V-1710-81
1,200 hp, 12 cylinder V engine.
P51B
Packard Merlin V-1650-3/7
1,380/1,420 hp, two-staged supercharged, 12 cyl. V engine.
P51D
Packard Merlin V-1650-7
1,695 hp, two-staged supercharged, 12 cyl. V engine.
Looks accurate but it raises another question,Where is the 51C,51A
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Check this out,its a very interesting link.
http://www.mustangsmustangs.us/p-51/p51variants/P-51H.php
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Looks accurate but it raises another question,Where is the 51C,51A
What do you mean, "where"?
P-51A is right there. P-51C is a P-51B built in Dallas instead of Inglewood, CA.
wrongway
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No, that is a Rolls-Royce number series.
and the 1650-3 is eqivalent to the Merlin 60 series. :old:
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What do you mean, "where"?
P-51A is right there. P-51C is a P-51B built in Dallas instead of Inglewood, CA.
wrongway
And, the P-51K is a P-51D built in Dallas instead of Inglewood, CA.
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and the 1650-3 is eqivalent to the Merlin 60 series. :old:
I am not as familiar with the Packard Merlins, but I know that they don't match exactly. The Merlin 266 is the Packard version of the Rolls-Royce Merlin 66, but the critical altitudes are 1000ft higher for the 266 than the 66.
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also B models can run away 3mp faster at alt. :lol
runstang :devil
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but I know that they don't match exactly.
:huh
DUH!
equivilent, Equivalent, EQUIVALENT!!!
do you know what that word means!
dang RIGHT you dont know much about Packard Merlins :headscratch:
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:huh
DUH!
equivilent, Equivalent, EQUIVALENT!!!
do you know what that word means!
dang RIGHT you dont know much about Packard Merlins :headscratch:
My point is that his statement that the P-51B uses a Merlin 61 and the P-51D uses Merlin 66 was flat wrong. Even your initial statement that they were 60 series was wrong.
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And, the P-51K is a P-51D built in Dallas instead of Inglewood, CA.
N0 why hasnt it been introduced to Ah yet.
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It has been.
You can go find it under "P-51D" in the hangar.
:rolleyes:
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It has been.
You can go find it under "P-51D" in the hangar.
:rolleyes:
Omg really,i asked Why hasnt 51A and C been introduced.
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P-51A has not been introduced, just as many other aircraft have not, due to other priorities.
P-51B is the same as P-51C, just built in different locations.
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P-51A has not been introduced, just as many other aircraft have not, due to other priorities.
P-51B is the same as P-51C, just built in different locations.
That cant be right.
P-51C
Packard Merlin,V-1650-7,1,490 hp,Two stage supercharged
P-51B
Packard Merlin V-1650-3/7,1380 hp.or 1,420hp Two stage supercharged.
All in total they travel almost same speed but.Just would be nice to intro all 51's to AH.
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1420 hp to 1490 hp is .05 of 1 percent difference.
Sometimes engines are listed as different hp even though they are the same engine as in the case of the sources for the V-1650-7 that you listed. The B/C Mustang was the same a/c. One was built in Dallas and one was built in Inglewood, as the previous poster indicated. For all intent and purpose they were the same a/c.
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You can find either with either engine as I understand it. The only difference is point of manufacture.
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Gotta remember that engine hp is a loose term. Even auto engine hp in the 60's could vary considerably depending who did the calcs.
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It's amazing to me that folks want to come in and argue with things that just aren't that hard to confirm though a little research of their own. The recent batch of P51B vs P51C threads being a good indicator.
P51B-Inglewood,California. P51C-Dallas,Texas.
Heaven help you guys when you get around to the folks who manufactured Corsairs under license, or any of the other birds that were built by different companies. Give me a TBF! We only have the TBM! Where's my FG1-D! We only have the F4U1-D! I want a Vega built B17! Ours is Boeing!
It's enough to make ya weep. :cry
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All in total they travel almost same speed but.Just would be nice to intro all 51's to AH.
Would be even nicer to get a German heavy bomber, at least 1 Russian bomber, Any sort of additional Italian air craft, Japanese light bomber, float planes, remodeled aestetics, and so many other things i cant think of right now...
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That cant be right.
P-51C
Packard Merlin,V-1650-7,1,490 hp,Two stage supercharged
P-51B
Packard Merlin V-1650-3/7,1380 hp.or 1,420hp Two stage supercharged.
All in total they travel almost same speed but.Just would be nice to intro all 51's to AH.
With the introduction of the P-51C-5-NT onto the Dallas production line and the P-51B-15-NA in the Inglewood production line, the Packard V-1560-7 engine was adopted as standard.
Serial numbers of P-51Bs:
43-12093/12492 North American P-51B-1-NA Mustang (NA-102) c/n 102024541/24940. 400 aircraft
43-6313/7112 North American P-51B-5-NA Mustang (NA-104) c/n 104-22816/23305, 24431/24540, 24941/25140. 800 aircraft
43-7113/7202 North American P-51B-10-NA Mustang (NA-104) c/n 104-25141/25230. 90 aircraft
42-106429/106540 North American P-51B-10-NA Mustang (NA-104) c/n 104-25231/25342. 112 aircraft
42-106541/106738 North American P-51B-10-NA Mustang (NA-104) c/n 104-25343/25540. 198 aircraft
42-106739/106978 North American P-51B-15-NA Mustang (NA-104) c/n 104-25541/25780. 240 aircraft
43-24752/24901 North American P-51B-15-NA Mustang (NA-104) c/n 104-25781/25930. 150 aircraft
total of 1990 P-51Bs
Serial numbers of P-51Cs:
42-102979/103328 North American P-51C-1-NT Mustang (NA-103) c/n 103-22416/22765. 350 aircraft
42-103329/103778 North American P-51C-5-NT Mustang (NA-103) c/n 103-22766/22815, 03-25933/26332. 450 aircraft
42-103779/103978 North American P-51C-10-NT Mustang (NA-103) c/n 103-26333/26532. 200 aircraft
43-24902/25251 North American P-51C-10-NT Mustang (NA-103) c/n 103-26533/26882. 350 aircraft
44-10753/10782 North American P-51C-10-NT Mustang (NA-111) c/n 111-28886/28915. 30 aircraft
44-10783/10817 North American P-51C-11-NT Mustang (NA-111) c/n 111-28916/28950. 35 aircraft
44-10818/10852 North American P-51C-10-NT Mustang (NA-111) c/n 111-28951/28985. 35 aircraft
44-10853/10858 North American P-51C-11-NT Mustang (NA-111) c/n 111-28986/28991. 6 aircraft
44-10859/11036 North American P-51C-10-NT Mustang (NA-111) c/n 111-28992/29169. 178 aircraft
44-11037/11122 North American P-51C-11-NT Mustang (NA-111) c/n 111-29170/29255. 86 aircraft
44-11123/11152 North American P-51C-10-NT Mustang (NA-111) c/n 111-29256/29285. 30 aircraft
total of 1750 aircraft
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That cant be right.
P-51C
Packard Merlin,V-1650-7,1,490 hp,Two stage supercharged
P-51B
Packard Merlin V-1650-3/7,1380 hp.or 1,420hp Two stage supercharged.
All in total they travel almost same speed but.Just would be nice to intro all 51's to AH.
the only significant differenc between the B and the C model was where they were made. We already went through this on another thread. It would be a waste of development resources to make a C when the B is essentially the same aircraft with the same performance. If you want to fly a C, up a B and pretend its a C model.
ack-ack
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up a B and pretend its a C model.
ack-ack
do this AND change the skin to silver!!!
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:lol thank goodness Dirt ain't a Spitfire fan or he'd be really confused.
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do this AND change the skin to silver!!!
It looks best with a silver skin anyway :lol.