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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Flench on May 30, 2010, 07:28:52 AM
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How many thank it will not be caped ? There is our start of the end in 2012 ? Will it take two year's to kill the sea's ?
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I blame karaya.
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How many thank it will not be caped ? There is our start of the end in 2012 ? Will it take two year's to kill the sea's ?
I see absolutely no way that this oil spill (or any other, for that matter) could 'end the world' (whatever that means, anyway).
It'll either be capped, or it'll fade out on its own.
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I don't see any thing good coming out of it . You will not even be able to buy sea food this time next year and how do you know it will fade ? That pocket is as big as a sea. Good thing I live on a lake , at lest I will have fish to eat .
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It will keep leaking until all the oil from the Middle East eventually seep out. On the bright side, no more drilling. Just scrape the oil off the beach.
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wrongway
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That's sad ... Here is our world sea's going to pot and no way to stop it .. All sea food will taste like oil now for 100 of year's if they do get it caped that's never going to happen . No way to cap that thing ..to deep .
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firstly...it's no "spill'...and that drives me crazy every time I hear the media say that.
secondly...my guess is that other sections of the same pipe were damaged in the destruction...as it was falling..and stress cracks over time will created new and possibly greater leaks. the new theory now is to drill new holes and extract the oil from that...and alleviate the pressure from the leak they cannot contain. in other words...it could go on for generations.
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I'm afraid this is going to keep leaking till the relief wells are dug... so till August or September :(
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Your right ZetaNine , It's no spill ! It's a river !!!! If this go's on another month it will kill the sea ..There go's my trip to the beach this year .
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Kill the sea? really?
One would have to ignore the fact that there are many microorganisms that EAT oil living in the sea.
That is one of the methods used to clean the oil. Dispersant chemicals create small oil attractive particles and the microorganisms eat the result.
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How come the seas didn't die from IXTOC?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixtoc_I_oil_spill
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How come the seas didn't die when German and American submarines were punching holes in oil tankers on a daily basis?
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I'm afraid this is going to keep leaking till the relief wells are dug... so till August or September :(
yeah thats what I'm thinking, should be easier to cap when the relief wells are in place. still not sure why the BOP valves cant be used to choke the flow, I guess they were damaged?
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How come the seas didn't die when German and American submarines were punching holes in oil tankers on a daily basis?
Because it was not a none stop river of oil .
Yes , the BOP valves were and are damaged .
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This leak will be capped. Oil exploration under water will have to be continued if we want to live at our current standard of living. There is no alternative until alternative technologies are vetted and come on line to make up the difference in using fossil fuels.
As for all the other thoughts of it being a never ending disaster, you sound just like the doomsayers on the news. Making a comment without remotely considering the implications or education behind what was just said.
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Because it was not a none stop river of oil .
Yes , the BOP valves were and are damaged .
What about IXTOC?
Nine months at a much higher rate than Deepwater Horizon. 140 Million gallons. A river of oil.
Seas didn't die.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v290/n5803/abs/290235a0.html
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Kill the sea? really?
One would have to ignore the fact that there are many microorganisms that EAT oil living in the sea.
That is one of the methods used to clean the oil. Dispersant chemicals create small oil attractive particles and the microorganisms eat the result.
Yes, but it is killing all the shrimp, and what happens when it moves to the Atlantic?
-BigBOBCH
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No , but they did get it capped and I bet the fish aroud that site taste like oil . Have any of you eating fish out of the mississippi river back in the 80's ? You would know that taste . I know the boat's on the river use to dump there oil in it when they changed it and it made the fish taste like it too before a law was passed to stop it .This I do know and this is for real !
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Kill the sea? really?
One would have to ignore the fact that there are many microorganisms that EAT oil living in the sea.
That is one of the methods used to clean the oil. Dispersant chemicals create small oil attractive particles and the microorganisms eat the result.
Funny...don't buy into the company line so much. Those very dispersant chemicals are recently being show to kill phytoplankton and zooplankton (meroplankton). It's also been show to inhibit Psuedomonas life cycle, the primary group of microorganism you are referring to.
And, there are not "many" microorganisms that eat oil. There are a few, and those are incredibly specialized with the proper enzymes to break the carbon chains into usable sizes. Crude oil isn't, after all, an abundant food source normally. Though, one could make an argument that we are creating a selective pressure for the adaptation of just that ability, over the past 100 years or so.
The main impact will be to the marshes and estuarine fisheries of the gulf. Unless, that is, a large amount of oil hits the loop current and gets pushed into the Florida Keys. Given the stressors already present on the reefs there (water is already hot, and bleaching has started early- also a lot of disease vectors present currently on Acroporid corals), a large influx of heavy oil into that system could very well collapse the coral communities past any foreseeable recovery.
And, given that some genus', Acroporids in particular, are already at about 5% of historical abundance in many locations, it won't take much.
The IXTOC spill never had a chance to reach the reef system in any major concentration, due to the currents of the Gulf that took it the long way around, and actually concentrated it around Texas. This spill (Deepwater Horizon) has a pretty direct line to the Keys.
Old TOPEX showing gulf current structure
(http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/earth/current-2-browse.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/20/article-1279881-09AAC0BB000005DC-318_634x703.jpg)
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What about IXTOC?
Nine months at a much higher rate than Deepwater Horizon. 140 Million gallons. A river of oil.
Seas didn't die.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v290/n5803/abs/290235a0.html
funny thing IXTOC is the mayan word for blow out. I guess BP shouldda named theirs the sure ixtoc.
semp
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From that loop current map it look's like the oil would be going to cuba ? I'm with James Carville on this one .
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Chicken Little.
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Just wait untill they get the top cut off . You think it's bad now just wait .
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I'm afraid this is going to keep leaking till the relief wells are dug... so till August or September :(
Alas, yup
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Yes, but it is killing all the shrimp, and what happens when it moves to the Atlantic?
-BigBOBCH
The majority of the shrimp is caught west of the oil. Its not going to effect it that bad. Fishing east of the delta will be.
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If BP would just send the BS they're feeding to the public, down the pipe, the well would be plugged in seconds.
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Never let a disaster go to waste. There is a company that is designed to handle disasters like this and yet they have not been called in. Its obvious why. :old:
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One thing I find interesting...
It is summer, gas prices usually go up due to "increased consumption" this time of the year. Usually whenever someone looks at another the wrong way,gas prices go up. However, with this large spill, gas prices have dropped drastically in a few weeks.
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I cannot believe no one has called Chuck Norris in! WTF?! :headscratch:
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One thing I find interesting...
It is summer, gas prices usually go up due to "increased consumption" this time of the year. Usually whenever someone looks at another the wrong way,gas prices go up. However, with this large spill, gas prices have dropped drastically in a few weeks.
Wrong. Summer has the least consumption. Gas always goes down in summer. Winter, when fuel oil is in demand, is when gas prices go up.
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I bet when it gets capped price of fuel will skyrocket because they will , well they will come up with some thing . I would allmost put money on it . That fuel will be 5 buck's a gallon this time next year .
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Wrong. Summer has the least consumption. Gas always goes down in summer. Winter, when fuel oil is in demand, is when gas prices go up.
It was about 2 years ago that gas hit $4 a gallon in the late summer here in Alabama and stayed there for a while. Last year we went over $3 for a few weeks. This year we are actually backing down the cost per gallon which is good...however down along the gulf coast it was over $3 a gallon just 2 weeks ago when I was down there on business.
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Wrong. Summer has the least consumption. Gas always goes down in summer. Winter, when fuel oil is in demand, is when gas prices go up.
Gasoline consumption is higher during warmer months than colder months. Oil consumption as a whole is higher during colder months. Hence the reason for a rise in gas prices.
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Well , LP is $2.50 a gallon as of today . See what it is this time next year ..
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Current estimates of the amount of oil being discharged range from 12,000–100,000 barrels (500,000–4,200,000 US gallons; 1,900,000–16,000,000 litres) per day. The preliminary best estimate that was released on May 27 by the semi-official Flow Rate Technical Group put the volume of oil flowing from the blown-out well at 12,000 to 19,000 barrels (500,000 to 800,000 US gallons; 1,900,000 to 3,000,000 litres) per day, which had amounted to between 440,000 and 700,000 barrels (18,000,000 and 29,000,000 US gallons; 70,000,000 and 111,000,000 litres) as of that date...
compared to the Ixtoc I oil spill
In the initial stages of the spill, an estimated 30,000 barrels of oil per day were flowing from the well. In July 1979, the pumping of mud into the well reduced the flow to 20,000 barrels per day, and early in August the pumping of nearly 100,000 steel, iron, and lead balls into the well reduced the flow to 10,000 barrels per day. Pemex claimed that half of the released oil burned when it reached the surface, a third of it evaporated, and the rest was contained or dispersed.[6] Mexican authorities also drilled two relief wells into the main well to lower the pressure of the blowout, however the oil continued to flow for three months following the completion of the first relief well.
Pemex contracted Conair Aviation to spray the chemical dispersant Corexit 9527 on the oil. A total of 493 aerial missions were flown, treating 1,100 square miles of oil slick. Dispersants were not used in the U.S. area of the spill because of the dispersant's inability to treat weathered oil. Eventually the on-scene coordinator (OSC) requested that Mexico stop using dispersants north of 25°N.
In Texas, an emphasis was placed on coastal countermeasures protecting the bays and lagoons formed by the barrier islands. Impacts of oil to the barrier island beaches were ranked as second in importance to protecting inlets to the bays and lagoons. This was done with the placement of skimmers and booms. Efforts were concentrated on the Brazos-Santiago Pass, Port Mansfield Channel, Aransas Pass, and Cedar Bayou which during the course of the spill was sealed with sand. Economically and environmentally sensitive barrier island beaches were cleaned daily. Laborers used rakes and shovels to clean beaches rather than heavier equipment which removed too much sand. Ultimately, 71,500 barrels of oil impacted 162 miles of U.S. beaches, and over 10,000 cubic yards of oiled material were removed.
What about IXTOC?
Nine months at a much higher rate than Deepwater Horizon. 140 Million gallons. A river of oil.
Seas didn't die.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v290/n5803/abs/290235a0.html
where did you find 140 MILLION gallons dawger?
2: Sea life will not die out, it will adapt like it always has...Sadly, this adaptation will cause the death of thousands of sea animals let alone birds and land animals or amphibians on the shore. experts are saying it will impact hundreds of bird species alone...
3: On May 19, scientists monitoring the spill with the European Space Agency Envisat radar satellite stated that oil reached the Loop Current, which flows clockwise around the Gulf of Mexico towards Florida, and may reach Florida within 6 days. The scientists warn that because the Loop Current is a very intense, deep ocean current, its turbulent waters will accelerate the mixing of the oil and water in the coming days. "This might remove the oil film on the surface and prevent us from tracking it with satellites, but the pollution is likely to affect the coral reef marine ecosystem". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration acknowledged, on May 19, that "a small portion of the oil slick has reached the Loop Current in the form of light to very light sheens."
4: BP has not allowed independant scientists to accurately determine the true oil leak amount and has downplayed it from the start of the incident.
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The oil spill is not the end of the world. Bad for the ocean yes but not earth shattering. Some fear mongering people will make it seem like it is though.
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(http://i.imgur.com/J2cox.jpg)
That is really not funny.
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That is really not funny.
actualy it is :rofl
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That is really not funny.
it kind of is hilarious actually but at the same time has a true point that needs taking to heart :aok
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Wrong. Summer has the least consumption. Gas always goes down in summer. Winter, when fuel oil is in demand, is when gas prices go up.
From my experience that's not the way gas prices work over here on the West Coast. Besides most of this side of the country being piped with natural gas for home needs (or propane via truck delivery to your own tank), gas prices are at their lowest usualy in the winter (if the companies can't find some reason to jack them up of cource... I am very suspect that the recent east coast heating oil shortages were purely investor-made. By now (this passing holiday weekend to be exact), they shoulda jumped at least 0.25 cents to the gallon if we are to believe the BS oil companies have always fed us about the demand skyrocketing up due to summer recreation (and histroicaly jsutifying a 0.25-1.00 spike in gas prices. They also ream us when they change from winter to summer mixtures over here too... this is frakin So-Cal, our temperature difference between summer and winter is 30 degrees avg., having to change blends (and charge us consumers up the yang when it does) to a different winter blend of gas makes as much sence to me out here as if they required us to use ethenol in hydrolic lines for fear they'd freeze and clog up in the winter.
I don't trust the oil companies and this episode is just another clear example of why. I can list lots of reasons why the gas prices shoulda jumped up this year in Cali like they usually do around this time (vehicle ownership is up, more gas guzzling older cars are being kept around longer than previously estimated consumers would, we had a massive tanker fire that shut down half a MAJOR freeway for almost an entire day last week, the northern half of our state is having a very late winter... the wine vinyards are still in May and June now fighting sudden frost snaps). And this year a lot more people took off outa town for the holday than stuck around the past few years due to the ecenomy.
And this is my main gripe about the home heating oil shortage on the East coast recently... I don't understand how there was really a shortage. People being tight on money and not buying it until the last possible minute in hopes of prices dropping soon I can understand (the same is done over here with propane purchases, when ya see a price drop its time to try and score a cheap refil). But I have minimal oil refining knowledge, but as I understand the process, when you make one grade/product of petroleum for consumtion, at the same time don't you make multiple other products based on different grades extracted from the processed crude? Or can you only make one type of grade at any given time and not produce anyhting else outa the crude? IE: for each 50-gal barrel of crude you can extract 5 gal of jet-grade petrol, 15 gal of auto-grade, 10 gal of diesel grade, etc. So in short, if they're processing the crude, and there are no shortages of the rest of the grades of oil products but a severe shortage in one grade... that's what doesn't add up to me in the slightest.
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It will be sealed or made dead, August at the latest. The relief holes will kill the pressure than it can be sealed properly. They will not let this go on forever.
A "low yield" nuke would solve it quick :aok
Accidents happen, we all like to drive and wear shoes and stay warm and ski and sled and eat and cook and etc. etc. It is not a perfect world and we have no instruction on how to power it! All of humanity is making it up as we go along :aok so mistakes are inevitable. It will be closed, many animals will die many tourists will have to go elsewhere and even swimming will be delayed but it will all be OK and your fish will taste fine :aok :aok
Humans are NOT so terrible, at least we don't eat each other :aok :aok :bolt:
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A "low yield" nuke would solve it quick :aok
a low yield nuke would just cause a new set of problems... a.k.a. nuclear aqua fallout and the blast itself would kill anything underwater for miles. granted the radiation would dissipate fast in the water currents
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(http://www.cruisebruise.com/gulf_of_mexico_oil_platorms.jpg)
The Oil Companies will never stop drilling offshore.
There is no way to stop them.
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http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/bp-oil-spill-cold-open/1228147/ (http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/bp-oil-spill-cold-open/1228147/)
Some good solutions! :D
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See Rule #14
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A 500 lber would not be strong enough at that depth unless it was very close to the well to be effective and so close at that depth that it would likely create another way for the oil to flow up the same well.
The Russians used a nuke to close a well before in Uzbekistan but it wasnt 5000 feet underwater. A nuke at that depth has almost zero function outside of pressure and there is already enough pressure to overwhelm any device the government would be likely to allow. Also they would have to place the device even further below the surface to pinch the well closed far underground (say 18000 feet). At that depth if they are using a 10-50 ton weapon (like the shoulder-fired nukes... which BTW are no longer in the inventory) it would have to be within 80-160 feet to be effective and even less likely to succeed at that pressure depth. They can go with a larger device and they can aim for less depth all of which increase the possibility of side events and are less likely to succeed without making the situation worse.
They can blame BP all they want but this kind of thing was inevitable the minute some moron listened to an environmentalist and moved these things so far off shore. Stupid. THEY should pay for this mess.
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You run it down the pipe , (inside) it will work ...We have hit high presure water drilling for water and have done it with one stick . How thick they say the pipe was ? Just one inch .. Maybe set a bunch of small charges off going down the pipe like every 100 meters .
I don't blame BP as much as I do our leaders .
On another note but same subject . I was on the big lake yesterday and you could see oil on top of the water just from this past weekend of boat's. Go's to show how much oil is leaking from the boat's motor's .
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What makes me PO-ed is etc. removed so skuzzy doesnt have to
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You run it down the pipe , (inside) it will work ...We have hit high presure water drilling for water and have done it with one stick . How thick they say the pipe was ? Just one inch .. Maybe set a bunch of small charges off going down the pipe like every 100 meters .
I don't blame BP as much as I do our leaders .
On another note but same subject . I was on the big lake yesterday and you could see oil on top of the water just from this past weekend of boat's. Go's to show how much oil is leaking from the boat's motor's .
There's a reason why some reservoirs don't allow motorcraft.
And If you don't blame BP for this mess then you should read up on what originaly caused this blowout and the sinking of the original drilling rig before you choose a side that commited ignorant manslaughter (it'll disgust any man that has worked or can relate to those that work in a dangerous industry where those that don't get their hands dirty make the calls that can lead to life or saving a few pennies). Yeah it's an environmental nightmare, but I'm more erked and discusted that some (BP-) moron got a bunch of inocent and hard working men killed in the process to cut a buck. There's a reason why BP has long-started paying most of the reasonable claims without any fight.
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Well . How much more is it going to take to close this thing ? Our sea will be dead pretty fast at this rate ..
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well they are now capturing 15,000 barrels/day (80%?) so although its not fixed, its getting there.
And If you blame BP for this mess then you should read up on what originaly caused this blowout and the sinking of the original drilling rig ...
fixed :)
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From watching the live video , I don't think they are getting any of it . They are trying to pull a fast one . If you watch it you can see the cap just bouncing all over the place . That cap is to big and it is not doing anything . I would have to see the oil going in the boat to make me think other wize .
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(http://www.cruisebruise.com/gulf_of_mexico_oil_platorms.jpg)
The Oil Companies will never stop drilling offshore.
There is no way to stop them.
Nor would we want to. If the economy EVER cranks back up, we'll need every drop of that and more. As it is, the moratorium is causing companies to shut down exploratory operations and move to other parts of the world, putting untold thousands out of work in the gulf, on top of the fishermen and resort people who have already lost their livlihoods. Even Mary Landrieu is against the moratorium. Would be nice if we could replace oil right NOW, but it's not forthcoming
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And If you don't blame BP for this mess then you should read up on what originaly caused this blowout and the sinking of the original drilling rig before you choose a side that commited ignorant manslaughter (it'll disgust any man that has worked or can relate to those that work in a dangerous industry where those that don't get their hands dirty make the calls that can lead to life or saving a few pennies). Yeah it's an environmental nightmare, but I'm more erked and discusted that some (BP-) moron got a bunch of inocent and hard working men killed in the process to cut a buck. There's a reason why BP has long-started paying most of the reasonable claims without any fight.
You might want to ask yourself who is ultimately responsible for the safe operation of an installation. You know, the guy whose job it is to say, 'Nope, I don't care about the consequences; we cannot and will not do that - it's not safe.'
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News flash just in:
BP stopped the leak!
According to unknown sources, a pair of large metal rings was placed over the leak. The first gold colored band was fitted with a huge, meticulously cut rock for ballast. While the installation of the first ring actually increased the flow, the final placement of the second ring, which was also laden with heavy stones, caused the the expected result of immediately ceasing to put out.
See images below:
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/gold_solitaire_engagement_wedding_r.jpg)
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Whoever makes fun of this oil leak it is not to be joking about. it is serious man. Ive seen the effects of exxon valdez oil spill. it was bad very bad, beaches still recovering to this day. No compensation to the businesses and fishermen in the area and in alaska. nothing at all just a i dont give a crap attitude from exxon. America desperately needs another resource of energy. condolences to the people and wildlife of the gulf coast.
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News flash just in:
BP stopped the leak!
According to unknown sources, a pair of large metal rings was placed over the leak. The first gold colored band was fitted with a huge, meticulously cut rock for ballast. While the installation of the first ring actually increased the flow, the final placement of the second ring, which was also laden with heavy stones, caused the the expected result of immediately ceasing to put out.
See images below:
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/gold_solitaire_engagement_wedding_r.jpg)
nice dude... that was a jerk move. This is a serious topic that can and will affect alot for years to come
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News flash just in:
BP stopped the leak!
According to unknown sources, a pair of large metal rings was placed over the leak. The first gold colored band was fitted with a huge, meticulously cut rock for ballast. While the installation of the first ring actually increased the flow, the final placement of the second ring, which was also laden with heavy stones, caused the the expected result of immediately ceasing to put out.
See images below:
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/gold_solitaire_engagement_wedding_r.jpg)
Dragon, grow up.
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It gets better--amid crashing stock due to the spill/ criticism rumors going around in financial circles that BP might go belly up, declare bankruptcy. (25% of BP is owned by US stockholders, pension funds, etc) China is the most likely candidate to buy up their gulf operations, if that happens
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Actually 39% of BP is US owned, 40% is British and the rest is spread around the world.
The field itself is a joint venture between BP (65%), Anadarko, a US oil company (25%) and Mitsui of Japan (10%). As Anadarko is almost wholly US owned, US investors (principally pension funds) own more than half of the field.
Well . How much more is it going to take to close this thing ? Our sea will be dead pretty fast at this rate .
The last time a catastrophic blowout like this happened it was in 1979. The Ixtoc I well off the coast of Mexico, in 500 ft of water, suffered a blowout. It put out oil at a similar rate but it took 10 months for them to plug the well. The Mexican government claimed immunity and didn't pay any compensation.
BP began drilling 2 relief wells as soon as possible after the accident. The first of those should be completed in early August. The relief wells should allow them to stop the leak completely.
I'd be very surprised if the current spill adds up to more than a third of Ixtoc 1.
And If you don't blame BP for this mess then you should read up on what originaly caused this blowout and the sinking of the original drilling rig before you choose a side that commited ignorant manslaughter (it'll disgust any man that has worked or can relate to those that work in a dangerous industry where those that don't get their hands dirty make the calls that can lead to life or saving a few pennies).
BP leased a rig from Transocean. Transocean not only owned the rig and BOP, their staff manned the rig. The ultimate authority wasn't BP, it was the senior Transocean man on board. That's what the contract called for.
BP were the customer. They paid Transocean a daily rate. That means it was in Transocean's interests to take as long as possible and BP's to get things finished as quickly as possible. That's bound to lead to disputes, of course, and BP were bound to ask for quicker ways of doing things. But BP could only ask, the operation was under Transocean's control.
A lot of Transocean equipment failed in this disaster. Things like the BOP are supposed to be regularly inspected and fail-safe. BP had nothing to do with the supply or maintenance of that equipment.
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been reading a little about the 1969 Convention on Civil Liability for Oil Pollution, states that the ship's owners are wholly liable for any spills, regardless of cause. makes me wonder if the only reason BP are paying out at the moment is for PR purposes (ie. to protect their valuation). may be too late though, about £60bn has been wiped off BP's capitalisation since this all began. this is turning into a really nasty business onshore as well as offshore ...
personally I'm waiting for BP's price to bottom out, might be worth a punt.
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nice dude... that was a jerk move. This is a serious topic that can and will affect alot for years to come
Dragon, grow up.
OMG, lighten up Francis.
I just spent just short of 4 grand to send my daughter to New Orleans :airplane: to help with the clean-up efforts. She is leaving in 3 weeks and spending 9 days away from home. She really wanted to do this because we raised our kids to care. She will be involved with the oil issue as well as helping rebuild structures destroyed by Katrina.
I believe our investment into these disasters outweighs any kind of crap or opinions you have to offer.
She is 14 years old and is giving her time and effort for absolutely nothing in return except the knowledge that she helped, which it a lot more than anyone on these boards is willing to do.
Have a wonderful day.
Dragon
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Actually 39% of BP is US owned, 40% is British and the rest is spread around the world.
The field itself is a joint venture between BP (65%), Anadarko, a US oil company (25%) and Mitsui of Japan (10%). As Anadarko is almost wholly US owned, US investors (principally pension funds) own more than half of the field.
The last time a catastrophic blowout like this happened it was in 1979. The Ixtoc I well off the coast of Mexico, in 500 ft of water, suffered a blowout. It put out oil at a similar rate but it took 10 months for them to plug the well. The Mexican government claimed immunity and didn't pay any compensation.
BP began drilling 2 relief wells as soon as possible after the accident. The first of those should be completed in early August. The relief wells should allow them to stop the leak completely.
I'd be very surprised if the current spill adds up to more than a third of Ixtoc 1.
BP leased a rig from Transocean. Transocean not only owned the rig and BOP, their staff manned the rig. The ultimate authority wasn't BP, it was the senior Transocean man on board. That's what the contract called for.
BP were the customer. They paid Transocean a daily rate. That means it was in Transocean's interests to take as long as possible and BP's to get things finished as quickly as possible. That's bound to lead to disputes, of course, and BP were bound to ask for quicker ways of doing things. But BP could only ask, the operation was under Transocean's control.
A lot of Transocean equipment failed in this disaster. Things like the BOP are supposed to be regularly inspected and fail-safe. BP had nothing to do with the supply or maintenance of that equipment.
Ixtoc I spill pumped out only 3 tenths of what the Deep Water Horizon is pumping out. look at the info i said on June 1st. and READ IT ALL...
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Current estimates of the amount of oil being discharged range from 12,000–100,000 barrels (500,000–4,200,000 US gallons; 1,900,000–16,000,000 litres) per day. The preliminary best estimate that was released on May 27 by the semi-official Flow Rate Technical Group put the volume of oil flowing from the blown-out well at 12,000 to 19,000 barrels (500,000 to 800,000 US gallons; 1,900,000 to 3,000,000 litres) per day, which had amounted to between 440,000 and 700,000 barrels (18,000,000 and 29,000,000 US gallons; 70,000,000 and 111,000,000 litres) as of that date... This discharge rate has hit well above the Flow Rate Tech Group's amount. it is around the 100,000 barrels now in much more accurate tests
compared to the Ixtoc I oil spill
In the initial stages of the spill, an estimated 30,000 barrels of oil per day were flowing from the well. In July 1979, the pumping of mud into the well reduced the flow to 20,000 barrels per day, and early in August the pumping of nearly 100,000 steel, iron, and lead balls into the well reduced the flow to 10,000 barrels per day. Pemex claimed that half of the released oil burned when it reached the surface, a third of it evaporated, and the rest was contained or dispersed.[6] Mexican authorities also drilled two relief wells into the main well to lower the pressure of the blowout, however the oil continued to flow for three months following the completion of the first relief well.
Pemex contracted Conair Aviation to spray the chemical dispersant Corexit 9527 on the oil. A total of 493 aerial missions were flown, treating 1,100 square miles of oil slick. Dispersants were not used in the U.S. area of the spill because of the dispersant's inability to treat weathered oil. Eventually the on-scene coordinator (OSC) requested that Mexico stop using dispersants north of 25°N.
In Texas, an emphasis was placed on coastal countermeasures protecting the bays and lagoons formed by the barrier islands. Impacts of oil to the barrier island beaches were ranked as second in importance to protecting inlets to the bays and lagoons. This was done with the placement of skimmers and booms. Efforts were concentrated on the Brazos-Santiago Pass, Port Mansfield Channel, Aransas Pass, and Cedar Bayou which during the course of the spill was sealed with sand. Economically and environmentally sensitive barrier island beaches were cleaned daily. Laborers used rakes and shovels to clean beaches rather than heavier equipment which removed too much sand. Ultimately, 71,500 barrels of oil impacted 162 miles of U.S. beaches, and over 10,000 cubic yards of oiled material were removed.
Quote from: Dawger on May 30, 2010, 10:19:42 AM
What about IXTOC?
Nine months at a much higher rate than Deepwater Horizon. 140 Million gallons. A river of oil.
Seas didn't die.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v290/n5803/abs/290235a0.html
where did you find 140 MILLION gallons dawger?
2: Sea life will not die out, it will adapt like it always has...Sadly, this adaptation will cause the death of thousands of sea animals let alone birds and land animals or amphibians on the shore. experts are saying it will impact hundreds of bird species alone...
3: On May 19, scientists monitoring the spill with the European Space Agency Envisat radar satellite stated that oil reached the Loop Current, which flows clockwise around the Gulf of Mexico towards Florida, and may reach Florida within 6 days. The scientists warn that because the Loop Current is a very intense, deep ocean current, its turbulent waters will accelerate the mixing of the oil and water in the coming days. "This might remove the oil film on the surface and prevent us from tracking it with satellites, but the pollution is likely to affect the coral reef marine ecosystem". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration acknowledged, on May 19, that "a small portion of the oil slick has reached the Loop Current in the form of light to very light sheens."
4: BP has not allowed independant scientists to accurately determine the true oil leak amount and has downplayed it from the start of the incident.
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----Now you do the math between the oil spill from Ixtoc I and the DWH spill. 3 months of spillage from DWH will create 378,000,000 gallons of spillage to add onto the 29,000,000 that BP stated as a form of cover for the 100,000 gallons flowing.
that would mean adding in the 36 days since the explosion it would actually amount to approximately 510,000,000 gallons of oil from 4 months of steady flow if it does not end by this August
compared to 10 months for the Ixtoc I's 30,000 barrels instead of 100,000 and only 378,000,000 gallons of oil from the Ixtoc which most burned off or dissipated or was contained in TEN months. a.k.a. the DWH will pump more oil out in 3 months than the Ixtoc I did in ten months.
and just because BP says theyll have it contained in August, doesn't mean that they will.
the Ixtoc was in 500ft of water, the DWH is in 5,000ft. relief wells are a way to slow the leak, they will still need to repair the leak after the two relief wells are in place. that will also take time. by then the oil will hit the Gulf Stream and go up the coast.
So after 4 months of rigging relief wells and possibly up to another 2-6 to fix the leak...well that would just be too much math for my head. add 510,000,000 to whatever decrease in flow and you could possibly amount over a figure of 1 billion gallons of oil before it stops.
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most of what i stated above is quoted exactly from what i said earlier on June 1st. Read it... its all hard facts i took from everywhere i could
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there are no hard facts for this spill. Nothing but press releases and changing numbers.
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This discharge rate has hit well above the Flow Rate Tech Group's amount. it is around the 100,000 barrels now in much more accurate tests
Sorry but I haven't seen any reputable figures that high. The latest estimate from the US Geological Survey is 20,000 - 40,000 barrels a day.
Whilst there's speculation that might have increased since the pipe was cut, the amount being captured is now up to nearly 16,000 barrels a day. BP hope to raise that to 28,000 barrels a day next week.
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And one more thing . If you guy's think that drilling the other hole's to hit that one IS NOT GOING TO WORK ! I think BP is using us just to get another well down to take the place of the one that went bad . They mite hit the same pocket of oil but it's not going to stop the leak .
We need the Army to step in and take over . We are at war !
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And one more thing . If you guy's think that drilling the other hole's to hit that one IS NOT GOING TO WORK ! I think BP is using us just to get another well down to take the place of the one that went bad .
BP is paying for both relief wells, so I don't see how it's using anybody.
They mite hit the same pocket of oil but it's not going to stop the leak .
It certainly should stop the leak. Bottom killing is the most reliable way to do so.
It should be quicker than Ixtoc 1, too, because modern methods are more accurate they can get the relief wells closer to the original.
We need the Army to step in and take over . We are at war !
How much experience of drilling for oil does the US army have?
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READ IT ALL...
Caps not good enough! Must SUPERSIZE!!
Why do feel that you have to resort to 30 point text for emphasis? Get a grip.
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BP leased a rig from Transocean. Transocean not only owned the rig and BOP, their staff manned the rig. The ultimate authority wasn't BP, it was the senior Transocean man on board. That's what the contract called for.
BP were the customer. They paid Transocean a daily rate. That means it was in Transocean's interests to take as long as possible and BP's to get things finished as quickly as possible. That's bound to lead to disputes, of course, and BP were bound to ask for quicker ways of doing things. But BP could only ask, the operation was under Transocean's control.
A lot of Transocean equipment failed in this disaster. Things like the BOP are supposed to be regularly inspected and fail-safe. BP had nothing to do with the supply or maintenance of that equipment.
There you go again Nashwan - spoiling a perfectly good lynching with facts. Damn you!! :lol
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<< BP shareholder as of this morning. 371p bargain :aok
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Caps not good enough! Must SUPERSIZE!!
Why do feel that you have to resort to 30 point text for emphasis? Get a grip.
mainly because mobody ever chooses to read the paragraphs that take more than 30 seconds to read? and akh who are you? i've never seen you before except in the O-Club, not even in the General Discussion or anything
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been reading a little about the 1969 Convention on Civil Liability for Oil Pollution, states that the ship's owners are wholly liable for any spills, regardless of cause. makes me wonder if the only reason BP are paying out at the moment is for PR purposes (ie. to protect their valuation). may be too late though, about £60bn has been wiped off BP's capitalisation since this all began. this is turning into a really nasty business onshore as well as offshore ...
personally I'm waiting for BP's price to bottom out, might be worth a punt.
BP are legally obliged to deal with the initial costs. When responsibility and liability have been established, they will sue to recover as much as possible. This is why Transocean are attempting to limit their liability.
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mainly because mobody ever chooses to read the paragraphs that take more than 30 seconds to read? and akh who are you? i've never seen you before except in the O-Club, not even in the General Discussion or anything
Most people skip walls o' text.
Who am I? Do you have any idea how pathetic that sounds?
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Most people skip walls o' text.
Who am I? Do you have any idea how pathetic that sounds?
i seriously dont know you :lol i'm just trying to figure out who you are man. No offense meant. i never see you in game.
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Most people skip walls o' text.
Who am I? Do you have any idea how pathetic that sounds?
And most communications these days are in the form of abreviated txt messages by a generation so lazy I doubt most have ever cleaned their own toilet... it's not a good downward trend.
And look down, I think you dropped a little of your ego on the floor. Seriously, who are you kid?
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Talk about jumping to conclusions :rolleyes:
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ok so obviously you're AKHoopy from your sig, but i've never seen that name and have you flown under other names?
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what does this have to do with the oil spill? :headscratch:
edit: back OT
BP are legally obliged to deal with the initial costs. When responsibility and liability have been established, they will sue to recover as much as possible. This is why Transocean are attempting to limit their liability.
Is that because of BP's contract for the drilling rights? trying to work out roughly what BP's liability will be all told. pretty sure theres an IMF grant of about $1bn for oil spills too.
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ok so obviously you're AKHoopy from your sig, but i've never seen that name and have you flown under other names?
Likewise, no offence intended, but this thread is not the place for such questions. Use the search facility or PM me if you are really that interested.
Is that because of BP's contract for the drilling rights? trying to work out roughly what BP's liability will be all told. pretty sure theres an IMF grant of about $1bn for oil spills too.
The short answer is yes, since I believe that this is covered by the Oil Pollution Act of 1990, which states:
§1002(a) Provides that the responsible party for a vessel or facility from which oil is discharged, or which poses a substantial threat of a discharge, is liable for: (1) certain specified damages resulting from the discharged oil; and (2) removal costs incurred in a manner consistent with the National Contingency Plan (NCP).
I would imagine that BPs contract with the Minerals Management Service (MMS) will state that BP is to be the responsible party with respect to the OPA. However, a further clause of the act states:
§1002(d) Provides that if a responsible party can establish that the removal costs and damages resulting from an incident were caused solely by an act or omission by a third party, the third party will be held liable for such costs and damages.
You will note that BP have accepted responsibility for the initial damages and cleanup, but have always insisted that they are not responsible for the accident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWJTAkyp46Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWJTAkyp46Y)
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Just heard that two shore birds where spotted in Kansas cover in oil. highly dout that they can from the BP oil.
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Well , I wounder what the next step is going to be ? Tuesday , will tell I hope . I still think we should blow it . Why can't they screw a cap on it and close a valve ?
BP at work !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM
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Is this too simple// Would it really work.
http://www.wimp.com/solutionoil/
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You just saw it work! :D
Cotton works too and so does hemp but the problem is getting hay/cotton/hemp to the site and covering the problem area (and there has to be thousands of square miles of oil) and then pulling it out again. Then you still have to plug the leak.
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If the relief wells don't work it could continue spouting for decades just like those natural gas explosions in russia and argentinia.
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A 500 lber would not be strong enough at that depth unless it was very close to the well to be effective and so close at that depth that it would likely create another way for the oil to flow up the same well.
The Russians used a nuke to close a well before in Uzbekistan but it wasnt 5000 feet underwater. A nuke at that depth has almost zero function outside of pressure and there is already enough pressure to overwhelm any device the government would be likely to allow. Also they would have to place the device even further below the surface to pinch the well closed far underground (say 18000 feet). At that depth if they are using a 10-50 ton weapon (like the shoulder-fired nukes... which BTW are no longer in the inventory) it would have to be within 80-160 feet to be effective and even less likely to succeed at that pressure depth. They can go with a larger device and they can aim for less depth all of which increase the possibility of side events and are less likely to succeed without making the situation worse.
They can blame BP all they want but this kind of thing was inevitable the minute some moron listened to an environmentalist and moved these things so far off shore. Stupid. THEY should pay for this mess.
Please provide proof of this nuke blast to close a well in Uzbekistan
Because the only link that I have found with any credibility states that only two nuke were ever detonated in Uzbekistan
Near as I can tell they were on an island used for biological testing too so the chances of a blow out well on the island is VERY low.
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You run it down the pipe , (inside) it will work ...We have hit high presure water drilling for water and have done it with one stick . How thick they say the pipe was ? Just one inch .. Maybe set a bunch of small charges off going down the pipe like every 100 meters .
What was the formation you were drilling in and what was the pressures?
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Im not sure this would work. Blowing it up that is ... If it creates even one spot were oil can leak out It would be a even bigger disaster........