Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: dirt911 on May 28, 2010, 06:56:00 PM
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I googled it and found that there were around 80,000 built of the T34/76 and the T34/85.However if that's so why would the T85 have the perk price its currently carrying,sure it has an 85mm but it also has a paper turret.So I'm wondering why its even perked at all?
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Production numbers have no influence on perk status in Aces High.
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Really?Then I must ask why is the tiger so highly priced the Firefly's gun beat the L/56 by a long shot,not only that if production doesn't effect the perk price then why was the Firefly's price raised?
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Performance?
wrongway
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Well 25 tons of steel doing 25mph with a 76.2mm QF 17lbr.
Tiger 45 tons of steel with an L/56 doing 23.6 mph.
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Well 25 tons of steel doing 25mph with a 76.2mm QF 17lbr.
Tiger 45 tons of steel with an L/56 doing 23.6 mph.
Now their gun performance,Yes worth a price but by far what we pay for them.
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Its a good tank. Particularly with the way its armour is modeled in the game.
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No not really,ive seen a M8 take more damage than a T85 and plus it has a paper turret.
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No not really,ive seen a M8 take more damage than a T85 and plus it has a paper turret.
and ive shot M8s with HE rounds once and they go big boom like pwetty fiwewahks
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The issue is, and I also agree, the T34x has a turret made of cheese. I've read no where on any T34 model having weak frontal turret armor.
Do not drag the ENY of the Tiger and Firefly into the issues of the T34/85mm. The T34/85 is perked because it is fast, has a good gun, and very good armor ('cept for frontal turret).
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The issue is, and I also agree, the T34x has a turret made of cheese. I've read no where on any T34 model having weak frontal turret armor.
Could it be a shell trap effect from the rounded front? (Dunno - speculating).
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Let me make this very easy. If the T-34/85 wasn't perked would you ever take a Panzer over the T-34/85? I know I wouldn't.
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Let me make this very easy. If the T-34/85 wasn't perked would you ever take a Panzer over the T-34/85? I know I wouldn't.
Why take a Panzer IV H over the M4A3(76)?
Does the Panzer IV H have some reason to be the top tank? How about the M4A3(76)? That has a better K/D ratio than the T-34/85 and is free.
Unless the T-34/85 is superior it should not be perked. If the Panzer IV H is inferior to the T-34/85 and M4A3(76) the reasons to take it would be one of the following: 1) you like the Panzer IV H better 2) you want to earn more vehicle perks per kill, but find the guns on the T-34/76 and M4A3(75) too weak and 3) due to ENY limitations you can't take the T-34/85 or M4A3(76).
Those are, you will note, the same reasons somebody might take a P-40E instead of a P-51D.
If the T-34/85's turret wasn't so weak, I'd have no issue with it being perked.
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Really?Then I must ask why is the tiger so highly priced the Firefly's gun beat the L/56 by a long shot,not only that if production doesn't effect the perk price then why was the Firefly's price raised?
If production numbers would have influence on perk price, the TA 152, Wirbelwind & Ostwind prices would go through the roof...
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If the T-34/85's turret wasn't so weak, I'd have no issue with it being perked.
agreed :aok
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Really?Then I must ask why is the tiger so highly priced the Firefly's gun beat the L/56 by a long shot,not only that if production doesn't effect the perk price then why was the Firefly's price raised?
First off, the L56 out ranges the 17lbr, and upclose, it still wins. The 17lbr is just powerful enough to make it a draw up close (whoever shoots first wins).
And second, the firefly's price was raised because it was far too cheap for how powerful the gun was. That would be like having an 8 perk panther Ausf G. There were hoards of them, and nothing but the tiger, or another firefly had any real chance at long range.
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First off, the L56 out ranges the 17lbr, and upclose, it still wins.
Wins at what? The 17lbr had better pentration than the Tiger's 88mm gun at all ranges when firing similar ammunition in any penetration tables I have ever seen.
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Well last time i checked 85mm rounds didn't bounce off a tigers turret front.Is it a powerful gun,yes it is,does it deserve such a neglegent perk price,No.
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| Tiger I: | K/D Ratio: 3.71 to 1 | Kills: 4993 | Deaths: 1346 |
| Sherman Firefly VC: | K/D Ratio: 2.46 to 1 | Kills: 13189 | Deaths: 5358 |
| M4A3(76): | K/D Ratio: 1.36 to 1 | Kills: 25597 | Deaths: 18813 |
| T-34/85: | K/D Ratio: 1.24 to 1 | Kills: 7318 | Deaths: 5914 |
| Panzer IV H: | K/D Ratio: 0.75 to 1 | Kills: 23560 | Deaths: 31430 |
| T-34/76: | K/D Ratio: 0.51 to 1 | Kills: 2431 | Deaths: 4765 |
| M4A3(75): | K/D Ratio: 0.45 to 1 | Kills: 2614 | Deaths: 5825 |
A few things to note about this data:
1) Panzer IV H usage is higher than it will be going forward as the M4A3(76) was not available for the whole tour.
2) Sherman Firefly VC, M4A3(76) and M4A3(75) tanks probably have a slightly boosted K/D ratio due to the recently fixed bug that was giving extra armor behind the gun mantlet.
3) The new found ability for rounds to hit at angles shallower than 70 degrees will have an unknown effect on each tank's K/D ratio.
Those qualifications acknowledged, is there a reason to have the T-34/85 perked and the M4A3(76) free? Wouldn't it be better to have those two tanks as the top free tanks as they seem to be the two most competitive tanks unless we drop all the way back to the M4A3(75) and T-34/76. Having the M4A3(76) and T-34/85 both free, if low ENY, would mean that there are two tanks sharing the top spots rather than one tank dominating it as has always been the case in AH prior to now. This is an opportunity to diversify the tank fights, and it should not be passed on in my opinion.
As I noted earlier in the thread, that leaves the Panzer IV H, M4A3(75) and T-34/76 as tanks to use for perk gathering and for situations in which ENY denies access to the M4A3(76) and T-34/85. It also pushes the Panzer IV H into a new, valuable role, that of a higher ENY tank that actually has a gun that can hope to accomplish something and that gives sides with a moderate ENY limitation a new option. No longer does a moderate ENY penalty have to make your tanks 100% less effective, that can now be tuned and reserved for only extreme ENY penalties.
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Oh I take that back that is an impressive K/D ty for the chart.
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Wins at what? The 17lbr had better pentration than the Tiger's 88mm gun at all ranges when firing similar ammunition in any penetration tables I have ever seen.
The L56 wins because the tiger was better able to withstand the 17lbr shells than the firefly was at resisting those of the L56. And at long range, the shell lacked the weight to maintain its kenetic energy. Kenetic engergy is (1/2 mass*velocity^2) Speed greatly affects kenetic engergy since its squared, and as the round slows down, it relys more and more on mass.