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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: saggs on May 25, 2010, 01:26:11 PM
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Just saw this on the Formula 1 website.
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html Go Texas :aok
Good news for us American fans that F1 is coming back to the US I'd say. Now if only we could get some American drivers in F1. There HAS to be drivers in the US that have the talent, sadly they must all end up in that mind-numbing boredom that is NASCAR. I've often wondered if former F1 drivers who went to NASCAR like Scott Speed and JP Montoya could go back to F1, or if after a season in NASCAR they have forgotten how to do things like turn right, brake, and downshift. :lol Not that I miss Montoya in F1, he's a jerk. And I'm still bitter about the joke that was the attempted USF1 team. :rolleyes: . Anyway enough ramblings for today. :bolt:
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Wow...didn't see that coming.
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well hopefully this means an ALMS race could be coming back to Texas.
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why not, i like to see new tracks, no matter where, but new tracks!
btw. wonder how mercedes with Schumie will do in Turkey, it could be very interesting
if the redbull's can keep theyr fast pace.
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well hopefully this means an ALMS race could be coming back to Texas.
Probably, it's going to be a purpose built track, not a street circuit, so Austin is obviously making a HUGE investment here. I'm sure they'd like to get as much use out of it as possible.
why not, i like to see new tracks, no matter where, but new tracks!
btw. wonder how mercedes with Schumie will do in Turkey, it could be very interesting
if the redbull's can keep theyr fast pace.
Personally, I'd love to see Mark Webber continue to kick butt. The way Webber dominated in Monaco was (to me) reminiscent of many of Schumacher's races from his 2000-2004 glory days. He was just laying down fastest lap after fastest lap with ease. If not for all the safety cars in Monaco he would have finished 35-40s clear of Vettel in 2nd, and you can't say that Vettel wasn't pushing, cause he had Kubica all over him.
As for Schumacher, I like him, still think he has tons of talent (but not as much as he used to, but still very competitive). I just don't think he's going to get a winning car this season. The Red Bulls have just been to good so far. Maybe Schumi will podium once or twice, but I don't expect more then that.
And I'm still pissed :mad: off about that bogus penalty given to Schumi in Monaco. A 20s penalty for passing under a GREEN flag and lights total BS. Was completely the race controls/marshals fault, they should not have been waving green, and turned on green lights if they were finishing under safety car. Yet Schumi gets punished for the marshals/race controls epic FUBAR. :mad: Makes me wanna say nasty things about Damon Hill. :mad:
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I was on of them that was glad to see it leave Houston. Nothing but headaches for folks there.
The Austin setup is supposed to be a whole new track with facilities and all. That is a tremendous undertaking. Makes you wonder who financed it.
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Houston was Cart, and I really liked the Houston race.
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:x
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There used to be a Road Course here in Austin. I don't remember the name of it.....saw it once and it was really nice. No idea where they will build or hold the race.....I do know I'll be going.
Cool deal it will be here in my back yard practically.
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Won't it confuse people over there though? Having a car turn to the right?
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Won't it confuse people over there though? Having a car turn to the right?
NASCAR is stupid, and coming from a Texan, I still say it's really for people who are white trash, or have a really dull imagination and enjoy fast cars in circles. (*COUGH* 1sum41 :D )
I never enjoyed NASCAR and I never will, if I wanted to, I could get in my car and take a block around my neighborhood only turning left at 100 MPH and the same people would probably still pay to watch.
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Now if only we could get some American drivers in F1.
I'm STILL waiting for my phone to ring.
Awesome news. Looks like I'll be going to Austin in 2012.
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NASCAR is stupid, and coming from a Texan, I still say it's really for people who are white trash, or have a really dull imagination and enjoy fast cars in circles. (*COUGH* 1sum41 :D )
I never enjoyed NASCAR and I never will, if I wanted to, I could get in my car and take a block around my neighborhood only turning left at 100 MPH and the same people would probably still pay to watch.
This kind of crap is one of the reasons I stay away from F1. Most of the people that follow F1 are too busy looking down their noses at any other form of motorsport. Same kind of attitude you find at little wine/cheese parties on the west coast where everyone compares the gloss level of their Ferrari to see who has more class. You don't enjoy a certain form of motorsport, no problem, don't watch it. But to go out of your way to belittle anybody that may enjoy it is narrow minded and childish.
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This kind of crap is one of the reasons I stay away from F1. Most of the people that follow F1 are too busy looking down their noses at any other form of motorsport. Same kind of attitude you find at little wine/cheese parties on the west coast where everyone compares the gloss level of their Ferrari to see who has more class. You don't enjoy a certain form of motorsport, no problem, don't watch it. But to go out of your way to belittle anybody that may enjoy it is narrow minded and childish.
I don't look down my nose at "any other form of motorsport" just NASCAR :D
WRC, Le Mans, BTCC, CART, Top Gear's Motorhome Racinig (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohkAxbeMxVo) (my favorite motorsport ever) I enjoy them all. It's ONLY NASCAR that I poo poo. Oh and drag racing too, yup... that's boring as well.
Face it, if your a NASCAR fan, you're going to get teased and made fun of all the time, it's just too easy. But don't take it so personal man. Just because I not a fan of the same sport as you is no reason to get all huffy and upset. It's just some good natured ribbing, nobody is insulting you personally, it's all in good fun, take a deep breath, relax, and go drive around in circles for a while. (sorry couldn't resist)
Heck my own family gives me a hard time because I'm not a Football (American) fan. I find that extremely dull and boring as well. They also give me a hard time because I am a Curling fan, I find the strategies fascinating. But I'm not so wrapped up in it that I let it hurt my feelings. I expect to get made fun of for watching a sport that usually features unattractive middle-aged men and women sliding a stone on ice and sweeping like crazy while yelling strange stuff. Oh well, doesn't take away from my enjoyment of it. Having a sense of humor goes a long ways, learn to laugh at yourself a little bit, the way I laugh at myself for being a curling fan.
MORAL: You go watch your NASCAR and enjoy it, and don't let all the nasty, mean, old F1 fans take away from that, or hurt your feelings. Cause you're gonna get made fun of, that's just a fact, sorry.
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I'm STILL waiting for my phone to ring.
Ya sure, me too :lol
I've wondered though, surely there must be some American drivers in CART or Champ Car or Indycar that could make the jump to GP2, or GP3 for a few years, then at least have a shot at F1, right?
Didn't Sebastian Bourdais make the jump from Champ Car champion to F1 a few years ago? (Bad example I guess, he didn't last long in F1, wonder what he's doing now)
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Well even i'm a long time F1 fan, i do enjoy Nascar too, its a complete different world, but its fun,
and they have not only ovals, see Watkins Glen. I loved to race online with Nascar from Papyrus,
a few years ago. I also watched Indycar racing, but then they split up into Cart Racing and Indycar
or so and thats crap.
@saggs
didnt Rosberg made the fastest lap at Monaco?? maybe i'm wong.
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@saggs
didnt Rosberg made the fastest lap at Monaco?? maybe i'm wong.
:o We're both wrong:
http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/829/6735/fastest_laps.html
Vettel put down the fastest lap on lap 71, which was just before the last Safety Car. I think that Webber was just cruising at that point though, as he had a very comfortable lead. I'd bet if Webber was pushing on those laps he would have been faster.
Rosberg had the 7th fastest lap, Schumacher the 5th.
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MORAL: You go watch your NASCAR and enjoy it, and don't let all the nasty, mean, old F1 fans take away from that, or hurt your feelings. Cause you're gonna get made fun of, that's just a fact, sorry.
There you go making an assumption that I'm some rabid NASCAR fan. I'm not, haven't watched a full race in years. I really enjoyed it back in the day where it was driver vs. driver but now the car technology reigns supreme. Pretty much the same way it is in most of the major motorsports these days. And I can promise you this, nothing that you've said or could say has "hurt my feelings." I'm not small minded enough to let the mindless ramblings of an internet unknown ruffle my feathers in the slightest. Just merely pointing out that the attitude you put forth can turn people off the very sport you're promoting.
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Didn't Sebastian Bourdais make the jump from Champ Car champion to F1 a few years ago? (Bad example I guess, he didn't last long in F1, wonder what he's doing now)
I've often wondered why America can't produce a decent F1 competitor. There's probably more interest here in motorsport than anywhere else in the world, but with the exception of Jacques Villenueve in 1997, no one making the move from American open-wheel racing to F1 has cut it in the 20 years or so I've been following the sport.
And make no mistake - as much as American's hate to admit not being the best at something, F1 is the pinacle of motorsport and Europe (and Brazilian drivers) own it.
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to watch an f1 race here you have to be up at 4am most the time, that doesn't help that's for sure and keeps it in the back of most peoples mind in the US. I love road racing but the lack of it on at hours i can see it keeps me from watching, NASCAR, NHRA, IRL are on when I'm awake so I watch those and when ever an ALMS race is on. Out of sight out of mind is how F1 is for most people here.
As for NASCAR being a redneck sport you'd be surprised how wrong that is. My Asian buddies are trying to get me to go to the Texas race with them, said it's completely different in person.
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I've often wondered why America can't produce a decent F1 competitor. There's probably more interest here in motorsport than anywhere else in the world, but with the exception of Jacques Villenueve in 1997, no one making the move from American open-wheel racing to F1 has cut it in the 20 years or so I've been following the sport.
And make no mistake - as much as American's hate to admit not being the best at something, F1 is the pinacle of motorsport and Europe (and Brazilian drivers) own it.
strange isnt it? I was thinking about this watching indycar a while back and seeing all the brits doing well in it. I'm guessing probably the same reason that traditionally US doesnt build sports cars, whatever that is. It must come from the kind of driving and roads that most people are used to, just take a look at the roads that the scots and scandinavians are used to driving on everyday and you understand why they have a taste for going sideways at 90 on gravel and dominate WRC.
edit: glad to see F1 back in the US after the indianapolis fiasco a few years back, shame it wont be a street circuit tho.
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...It must come from the kind of driving and roads that most people are used to, just take a look at the roads that the scots and scandinavians are used to driving on everyday and you understand why they have a taste for going sideways at 90 on gravel and dominate WRC....
Fair point, although it has to be said the Scots and Finns also manage to produce a disproportionate number of good F1 drivers. One thing I miss about Scotland is the great driving roads where you could take a 100hp Ford Fiesta and have way more fun than you'll ever have with a 500hp Mustang (in my opinion of course).
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I'm STILL waiting for my phone to ring.
Awesome news. Looks like I'll be going to Austin in 2012.
Read this and laughed.... I bet your waiting... I'd take the entry pay anyday,I'd heard that Shummie was getting 100K per point as a bonus in his last year with the "red" team!
But Mazz,tell the turth,do you really think you could even launch an F1 car? I dont think I could but I'd sure like to try it as long as I dont have to pay for those clutches......... :lol
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I think there is a big enough population, and enough talent in the US to produce some F1 caliber race drivers. The problem as I see it simply that most American driving talent is funneled into NASCAR, and it makes sense when you analyze it.
1) NASCAR is much more popular in the US, I'd bet an American F1 champion would get much less attention here the the NASCAR champion.
2) NASCAR is easier on drivers/drivers families since it's NA only so they don't have to travel all over the world, and be gone for several weeks at a time like F1.
3) It's easier to get into NASCAR, compared to F1 it has, more drivers, and less people wanting to be drivers (again because it's a US only thing, maybe 50 million US kids dream of becoming a NASCAR driver, while 100's of millions of kids worldwide dream about becoming an F1 driver)
All in all I think it's just that F1 doesn't have the popularity here to support a serious push for American talent in F1. Look at Scott Speed, he didn't do all that well in F1, but at least he was in there, competing at the highest level. But after only a couple seasons he comes home to race NASCAR, whether that was his decision or Red Bulls I don't know. But if it was his decision I completely understand it, to be home with your family, instead of halfway around the world for 2/3rds of the year, makes sense to me.
My hope is that with a race coming back to the US, F1 will gain some popularity here, which needs to happen before we see a real American contender I think.
I agree with RTHolmes too, specifically about the Fins. They grow up driving on crazy roads from the time they are 12, driving is just in their blood. Mikka Hakkinnen will always be one of my favorite drivers.
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to watch an f1 race here you have to be up at 4am most the time, that doesn't help that's for sure and keeps it in the back of most peoples mind in the US.
Don't most people with cable/satellite TV have DVRs now. I don't even have cable TV, I have bunny ears that pick up only 5 stations. But I still manage to download the race (BBC coverage) off the interwebz and watch them on my 'puter.
But I see your point. Even a recorded broadcast doesn't have the same excitement as watching it live with the rest of the world.
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Don't most people with cable/satellite TV have DVRs now. I don't even have cable TV, I have bunny ears that pick up only 5 stations. But I still manage to download the race (BBC coverage) off the interwebz and watch them on my 'puter.
But I see your point. Even a recorded broadcast doesn't have the same excitement as watching it live with the rest of the world.
yea i have a DVR but still it's only on the Speed Channel and if i don't see a commercial for it I forget about it, at that point it doesn't mater if i have DVR or not.
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Well I for one am a Nascar fan. I did enjoy IRL back in the days of Unser jr. and Rahal. When I think of F1 the first name that pops in my head is Shumacher and Ferrari. I even catch a few late model dirt track races at local events. Every league has its pros and cons. Oh and Saggs no need to worry about losing Montoya. You have a new priss in Massa. :D
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Well I for one am a Nascar fan. I did enjoy IRL back in the days of Unser jr. and Rahal. When I think of F1 the first name that pops in my head is Shumacher and Ferrari. I even catch a few late model dirt track races at local events. Every league has its pros and cons. Oh and Saggs no need to worry about losing Montoya. You have a new priss in Massa. :D
Is Montoya still in NASCAR?
Every time I think of him I think of his crazy overreaction to a bump on the head in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcGXT_7Dpiw
Then I think of good 'ol David Coulthard, being cool about a similar bump on the head and making fun of Montoya in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSvl4AiUt30
And just for good measure my favorite DC interview answer ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z15ZRdz6XcI&feature=related
EDIT: and since you mentioned Massa. How about DC on Massa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv73fN8eJTU&NR=1
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What F1 needs is Kyle Busch. :x He can 'wheel' a car and is good at bullying his way to the front like the Schu. :devil
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F1 and NASCAR are very similar types of racing...its all about aero and race management
Tronsky
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Might help if the F1 boys manage to get their solids together enough to have a tyre which works on the tracks they:ve booked. They're really going to have to uncork something special to wash out the bitter taste of their last effort in the US.
Say what you like about NASCAR, I:ve never heard it accused of being a parade. Last few F1s I:ve seen, could have switched off after the first corner, and I used to live for the damn stuff.
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Might help if the F1 boys manage to get their solids together enough to have a tyre which works on the tracks they:ve booked. They're really going to have to uncork something special to wash out the bitter taste of their last effort in the US.
As I understand it the problem with the tires in the last US Grand Prix at Indy, was due to the extreme downward G forces exerted on the cars during the banked oval section of the track. No other F1 track has had that, and Austin won't either since it will be built as an F1 track, not a high speed oval adapted for F1 like Indy.
So far this year the Bridgestone tires have been awesome.. Alonso did 72+ laps on single set at Monaco and they still looked like they could do another 30 laps at the finish. He wasn't just cruising either he was driving hard, moving from last place up to 6th (parade huh, pppffssshhhh). All bets are off for nest year though, as Bridgestone is pulling out of F1. Rumors are either Pirelli or Cooper/Avon for next season.
Say what you like about NASCAR, I:ve never heard it accused of being a parade. Last few F1s I:ve seen, could have switched off after the first corner, and I used to live for the damn stuff.
Then I hereby accuse NASCAR of being a parade. :aok With the exception of the first race in Bahrain this year, all the races have had some good overtaking action, it's just not always at the front.
People have been complaining about the lack of overtaking in F1 for ages. I just don't get it though, these are the best drivers in the world, how can you expect to have constant overtaking at that level of racing, they are all just to good to be constantly passing, and being passed. If you want overtaking throw some crappy minor league drivers on the front of the grid so they'll have someone to overtake. Or reverse grid, that would be crazy.
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I hear what you're saying about the banked track, but that wasn't exactly a blinding surprise, either to the engineers or to the (ptui!) people who run the sport.
Alonso came from 24th to 6th? Wow, a super-rich team guy passed some poor-house teams? Why not compare # of lead changes / race? (Have there been any in F1 this season? Not in the pits? Beyond say, lap 3?
Like I say, I used to live for F1. Can't be arsed these days. Rather watch kids in go-karts - more fun and excitement.
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IMO they were having these tire issues with Ralph Schumacher at Williams and Toyota. I believe the tires would have been fine, it was just a drivers preferred setup (maybe too low tire pressure) that caused the tire to deflate. But back on the subject, Austin, TX here I come. I just wish F1 would return to the "run what you brung" 3.0 ltr cylinder qty is up to the mfg. I really miss the sound of the V12s and V10s. They should regress back to the early 90s package, when F1 was in the hayday. And for the American open wheelers, bring back the turbocharged V8s that made the sounds at Indy freaking amazing. Went there for time trials, and it just isn't what it used to be. Last good race for Indy was in 95, its a shame Tony George neutered that series.
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Another good race in Turkey, plenty of fighting going on at the front.
I'm really shocked however with the way Red Bull is handling the crash between Webber and Vettel. They are completely unwilling to admit that it was 100% Vettel's fault. They keep saying things like "both drivers should have given each other more room" and "we're a team" implying that Webber is to blame as well. Vettel turned right into him, there was absolutely nothing Webber could have done to avoid, he was holding his line, and was still a long way's from the braking point. IF Webber had come off his line and slowed making it easier for Vettel to stick the pass, then he would have opened himself up to attack from Hamilton, Webber did NOTHING wrong. And IF Vettel had held his line he probably could have stuck the pass coming out of the next corner. Then the Red Bull management all coddle and hug and tell Vettel it's all OK on the pit wall. :rolleyes:
I can't believe that Red Bull won't just man up and say, "Yes, Vettel screwed up, but we all make mistakes, it happens, let's move on." and be done with it. Instead they seem to be all worried about hurting Vettel's feelings or some PC crap. And it's not fair at all to Webber the way they keep implying that it was his fault.
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Why not compare # of lead changes / race? (Have there been any in F1 this season? Not in the pits? Beyond say, lap 3?
Im pretty sure Webber, Button and Hamilton were all in the lead at some point in Turkey. And im not counting Pitstops.
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Im pretty sure Webber, Button and Hamilton were all in the lead at some point in Turkey. And im not counting Pitstops.
And Vettel, by just a nose, for about 1.5 seconds, before he tried to drive through Webbers car. :lol
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And Vettel, by just a nose, for about 1.5 seconds, before he tried to drive through Webbers car. :lol
Lol yea that one to :D
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Read this and laughed.... I bet your waiting... I'd take the entry pay anyday,I'd heard that Shummie was getting 100K per point as a bonus in his last year with the "red" team!
But Mazz,tell the turth,do you really think you could even launch an F1 car? I dont think I could but I'd sure like to try it as long as I dont have to pay for those clutches......... :lol
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Heck, I doubt I'd even make it out of the paddock. :D
Closest seat time I can claim is a Formula Atlantic car - once - and even if I could get an F1 car to move more than 3 feet without either (A) spinning the rubber right off the wheels or (B) stalling it repeatedly, I can't even begin to imagine the difference.
Ya sure, me too :lol
I've wondered though, surely there must be some American drivers in CART or Champ Car or Indycar that could make the jump to GP2, or GP3 for a few years, then at least have a shot at F1, right?
Didn't Sebastian Bourdais make the jump from Champ Car champion to F1 a few years ago? (Bad example I guess, he didn't last long in F1, wonder what he's doing now)
There was a kid who was coming up through Formula Mazda a couple years back. Cleaned up in Karts, Ford, etc. Think he even got a seat in a GT3 for one of the ALMS races. He has been the front-running US candidate for a little while - though I haven't heard anything in awhile. Think he might be making the rounds in Europe right now. Will have to look up his name - something Italian IIRC.
I also ran at Summit Point a few weekends back with a kid doing the Teen Mazda Challenge thing and he had some serious talent for his age (read: not even old enough to drive on public roads yet).
As for existing drivers - I would start my search in NASCAR for the guys who repeatedly place in the top three on the road circuits. Gordon would come to mind, first.
This kind of crap is one of the reasons I stay away from F1. Most of the people that follow F1 are too busy looking down their noses at any other form of motorsport. Same kind of attitude you find at little wine/cheese parties on the west coast where everyone compares the gloss level of their Ferrari to see who has more class. You don't enjoy a certain form of motorsport, no problem, don't watch it. But to go out of your way to belittle anybody that may enjoy it is narrow minded and childish.
I wouldnt say that. While oval tracks are not my thing and, frankly, I find them boring, that doesnt mean I look down upon them. I'd probably say that, when push came to shove, not many other people really do either.
I'd like to think that true motorsport fans can appreciate all forms of racing - some just gravitate towards a particular type of it.
I love F1... but, at least on my car, I'm more concerned with spring rates and brake cooling than perfectly waxed paint and I dont attend cheese and wine parties.
I am, however, a beer snob... so you can keep your Miller Lite in the glove box.
I KEEEEED I KEEEEED! :D
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I'm really shocked however with the way Red Bull is handling the crash between Webber and Vettel. They are completely unwilling to admit that it was 100% Vettel's fault. etc.
thats because it wasnt, watch it again. when vettel makes his move there is barely enough space to go through. as he does so webber moves across to the left slightly to squeeze vettel even more and intimidate him. its subtle but you can plainly see it from vettel's incar footage. vettel will have seen this clearly out of the corner of his eye.
now I cant explain why vettel moved across so much and so quickly that he touched webbers car, but it was a reaction to his teammate trying to push him off the track. it was both drivers' petulance that cost redbull a 1/2 finish.
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thats because it wasnt, watch it again. when vettel makes his move there is barely enough space to go through. as he does so webber moves across to the left slightly to squeeze vettel even more and intimidate him. its subtle but you can plainly see it from vettel's incar footage. vettel will have seen this clearly out of the corner of his eye.
now I cant explain why vettel moved across so much and so quickly that he touched webbers car, but it was a reaction to his teammate trying to push him off the track. it was both drivers' petulance that cost redbull a 1/2 finish.
Thats EXACTLY how I saw it (although plenty dont see it that way)...Webber left the gate open & Seb had the inside run, momentum and upcoming racing line - Webber totally tried to squeeze Vettel out!
I think thats what Christian Horner thought to when he refered to how the McLaren guys gave each other miles of room when the had their little passing moves later, and his guys didnt.
Tronsky
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Thats EXACTLY how I saw it (although plenty dont see it that way)...Webber left the gate open & Seb had the inside run, momentum and upcoming racing line - Webber totally tried to squeeze Vettel out!
I think thats what Christian Horner thought to when he refered to how the McLaren guys gave each other miles of room when the had their little passing moves later, and his guys didnt.
Tronsky
I think you guys are seeing things that aren't there.
Just watched it again, half a dozen times, from 3 different cameras, I don't see Webber trying to squeeze him at all, Vettel was still 3-4 ft off the curb for pete's sake, he still had plenty of track. Vettel also had plenty of room before the braking point to continue past Webber. There was no reason at all for Webber to yield yet, and Vettel just turned right into him.
Watching Webbers onboard cam he twitched left a tiny bit, but that was before Vettel came alongside, once he saw Vettel alongside his steering was straight on, and then even a touch to the right to give Vettel more room once his nose was ahead. Watching the racetrack cam you can clearly see that Vettel had 3-4ft of track between him and the curb when he turned into Mark. Watching Vettels onboard you can see him turn in, even though he has plenty of track on his left.
It was obviously Vettel who turned into Webber, while Vettel had plenty of track, seems pretty cut and dry to me. I'm not ragging on Vettel, I like him, just my opinion that he screwed up. Heaven knows Webber has done similar things, like when he took out Hamilton in Australia.
If you watch the press conference closely you can see Webber explaining with his hands to Hamilton what happened while Button is talking.
As for Mclaren, they actually did touch wheels when Lewis took it back from Jensen, but it was more incidental contact, whereas Vettel blatantly turned into another car.
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thats because it wasnt, watch it again. when vettel makes his move there is barely enough space to go through. as he does so webber moves across to the left slightly to squeeze vettel even more and intimidate him. its subtle but you can plainly see it from vettel's incar footage. vettel will have seen this clearly out of the corner of his eye.
now I cant explain why vettel moved across so much and so quickly that he touched webbers car, but it was a reaction to his teammate trying to push him off the track. it was both drivers' petulance that cost redbull a 1/2 finish.
I just did watch it from Vettels car, several times, in slow motion. I see at least 3 ft. between his car and the white line when he turned into Mark. How is that being "pushed off the track."??
It was tight with Vettel's wheels on the white line when Vettel first came alongside. But by the time he's got his nose ahead, Mark was moving right giving him more space. Just before the impact the gap between their cars was growing till Vettel turned into him. Webber gave him plenty of room.
Though I cannot fathom why, Vettel came alongside, nosed ahead, and then just turned into him. Simple as that. Vettle had the momentum to make the pass stick too, if he'd only stayed straight on he'd have had the inside line on the corner.
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Saggs,it's simple he wanted the lead and went for it. Vettel was either going to get the lead or crash trying as any good driver should do.
Supposedly there's no "team" orders and each driver is suppose to race every driver on the track. Vettel just made a mistake and put himself out,had he made the pass and pushed Mark offline it would have been heralded as "great" move.
Now Redbull can proclaim to the world,"we have no team orders,look what happened between Vettel and Webber."
Thats the irony of F1,no team orders in a team sport,we cant have drivers letting their teammates by for a win!
I'm begining to feel like Scherf,not giving a damn for a sport I've followed since the mid 70's.
PS: Mazz ya made me laugh again, :aok, I'd sure like to give it a try myself,closest was a formula Vee with it's 80 to 100 hp...... :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Looks like Austin may be out... New York may be in for 2012...
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100521/F1/305219998 (http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100521/F1/305219998)
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Looks like Austin may be out... New York may be in for 2012...
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100521/F1/305219998 (http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100521/F1/305219998)
Interesting, but I'd say just the opposite is true.
After reading both articles, the one from Autoweek, and this one (http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html) from the official F1 website. It appears that they where both trying to get the US Grand Prix, but in the end Bernie picked Austin.
From Autoweek, dated 5-24
Straus and MMC chairman Bill McMichael met with Ecclestone a few months ago to talk about hosting a Grand Prix
this is a story from an unofficial source, that says they where negotiating for it a 'few months ago' and that no agreement was reached.
From Formula1.com, dated one day later 5-25
Formula One World Championship Limited and Formula One Administration Limited (together, the F1 Commercial Rights Holder) and Full Throttle Productions, LP, promoter of the Formula 1 United States Grand Prix™, announce that a historic agreement has been reached for Austin, Texas to serve as the host city of the Formula 1 United States Grand Prix™ for years 2012 through 2021.
This is an official announcement of an agreement reached on their official website.
Sorry New Yorkers, but it looks like Bernie likes Texas better.
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Interesting, but I'd say just the opposite is true.
After reading both articles, the one from Autoweek, and this one (http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html) from the official F1 website. It appears that they where both trying to get the US Grand Prix, but in the end Bernie picked Austin.
From Autoweek, dated 5-24 this is a story from an unofficial source, that says they where negotiating for it a 'few months ago' and that no agreement was reached.
From Formula1.com, dated one day later 5-25 This is an official announcement of an agreement reached on their official website.
Sorry New Yorkers, but it looks like Bernie likes Texas better.
Actually, Ecclestone prefers New York. Much more money to be made there. In his letter to the MMC, Ecclestone stated, "New York is our preferred venue for the USA round of the FIA Formula One World Championship. We hope that you are able to secure the commitments required."
Perhaps Ecclestone will go with Austin (there is a preliminary agreement in place, but no contract has been signed to date), because the finances are in place. However, if he had his druthers, New York is where he would prefer to have the race. New York is the financial center of the world, and it's also the cultural center of the western hemisphere. There's much that appeals to F1 there... However, obtaining support from New York State may be difficult. Our Governor is a lame duck and like California, the budget is in a shambles.
Wherever it is held, an F1 race in the States is a very good thing.
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Hmmm.
Yeah, it makes sense that Bernie would want to have it in New York, it does seem a more logical choice. But perhaps the MMC people weren't able to get it together on their end with their "commitments required."