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Title: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: the4ork on June 14, 2010, 11:35:48 AM
if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you go?

i say late 30's as it would give you time to enlist and get trained up for war.


i most certainly would, it was a better time back then, and i already have about 10 hours in a stearman, 5.5 in a Texan, and a tailwheel endorsement... i'd smoke the flying and oral sections of any pilot test they could throw at me!

question is, do i learn german and fly for the luftwaffe, go to the eagle squadron and fly for the limeyes, or sweat it out until the yanks enter the war... and then navy or air corps?

I think i'd stick it out with the yanks, however between navy and air corps, i guess i would take whichever one would take me....

what would you do?
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Kuhn on June 14, 2010, 11:38:17 AM
Buy stock in Lockheed.     :D
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Flench on June 14, 2010, 11:42:01 AM
30's No 60's YES !
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 14, 2010, 12:38:28 PM
Fly for the Russians, drink Vodka, make love to homely women named Olga and die young  :rock
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: jdbecks on June 14, 2010, 12:43:29 PM
buy lots of property's in Mayfair and parklane
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Steve on June 14, 2010, 12:49:46 PM
if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you go?

i say late 30's as it would give you time to enlist and get trained up for war.


i most certainly would, it was a better time back then, and i already have about 10 hours in a stearman, 5.5 in a Texan, and a tailwheel endorsement... i'd smoke the flying and oral sections of any pilot test they could throw at me!

question is, do i learn german and fly for the luftwaffe, go to the eagle squadron and fly for the limeyes, or sweat it out until the yanks enter the war... and then navy or air corps?

I think i'd stick it out with the yanks, however between navy and air corps, i guess i would take whichever one would take me....

what would you do?

I'd go up in the northwoods, fisihing.  I already know we win and I bet the fishing in those lakes was awesome!
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: uptown on June 14, 2010, 12:56:10 PM
Don't do that again.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: MickDono on June 14, 2010, 12:57:15 PM
30's No 60's YES !

+1  :rock
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: LCCajun on June 14, 2010, 01:08:30 PM
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Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: thndregg on June 14, 2010, 01:54:46 PM
I don't know about going back to the 30's. My values do seem out of place with what people consider important these days- and I'm only 37. I could easily adapt to late 40's I think. I work, I help take care of my family, farmland, etc.. Everything is paid for! I'm not in debt- old values.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: vafiii on June 14, 2010, 01:59:26 PM
I'd go back to late 40's, early 50's after the war. Seems like a great time to be an American. Also wouldn't mind checking out the Roman Empire, the American Revolution and the Old West.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: TheRapier on June 14, 2010, 02:08:48 PM
I think its a nice fantasy, but if you were raised from 1970 onward, I think you'd be a fish out of water. The cultural attitudes have taken such a radical shift since then that it would be bewildering.

Most folks in any country, were frankly and openly racist, and it wasn't even looked upon as something unusual. What we today call hate crimes were relatively commonplace. The concepts of what constituted masculinity or femininity and acceptable behavior by our current contexts were very rigid. For anyone who was alive in the 60s, this attitudes were exactly what the revolution of the 60s was against.

Then as now, when you live in an era, you can't pick and choose the good parts. You get it all, just the way it is, without the patina of nostalgia.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: oakranger on June 14, 2010, 03:57:25 PM
Most definitely, take all my knowledge of range ecology with me and put it into good uses.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Max on June 14, 2010, 04:09:40 PM
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Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Spikes on June 14, 2010, 04:15:46 PM
Stop Hitler's madness before it happened.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: SEseph on June 14, 2010, 04:29:21 PM
I think I'd like to make myself look like a prophet considering I'd know most of those things yet to come. Then I'd demand tribute because it appeases those who give me the visions to see thier earth incarnate happy. It would be a happy time... for me anyway.  :t
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: druski85 on June 14, 2010, 04:49:20 PM
Clearly not enough of you have seen the "Toaster of Time"

Don't mess with it man, I don't want it to rain Doughnuts.     :uhoh
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Pongo on June 14, 2010, 04:51:12 PM
Pre knowledge of what happened in ww2 could be very very frustrating if you intend to fight in it.
When you went back with your stearman experience and were ordered to go to fly P40s at Clark Field in Oct 1941. It would be interesting to me what you would do.
You know you don't get to choose right?

But my answer is that throwing my name in the hat and volunteering in ww2, knowing how it went, I am probably not man enough. I know the world was saved without me dying, getting imprisoned by the Japanese for 4 years or having my face burned away. I am old enough to know I am not immortal.




Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: JunkyII on June 14, 2010, 05:04:12 PM
Id find Audie Murphy and take his spot


 :noid
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 14, 2010, 05:18:07 PM
Id find Audie Murphy and take his spot


 :noid

Don't insult a real hero
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Zoney on June 14, 2010, 05:18:59 PM
Id find Audie Murphy and take his spot


 :noid

Then freeze up from total fear on the battlefield and call your commander and whine about the enemy not playing fair ?




(easy homey just needling you couldn't resist.   :bolt:
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: potsNpans on June 14, 2010, 05:21:04 PM
I don't know about going back to the 30's. My values do seem out of place with what people consider important these days- and I'm only 37. I could easily adapt to late 40's I think. I work, I help take care of my family, farmland, etc.. Everything is paid for! I'm not in debt- old values.
Not old, but true values. I'll the leave the 30's were they are at.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: BigR on June 14, 2010, 05:26:06 PM
Enjoy your polio.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Ardy123 on June 14, 2010, 05:29:19 PM
One word for the 30s.... NO

It was one of the most difficult times for humanity in the last 100 years. Could you imagine +33% unemployment? What do you think enabled people like Hitler to come to power, peoples overwhelming feeling of despair and hopelessness. Hitler gave them that... promised a great civilization that would last 1000 years, etc... all BS of course, but look what they got instead... hatred and eventual ruin...  no thank you...

I'm glad I live in 2010, I'm able to peacefully live and support myself and have enough free time to play this game.
 :salute

Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 14, 2010, 05:40:16 PM
One word for the 30s.... NO

It was one of the most difficult times for humanity in the last 100 years. Could you imagine +33% unemployment? What do you think enabled people like Hitler to come to power, peoples overwhelming feeling of despair and hopelessness. Hitler gave them that... promised a great civilization that would last 1000 years, etc... all BS of course, but look what they got instead... hatred and eventual ruin...  no thank you...

I'm glad I live in 2010, I'm able to peacefully live and support myself and have enough free time to play this game.
 :salute



The strange thing is without a Hitler would there be an AH to play?
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Ardy123 on June 14, 2010, 05:41:39 PM
The strange thing is without a Hitler would there be an AH to play?

going all zen are we?


If a tree fell in a forest, and no one was there, would it make a sound?
or should it be
If a bear augered in the forest and no one saw it, did it auger?
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 14, 2010, 05:43:23 PM
going all zen are we?


If a tree fell in a forest, and no one was there, would it make a sound?
or should it be
If a bear augered in the forest and no one saw it, did it auger?

Watch were you step when you come to find out. You know what we do in the woods.  :D
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Ardy123 on June 14, 2010, 05:45:23 PM
Watch were you step when you come to find out. You know what we do in the woods.  :D
:lol :lol :lol 
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Larry on June 14, 2010, 06:26:58 PM
The strange thing is without a Hitler would there be an AH to play?

Without Hitler the world would be a very different place. Millions of peoples lives would have been spared and technology would be IMO decades off from what it is now if WWII never happened.


I wouldn't change anything so I wouldn't mess with any times lines, but I would seek out my grandfather and meet him since I never got the chance to.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: LLogann on June 14, 2010, 06:42:35 PM
Anybody ever see "The Final Countdown?"

Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: JunkyII on June 14, 2010, 07:44:58 PM
Don't insult a real hero
Was no insult.....Being the most decorated Soldier in the world...and live...would be quite a thing to experience.


Dont get mad about my posts in other threads :aok


edit:
Then freeze up from total fear on the battlefield and call your commander and whine about the enemy not playing fair ?


lol I use my chain of command...the squad leader would be getting a call first ;)
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 14, 2010, 07:53:25 PM
Was no insult.....Being the most decorated Soldier in the world...and live...would be quite a thing to experience.


Dont get mad about my posts in other threads :aok


edit:
Then freeze up from total fear on the battlefield and call your commander and whine about the enemy not playing fair ?


lol I use my chain of command...the squad leader would be getting a call first ;)

Mad? This is a game  :lol
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Oldman731 on June 14, 2010, 08:02:07 PM
Enjoy your polio.

Heh.  Exactly what I was thinking.

This is the best of all times there have ever been.

- oldman
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: JunkyII on June 14, 2010, 08:02:46 PM
Mad? This is a game  :lol
exactly
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 14, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
Heh.  Exactly what I was thinking.

This is the best of all times there have ever been.

- oldman

I think that's a matter of perspective OM. I'm sure there are millions out there that aren't that impessed. They had Polio, we have Aids. And it's not like we get to choose.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 14, 2010, 08:30:10 PM
if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you go?



what would you do?

Bet on every single sporting event from the year I traveled backed to, to the present.  I'd also patent a lot of stuff from the future and invest in a lot of emergening technologies that in the future would be huge.

ack-ack
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Delirium on June 14, 2010, 08:38:48 PM
Without Hitler the world would be a very different place.

I'm certain someone different would of taken his place, the way WWI ended cemented this in reality.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 14, 2010, 08:40:32 PM
Bet on every single sporting event from the year I traveled backed to, to the present.  I'd also patent a lot of stuff from the future and invest in a lot of emergening technologies that in the future would be huge.

ack-ack

Drive to Redmond Washington in 1985 and knock on Bill Gates garage door and fill out a job application.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: SunBat on June 14, 2010, 08:41:22 PM
I'll let you know in about 27 years.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Stoliman on June 14, 2010, 08:51:34 PM
Stop Hitler's madness before it happened.

Interesting premise, Spike.

Would you (rhetorically, non-specifically speaking)?  Could you?  Imagine it is 1937 and you are obviously the ONLY PERSON in the world who knows what is going to happen - the conquests, the death camps, the whole works.  Would you be willing to go in and toss an anti-tank grenade into Hitler's car like was done to Heydrich, perhaps at a parade.....knowing you most likely would be immediately gunned down and never recognized for (hopefully) saving the world from what was to come?

Are we individually that strong to perform such an act?


Pondering.....
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 14, 2010, 08:53:08 PM
Drive to Redmond Washington in 1985 and knock on Bill Gates garage door and fill out a job application.

Fill out a job application?  Hell, he'd be working for me since I would have already owned the patent for anything Microsoft has created.  

ack-ack
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 14, 2010, 09:01:16 PM
Fill out a job application?  Hell, he'd be working for me since I would have already owned the patent for anything Microsoft has created.  

ack-ack


I'd be content with a generous pension and 8 figure's worth of MS stock options they gave early employees. Hell the secretary's retired as millionaires
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Guppy35 on June 14, 2010, 09:15:15 PM
It's easy to romanticize the past with the benefit of the knowledge we have now about it.  Having had WW2 history as a passion since I was in grade school, I've spent 40+ years 'living' in that past at times.

One of the things that bothers me sometimes is that we've almost trivialized those folks with calling them the 'greatest generation'.   They were just like you and I and they rose to the occasion when they needed to.  To make them more then that to me minimizes their sacrifice.  I do believe my generation or my kids generation are just as capable.  Clearly there are folks out there doing that right now.

I've spent many years researching the lives of aircrew who didn't survive.  They weren't cartoon pilots.  The reality of war quickly killed any notion of white scarves, medals and fancy uniforms.  Surviving and getting home were all that mattered.  None wished for their siblings or children to ever have to go to war.

My latest project is an American who flew Beaufighters with the RCAF.  Enlisted before WW2.  I have a photo of him with the white scarf.  Two years of training and he finally made it to combat which is where he wanted to be.  He lasted less then a month and he and his navigator along with their Beau have never been found.

Would I like to go back and have a look?  Sure. Stepping into that history to see it for real would be amazing.  Would I want to go back and fight that war?  Not a chance.  Old CorkyJr is invincible in AH.   Dan would be anything but back in the 30s and 40s.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: 68ZooM on June 14, 2010, 09:17:16 PM
Bet on every single sporting event from the year I traveled backed to, to the present.  I'd also patent a lot of stuff from the future and invest in a lot of emergening technologies that in the future would be huge.

ack-ack

That's my thinking to, imagine how much of the future you could change, make better with what we know now :eek:
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Sperky on June 14, 2010, 09:24:53 PM
Anybody ever see "The Final Countdown?"

The 80's band from Europe??  I wouldn't want to go back and see that...   lol
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: druski85 on June 14, 2010, 09:27:03 PM
That's my thinking to, imagine how much of the future you could change, make better with what we know now :eek:

Sorry I misquoted the name of the episode as Toaster of Time rather than the accurate "Time and Punishment." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treehouse_of_Horror_V (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treehouse_of_Horror_V)

Quite funny, and relevant to this discussion.  :lol
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 14, 2010, 09:43:13 PM
It's easy to romanticize the past with the benefit of the knowledge we have now about it.  Having had WW2 history as a passion since I was in grade school, I've spent 40+ years 'living' in that past at times.

One of the things that bothers me sometimes is that we've almost trivialized those folks with calling them the 'greatest generation'.   They were just like you and I and they rose to the occasion when they needed to.  To make them more then that to me minimizes their sacrifice.  I do believe my generation or my kids generation are just as capable.  Clearly there are folks out there doing that right now.

I've spent many years researching the lives of aircrew who didn't survive.  They weren't cartoon pilots.  The reality of war quickly killed any notion of white scarves, medals and fancy uniforms.  Surviving and getting home were all that mattered.  None wished for their siblings or children to ever have to go to war.

My latest project is an American who flew Beaufighters with the RCAF.  Enlisted before WW2.  I have a photo of him with the white scarf.  Two years of training and he finally made it to combat which is where he wanted to be.  He lasted less then a month and he and his navigator along with their Beau have never been found.

Would I like to go back and have a look?  Sure. Stepping into that history to see it for real would be amazing.  Would I want to go back and fight that war?  Not a chance.  Old CorkyJr is invincible in AH.   Dan would be anything but back in the 30s and 40s.

Great points Dan. That term does get trivialized. It's hard to express how greatful I feel to those men and women that had to do things and make sacrifices they did. We can only begin to imagine. I'm a bit more jaded about my generation and those that followed. I remember friends who spit on soldiers. I know a man who lost his son in Vietnam and got phone calls from people saying they were glad his son died at the hands of the North Vietnamese. Many of those people today have grandkids and drive around with a "Support Our Troops" stickers on their can bumper.

Sorry, needed to vent :(
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: 68ZooM on June 14, 2010, 09:43:14 PM
Sorry I misquoted the name of the episode as Toaster of Time rather than the accurate "Time and Punishment." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treehouse_of_Horror_V (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treehouse_of_Horror_V)

Quite funny, and relevant to this discussion.  :lol

DOH!!   :rofl
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: FiLtH on June 14, 2010, 09:46:46 PM
  I would befriend the Gates and Jackson families.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: AAJagerX on June 15, 2010, 03:51:25 AM
Anybody ever see "The Final Countdown?"



Awesome movie! 
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: BrownBaron on June 15, 2010, 04:16:28 AM
Invest in American Steel.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: cattb on June 15, 2010, 04:57:08 AM
Fly for the Russians, drink Vodka, make love to homely women named Olga and die young  :rock
Olga
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/pilferedvino/olga-kurylenko01120601.jpg)
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: IronDog on June 15, 2010, 08:49:27 AM
I would take 1965ish,and me running the Viet Nam war.It would have been over by 66,and Ho Chi Minh would have been in in a prison so far back,they would have had to feed him with a sling shot.Giap would have been shot for war crimes,and many young Americans would have lived a long life,instead of dying in a cesspool,called Viet Nam!Johnson and McNamara hosed it bad,then Nixon gives it all back!Get out of Afghanistan and Iraq,let them bastiges kill each other to their hearts content!
Dobey
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: zack1234 on June 15, 2010, 09:10:35 AM
Depends if you like starting and losing wars if you don't then RAF's not for you :old:
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: zack1234 on June 15, 2010, 09:21:32 AM
olga :aok
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: betty on June 15, 2010, 09:41:27 AM
i would go ONLY if i could take my sound system and my car with me, i would also join the RAF and fly my typhoon!! :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Simaril on June 15, 2010, 10:49:39 AM
We hear so much bad stuff going on that we lose perspective, but truth is that there has never been a better time to be alive than right now. World poverty and war related deaths are both demonstrably lower than they have been in recorded history.

The 1930s were "The Dark Valley" (title of a great book on the subject). With hindsight being 20/20 we have a very hard time understanding this, but in reality it was NOT clear that freedom oriented democracy was going to be successful, or even survive. Countries set up with free market orientation and emphasis on personal liberty were doing very poorly in the 30s, with economic stagnation, enormous unemployment, and political instability. Meanwhile, Communism's press releases were generally taken at face value - and there was objectively enormous economic growth in the Soviet Union in the 30s, as they shifted from 19th century agrarian economy towards 20th century industrial one. The Fascist dictatorships provided order, stability, and economic growth that the democracies were hard pressed to match.

If you believed in the rule of law and personal liberty, the 1930s were truly frightening times. More than a few intelligent people honestly believed that the future of democracy was bleak. Seeing what happened from 1939 - 1941 would only make freedom's future look even darker...because people who lived through the times didn't know what would happen at Stalingrad, Leningrad, Midway, Guadalcanal, Kokoda, and the North Atlantic.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: grizz441 on June 15, 2010, 12:18:55 PM
if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you go?

i say late 30's as it would give you time to enlist and get trained up for war.


i most certainly would, it was a better time back then, and i already have about 10 hours in a stearman, 5.5 in a Texan, and a tailwheel endorsement... i'd smoke the flying and oral sections of any pilot test they could throw at me!

question is, do i learn german and fly for the luftwaffe, go to the eagle squadron and fly for the limeyes, or sweat it out until the yanks enter the war... and then navy or air corps?

I think i'd stick it out with the yanks, however between navy and air corps, i guess i would take whichever one would take me....

what would you do?

Is this a time travel question or a trading places hypothetical?

Kind of hard to pass up the opportunity to time travel...

As far as trading my 21st century life for one in the 1930s ?  No thx.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: 1pLUs44 on June 15, 2010, 01:36:32 PM
Happy with where and when I'm living right now, wouldn't change a thing.  :aok
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Wagger on June 15, 2010, 05:14:21 PM
My mother was born in 1925.  I once remember back in the late 90's someone saying don't you wish you could go back to the good old days when you were growing up.  My mom said I spent my childhood as 1 of 5 children of a share cropper in Arkansas.  During school when cotton harvest time came they were taken out of school to go to Texas and pick cotton for $1 a day.  Basically from sunrise to sunset.  At this time she was a Data Processing Supervisor with 15 people under her and also did programing.  Her end answer was not on your life.  She said she would never give up her life growing up because it always reminded her how fortunate and blessed she is now.

As for our children today I can say I have no doubts about their commitment to our nation.  After 22 years in the Army training our young men, and what I have see of them in todays wars they are not only committed they are great in the same ways our fathers and Grandfathers were.  God Bless the United States and the young people who severe her.  To those who have given the greatest sacrifice. 

 “It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.”  George S. Patton
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: IronDog on June 16, 2010, 08:47:58 AM
I would have got off my duff France.... and England,and stopped Hitler the first time he made the move into an area he didn't belong in.Germany wasn't ready for war at that time and Hitler rolled the dice and won!That just gave Hitler the knowledge he needed on how prepared France and the Brits were to stop him on his conquest.Austria,and the Czech's were next w/o only a note from Hitler to Chamberlain that he would be good from now on!Churchill tried to warn the Lethargic ones,but along comes Sept. 39,and away we go.Mean while the Japanese are raping Manchuria and China,and the U.S.A. had a plan from the early 1900's,called Orange or something like that to be ready for any Japanese plans to set up an Asian Empire.Along comes Dec. 7th,1941 and Pearl Harbor gets completely surprised,even though FDR probably knew it was coming,and it's a given that the Brits were aware it was coming,but didn't warn us,because they wanted us in the fray!Six years later,and two A bombs,and it's over.Millions died,and I believe it could have been stopped,if action was taken in the early 30's to stop Hitler.
Dobey
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: MORAY37 on June 16, 2010, 10:33:48 AM
We hear so much bad stuff going on that we lose perspective, but truth is that there has never been a better time to be alive than right now. World poverty and war related deaths are both demonstrably lower than they have been in recorded history.

The 1930s were "The Dark Valley" (title of a great book on the subject). With hindsight being 20/20 we have a very hard time understanding this, but in reality it was NOT clear that freedom oriented democracy was going to be successful, or even survive. Countries set up with free market orientation and emphasis on personal liberty were doing very poorly in the 30s, with economic stagnation, enormous unemployment, and political instability. Meanwhile, Communism's press releases were generally taken at face value - and there was objectively enormous economic growth in the Soviet Union in the 30s, as they shifted from 19th century agrarian economy towards 20th century industrial one. The Fascist dictatorships provided order, stability, and economic growth that the democracies were hard pressed to match.

If you believed in the rule of law and personal liberty, the 1930s were truly frightening times. More than a few intelligent people honestly believed that the future of democracy was bleak. Seeing what happened from 1939 - 1941 would only make freedom's future look even darker...because people who lived through the times didn't know what would happen at Stalingrad, Leningrad, Midway, Guadalcanal, Kokoda, and the North Atlantic.

I would venture that our democracy only exists now due to World War 2.  Without the strife and destruction that occurred in Europe, Asia and the Pacific, the United States would never have risen to a prominent position in the 20th century. 

If WW2 doesn't happen, the US never has a chance to develop nearly as fast, and would have been constrained by other nation's geopolitical interests.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: LLogann on June 16, 2010, 11:30:06 AM
 :lol  No sir, I wouldn't either.......  It's a movie from 1980 regarding this very subject.

The 80's band from Europe??  I wouldn't want to go back and see that...   lol

"The USS Nimitz, a modern-day nuclear aircraft carrier, is drawn through a time warp from 1980 to a couple days before the Japanese assault on Pearl Harbor, and the crew must decide whether to launch a preemptive strike against the incoming Japanese carrier fleet with their more advanced air wing, or allow history to take its course, which might not happen since they had rescued Senator Chapman, who disappeared shortly before the attack, from his death."

(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTY2MTk1NTMxNF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjcxMDUyMQ@@._V1._SX336_SY475_.jpg)


YET....  What nobody seems to realize is that by doing any action back then, we could, unkowningly, destroy the Earth.  :bolt:
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Oldman731 on June 16, 2010, 01:35:20 PM
YET....  What nobody seems to realize is that by doing any action back then, we could, unlowningly, destroy the Earth. 

http://www.lasalle.edu/~didio/courses/hon462/hon462_assets/sound_of_thunder.htm

- oldman
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: maus92 on June 16, 2010, 01:55:34 PM
Awesome movie! 

Be sure to watch the DVD extras of "The Final Countdown." The interviews with the Tomkitty pilots 20 or so years later is, a.., interesting.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: maus92 on June 16, 2010, 01:57:42 PM
My motto is never look back (prolly why I routinely get shot down,) so - no, I would not go back to the 30's - except in cognito of course.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: LLogann on June 16, 2010, 02:35:50 PM
I have never read that before.............    :salute

http://www.lasalle.edu/~didio/courses/hon462/hon462_assets/sound_of_thunder.htm

- oldman
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Makoyouidiot on June 16, 2010, 06:25:51 PM
While we're on the subject of the final countdown, John Birmingham has written an excellent series called the Axis of Time, on what would likely happen if modern folks were to be transported back to WWII. Interestingly enough, they screwed things up royally. Lemme get the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_Choice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_Choice)

That's the first book, he wrote 3 in that series. VERY good reads for anyone interested in WWII, which I'm guessing most of us are, alternate history, physics, super-high tech weapons, and the odd feelings associated with modern folks thrust back into a bygone, (and not so pretty) age.

Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Yenny on June 17, 2010, 11:43:05 AM
And relive WWII? you guys are nut! Nothing pretty about it  :confused:
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Changeup on June 17, 2010, 06:13:20 PM
The strange thing is without a Hitler would there be an AH to play?

That may be THE dumbest thing I have ever read on these boards....
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Changeup on June 17, 2010, 06:16:55 PM
It's easy to romanticize the past with the benefit of the knowledge we have now about it.  Having had WW2 history as a passion since I was in grade school, I've spent 40+ years 'living' in that past at times.

Would I like to go back and have a look?  Sure. Stepping into that history to see it for real would be amazing.  Would I want to go back and fight that war?  Not a chance.  Old CorkyJr is invincible in AH.   Dan would be anything but back in the 30s and 40s.

Big  :salute

V/r

Changeup
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 17, 2010, 06:38:50 PM
That may be THE dumbest thing I have ever read on these boards....

I'm sure you'll out do it within 5 minutes. Comprend my friend and don't jump to conclusions. There would no luft planes, doh!
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Changeup on June 17, 2010, 07:02:56 PM
I'm sure you'll out do it within 5 minutes. Comprend my friend and don't jump to conclusions. There would no luft planes, doh!

Yes, Luft planes are certainly worth it....  Just kidding...I think it was an awesome observation and very deep.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 17, 2010, 07:05:21 PM
Yes, Luft planes are certainly worth it....  Just kidding...I think it was an awesome observation and very deep.


Oh stop, I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy now.    :aok


Finally thanks Skuzzy.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: grizz441 on June 17, 2010, 07:09:21 PM
That may be THE dumbest thing I have ever read on these boards....


hu·mor
   /ˈhyumər or, often, ˈyu-/ Show Spelled[hyoo-mer or, often, yoo-] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a comic, absurd, or incongruous quality causing amusement: the humor of a situation.
2.
the faculty of perceiving what is amusing or comical: He is completely without humor.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Ardy123 on June 17, 2010, 07:09:41 PM
Changeup Vs Bear76

One has brains, the other has fur.   :D

Round 1 -failed to conclude, Ref Skuzzy locked it before a regular BBS crowd pleaser got into the ring to make it ugly.
Round 2 - Its heating up, a few jabs have been thrown by both sides & bets have been placed. The outcome, time will only tell.
 :bolt:


oh yeah, PS, there is no humor in the death of 12 million Jews and other ethnic minorities caused by Hitlers crazy agenda.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 17, 2010, 07:15:34 PM
Changeup Vs Bear76

One has brains, the other has fur.   :D

Round 1 -failed to conclude, Ref Skuzzy locked it before a regular BBS crowd pleaser got into the ring to make it ugly.
Round 2 - Its heating up, a few jabs have been thrown by both sides & bets have been placed. The outcome, time will only tell.
 :bolt:



Ah, no one ever wins here. Didn't think it would make it 12 pages, so I lost my bet.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Changeup on June 17, 2010, 07:19:07 PM

hu·mor
   /ˈhyumər or, often, ˈyu-/ Show Spelled[hyoo-mer or, often, yoo-] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a comic, absurd, or incongruous quality causing amusement: the humor of a situation.
2.
the faculty of perceiving what is amusing or comical: He is completely without humor.

Main Entry: per·cep·tion
Pronunciation: \pər-ˈsep-shən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin perception-, perceptio act of perceiving, from percipere
Date: 14th century
1 a : a result of perceiving : observation b : a mental image : concept
2  : quick, acute, and intuitive cognition :

Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: grizz441 on June 17, 2010, 07:23:32 PM
Main Entry: per·cep·tion
Pronunciation: \pər-ˈsep-shən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin perception-, perceptio act of perceiving, from percipere
Date: 14th century
1 a : a result of perceiving : observation b : a mental image : concept
2  : quick, acute, and intuitive cognition :



blith·er
   /ˈblɪðər/ Show Spelled[blith-er]
–verb (used without object)
to talk foolishly; blather:

o·ver·re·act   (ō'vər-rē-ākt')  
intr.v. o·ver·re·act·ed , o·ver·re·act·ing , o·ver·re·acts
To react with unnecessary or inappropriate force, emotional display, or violence.

in·cite
   /ɪnˈsaɪt/ Show Spelled[in-sahyt]
–verb (used with object), -cit·ed, -cit·ing.
to stir, encourage, or urge on; stimulate or prompt to action.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Changeup on June 17, 2010, 07:31:15 PM

blith·er
   /ˈblɪðər/ Show Spelled[blith-er]
–verb (used without object)
to talk foolishly; blather:

o·ver·re·act   (ō'vər-rē-ākt')  
intr.v. o·ver·re·act·ed , o·ver·re·act·ing , o·ver·re·acts
To react with unnecessary or inappropriate force, emotional display, or violence.

in·cite
   /ɪnˈsaɪt/ Show Spelled[in-sahyt]
–verb (used with object), -cit·ed, -cit·ing.
to stir, encourage, or urge on; stimulate or prompt to action.


Heb·e·ta·te

[L. hebetatio: cf. F. hébétation.]

1. The act of making blunt, dull, or stupid.
2. The state of being blunted or dulled.

sub·or·di·nate (s-bôrdn-t)
adj.
1. Belonging to a lower or inferior class or rank; secondary.
2. Subject to the authority or control of another.
n.
One that is subordinate.
tr.v. (s-bôrdn-t) sub·or·di·nat·ed, sub·or·di·nat·ing, sub·or·di·nates
1. To put in a lower or inferior rank or class.
2. To make subservient; subdue.




Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: kilo2 on June 17, 2010, 07:31:30 PM

Define
a. To state the precise meaning of (a word or sense of a word, for example)

Funny
a. Causing laughter or amusement.

Lame
Weak and ineffectual; unsatisfactory
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Ardy123 on June 17, 2010, 07:33:38 PM
Thread Hijack...


North Korea World Cup Game... did you see that goal at the end, wow. Or how about the Spain vs Switzerland! I bet the Spanish are pissed.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Spikes on June 17, 2010, 07:34:00 PM
dic·tion·ar·y
1.
a book containing a selection of the words of a language, usually arranged alphabetically, giving information about their meanings, pronunciations, etymologies, inflected forms, etc., expressed in either the same or another language; lexicon; glossary:
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Changeup on June 17, 2010, 07:34:37 PM
dic·tion·ar·y
1.
a book containing a selection of the words of a language, usually arranged alphabetically, giving information about their meanings, pronunciations, etymologies, inflected forms, etc., expressed in either the same or another language; lexicon; glossary:

lmao.... :salute
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: kilo2 on June 17, 2010, 07:36:16 PM
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g256/BloodyBandage/captain-picard-full-of-win-500x3811.jpg)
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 17, 2010, 07:38:41 PM
Finally some quality posts. I'm getting edjumacted. :x
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: grizz441 on June 17, 2010, 07:38:56 PM
Changeup Vs Bear76

One has brains, the other has fur.   :D

You should shave your squaddie's back then.  

:bolt:
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Spikes on June 17, 2010, 07:39:34 PM
(http://www.baylinerownersclub.org/albums/Temp-photos/this_thread_rocks.sized.jpg)
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 17, 2010, 07:41:49 PM
You have to admit we do, and get away with things we'd never allow our kids to do here and in game.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Ardy123 on June 17, 2010, 07:42:38 PM
You should shave your squaddie's back then.  

:bolt:
:lol Maybe tomorrow, Bear loves the reverse 'love-rug'. They have been getting awful close today. :D

Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 17, 2010, 07:50:16 PM
:lol Maybe tomorrow, Bear loves the reverse 'love-rug'. They have been getting awful close today. :D




That reminds me, I'm a bit overdue myself.

(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd183/Bearman761/Nascar20fan.jpg)
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Changeup on June 17, 2010, 07:51:20 PM
You should shave your squaddie's back then.  

:bolt:

Ardy, its easy...I shaved Grizz's mom's back the other day, DOH!   :neener:

Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 17, 2010, 07:52:17 PM
Ardy, its easy...I shaved Grizz's mom's back the other day, DOH!   :neener:


Oh no you dint just resort to the "mom" stuff.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Changeup on June 17, 2010, 07:53:07 PM

Oh no you dint just resort to the "mom" stuff.

Yes, I had to hurry...my son was walking in and couldn't think of anything better!! lmao....he insisted on asking me why "that man had enough hair on his back to "cut" a 3 into it, rotflmao...

Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Ardy123 on June 17, 2010, 08:05:29 PM

That reminds me, I'm a bit overdue myself.

(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd183/Bearman761/Nascar20fan.jpg)

A back shaven bear...now thats what I call a bald spot. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9zolXd1QzE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9zolXd1QzE)
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Spikes on June 17, 2010, 08:06:23 PM
A back shaven bear...now thats what I call a bald spot. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9zolXd1QzE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9zolXd1QzE)
LOL!
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 17, 2010, 08:13:54 PM
A back shaven bear...now thats what I call a bald spot. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9zolXd1QzE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9zolXd1QzE)

Yes I am a bilingual Bear, and that nic still hurts  :(
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Ardy123 on June 17, 2010, 09:33:51 PM
Yes I am a bilingual Bear, and that nic still hurts  :(

Just because you can talk out of two orifices, doesn't make your bilingual.

That bear shaved his whole body, you only did your back, & he's a polar bear, look at your avatar.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 18, 2010, 01:03:54 AM
Just because you can talk out of two orifices, doesn't make your bilingual.

That bear shaved his whole body, you only did your back, & he's a polar bear, look at your avatar.


I do look kind of grouchy huh? We do have one thing in common at least.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Ardy123 on June 18, 2010, 01:21:59 AM
I do look kind of grouchy huh? We do have one thing in common at least.
yup, we both like playing Aces High!!  :rock :rock
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Babalonian on June 18, 2010, 03:19:59 PM
When I get my internet back I'm requesting a squad duel so we can just put our tempers aside for a couple more months and end this like we usually do; in one helluva sadisticly-inebriated-masocisitic-fun-filled hour.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 18, 2010, 04:02:51 PM
When I get my internet back I'm requesting a squad duel so we can just put our tempers aside for a couple more months and end this like we usually do; in one helluva sadisticly-inebriated-masocisitic-fun-filled hour.

Temper? Sarcastic humor.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Babalonian on June 18, 2010, 04:29:28 PM
I think of it as an old home-town rivalry.  But if ya want to keep debating over toematos and tomatoes to delay having us hand you your chops in the cartoon sky, fine by me.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Tac on June 18, 2010, 06:05:15 PM
if i could back to the 30's...

imagine how much the 'intel' you know is worth ;)

pick the right time, peddle it to the brits and the US ... make billions..heck you can even ask some little country be given to you as your kingdom...


buy stocks and sell them before enron collapses.. mwhaha... :devil
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Gorf13 on June 18, 2010, 07:46:07 PM
Yes
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Bear76 on June 19, 2010, 12:28:33 AM
I think of it as an old home-town rivalry.  But if ya want to keep debating over toematos and tomatoes to delay having us hand you your chops in the cartoon sky, fine by me.

 :rofl
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Selino631 on June 19, 2010, 12:37:46 AM
I'd travel back in time and bring one of these with me. Then join the USAAF

(http://papundits.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/air_f-22_top_desert_lg.jpg)
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: bravoa8 on June 19, 2010, 01:20:17 AM
Go back to the 30s.... Hmmm I don't know..
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: flight17 on June 19, 2010, 01:43:40 AM
50's-60's so i could buy up all the surplus warbirds that were going to be scrapped and pay what they were worth in scrap metal = getting b25's for a couple hundred dollars (thats a fact too)
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: BrownBaron on June 19, 2010, 05:06:25 AM
I'd travel back in time and bring one of these with me. Then join the USAAF

(http://papundits.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/air_f-22_top_desert_lg.jpg)

Where would they procure the fuel to operate your fighter?
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: stealth on June 19, 2010, 05:10:28 AM
Well if we do 60s or 70s I do the F-86 Sabre. For the 30s I be an F4F pilot in coral sea or Thunderbolt pilot. Maybe I might have been a gunner on for a 40mm or 5inch.
Title: Re: if you could travel back in time to the late 30's, would you?
Post by: Simba on June 19, 2010, 08:52:21 AM
No antibiotics in the 1930s, and I wouldn't have survived past my fifth birthday without them - so, no.

 :cool: