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Title: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: dhyran on May 11, 2010, 02:10:59 AM
hiho Gents

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Salute!
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: Ghostbuster on May 11, 2010, 03:42:31 AM
I'll man a position.
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: KooLBreZ on May 11, 2010, 06:57:45 AM
Schweinfurt was very interesting. I was stationed there in 2000. The old timers say when they came to bomb the Faag ball bearing industry they would flood the city to throw off the terrain view from the  bombers.
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: thndregg on May 11, 2010, 07:25:57 AM
3pm EST (1pm MST here) grrr.. :mad: I gotta work.
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: dhyran on May 11, 2010, 07:42:44 AM
3pm EST (1pm MST here) grrr.. :mad: I gotta work.

on Sunday?
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: thndregg on May 11, 2010, 08:32:23 AM
on Sunday?

I must have gotten my dates screwed up (while just starting on my first cup of coffee) :rolleyes: :o I'll try to be there.
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: Seadog36 on May 11, 2010, 08:45:53 AM
Schweinfurt was very interesting. I was stationed there in 2000. The old timers say when they came to bomb the Faag ball bearing industry they would flood the city to throw off the terrain view from the  bombers.

Thats pretty clever, probably burn less when flooded. Keeps the dust down too... :lol
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: thndregg on May 11, 2010, 10:57:21 PM
A couple of excerpts about the Schweinfurt raid from a book I bought: The Ragged Irregulars of Bassingbourn

"The 91st Bomb Group had twenty-four B-17's airborne after 1100 hours. Eighteen aircraft made up the 91st formation and an additional six aircraft were flying with the 101st Composite Group. Weather was good at Bassingbourn when the bombers got underway but as they crossed over onto the Continent they picked up a cloud base above them ranging from 17,000 to 21,000 feet. Rather than have the Task Force climb up through the overcast, Colonel Gross chose to have the formation remain below the clouds, which showed the Fortresses up beautifully and made them easily visible for fifty miles. The clouds also provided cover for the Luftwaffe attacks which would commence shortly."

"Fighter attacks began over Antwerp, Belgium. There was to have been fighter escort up to this point but the 4th Fighter Group failed to make the rendezvous. It was later determined that the Thunderebolts were looking for their charges up high and the bombers were down below the cloud cover."

Looking forward to an intense firefight. :cool:
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: Ghostbuster on May 12, 2010, 02:30:17 AM
Antwerp Belgium

Belgium (my home country) gets mentioned allot in story's.
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: Have on May 12, 2010, 05:15:59 AM
It is going to be a real blast to fly in this event! You do not want to miss this one!

The allied bombers will need solid team work and discipline to make it through the axis defenders. The same goes for the axis too, since they will be heavily outnumbered. The side split is 70/30 in favor of the allied bombers, who will be flying unescorted.

That means that with 100 players, we will have 30 axis interceptor pilots flying against 70 bomber pilots who with formations total out 210 bombers. That is a serious challenge for both sides  :aok
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: thndregg on May 12, 2010, 07:54:36 AM
It is going to be a real blast to fly in this event! You do not want to miss this one!

The allied bombers will need solid team work and discipline to make it through the axis defenders. The same goes for the axis too, since they will be heavily outnumbered. The side split is 70/30 in favor of the allied bombers, who will be flying unescorted.

That means that with 100 players, we will have 30 axis interceptor pilots flying against 70 bomber pilots who with formations total out 210 bombers. That is a serious challenge for both sides  :aok

Idiot question, since I rarely get in on this stuff: How will the leader position(s) be organized for the allies? Currently in the MA, I head up the 91st.
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: Ghostbuster on May 12, 2010, 08:50:30 AM
Axis are reading here aswell...
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: Have on May 12, 2010, 10:38:50 AM
Idiot question, since I rarely get in on this stuff: How will the leader position(s) be organized for the allies? Currently in the MA, I head up the 91st.

Dhyran from the Loose Deuce squad has volunteered to be the allied CO in the whole three frames of this SEC event. If you are interested in leading a bomber unit in frame 2, please contact dhyran.

Currently the axis do not have a dedicated CO. If anyone is interested in that position, please contact me. The axis fighter pilots would greatly benefit from a skilled leader coordinating their attacks.

Frame 2 will be played on the 16th May (next sunday) 3PM EST and in the Special Events Arena 2. Everybody are welcome!
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: Have on May 12, 2010, 10:44:30 AM
Here are some comments from the participants a year ago when this setup and frame was last played:

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One of the most intense so far IMO.

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I will have to say that was one of the best bomber type raids i have been on.

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This was a great frame!
I was amazed at the group formation and communications that we had in Brooke's group.  Those poor Krauts didn't stand a chance against us!  Was like being in the move "12 o'clock high"!

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I had a very action packed frame, one of the funnest bombing missions I've flown in a long time too.  


Check out the thread from here, there are some nice pictures there too!
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,260806.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,260806.0.html)


Remember SEC on Sunday - The Schweinfurt Raid!





Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: CAP1 on May 12, 2010, 01:21:38 PM
Schweinfurt was very interesting. I was stationed there in 2000. The old timers say when they came to bomb the Faag ball bearing industry they would flood the city to throw off the terrain view from the  bombers.

i read a book called combat crew.

they always hated the schweinfurt runs.
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: thndregg on May 14, 2010, 11:18:51 PM
I am most definitely looking forward to this mission. I'm hoping for a good turnout. :cool: As it stands, I have 91st Bomb Group members interested.
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: thndregg on May 16, 2010, 04:22:54 PM
Thank you, Have, for hosting the Schweinfurt Raid. That was fun as hell. :) Anyone have any screenies/films of the action? Looking forward to doing this again. <S>
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: Have on May 20, 2010, 02:41:40 AM
Thank you, Have, for hosting the Schweinfurt Raid. That was fun as hell. :) Anyone have any screenies/films of the action? Looking forward to doing this again. <S>

Frame 3 is on next Sunday, I hope to see you guys again there  :aok
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: Ghostbuster on May 20, 2010, 06:22:21 AM
Thank you, Have, for hosting the Schweinfurt Raid. That was fun as hell. :) Anyone have any screenies/films of the action? Looking forward to doing this again. <S>

I have a film of the run made by Loose Deuce if you want that one...
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: dhyran on May 20, 2010, 06:34:02 AM
hey Gents,

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Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: Have on May 21, 2010, 01:52:12 AM
This is the setup in frame 3 next Sunday, 3PM EST at Special Events Arena 2.

(http://ahevents.org/images/stories/SEC_images/SEC6PreludeToOverlord/b-24-liberator-2.jpg)


Allies
Bishops, 60% of participants
B-24J
P-51B/D
P-47D-25
P-38L/J

Orders:
-Airstart with formations from A70 and bomb target at sector 12.10.  (the vehicle factory)
-Land at A70

Restrictions:
-Bombers must maintain at least 10000ft (10k) altitude until they have reached the safety area, which is formed by sector columns 5,6 and half of 7 (the grey area in the map).
-All aircraft must take at least 75% fuel load
-At least two types of escort fighters must be used


Axis
Knights, 40% of participants
Me 109G6
Fw 190A5/A8
Me 110G-2

Orders:
-Takeoff fields A22 (109), A34 (110), A37 (190)
-Intercept incoming USAAF bombers and their escorts

Restrictions:
-Axis planes cannot engage bombers in sector columns 5,6 and half of 7 (see map). Violation of this rule will not be tolerated!
-All plane types must be employed



More information from here: http://ahevents.org/sunday-european-campaign-setups/daytime-operations-prelude-to-overlord.html (http://ahevents.org/sunday-european-campaign-setups/daytime-operations-prelude-to-overlord.html)

Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: dhyran on May 21, 2010, 07:14:05 AM
hope to see an AXIS co this time, axis came in real uncoordinated :devil
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: Hap on May 21, 2010, 07:15:53 AM
No air-spawn I hope and current bomb sight also.
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: kvuo75 on May 21, 2010, 08:26:53 AM
No air-spawn I hope and current bomb sight also.

aww... i like airspawn and manual calibration!   :neener:
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: Shuffler on May 21, 2010, 12:28:03 PM
Thats pretty clever, probably burn less when flooded. Keeps the dust down too... :lol

Opens up possiblity of PT boat attack :p
Title: Re: Don't miss the Schweinfurt Raids!
Post by: Brooke on May 23, 2010, 05:08:07 PM
Thanks for running this.  It was a lot of fun.