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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: TnDep on May 14, 2010, 11:21:56 PM
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Before this becomes a ho thread let me say this I personally love the fights to be clean and let acm do the talking. Most of the time I win and some I lose. Tonight I met a guy named Jumper and everytime he hoed/rammed you with his hurri 2c. If you tried to break he'd push his stick down left or right and spray. This happen on 3 consc. sorties and he hoed/rammed squaddie's as well. I had to get off to go to bed anyway but it leaves me disguested with the game. You have so many to put up a good clean fight and some that ruins the game.
Is it his $15 dollars - Yes
he can do what he wants - I know
Is he and some others destroying the game - Yes
I get my butt handed to me back some a lot in duels. Tonight me and TJ done some duels in the DA and I lost 90% of them and I love that as it helps me to learn.
I guess my point in this thread is why do some pay $15 dollars a month to up a plane to ram, then up another plane to ho/ram again. Is there a point in the game to do this if you have no concept of getting better/improving in the game. What's the reason if there is no room for improvement why would you even play?
Answer this question only and I'm going to start it off
To make me ask questions - Yes :lol
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:uhoh :huh
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Some people play this game to not have to work like a relaxation type thing. Some people it does not matter to them if they ever get better because its just a game. Different strokes for different folks.
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1.) If you repeatedly & frequently die to collisions, check your own flying. And no, this is not a flame, and I'm not being ironic I'm plain serious.
2) Due to the way the collision system works, "ramming" is not that easy. If you simply run into the enemy plane, more often than not it's only you that is taking damage.
oh and 3): Some days are really just awful. That's the way it is, some days you are really out of luck, whatever you do: Be it 3 disco in a row, 3 collisions that just happened, you run into grizz 3 times at different locations, or 3 times you see your rounds glance off that enemy tank before you die. ;)
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1.) If you repeatedly & frequently die to collisions, check your own flying. And no, this is not a flame, and I'm not being ironic I'm plain serious.
2) Due to the way the collision system works, "ramming" is not that easy. If you simply run into the enemy plane, more often than not it's only you that is taking damage.
+1
There are very few situations where a HO is unavoidable. Usually, it is a result of not spotting a HO situation soon enough and not taking the steps needed to avoid early enough. If you can see a HO coming from 2k out in any situation, you should have enough tools in the toolbox to be able to dodge it and set yourself up in a good position. The only exception to this rule is flaps out on the deck and a guy is coming dead for you. It's tough to avoid these shots but you could even say that it's your fault for finding yourself on the deck in this spot with cons bearing in.
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I think furballing with a Hurri that just turns on your nose and ho's every time should raise the likelihood of a colliison somewhat. no? Even 1-v-1.
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Most of the time I win
:banana:
I want your babies!!!!!!
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I guess my point in this thread is why do some pay $15 dollars a month to up a plane to ram, then up another plane to ho/ram again. Is there a point in the game to do this if you have no concept of getting better/improving in the game. What's the reason if there is no room for improvement why would you even play?
[/quote]I think a lot of this kind of thing comes from guys that just don't want or care to take the time to learn ACMs. And as a result they find themselves being killed by the same guys over and over, they get pissed and do anything and every thing to score a kill on these guys. They get frustrated and do it to piss you off. It's just that simple I think.
If you notice you don't ever seen these types on the boards asking questions, in the training arena, or working with someone in the DA. But they'll be the first to resort to desperate ho shots, rams and accusations of cheating. You can't let these types get to you. They're not going anywhere, sorry to say.
I can tell you one thing for sure though. Next time you own that clown, you'll be loving it. Welcome to the MA :salute
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good points to all and I see your point uptown....
Lushe let me give this example so maybe you'll understand alittle more about what I mean. Not every plane is the same and the hurri2c is the plane in question and the pilots mental state. I was coming down on the hurri from an 8 oclock position to him as he was on a squaddie. I had about 50mph more speed then him in a mossie, at 1k he breaks left into me and I know he's going to go for the ho so I go nose down to advoid. He's pulling up on the stick and pulling hard left he starts to fire and all the bullets are going way above me. At the last second he sees what I'm doing and he pushes hard on the stick downward probably getting a red screen for neg. g's and takes my wing off. He's intentionally ramming people and yes if I knew he was going to spray and pray I could have added a few other maneuvers to advoid. Continue later got to work.
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I would like to hear his side of the story, maybe he was outnumbered, maybe he was doing what he had to do to avoid the pick, maybe he was doing what he had to do to defend the base. Got film?
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I always wondered about the term "destroying the game". This would eventually lead to the game being destroyed, would it not?
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good points to all and I see your point uptown....
Lushe let me give this example so maybe you'll understand alittle more about what I mean. Not every plane is the same and the hurri2c is the plane in question and the pilots mental state. I was coming down on the hurri from an 8 oclock position to him as he was on a squaddie. I had about 50mph more speed then him in a mossie, at 1k he breaks left into me and I know he's going to go for the ho so I go nose down to advoid. He's pulling up on the stick and pulling hard left he starts to fire and all the bullets are going way above me. At the last second he sees what I'm doing and he pushes hard on the stick downward probably getting a red screen for neg. g's and takes my wing off. He's intentionally ramming people and yes if I knew he was going to spray and pray I could have added a few other maneuvers to advoid. Continue later got to work.
While no "uber pilot" myself, why would you continue with your attack if you KNOW he's coming around for the HO? At 1k out I'd have chopped my throttle and done a high yo and dropped back in on him from behind his 3-9 line. You forced a bad situation by continuing your attack in the manner you did. If you were doing the noble thing and saving your buddy, you succeeded, break high after he breaks off your buddy. If you were going balls out for the kill you screwed up and got what you deserved.
This game has turned into a game about score, kills. In the old days when it was "enthusiasts" playing it was all about the fight. You even hint at this in your original post with this line "Most of the time I win and some I lose." To me this comes across as a person whose only concern is to "win". I know you said you look for the fight, and you probably do, but your falling into the same boat of looking for the kill instead of the fight. In the instance you posted you had the upper hand and could have dictated how that fight went, but instead you pushed for the quick kill.
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Fly a zeke :aok :D corkscrew out of the HO into a sharp 180, and get on the bugger's six. make sure you have 50% fuel or less when doing so
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I guess my point in this thread is why do some pay $15 dollars a month to up a plane to ram, then up another plane to ho/ram again. Is there a point in the game to do this if you have no concept of getting better/improving in the game. What's the reason if there is no room for improvement why would you even play?[/b]
Answer this question only and I'm going to start it off
yeah if I were in your zeke bar lol I was in a mossie at the time :D
To Fugitive:
Lets stay on topic..... at the time I felt if I went up he'd had a belly shot on me. I performed the only maneuver I felt I had to avoid the ho/ram. I started this thread to get some ideas of what goes through these guys head that ho/ram every sortie nothing else. If you feel my pilot skills/acm is not up to speed I'll be glad to go to the da and listen to instruction and criticism. I'm not saying that to be sarcastic I'm always up on learning and getting better. At 14 months in with no previous experience I don't believe I'm doing to bad, won my first koth a few weeks ago and ranked 9th in the MA overall. I'm not tooting my own horn but I know the acm maneuvers and what maneuvers I can perform at all times, I might not be as good at the maneuver as some so all instruction is welcome.
I always wondered about the term "destroying the game". This would eventually lead to the game being destroyed, would it not?
If everyone got pissed at the horrorable flying/hoing/ramming and quit= htc no income=file for bankruptcy=no game=game destroyed..........long term explanation for you- thats what I mean.............again off topic
I would like to hear his side of the story, maybe he was outnumbered, maybe he was doing what he had to do to avoid the pick, maybe he was doing what he had to do to defend the base. Got film?
No I don't flatiron I don't auto record should I guess. It was at his base numbers pretty even and 1 time we were 1v1 and he done the same thing. This took place over about 5 or 6 sorties and I landed 5 kills one time, bat landed 7, most of the squad was in mossie's. I'm not saying anything bad about him or anybody else just looking for some insight on his thoughts to trying to ram every fight. But I do see your point about defending the base we weren't even working on the town just a great furball going on oh and a lot of them had more alt then us as they had a cv moving in to help out.
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I always wondered about the term "destroying the game". This would eventually lead to the game being destroyed, would it not?
Hmm, I doubt if that's the what would happen,but it still sucks to INtentionally, contINually ram people.
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yeah if I were in your zeke bar lol I was in a mossie at the time :D
To Fugitive:
Lets stay on topic.....
I thought I was on topic, you seem to have the "kill at all costs" mentality that the Hurri2 was using. You both threw everything you had at getting the kill, neither one of you went for the fight. Again while you weren't "tooting your own horn" :rolleyes: all you talked about was the kills you landed and how you are 9th on the scoreboard.
To find an answer as to "why" the hurri flew like it did I think you should look at why you fly like you do.... it seems much the same style to me. Sometime the truth hurts. I couldn't care less how high your on the scoreboard, nor how many kills you get. You asked why people go for the HO (rams are not really possible to set up, but if you HO in tight all the time your sure to get a good number of rams) and avoid fights and I gave you my opinion. If you don't like it, that's fine, but you did ask on an open forum. Sometimes your not going to get the answer you want to hear, sorry.
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What's the reason if there is no room for improvement why would you even play?
Kinda like those who fly a 51 (insert some fast bird) and will not engage unless you are already involved with somebody else....when they miss...they zoom away and run off until they have more bait to work with.
Yea, why play if you are not going to try to improve....
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I thought I was on topic, you seem to have the "kill at all costs" mentality that the Hurri2 was using. You both threw everything you had at getting the kill, neither one of you went for the fight. Again while you weren't "tooting your own horn" :rolleyes: all you talked about was the kills you landed and how you are 9th on the scoreboard.
To find an answer as to "why" the hurri flew like it did I think you should look at why you fly like you do.... it seems much the same style to me. Sometime the truth hurts. I couldn't care less how high your on the scoreboard, nor how many kills you get. You asked why people go for the HO (rams are not really possible to set up, but if you HO in tight all the time your sure to get a good number of rams) and avoid fights and I gave you my opinion. If you don't like it, that's fine, but you did ask on an open forum. Sometimes your not going to get the answer you want to hear, sorry.
Fugitive lets start at the beginning of your post.
neither one of you went for the fight....kill at all cost mentality - no sir I fly for the fight and don't care if I get killed I give it my best 3.0 k/d I don't have a 10.0 and higher. Most of the time I am lower in altitude then my opponent I don't care about staying alive forever I push the fight for the fight.
2ndly your speaking of my acm skills and I said I'd be glad to goto the da with you to learn.
3rdly how do you get this question....
I guess my point in this thread is why do some pay $15 dollars a month to up a plane to ram, then up another plane to ho/ram again. Is there a point in the game to do this if you have no concept of getting better/improving in the game. What's the reason if there is no room for improvement why would you even play?
into all the crap you were talking bout acm skills ect. I know you are like the evil queen of the forums and most of the time are off topic so I probably shouldn't even read your posts so I guess I'm done :D
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Kinda like those who fly a 51 (insert some fast bird) and will not engage unless you are already involved with somebody else....when they miss...they zoom away and run off until they have more bait to work with.
Yea, why play if you are not going to try to improve....
Yeah I know what you mean killnu and you see a lot of 47's doing that with there diving power but 1 47 driver in particular Juggler will put up a great fight and a heck of a stick. I respect guys like him as there looking for a good fight and not all about bnzing. Although I'm not a bnzer but it is a valid acm and for this topic I got to say it was well used in wwii. I just don't see the reason why people try to ho/ram you everytime there's no concept to living in your plane doing that.
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Dunno who the hurri was, but could it be possible that he's just learning the game? When I started I ran into lots of stuff.
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Dunno who the hurri was, but could it be possible that he's just learning the game? When I started I ran into lots of stuff.
i completely agree
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Dunno who the hurri was, but could it be possible that he's just learning the game? When I started I ran into lots of stuff.
Yep - could be....but maybe once again we have the flying style of one group coming into conflict with anothers group style.
Over the years I've seen as many as 3 general groups and then any number of subset combinations depending on some ones mood of the moment (I must say the 2nd group only reared it's head when I can to AH - majority of other sims play by 1 & 3)
1.Space Invaders Style - remember that old video game - Fly at em dead on - killing as many of em as ya can till you're killed. This sounds what the OP may have experienced - (there are days when after a crappy day at the office I just want get on to blow "chit" up - period - don't care if I die too)
2.CircleFight/DA - it's all about the "fight" - set rules and etiquette - this group seems to be the main one constantly upset that others are having fun but NOT playing by their rules. (I do enjoy "out dogging" 51's/38's low n slo in my A8 - sometimes hehehe)
3. Hunter/Killer style – as a true air combat simulation - FSO is where it’s at – everything else is just practice – kill the enemy 1st without endangering yourself unneedlessly- preferably without the enemy even seeing you – bring your bird home every time( it’s just on loan from the crew chief) etc etc.
Now It seems to me that there are likely a multitude of combinations of this and to be truthful…..
What’s it matter if they are having fun??
Planes are free – no one is really killed
Why demand people play YOUR way and not the way that makes them happy? …. <--this just smacks of PC conservatisim
This whole “they are not learning anything” straw man is just that – a bogus justification to hammer people for playing by a different set of reasons.
LOL – Christ on a crutch – it’s just a game – get off your high horses!! <sheesh> :banana: :banana: :banana:
…..cheers eh! :D
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Hey we were all new at one time, even I thought you had to ho in the 190d to get a kill. I was really proud of myself the first time i landed
a couple of kills. Nothing else made sense.
Anyway now I like to up a Brewster and spank the zero, and hurri guys.
It makes for quite the fight just because they can turn so well and the noob really wants a kill.
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Fugitive lets start at the beginning of your post.
neither one of you went for the fight....kill at all cost mentality - no sir I fly for the fight and don't care if I get killed I give it my best 3.0 k/d I don't have a 10.0 and higher. Most of the time I am lower in altitude then my opponent I don't care about staying alive forever I push the fight for the fight.
again with the score...who cares! Had you been going for the fight you would have avoid the HO.....seeing as you are so skilled :rolleyes:
2ndly your speaking of my acm skills and I said I'd be glad to goto the da with you to learn.
ahhh yes the old "bring to the DA" line... I forgot you have awesome skills so it isn't possible for you to have been wrong in the fight you your self brought up.
3rdly how do you get this question....
I guess my point in this thread is why do some pay $15 dollars a month to up a plane to ram, then up another plane to ho/ram again. Is there a point in the game to do this if you have no concept of getting better/improving in the game. What's the reason if there is no room for improvement why would you even play?
Your the one who said that this type of flying went on for 5 or 6 sorties. I'm not real quick on the uptake myself, but I think I would have been able to figure out the the hurri in the area I kept flying back to was going to HO/ram. My guess is your not as skilled as you think you are. You have pointed out that you pay your $15 a month then upped and got HOed and then upped again over and over doing the same thing. Why did you do that? It was pretty much the same thing the hurri was doing, except he was winning :P
into all the crap you were talking bout acm skills ect. I know you are like the evil queen of the forums and most of the time are off topic so I probably shouldn't even read your posts so I guess I'm done :D
people who call others names and post trash like this do so only because they have a problem defending there position. Some people, when they are wrong, CAN admit it, others, well I guess you know what I mean.
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Kinda like those who fly a 51 (insert some fast bird) and will not engage unless you are already involved with somebody else....when they miss...they zoom away and run off until they have more bait to work with.
Yea, why play if you are not going to try to improve....
Some folks tend to forget that speed is also nice to run cons down. :t
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1.Space Invaders Style - remember that old video game - Fly at em dead on - killing as many of em as ya can till you're killed. This sounds what the OP may have experienced - (there are days when after a crappy day at the office I just want get on to blow "chit" up - period - don't care if I die too)
"Space Invaders Style" heh, I like that :aok
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people who call others names and post trash like this do so only because they have a problem defending there position. Some people, when they are wrong, CAN admit it, others, well I guess you know what I mean.
Fugitive do you smoke dope ? :rofl on Medication ? :rofl or just plain crazy ? :rofl I'll never respond to another post of yours ever again. Somethings wrong with you dude. It's a game if I'm wrong about something I'll say sorry but there's nothing to be wrong about in this case. The question was what are people thinking when they ho or ram, everyone gets this besides you. Every thread you get the drama rolling helps for more pleasure for you I guess. Have a great life!
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LOL!!! I get it! Let me ask you a question, What were you thinking when you flew into the same hurri 5-6 flights and didn't try to avoid the HO?
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The question was what are people thinking when they ho or ram
They're probably thinking that's their best chance. For some, depending on their experience, it may be.
Batfink's done a good bit to help people learn a better way... He also constantly has something nice to say to the rookies on 200, pretty much no matter what just happened... Which in turn lets him do that good bit.
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I'm sure that Jumper is learning the game. I ran into him early in the night in a Mossie vs his hurricane with 4-5k in alt. He squandered his alt chasing low % shots mostly by reversing every chance for a joust. I tried to engage him constructively on 200 but got no response. I think a bit of TnDep's frustration may come from the fact we had a pretty good fight going with a number of quality sticks on both sides. This created a number of small mini furballs interspersed in a bigger one. Most who fly againt or with 71 SQD know we like to let good fights go and don't pile on.
This created some circumstances where jumper would wade into the melee and create complications in the sense that we had what could be called an "old school" high quality running furball with a face shooting hurricane in its mist. Just so happened timing but him in the mix with TnDep more often then not. After the 1st meeting I simply made sure to either avoid or eviscerate any hurricane I saw....which come to think of it is how I normally handle em.
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I guess my point in this thread is why do some pay $15 dollars a month to up a plane to ram, then up another plane to ho/ram again. Is there a point in the game to do this if you have no concept of getting better/improving in the game. What's the reason if there is no room for improvement why would you even play?
I get rammed every frikin day and that is just my stupid refusal to not merge head on with the other guy.
when i duck, the seasoned stick will let me by in hopes to get a fight but after i get a few guys breaking there necks to dump cannon spray on me as i try to avoid the HO, that just makes me wanna take every shot i can.
getting better is relative to who you come up against.
is flying around in a chog at 20k and picking the crowed for score a game improvement ?
is upping with the hoard just to have mass numbers on your side and improvement ?
is getting into a duel in the MA (win or lose) and then have the tard flame you on 200 calling you a HO or timid or a runner or a picker.... an improvement ?
is milking bases in EW /MW or evan main arena in the middle of the night just to get a better score
an improvement ?
I just dont care, there is a lot to be said for the words (it's my 15 bucks i'll do what ever i want) and you can flame me all you want. I will continue to improve in my own way.
All i am saying is it is not up to you, me or anyone else to say what improvement is to someone else.
this type of thread plays out day after day here...over n over again.
just fly your own game, take what you dish out and get on with it.
that is all
froger
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I can understand Jumper and the latest crop of newbies and the HOing. Many are furball lake graduates where the cannon bird HO rules. Hopefully the trainers can get some of them to take ACM calsses in the TA.
You obviously have not spent an evening with GHI furballing in an IL2 using F3 mode. He flys about 100ft off the deck. Watches you from god mode dive down to him, or level behind him to get under his rear gun, then noses into the buses at the instant you open fire. If you follow you collide so you pull up or turn away and he pulls up or turns behind you and hoses you with 37mm. Very often you have slowed down to his speed to saddel up and you cannot pull away fast enough to survive. All the while he's watching in F3 mode. I hear some DAers fly in F3 mode during duels.
So Tndep it's a choice if you want to keep going back against a person that irritates you. I finaly got even with GHI. He was so fixated on me coming in at 20ft off the deck through the trees while watching in F3 mode he forgot to check his altemeter. When he nosed down I pulled up and watched him plow into the ground because he had matched alt with me to make his overshoot work. That told me he noses down while in F3 god view mode.
I've stopped worrying about being HO'd. If the HO can kill you in this game and HiTech says its as much a part of the game as any other tactic. Then isn't the gamey attitiude wanting to force everyone to not HO rather than you polish your skills to the point that a HO is irrelevant?
Mary, jesus and joseph I'm sounding like a muppet. Wheres the holy water to wash my mouth out with...arrrgggghhhh.........
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I am thinking back about 3years when I first started playing AH2, (or any flight sim for that matter) I did not even have a stick. I upped on bish base in furball arena with my mouse for flight control, and looked for something to shoot down. I did not even try the offline mode before I jumped into my 2week trial.
I flew several sorties before I finally got a kill, and offcourse it was a ho I did. I thought I did good, and after that kill I tried to copy the move again. Only frustrating thing for me was all those timid guys that did some "miracle move" and disappeared from my sight only to kill me from behind??? :furious :huh
I got lucky and ho killed some more guys, and got accused for hoing.. Hoing?? Never heard of.. :uhoh
I think my first week I was all about hoing, that was the only way I could get rounds at someone. And I still had no clue what the people accusing me of hoing were talking about. :rolleyes:
Then I finally had to ask, what is a ho??
Ok, that was not a popular thing to do... At that point I learned that this game actually was not all about "the kill", but about the fight. Next thing I learned was that I needed a stick and some serious training to learn the 3D feel of the game. At that point I was totally 2D and all I could do was flat turns.. :lol No wonder I was killed alot!
My thoughts when I get hoed is that the hoer probably is at the point I was back then, or if he has been around for awhile he just has not been so well taken care of and helped out as I did. I was asking alot of questions in the beginning, I really wanted to learn to fight on the terms of the big community. And I got alot of good help improving my skill until I felt I was ready to get out of the nest and spread my wings alone again.
I am still learning day by day, and offcourse I get a little mad sometimes if say I engage a better turning plane than my hog just to see how long I can stay alive, and all I get is a ho shot blowing me to pieces.. :(
But after getting hoed enough I have learned to dictate the merge into my favour instead, or atleast I try to. Or if I KNOW who I am fighting and I know the pilot is a no-hoer for sure. Then I can merge almost head on and really close just to even the odds and see who's the better stick after that. :aok
But I like the thrill of not knowing what you are up against, that's really the spice in this game. Especially in the MA arenas, were you always run into new guys you've never fought before. :rock
Randomly some of them are hoers, but in general I try to approach them just like I allready knew that.
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:huh
Who gives a crap.
BTW "in"
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I guess my point in this thread is why do some pay $15 dollars a month to up a plane to ram, then up another plane to ho/ram again. Is there a point in the game to do this if you have no concept of getting better/improving in the game. What's the reason if there is no room for improvement why would you even play?
I get rammed every frikin day and that is just my stupid refusal to not merge head on with the other guy.
when i duck, the seasoned stick will let me by in hopes to get a fight but after i get a few guys breaking there necks to dump cannon spray on me as i try to avoid the HO, that just makes me wanna take every shot i can.
getting better is relative to who you come up against.
is flying around in a chog at 20k and picking the crowed for score a game improvement ?
is upping with the hoard just to have mass numbers on your side and improvement ?
is getting into a duel in the MA (win or lose) and then have the tard flame you on 200 calling you a HO or timid or a runner or a picker.... an improvement ?
is milking bases in EW /MW or evan main arena in the middle of the night just to get a better score
an improvement ?
I just dont care, there is a lot to be said for the words (it's my 15 bucks i'll do what ever i want) and you can flame me all you want. I will continue to improve in my own way.
All i am saying is it is not up to you, me or anyone else to say what improvement is to someone else.
this type of thread plays out day after day here...over n over again.
just fly your own game, take what you dish out and get on with it.
that is all
froger
very good points froger.....point well taken
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I can understand Jumper and the latest crop of newbies and the HOing. Many are furball lake graduates where the cannon bird HO rules. Hopefully the trainers can get some of them to take ACM calsses in the TA.
You obviously have not spent an evening with GHI furballing in an IL2 using F3 mode. He flys about 100ft off the deck. Watches you from god mode dive down to him, or level behind him to get under his rear gun, then noses into the buses at the instant you open fire. If you follow you collide so you pull up or turn away and he pulls up or turns behind you and hoses you with 37mm. Very often you have slowed down to his speed to saddel up and you cannot pull away fast enough to survive. All the while he's watching in F3 mode. I hear some DAers fly in F3 mode during duels.
So Tndep it's a choice if you want to keep going back against a person that irritates you. I finaly got even with GHI. He was so fixated on me coming in at 20ft off the deck through the trees while watching in F3 mode he forgot to check his altemeter. When he nosed down I pulled up and watched him plow into the ground because he had matched alt with me to make his overshoot work. That told me he noses down while in F3 god view mode.
I've stopped worrying about being HO'd. If the HO can kill you in this game and HiTech says its as much a part of the game as any other tactic. Then isn't the gamey attitiude wanting to force everyone to not HO rather than you polish your skills to the point that a HO is irrelevant?
Mary, jesus and joseph I'm sounding like a muppet. Wheres the holy water to wash my mouth out with...arrrgggghhhh.........
yeah some of the da pilots fly f3 mode which give them a better shot on snap shots. Very true about all your points bustr and I agree.
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SAJ ya I remember doing the same thing. The guys name was Jumper, I don't know if he was knew or not but if he is I completely understand and I have learned a lot from all of the responses from everyone in the thread. I didn't start this thread to dish anyone but just to find some understanding. Some people got to bash you everytime you start a topic but some of you guys put some great points down and I respect that and let it sink in.
I've worked with a dozen or so guys helping with acm and I enjoy that. I might put an application in to be a trainer to help some of the new guys wanting to learn and get better.
Good 2 c an old dueling buddy :salute
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:salute Dep,
froger
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Saj73 - You pretty much summarized about where I am. I came into this game four or five months ago and didn't have a clue what I was doing. I Killed a couple of B-24's flying with my mouse after about a week. Most of my first week was flying (into the ground) and getting killed (actually that would summarize my entire experience pretty well, too) then proceeded to HO everyone in sight (I think that was after I figured out the bad guys had red icons). Anyway, it took me a couple of months to realize that I have a huge amount of learning to do. Since then I have been reading up on BFM, ACM, tactics, etc.
One thing I would point out is that I would expect that most new flyers read the HTC info on plane types, etc. In some of those write ups they talk about taking head on shots, BnZing, etc. It certainly leads a new person to believe that these are acceptable tactics. At any rate, I try not to HO anymore, but it sure is hard not to when I see another plane heading straight at me and knowing that half of them will HO me. But after reading a lot of posts on other threads I am working on learning to avoid the HO (so far not too successfully) although stalling is a bigger problem for me right now.
A lot of guys have given me tips or helped me out and I am sure that it seems that I am a slow learner, but I have never played a game that I have enjoyed so much. I have seen experienced guys Ho and it seems like everyone plays differently, I can't answer regarding the psychology of what this thread is asking but I guess that some people get their kicks in different ways.
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Saj73 - You pretty much summarized about where I am. I came into this game four or five months ago and didn't have a clue what I was doing. I Killed a couple of B-24's flying with my mouse after about a week. Most of my first week was flying (into the ground) and getting killed (actually that would summarize my entire experience pretty well, too) then proceeded to HO everyone in sight (I think that was after I figured out the bad guys had red icons). Anyway, it took me a couple of months to realize that I have a huge amount of learning to do. Since then I have been reading up on BFM, ACM, tactics, etc.
One thing I would point out is that I would expect that most new flyers read the HTC info on plane types, etc. In some of those write ups they talk about taking head on shots, BnZing, etc. It certainly leads a new person to believe that these are acceptable tactics. At any rate, I try not to HO anymore, but it sure is hard not to when I see another plane heading straight at me and knowing that half of them will HO me. But after reading a lot of posts on other threads I am working on learning to avoid the HO (so far not too successfully) although stalling is a bigger problem for me right now.
A lot of guys have given me tips or helped me out and I am sure that it seems that I am a slow learner, but I have never played a game that I have enjoyed so much. I have seen experienced guys Ho and it seems like everyone plays differently, I can't answer regarding the psychology of what this thread is asking but I guess that some people get their kicks in different ways.
dev I'd be glad to do some 1v1's with you and see if I can help you out.
If you got proper distance to advoid the ho I always enjoy doing a barrel roll within there plane. It's a very tight barrel roll and very little loss of Energy. You need to be at the top of your barrel roll before they hit 1.0k Firing distance out of the barrel roll to a point where your wings are almost level but your still traveling left or right according on which direction you started the barrel roll. They waste ammo everytime and I don't think I've ever been hit with a single bullet if it's performed correctly. If you don't understand We'll get in the TA and I'll show it to you :salute
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dev I'd be glad to do some 1v1's with you and see if I can help you out.
If you got proper distance to advoid the ho I always enjoy doing a barrel roll within there plane. It's a very tight barrel roll and very little loss of Energy. You need to be at the top of your barrel roll before they hit 1.0k Firing distance out of the barrel roll to a point where your wings are almost level but your still traveling left or right according on which direction you started the barrel roll. They waste ammo everytime and I don't think I've ever been hit with a single bullet if it's performed correctly. If you don't understand We'll get in the TA and I'll show it to you :salute
Film might be best for a thing like this. I'd like to see the move you speak of.
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Film might be best for a thing like this. I'd like to see the move you speak of.
I'm off work tomorrow I'll make a short vid of the maneuver against another plane and put it up here.
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Film might be best for a thing like this. I'd like to see the move you speak of.
Me too.
Sounds like it might be "ok" to avoid an nme ho but does zero for you position wise for the rest of the fight.
IF you plan on flying past the nme and keep going it would be viable.
IF you plan on actually fighting the nme though...
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Before this becomes a ho thread let me say this I personally love the fights to be clean and let acm do the talking. Most of the time I win and some I lose. Tonight I met a guy named Jumper and everytime he hoed/rammed you with his hurri 2c. If you tried to break he'd push his stick down left or right and spray. This happen on 3 consc. sorties and he hoed/rammed squaddie's as well. I had to get off to go to bed anyway but it leaves me disguested with the game. You have so many to put up a good clean fight and some that ruins the game.
Is it his $15 dollars - Yes
he can do what he wants - I know
Is he and some others destroying the game - Yes
I get my butt handed to me back some a lot in duels. Tonight me and TJ done some duels in the DA and I lost 90% of them and I love that as it helps me to learn.
I guess my point in this thread is why do some pay $15 dollars a month to up a plane to ram, then up another plane to ho/ram again. Is there a point in the game to do this if you have no concept of getting better/improving in the game. What's the reason if there is no room for improvement why would you even play?
Answer this question only and I'm going to start it off
To make me ask questions - Yes :lol
Tn,
If, prior to the merge, you know what he is doing and where he is going to be, your engagement sequence and his death as the outcome should already be determined.
Yes, he may get a lucky spray in on you. But, 99% of the time if your opponent is this predictable, you should be working to use this as the mistake to capitalize upon. The number one rule I follow is to be unpredictable.
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I think a good way to avoid ho shots is (if the distance is adequate enough) pretend to go for a straight head on until just before guns range, just keep it in a shallow dive to keep the speed up. Then right before getting in guns range dive off to left or right, the hoer is now in the middle of his aiming process and will get surpriced as you change the course. He will now have to add some lead to his shot.. Then turn as low as you can into him, try to get under his nose, this will be a very hard shot to get as he will probably red out if trying to aim for you.. And you will have your speed up to go high after you pass him, or do whatever. Make a high yoyo with another turn to surprise him even more perhaps.. Number of ways to be unpredictable and try to get lost from his view for just long enough to make him go straight for a sec or two looking for you before turning.. Then you might have a shot at him before he get turned again if lucky.
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Good 2 c an old dueling buddy :salute
Good to see you too TnDep :) We have had some good duels before for sure, and I have to say you have been a fast learner in this game. It was a time when we did pretty equal in our fights, but now you would kill me like I was a noob I think. :lol
Has been a long time since we duelled any now.
Perhaps on a good day I could manage to stay alive for a few minutes with you, but the outcome would be in your favor I'm sure! :salute
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Good to see you too TnDep :) We have had some good duels before for sure, and I have to say you have been a fast learner in this game. It was a time when we did pretty equal in our fights, but now you would kill me like I was a noob I think. :lol
Has been a long time since we duelled any now.
Perhaps on a good day I could manage to stay alive for a few minutes with you, but the outcome would be in your favor I'm sure! :salute
I don't know about that SAJ your a heck of a stick my friend :salute
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I went ahead on my break and made the vid. it's 2:00 mins. long and you will see 2 merges after the maneuver. Starting speed before the maneuver is 356 and after the maneuver 347 so just 9 mph in speed loss, I use it, it's fun to do. This was done at a da field and Alleric was advised to fire everything he had at me on the merge and try to hit me. As you can see the bullets are very high and right of my plane where it once was. To do this maneuver you do need some speed and I wouldn't recommend it if less then 275 mph. I've not done a study to see whats the lowest speed it works at but here it is.
http://www.mediafire.com/?lwwmgxd2mg2
TnDep-F4u-1a
Alleric-Spit9
Disclaimer: Alleric doesn't ho, he was advised to for the purpose of this vid. Thanks for your help Alleric
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I don't know about that SAJ your a heck of a stick my friend :salute
Ty for your kind words bud, as I said perhaps if I had a good day and if you had a bad one the outcome perhaps would be pretty equal. But otherwise I think you are way ahead of me in your practice, I don't get enough hours ingame anymore to get the practice I feel needed to keep at my best.
There is so much I would love to learn better, and just like the move I described on the previous page.. Its a move I am still working on, polishing and testing. It works pretty good for me, but I need to get it like on rails.. I even forget to do it all together myself very often, and just get frustrated over being hoed to death. It takes alot of flighthours to get a move to work like clockwork, and doing it without even thinking too much of it as you do it..
But I liked your roll-move in the vid, I use that one too alot. But I don't make it without getting any hits always, so I have not put too much effort into polishing that one.. I started testing out other moves, to get me further away from the other plane. Since then I have been surviving alot longer.
Another thing I try to use alot, especially in the MA.. That's to make the arena sun my friend! If I manage to dictate the merge in a way that it makes me end up in a direct line between the enemy plane and the sun, that's a good place to be in! ;) Especially at the point where I try to confuse the other guy to make a bad move..
Just wish I could sit with this game every day for several hours, then I would probably have been alot better than I am today..
As it is now I often just jump into the furball arena to get as much fighting as I can on as short time as possible, just to keep me "warm". But it also makes me stressed, and because of that doing alot of stupid moves.. :rolleyes:
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TnDep, that move will get ya' dead if you pull it vs. me and it was only pure luck (or lack of skill) that you didn't get nailed that second time. (didn't really see a "move" after you went up/over and you were a sitting duck)
What you are doing is giving them a hard shot but you are gaining nothing by it.
Actually, from an energy and positional perspective, you would be in a bad way vs. someone who can fight.
One can achieve the exact same results with a simple juke that doesn't blow my e or position.
Getting a HO'r to miss is simple and not at all complicated. Give them a shot to line up on and don't be there when they pull the trigger. No fancy move required just timing.
I see several people talking about speed and/or fancy moves for HO avoidance and paying no mind to position.
So you just nosed down and piled on some speed and managed to avoid the head on your opponent tried.
Now what?
You are not gonna suddenly turn hard into the opponent as that would defeat the whole purpose of piling on the speed pre-merge and the move you used puts you in no position to go offensive.
I think you are missing out on a huge opportunity here by not flying for position. You are flying to make them miss as opposed to setting them up to die.
Think it through...
You get to dictate your opponents 1st and 2nd move if you are smart about it and by doing so get to start the fight with a huge advantage. Not only do you control their moves but by doing so you are putting them in a terrible position for the rest of the fight and pretty much starting the fight 1/2 way to their 6.
I agree that you should be under your opponent on the merge and I usually dive slightly to get under 'em but NOT for building up energy. (usually) It is because of the positional advantage you have being under your opponent when merging.
You were flying vs. a Spit so you want to make them have to nose down and turn to the right to take the HO shot at you so pre-merge you should be setting this up. (Spits turn worse to the right)
They will see my merging and since they are already in a hard right turn they will continue on with the right hand turn.
I just dictated their 1st and 2nd moves.
Sometimes they will just extend, get a ton of separation and try to HO me again. That is fine. Normally after 3-4 failed attempts they will try to turn with me and it is just a matter of being patient and ready for when they get brave/dumb and making sure you are in position and they are out of it.
The vast majority of the players will sacrifice alt, energy, and position for a shot (gawd love 'em) so use that to your advantage.
It is the ones that don't that concern me and I know I have a fight on my hands.
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Your spot on Lute not going to argue with you on any point, I don't use this maneuver much just do it for fun sometimes. Yes the second merge he could have had me for sure. I'm still learning and got a long ways to go before I get to your level and some others. Just 15 months in plugging alone learning as much as I can.
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TnDep, that move will get ya' dead if you pull it vs. me and it was only pure luck (or lack of skill) that you didn't get nailed that second time. (didn't really see a "move" after you went up/over and you were a sitting duck)
What you are doing is giving them a hard shot but you are gaining nothing by it.
Actually, from an energy and positional perspective, you would be in a bad way vs. someone who can fight.
One can achieve the exact same results with a simple juke that doesn't blow my e or position.
Getting a HO'r to miss is simple and not at all complicated. Give them a shot to line up on and don't be there when they pull the trigger. No fancy move required just timing.
I see several people talking about speed and/or fancy moves for HO avoidance and paying no mind to position.
So you just nosed down and piled on some speed and managed to avoid the head on your opponent tried.
Now what?
You are not gonna suddenly turn hard into the opponent as that would defeat the whole purpose of piling on the speed pre-merge and the move you used puts you in no position to go offensive.
I think you are missing out on a huge opportunity here by not flying for position. You are flying to make them miss as opposed to setting them up to die.
Think it through...
You get to dictate your opponents 1st and 2nd move if you are smart about it and by doing so get to start the fight with a huge advantage. Not only do you control their moves but by doing so you are putting them in a terrible position for the rest of the fight and pretty much starting the fight 1/2 way to their 6.
I agree that you should be under your opponent on the merge and I usually dive slightly to get under 'em but NOT for building up energy. (usually) It is because of the positional advantage you have being under your opponent when merging.
You were flying vs. a Spit so you want to make them have to nose down and turn to the right to take the HO shot at you so pre-merge you should be setting this up. (Spits turn worse to the right)
They will see my merging and since they are already in a hard right turn they will continue on with the right hand turn.
I just dictated their 1st and 2nd moves.
Sometimes they will just extend, get a ton of separation and try to HO me again. That is fine. Normally after 3-4 failed attempts they will try to turn with me and it is just a matter of being patient and ready for when they get brave/dumb and making sure you are in position and they are out of it.
The vast majority of the players will sacrifice alt, energy, and position for a shot (gawd love 'em) so use that to your advantage.
It is the ones that don't that concern me and I know I have a fight on my hands.
I guess that summary throws my merge down the drain too.. :lol
Perhaps I am working on something that makes me get nowhere, but so far I've seen some progress in my fights and survival after changing my merges from a straight on duelling merge to a more unpredictable flying path.. I don't try to get an incredibly amount of speed by diving, but just keeping my hog into a good e state before the fight starts. Usually that means trying to never let it drop below 150, but also not too much above 300 if I want to do any sudden turns..
But I really don't have enough experience to say too much about how to do this or that, but hope to get there some day though. :D :salute
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TnDep,
Thanks for the offer on the 1v1's, I could really use the practice. I am travelling this week and going to be moving this upcoming weekend. I should have my high speed internet back up shortly after that (I am using my ATT Blackberry to connect right now) and would look forward to meeting you after that. In the meantime if I see you or any one else in the arena's, feel free to let me know what I am doing wrong (pretty much everything, I think) :)
In the arena I go by Dev42,
Thanks again!
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Just for clarification, according to Skuzzy, ramming is a decision YOUR computer makes, not the other pilots computer. Trying to get close to someone and run their plane into an opponent is luck at the very best. I hate being rammed like anyone else but MY computer is the one that decided to give me the damage, not the other pilots flying skills.
TnDep, I've flown with you for a long time, hell, I learned with ya....you ran into a noob on a bad night. :salute
V/r
Changeup
(Dear Jesus, please let me get paired with Jumper in the dueling bracket, amen)
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(Dear Jesus, please let me get paired with Jumper in the dueling bracket, amen)
Lol I hear you there.
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I would like to hear his side of the story, maybe he was outnumbered, maybe he was doing what he had to do to avoid the pick, maybe he was doing what he had to do to defend the base. Got film?
This guy ALWAYS hoes, at least in MW. I had a situation earlier tonight where i was forced multiple times into a hoe situation. I was in an A6 and the other was a 190. He tried the BnZ a few times and it didnt work. He would then extend out, turn back around and go for the hoe. I tried everything i could to avoid, slow dive then sudden turns you name it. He finally landed a few pings on my wing and during my turn it came off.. (stupid paper airplane) Funny thing is he claimed it was a deflection shot not a hoe cause i was turning to avoid the hoe. Anyway i do agree that guys like that do ruin it for guys like me looking for a good ole turn fight. Im finding most of the players see this as just another video game and take no interest at all in actual ACM or using it as the SIM it was originally intended as. I just chalk it up to being a game and move on, most of the time.
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TnDep,
Thanks for the offer on the 1v1's, I could really use the practice. I am travelling this week and going to be moving this upcoming weekend. I should have my high speed internet back up shortly after that (I am using my ATT Blackberry to connect right now) and would look forward to meeting you after that. In the meantime if I see you or any one else in the arena's, feel free to let me know what I am doing wrong (pretty much everything, I think) :)
In the arena I go by Dev42,
Thanks again!
Sounds good Dev when you get back up and running lets do some duels :salute
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Just for clarification, according to Skuzzy, ramming is a decision YOUR computer makes, not the other pilots computer. Trying to get close to someone and run their plane into an opponent is luck at the very best. I hate being rammed like anyone else but MY computer is the one that decided to give me the damage, not the other pilots flying skills.
TnDep, I've flown with you for a long time, hell, I learned with ya....you ran into a noob on a bad night. :salute
V/r
Changeup
(Dear Jesus, please let me get paired with Jumper in the dueling bracket, amen)
lol Changeup :salute we need a bigger firewall I think
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When someone is being vulched, and they HO a vulcher as they take off, is that bad TnDep?
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I think it would help a lot of people out if they thought about hoes as a shot opportunity for the other guy. If you have someone coming in from your high 7 with a lot of smash you are going to do two things: 1) make him miss 2) start working to improve your position. I try to treat every merge like this. If he insists on having his guns in my direction when we merge I take evasives, if his merge takes him out of line with mine to the point where he will not have solution I will work for it and take the deflection shot.
90%+ of the time I am hoed it is because I made a bad decision and accepted the ho, and nearly every time I see someone get hoed it is because they fly straight at the guy playing chicken and expecting him to hold fire.
Basically, roll, jink, dive, or scissor when you see the cannon bird coming a head on at you and 90% of the time you will here his guns buzzing as you go passing cleanly by. Making shots on a maneuvering target at a closure rate of 800 mph is pretty tough but if you are flying straight and level at the bad guy he is going to give you a face full.
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When I find someone new like jumper I offer to help him. If he feels he needs no help, I will go elsewhere to find a good fight.
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No Pongo that's part of it, he's clearly at the disadvantage and does what he needs to do to defend.
I think it would help a lot of people out if they thought about hoes as a shot opportunity for the other guy. If you have someone coming in from your high 7 with a lot of smash you are going to do two things: 1) make him miss 2) start working to improve your position. I try to treat every merge like this. If he insists on having his guns in my direction when we merge I take evasives, if his merge takes him out of line with mine to the point where he will not have solution I will work for it and take the deflection shot.
90%+ of the time I am hoed it is because I made a bad decision and accepted the ho, and nearly every time I see someone get hoed it is because they fly straight at the guy playing chicken and expecting him to hold fire.
Basically, roll, jink, dive, or scissor when you see the cannon bird coming a head on at you and 90% of the time you will here his guns buzzing as you go passing cleanly by. Making shots on a maneuvering target at a closure rate of 800 mph is pretty tough but if you are flying straight and level at the bad guy he is going to give you a face full.
I agree with you totally but a hurri2c which doesn't do any acm but turn around to ho/ram it's hard to advoid it. This guy was not at a disadvantage and wasn't necc. to ho/ram but he done it anyway but I see your point.
When I find someone new like jumper I offer to help him. If he feels he needs no help, I will go elsewhere to find a good fight.
We had a very good fight going with a lot of experienced fighters but he was just interrupting a good fight and I got frustrated but it is what it is and I agree Shuffler helping people to learn is the only way to up the class of the game :salute
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The game you are talking about disappeared long ago and pretty much only exists in the DA or on a rare night when you meet a like-minded person in the MA of in a corner. It used to bother me, now Ive learned to just say screw it and roll with the punches.
YOU ARE GOING TO BE GANGED
YOU ARE GOING TO BE HO'D
YOU ARE GOING TO BE DISAPPOINTED AT TIMES
You cant let it get ya down. Fly your game, if others cant match it and have to do other stuff to get it done, they know.
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:salute Filth learning to not let it get to me it's all worth it when you have a great fight like me and pawz had today great fight pawz :salute
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If you are complaining about people who do Head-Ons, you do not know how to merge.
The above is a hasty generalization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization) subject to many exceptions, but in the majority of cases it needs to be said. The OP post describing this "Jumper's" engagement style- where he noses down and sprays if you try to dodge- indicates that he is flying "piper-on-target," all the way through the merge. The excellent ACM primer for online air combat, "In Pursuit," (which I'm sure most of us are aware of,) demonstrated neatly why an enemy that flies head-on, piper-on-target is nothing more then a very easy kill waiting to happen:
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7239/headondefeat.jpg)
(I posted this fullsize to make sure everybody saw it; if a mod feels a thumbnail link is better, PM me and I'll fix it.)
I first tested this in IL-2 offline, where the AI on "Veteran" ALWAYS goes for a piper-on-approach, and it works flawlessly. On-line it does nearly as well. And remember what WMLute said:
You get to dictate your opponents 1st and 2nd move if you are smart about it and by doing so get to start the fight with a huge advantage. Not only do you control their moves but by doing so you are putting them in a terrible position for the rest of the fight and pretty much starting the fight 1/2 way to their 6.
This man is right. Read his post again. In fact, I think he just summarized the strategy shown in the above pic.
HO's are just as much your fault as the HO'er, for rewarding such behavior. The only reason people get away with it is because so many others who had the fortune to go up against smart pilots who avoid HO shots learned to furball before they really learned to merge. If you're not punishing people for foolishly flying piper-on-target, it's your fault for not knowing how to merge.
This does not mean you're a bad pilot, or stupid, because:
1. The merge is hard, because it's highly dependent on timing; which cannot be taught, only learned through instinct and practice.
2. The merge is arguably the most crucial part of proper ACM, but your ignorance of this, while it is your problem, it isn't because you're lazy or lax. In case you didn't remember, look down- you're sitting at a computer playing a game with cartoon planes where no lives are in danger either from bullets or pissed off crew chiefs. It's not the Air Force academy; you had no way of expecting this much nuance. I learned to love these games starting with Aces Over Europe and Red Baron and I was quite the HURR LEFT-HAND-TURN = DOGFIGHTAN for longer then I'd care to admit. This brings me to my third point:
HOers only learn not to HO when you blow their tails off.
The best way for HOers to appreciate that HOing is not where it's at is for you to show them- with your first yard or two of ammo. After it happens the fourth or fifth time, they'll start to get the picture. And then they'll learn the value of the merge- and start to appreciate that they're getting into a game which is far more interesting then either JOUSTING TOURNAMENT or MERRY-GO-ROUND. Even 14 year olds who just want to hop on for twenty minutes of mindless BLAMMO BLAMMO can quickly appreciate this. They'll then go on to use their new trick against their fellow n00bs.
If a n00b can get away with an HO 9 times out of 10, then it's a valid tactic for him. It works, doesn't it? What else do you want from a tactic? You change that, and you'll remove any incentive for HOs in the first place.
Naturally, all my above ranting is fine and good ONLY if the arena isn't so full of new guys that it ends up being newbie vs. newbie jousting in most areas, with the more experienced sticks too outnumbered to make a difference. I personally don't think the game has been irrevocably lost to squeakers on their 2 week trials; but if that's really the case, then stick to the Dueling Arena, skirmishes between squadmates, or the like.
There are many "griefer" tricks in this game (as with all online games) that you have relatively little control over. HO's are not one of them.
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I didn't read this whole thread but the first thing I did was go look at Jumpers score. He' apparently only been playing since January and still hasn't put in five hours total.
TnDep, how good were you in your first 5 hours? Surely you've played enough to avoid a n00b in a Hurri.
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When I find someone new like jumper I offer to help him. If he feels he needs no help, I will go elsewhere to find a good fight.
Right after Shuffler kills his ass...Shuffler is like the Raid commercial: "Shuffler kills HOers DEAD"
Changeup
(Dear Jesus, please do NOT let me draw Shuffler, Lute, TnDep, Grizz, JB11, Bruv, Batfink, Kappa, Krupnski, SkyRock, JunkyII or, well anyone that has played the game longer than 1 month, amen)
Dear Baldeagle, I would like to draw xxxJCxxx in the first round...he works at our company and has to let me win or I will talk smack about him to his boss and ruin his life. Thank you for your time and :salute, your the greatest organizer of all time....and I really mean that.
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OK, I'll jump in and I expects to be singed. I generally fly spits -8 -9 and Seafires. Nimble planes, but not particulary fast or rugged. Spits attract HO'ers like flies on, um yea. Needless to say, they are a bit delicate: paper wings and tinfoil oil coolers. Those attracted generally fly P-51's or Bf-109G or K 30mm lobbers. I think that most of the aforesaid pony pilots are noobs, while I suspect that the Bf-109 pilot are vets who can't wait to hit you in the face with a tater.
OK, pile on.
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I didn't read this whole thread but the first thing I did was go look at Jumpers score. He' apparently only been playing since January and still hasn't put in five hours total.
TnDep, how good were you in your first 5 hours? Surely you've played enough to avoid a n00b in a Hurri.
:aok
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OK, I'll jump in and I expects to be singed. I generally fly spits -8 -9 and Seafires. Nimble planes, but not particulary fast or rugged. Spits attract HO'ers like flies on, um yea. Needless to say, they are a bit delicate: paper wings and tinfoil oil coolers. Those attracted generally fly P-51's or Bf-109G or K 30mm lobbers. I think that most of the aforesaid pony pilots are noobs, while I suspect that the Bf-109 pilot are vets who can't wait to hit you in the face with a tater.
OK, pile on.
Why would you get piled on? It sounds about right. I know we all complain about the "Runstangs," but I can't blame newbies who refuse to piss away their E to commit to difficult ACM- it's sensible, after all. Sadly they don't know any of the techniques of E-fighting that gives them good angles, so the best they can do is come back from 2k for another head-on "one pass, haul ass." :banana:
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I didn't read this whole thread but the first thing I did was go look at Jumpers score. He' apparently only been playing since January and still hasn't put in five hours total.
TnDep, how good were you in your first 5 hours? Surely you've played enough to avoid a n00b in a Hurri.
I put in 5 hours a day and still aren't any good so I know I wasn't any good my first 5. I got a lot to learn I need a teacher :D advanced trainer's please reply
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(Dear Jesus, please do NOT let me draw Shuffler, Lute, TnDep, Grizz, JB11, Bruv, Batfink, Kappa, Krupnski, SkyRock, JunkyII or, well anyone that has played the game longer than 1 month, amen)
Dear Baldeagle, I would like to draw xxxJCxxx in the first round...he works at our company and has to let me win or I will talk smack about him to his boss and ruin his life. Thank you for your time and :salute, your the greatest organizer of all time....and I really mean that.
Wrong thread but thanks. Could you contact prospective employers and tell them that? If not and for that error in judgement posting in this thread you might draw Shuffler, Lute, TnDep, Grizz, JB11, Bruv, Batfink, Kappa, Krupnski, SkyRock and JunkyII. :D
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No one really dies, planes are free. Good fights can be found. The comments made now are the same that were made about my 'generation' of cartoon pilots when we wandered in to Airwarrior. The old guard figured we'd totally destroyed the game then and it was 1996.
If you get that wrapped up in the playing of the game, it's time to step back and get your perspective.
We constantly argue about how the game is doomed and how it should be played. Yet here we still are :)
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Wrong thread but thanks. Could you contact prospective employers and tell them that? If not and for that error in judgement posting in this thread you might draw Shuffler, Lute, TnDep, Grizz, JB11, Bruv, Batfink, Kappa, Krupnski, SkyRock and JunkyII. :D
My thoughts were the need to market to you across multiple spectrums to have the maximum impact on your decision. With all the fine sticks commenting on this thread, including you, it would be a terrific secondary informational medium to reach my target audience......YOU. :rofl
You see an error in judgement, I see a marketing plan to try to get me past the first round for once....Please include Dodger in the above referenced list....thank you.
Changeup
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I didn't read this whole thread but the first thing I did was go look at Jumpers score. He' apparently only been playing since January and still hasn't put in five hours total.
TnDep, how good were you in your first 5 hours? Surely you've played enough to avoid a n00b in a Hurri.
This may make it worse but hes actually not a (time in game) noob! He flew under a different name from tour 86 to tour 113. Went on haitus and came back with his current name in tour 120! Just FYI!
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Before this becomes a ho thread let me say this I personally love the fights to be clean and let acm do the talking. Most of the time I win and some I lose. Tonight I met a guy named Jumper and everytime he hoed/rammed you with his hurri 2c. If you tried to break he'd push his stick down left or right and spray. This happen on 3 consc. sorties and he hoed/rammed squaddie's as well. I had to get off to go to bed anyway but it leaves me disguested with the game. You have so many to put up a good clean fight and some that ruins the game.
Is it his $15 dollars - Yes
he can do what he wants - I know
Is he and some others destroying the game - Yes
I get my butt handed to me back some a lot in duels. Tonight me and TJ done some duels in the DA and I lost 90% of them and I love that as it helps me to learn.
I guess my point in this thread is why do some pay $15 dollars a month to up a plane to ram, then up another plane to ho/ram again. Is there a point in the game to do this if you have no concept of getting better/improving in the game. What's the reason if there is no room for improvement why would you even play?
Answer this question only and I'm going to start it off
To make me ask questions - Yes :lol
There are a lot of motivations in the MA. A fair fight is not always near the top of the list for many folks. This guy could have been vulched 7 times in a row and he just wants to see something blow up other than himself, so he will do what ever it takes to get a kill, revenge, piss someone else off, etc...
I love the fair play, pass head-on so both planes start equal, Dueling-arena, kind of fights. Many in the MA will engage in that, but 50%-70% of the time you will get HO-ed. The issue is that with a fake "war", vulching, picking, scorers, base taking, carrier hiding, etc, all going on the MA it's not the best place to expect fair fights and honor code. Nice when it happens but you just can't count on it. The rule of the MA is there are no rules.
I know you spend time in the DA at Furball lake. Perhaps you could organize some of those folks over to one of the DA fields for rolling 1v1s, 2v2s etc. since this option is available I've found I complain less about the MA antics because HTC has given us the tools to create our own environments where we can play by any rules we choose. It's easy to take off in the MA and hope you find players like you, but hope is not a plan. Planning takes a little more effort, but it's probably worth the investment if the MA ho-baggers won't let you have fun. I'd be happy to join a DA group anytime. Send me a message if you see me online. :aok
:salute
Vinkman
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I dont think some people get what you were saying TN but as you know i hate being deliberately hoed or rammed lol and i always say summat about it hehe but anyway my bug is that even the good sticks resort to lame tactics especially in the da, But the most annoying part is that when theyve been lame they then open up with the "easy" or "pwned" lol that just makes me fall off the chair laughing hehe.
I would love to have H2H back so that serious duellers can get in there and have some proper fun like trying for 5 mins to get on each others tails or looking for the illusive kill shot.
Of course then you would also have the ability to rmove those who think just killing is enough and have no concept of the "sport" of comabt flying, Anyways im off but ill be in the da later moaning and whining and crying etc etc because im just an easily pwned noob :joystick:
Have fun all :salute
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:salute Filth learning to not let it get to me it's all worth it when you have a great fight like me and pawz had today great fight pawz :salute
TnDep that was some GREAT flying :salute