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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: jay on June 01, 2010, 09:04:13 AM
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if our information is so "private" why do they want it?
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To determine where the gubment money trickles to............
Don't wanna fill it out?
Don't complain when Uncle Sam thinks that there is a smaller population where you live than what actually EXISTS there and therefore the gubment spends less where you live.
Just one reason. There are many more.
Carry on.
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It means your info will be kept private and not sold to telemarketers and such.
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It means your info will be kept private and not sold to telemarketers and such.
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Do yourself and your neighbors a favor. Fill it out.
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They could just ask a neighbor
.... he own his house?
how many people live there?
Wow - how intrusive
Don't understand the paranoia over that.. if you send the irs tax info - or your employer does... why in the heck do you think that info isn't already out there?
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If you worry about the government having your personal information too late they already have it. you know that birth certificate, social security card, driver's license, w2 forms, income tax statements, marriage license.....
or you really think the census form is the only thing they need to put all that info together :uhoh. Fill it out or not, your choice, but its like voting, dont do it and dont complain about anything later. just one thing, those census people are just regular people trying to make a buck, dont give them any crap, on the other hand watch out for the fake census people that start by asking your social security number, those you call the police.
semp
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I don't see the problem of filling out the LETTER THEY MAILED ME.
Seriously.. they sent me a letter saying they were going to mail out a form. Then they mailed me the form. Then they mailed me a letter reminding me to send the form back to them (which I already had). The questions weren't all that private.. just wanted names, ages, races, and occupations of the people living in my household. It took literally ten seconds to fill out.
In this day of age, I don't see any need for census workers to have to go door-to-door, except in the cases of paranoid people who feel like they shouldn't have to fill out the form. It's pretty dumb not to if you ask me. This isn't exactly anything new. They've been doing it every ten years for... awhile now.
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:noid just do as you're told and no one will get hurt :noid
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What I find suspicious is when you fill out the form, send it to them, then they call you to verify the information..... *Click*
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It's in the Constitution.
An accurate assessment of where people are is very important. Don't fill out anything about the specifics "who" if you don't want to. Do fill it out and help them get an accurate head count.
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Never got a letter. Never got the census form or the confirmation letter.
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The Constitution says, in Article 1, Section 2:
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned
among the several States which may be included within
this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which
shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of
free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term
of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of
all other Persons.* The actual Enumeration shall be made
within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress
of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of
ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.
*changed by later amendments
However, what I disagree with (not only on the census forms, but every other government form) is the questions about race, religion and ethnicity. Why does the government need to know all these demographics in order to appoint representation and direct taxes? Aren't we all supposed to receive fair and equal treatment from the government regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity etc?
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Give them the number of persons living there. Race, religion, ethnicity, and the rest are none of their business, and they cannot make you give them that information. They have no right to it, and no legitimate need for it.
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The census is there to count.
I responded to the letter, I counted how many males, and age, how many females, and age.
I got a visit, my letter was incomplete.
I said, I'll confirm, males and age, females and age. Counting completed.
He wasn't satisfied.
I said, want to see how fast I can make a badge like you have? You are not getting my information. The information needed is on my tax return.
He said, and this I hoped for, "But Sir, you don't understand, we can't get all of that information because 1) It's not available to us, and 2) Not everyone we need to count files taxes"
Bingo says I, then why do you need to know how much representation they get or how much public service they need?
He left, saying he couldn't answer that.
They asked, I counted, they can leave now.
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The census is there to count.
I responded to the letter, I counted how many males, and age, how many females, and age.
I got a visit, my letter was incomplete.
I said, I'll confirm, males and age, females and age. Counting completed.
He wasn't satisfied.
I said, want to see how fast I can make a badge like you have? You are not getting my information. The information needed is on my tax return.
He said, and this I hoped for, "But Sir, you don't understand, we can't get all of that information because 1) It's not available to us, and 2) Not everyone we need to count files taxes"
Bingo says I, then why do you need to know how much representation they get or how much public service they need?
He left, saying he couldn't answer that.
They asked, I counted, they can leave now.
haha was so funny. actually it wasnt. was gonna say something funny, but why bother. gonna go back to watch butch cassidy and the sundance kid, it is a great movie.
semp
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If you worry about the government having your personal information too late they already have it. you know that birth certificate, social security card, driver's license, w2 forms, income tax statements, marriage license.....
or you really think the census form is the only thing they need to put all that info together :uhoh. Fill it out or not, your choice, but its like voting, dont do it and dont complain about anything later. just one thing, those census people are just regular people trying to make a buck, dont give them any crap, on the other hand watch out for the fake census people that start by asking your social security number, those you call the police.
semp
You mean the ones who got arrested, such as the sex offender who tried to rape a woman, are just regular people trying to make a buck?
Sorry, race, creed, color, religion, and things of that nature are NOT pertinent to the census. Or do you think they should use that information to make decisions? That's something similar to discrimination, to put it mildly.
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never mind u answered the question.
semp
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The point is, the census requires ONLY the number of people living at a location, as well as possibly their age and sex. They need no other information, and should be prevented from even asking for any, at all.
The collection of any other information allows them the opportunity to abuse information they should not even have.
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ROC, I had a similar problem. I filled out the number of people living in the house and that was it. THe person who showed up tried to tell me that I was going to take 10 minutes with him to fill in the rest of the information. I told him in no uncertain terms would he get any more information about me or my family, and he replied, "We'll see about that." At that point I told him he had 60 seconds to vacate my doorstep or he'd regret not being gone. I called the cops and reported what was said and they sent an officer (within two minutes) and had a nice chat with him in front of our house which included him to never come back and harass these people again.
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My wife filled out number of person at location. 5 nothing else.
So we get a knock on the door. I said you have all the information you will get. He said are you refusing to answer my questions I said NO i dont have to there is a big difference. So he hands me a little brochure with some laws passed that say i have to answer all his questions. I said very well let me review these laws come back tomorrow and I will answer what I legally have too. He said " i already know what will happen if you refuse to answer then they will get a court order and get all the info that is public record. I said what are you doing here then, go get it.
So he left.
I come home two days later and he is sitting in my driveway. He said I am here as a fellow citizen and not a census worker. I just wanted to let you know that you were right I did some research and you only have to give the number of people in the home. All the other laws that congress passed just say " we would like to know if you want to give us the info."
There is no need for a census all people now born in the U.S are given a SS# they already have the number of legal people in the U.S. They don't even need to send you a form.