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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hap on May 09, 2010, 11:43:58 AM
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http://chicagopressrelease.com/news/woman-jailed-because-judge-found-t-shirt-offensive
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Can a judge do that? Is inapropriate jail worthy? Can u sue a judge? :huh
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Whatever happened to wearing professional dress in court appearances? I'm surprised the judge didn't fine her.
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Putting that airhead in jail didnt teach her anything.
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Putting that airhead in jail didnt teach her anything.
Sorry, but unless she was making a seine there was no reason to put her in jail. She should have been escorted out of the courtroom at the most.
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See Rule #14
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to quote her "...inappropriate if she had been the defendant."
I have to agree with her, she's not the one in front of the judge.
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But at the same time text doesn't show emotions. If she just said that in a calm voice then yes over the top, but I'm willing to bet she coped an attitude and starting being rude. Because I just cant see someone being thrown in jail just for wearing a tshirt.
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http://chicagopressrelease.com/news/woman-jailed-because-judge-found-t-shirt-offensive
the girl was wrong to wear that in the courtroom....but the judge was also wrong to jail, or otherwise punish her for it.
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Maybe we're not getting the whole story but in Court, the Judge is King.
yup yup.
The girl should have apologized profusely to the judge, and I mean REALLY sucked up to 'em.
It is always a good policy to treat a judge in their own court room like you would royalty.
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Anyone that stupid should be thrown in jail just for being.....well.....STUPID. I guess going to the restroom and turning the shirt inside out was too much for the brain to process at the time. :rolleyes:
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Anyone that stupid should be thrown in jail just for being.....well.....STUPID. I guess going to the restroom and turning the shirt inside out was too much for the brain to process at the time. :rolleyes:
it would depend. was there a dress code for that courtroom? i know some don't. if there wasn't one, then regardless of what her shirt said, no one has the right to tell her she can't wear it.
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Come on Cap! Did you read what was said to be on the shirt? It was offensive to be wearing in public, much less a court of law. I'd bet my wifes paycheck you won't wear that shirt to court.
There's something called "common sense", and she has none.
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It's a court room not a bar, dress like it. If she any common scene or class she wouldn't have worn that.
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See Rule #14
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Today's 19 year olds in this country & common sense do not a combo make. I'm only in my early 30s and I'm disgusted with the lack of manners, civility & respect that the "new" America shows daily. Still, I do not believe the judge had legal right to do this. I'm no lawyer, only guessing. I'm sure many a ambulance chaser is calling her up right now with promises to make her rich with a civil suit. Handcuffing the two together for 72 hours sounds fair to me for both.
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She didn't wear it to court she wore to the gym then took a friend to court doesn't seem like she pulled it out of the dresser and said "I think I'll where this to court today." Maybe the judge was post menopausle.
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
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She didn't wear it to court she wore to the gym then took a friend to court doesn't seem like she pulled it out of the dresser and said "I think I'll where this to court today." Maybe the judge was post menopausle.
She showed up in the courtroom wearing this shirt. Therefore she wore the shirt to court :rolleyes: She should have sat outside the courtroom. She was not required to be in the courtroom. It was her choice to enter it.
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Again fellas....common sense. Freedom of speech does not permit you to yell fire in a crowded theater does it?
True the judge was harsh on her. If it were me, I'd have her escorted out of the room, not jailed. But the point is, show some respect in a court of law. For if you don't you may go to jail.
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for wearing a T-shirt that read: “I have the p—-, so I make the rules.”
I don't get it. She was thrown in jail because the writing said she had a p----, but was found to be lying? It is inappropriate to make false statements in court.
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Again fellas....common sense. Freedom of speech does not permit you to yell fire in a crowded theater does it?
True the judge was harsh on her. If it were me, I'd have her escorted out of the room, not jailed. But the point is, show some respect in a court of law. For if you don't you may go to jail.
yelling fire is different dude.
put it this way.
had she been jailed for wearing a shirt with a picture of a 357, would that ba acceptable?
or one with a dirty harry saying? like the "do ya feel lucky punk?" one?
like i said.....she was wrong...but the judge had no right to do anything more than have her removed.
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I'm wondering if we're hearing the whole story here. Surely the judge just didn't point her out and say, "your going to jail". I wonder if the girl got lippy with the judge to piss her off enough to warrant a visit to the pokie. This does bring up an interesting civil rights question.
I'd like to see if this is followed though by the courts.
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I'm wondering if we're hearing the whole story here. Surely the judge just didn't point her out and say, "your going to jail". I wonder if the girl got lippy with the judge to piss her off enough to warrant a visit to the pokie. This does bring up an interesting civil rights question.
I'd like to see if this is followed though by the courts.
Well, 19, has a attitude, and have no respect for what the judge wqas trying to point out. Yea, i wouldn't pass it if she said something that cross the line to get her in jail.
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so typical of what America is becoming.
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so typical of what America is becoming.
Slaves to other counties, just don't know it yet.
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it reminds me of of here in california if you show up with shorts and t shirts to court, they will make you wait outside of the courtroom and if the judge feels like it he might let them in the court after he's done with everybody else.
semp
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IMHO, the right thing to do would have been to get her out of the courtroom. Off you go.
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she was jailed and then released? What crime was she charged with? Contempt of court is a misapplication of the power of the court.
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it reminds me of of here in california if you show up with shorts and t shirts to court, they will make you wait outside of the courtroom and if the judge feels like it he might let them in the court after he's done with everybody else.
semp
now that's reasonable, assuming that there is a stated or posted dress code to enforce.
i've shown up to court in everythign from a suit(friggin HATE wearin suits) to by filthy greasy work clothes(and i think a little smelly too, as it was hot that day). only thing ever said to me was to remove my hat....which i had forgotten i even had on.
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See Rule #6
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Has anyone ever been to... The Village of Round Lake Park, "The Community With a Heart"?
I for one, do not see why this was news worthy.
What would Judge Judy do? :bolt:
What I want to know... is there really a train engine on the bottom of "Round Lake"?
Jus' askin'
X :salute
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hmm that judge should be Obama's pick to the supreme court. :aok
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Today's 19 year olds in this country & common sense do not a combo make.
That about wraps it all up........ :aok
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It's not just this time and place, 19 year olds were always as crazy as they are today! If we're going to rag on humanity, let's get all of it!
-Penguin
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I photographed a girl in Vegas with that very shirt this weekend!
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It's not just this time and place, 19 year olds were always as crazy as they are today! If we're going to rag on humanity, let's get all of it!
-Penguin
actually, when i was 19, if i had dared to wear something like that.....my grand pop woulda beaten the ever lovin poop outta me.
i somehow suspect i'm not the only one.
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actually, when i was 19, if i had dared to wear something like that.....my grand pop woulda beaten the ever lovin poop outta me.
i somehow suspect i'm not the only one.
Perhaps, but there will always be wild ones, no matter how hard you try.
-Penguin
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Perhaps, but there will always be wild ones, no matter how hard you try.
-Penguin
i know that.
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i know that.
Looks like you're still pretty wild yourself. :neener:
-Penguin
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Looks like you're still pretty wild yourself. :neener:
-Penguin
lolol :rofl
well......i'm by no means an angel.......but i'm much smarter about picking my times to be an ass......and about picking my battles. :noid :aok
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No wonder the judge tossed her behind bars have you seen her? AIIIEEEE my eyes!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/07/jennifer-lapenta-girl-jai_n_567751.html
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No wonder the judge tossed her behind bars have you seen her? AIIIEEEE my eyes!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/07/jennifer-lapenta-girl-jai_n_567751.html
i hope you're joking. :noid
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Im joking that it was ugliness that got her thrown in jail. If you know anything about this judge you would understand. The girl was being ugly with her choice of free speech. Offending the public at large through visual assault is another thing. At a distance you cannot see the 'I have the' or the 'so I make the' parts. So what you get is 'P**** Rules.' Thats pretty ugly and I think that what got her confined was not the tshirt but the way she responded (not the words she used but how she used them) when the judge asked her about it.
Pretty much I think she deserved it and I dont think her lawsuit will get anywhere. And no she is not pretty.
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Im joking that it was ugliness that got her thrown in jail. If you know anything about this judge you would understand. The girl was being ugly with her choice of free speech. Offending the public at large through visual assault is another thing. At a distance you cannot see the 'I have the' or the 'so I make the' parts. So what you get is 'P**** Rules.' Thats pretty ugly and I think that what got her confined was not the tshirt but the way she responded (not the words she used but how she used them) when the judge asked her about it.
Pretty much I think she deserved it and I dont think her lawsuit will get anywhere. And no she is not pretty.
it seemed that she wasn't given a chance to turn the shirt inside out...or explain anything.
maybe she threw attitude. but as long as she wasn't inciting violence, or a riot, or threatening anyone, she was within her rights to wear that shirt.
she was by no means right.....but she was within them.
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See Rule #14
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"LaPenta said she told the judge that it would have been inappropriate if she had been the defendant." Realize now that she is talking to a Judge and that in the court room the Judge is the ultimate authority. It is immediately obvious that LaPenta isnt shooting square with the media in what she is saying happened (or possibly the media is panning her tale to make the most of the story).
Yes she mouthed off alright and she got what she deserved. Dont fool yourselves into thinking otherwise.
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Always gotta be careful when entering a courtroom.
Inside a courtroom judges are the next thing to a god. because there...they are.
I've seen them run the full range. From friendly and tolerant to damn near rabid. I knew of one judge whom when he passed away even some cops celebrated because he was such a jerk_ .
And woe be unto you if you if you piss off the latter variety when they are in a bad mood. They can find all sorts of things to drain your bank account for.
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informing anyone of one simple fact is not "mouthing off". now had she said it with attitude......different story. even then, a warning to "shut it" would've been in order first.
no way this judge is right.
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It's the Judge's courtroom, period end of story. If the Judge is offended, you have offended the court. The building is just the setting, the judge IS the court. If you enter the courtroom and official work place of the Judge you should be aware, defendant, witness or observer, that you dress and act appropriately. She obviously knew it was inappropriate when questioned by the judge. Had she simply said yes your honor but it was not my intent to offend and offer to leave he likely would have let her go. She should have stayed outside the actual court and waited for her friend. A moments lack of thought brought her the hassle. I understand she had no intention of going to the court that day when she dressed but she really should have remained outside.
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No wonder the judge tossed her behind bars have you seen her? AIIIEEEE my eyes!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/07/jennifer-lapenta-girl-jai_n_567751.html
(http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd329/TwizztyAH/169592.jpg)
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It's the Judge's courtroom, period end of story. If the Judge is offended, you have offended the court. The building is just the setting, the judge IS the court. If you enter the courtroom and official work place of the Judge you should be aware, defendant, witness or observer, that you dress and act appropriately. She obviously knew it was inappropriate when questioned by the judge. Had she simply said yes your honor but it was not my intent to offend and offer to leave he likely would have let her go. She should have stayed outside the actual court and waited for her friend. A moments lack of thought brought her the hassle. I understand she had no intention of going to the court that day when she dressed but she really should have remained outside.
+1, all of it. :aok
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Direct contempt is that which occurs in the presence of the presiding judge (in facie curiae) and may be dealt with summarily: the judge notifies the offending party that he or she has acted in a manner which disrupts the tribunal and prejudices the administration of justice. After giving the person the opportunity to respond, the judge may impose the sanction immediately.
It should be noted that in civil contempt cases there is no principle of proportionality. In Chadwick v. Janecka (3d Cir. 2002), a US court of appeals held that H. Beatty Chadwick could be held indefinitely under federal law, for his fauilure to produce US$ 2.5 mill. as state court ordered in a civil trial.
Chadwick had been imprisoned for nine years at that time and continued to be held in prison until 2009, when a state court set him free after 14 years, making him the person longest ever imprisoned on a contempt charge.
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informing anyone of one simple fact is not "mouthing off". now had she said it with attitude......different story. even then, a warning to "shut it" would've been in order first.
no way this judge is right.
'Right' is not the correct word. The judge is always right. I know alot of people think everything has to be fair. Well that has never been true in a court room.
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See Rule #14
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'Right' is not the correct word. The judge is always right. I know alot of people think everything has to be fair. Well that has never been true in a court room.
no, no they're not.
at that instant she may have been.....but it will more than likely be shown that she showed poor judgment(no pun intended), unless the girl gave her SERIOUS attitude.
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You gotta read some of these - a lot of these Judges are very funny, dealing with the "citizens" can be very trying lol
http://www.ontherecordincookcounty.com/ (http://www.ontherecordincookcounty.com/)
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I doubt we are getting the whole story here. The title of the article is almost guaranteed to get people's attention, and there is no mention of witnesses, so some reporter saw a story and ran with it.
I'd be interested to hear accounts of those who were there, not just the judge and this woman.
Seems a lot of people are quick to condemn the judge (also female from the article) for overstepping her authority. I disagree. The courtroom is a judge's workplace, her place of business. Wearing inappropriate attire into said workplace is almost guaranteed to draw negative attention, and just from the pic of the supposed victim, she doesn't appear to be someone who recognizes boundaries, nor does she appear to be one who knows when to keep her mouth shut and show proper respect.
A person's choice of clothing oftentimes reflects their own personal attitude. Given the words on the shirt, what kind of attitude do you really suppose she had? Poor choice of attire, and to wear it into a female judge's courtroom.......poor judgment, IMHO. Females clash over seemingly trivial things, but they do clash, and when you have a female judge, a professional woman, having to deal with another woman who is wearing a shirt with a saying on it that is potentially offensive and disrespectful to both genders.....one can only imagine what was really said and how the young woman reacted and what she really said and in what manner.
Wait a while, folks........this one will play out, more info will be coming. Save your condemnation of the judge til we know everything that was said by both parties.
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(http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd329/TwizztyAH/169592.jpg)
:rofl
Good one Twizzty! :lol
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from the comments
Apparently she, in fact, does not make the rules.
:lol
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Main Entry: con·tempt
Pronunciation: \kən-ˈtem(p)t\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin contemptus, from contemnere
Date: 14th century
1 a : the act of despising : the state of mind of one who despises : disdain b : lack of respect or reverence for something
2 : the state of being despised
3 : willful disobedience to or open disrespect of a court, judge, or legislative body <contempt of court>
Pretty much, if you disrespect or piss off a Judge, in their own courtroom for ANY reason. You can be held in contempt.
This applies to Plaintiff, Defendant, Counselors, Bailiff, Jury Members, family members, folks in the gallery, a fly on the wall, or a mouse in the corner.
Anyone within the four walls of the courtroom is expected to act and dress with a reasonable expectation of decorum.
Period.
There is no "degree" of contempt.
If you piss off the judge, you are finished.
1st amendment rights end at the threshold of the door in a courtroom, and the procedures of the law take over. It is not a forum for demonstrating one's political views, personal preferences, or to make a statement of preference.
The courtroom is a place of fact finding, display of evidence, and decision making about what laws, if any, have been broken.
It is a place where you speak only when spoken to , and you convey an air of respect for the members of the court.
One gets a Judge pissed-off in their own courtroom at one's own peril and is subject to whatever decision the Judge feels like making.
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If you piss off the judge, you are finished.
Sometimes, folks say things just right.