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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Hristo on September 05, 2000, 05:19:00 AM
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Well, here's the story...
I bought TM F22Pro, F16 TQS and Elite rudder pedals for few hundred dollars some 2 years ago.
Worked great, felt great, as the most expensive flight sim gear should.
Then, after some 6 months uf use the potentiometer problems started. I already heard about it from others. Pot cleaning, stick software from Bob Church etc etc. It all helped a little, but after some times things got worse.
At the end I had to order new pots. Sure, you could order them from TM, but they didn't ship parts to Europe. After searching the net I found about replacement pots. Ordered them, worked on them a little and finally they worked.
My TM stuff worked again like when I bought it. But not for long. Few months later it was similar as before : spikes, erratic movement of plane etc etc. Damn, how much E I lost just because of damn pots.
Then Bob Church's digital upgrade came out. Of course, I ordered it. It improved many things, and among most important, it improved the potentiometer behavior. The stick now spikes from time to time, but not as bad as before.
Still, it is my impression that for the amount of money one pays for TM stuff he gets poor quality in form of bad pots. They simply ruin the game experience. I can live with many cables near my feet. I can live with worn and lose stick. I can ,live with the noise it sometime makes. But bad pots - no way ! I had enough !!!
Right now my TM setup is worn, some buttons somwetimes fail, stick is somewhat lose etc.
About time to buy new stuff. And what do I hear ? TM will launch new HOTAS 2000 in next 6 moths or so.
Great news, although I was sceptical. The first thing I went looking for was will it have potentiometers. NO, it said at first. It will have same devices as MS Sidewinder FF has - a kind of optical device, very reliable. WOW ! Great !!! (I even started to save the money).
Then I visit the TM site again and what do I see ???! New HOTAS 2000 will have potentiometers, high quality, digital processor, USB, blah blah blah. Sorry, gentlemen at TM/Guillemot. Pots in new HOTAS 2000 and Hristo goes to Microsoft. And I even get FF for two times less money.
Yes, you read right. I will give away all the HOTAS benefits for a stick that will not fly the plane on its own. Plus the FF. For twice less the money.
Now, some questions for MS users at last.
Who of you people uses it ?
Any spikes ?
Recommendations ?
How's that twisty stick for rudder control ?
Would you rather have rudder ?
The throttle ?
Would you rather have HOTAS ?
Force feedback ?
Can you actually feel plane stalling by FF ?
Any alternatives I should go looking for maybe ?
thanks
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Have been a loyal Sidewinder user for a numbert of years.Great stick with only 2 shortcommings IMO:
1) *just* too few buttons for AH (but enough for WB) - that is only a matter of taste though.Total 16 AFAIR + 8 view hat.
2) Wristrudder works all right - but you will find that certain maneuvers involving akward rudder input + ditto stick action is hard to do right.
I have tried to solve that problem via Saitek X36 USB (has a finger activated rudder on throttle)and having a hard time getting used to that, allthough its getting better heh.
As you are used to pedals an option could be the USB Sidewinder stick (as I said *great* stick) + USB pedals.
Havnt got any idea about FF, dont like it, dont use it.
danish
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Have moved on from MS to SaitekX36 and also have the PCDash. MS is ok but for $30 less I have stick and throttle with X36 hotass!!
BTW only get the X36 USB. It is an outstanding stick and is only $99.00 in US. www.saitek.com (http://www.saitek.com)
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Go X36... I've changed my 'trusty' Sidewinder for this and : WOW !IT ROCKS !!
One of the drawback of the sidewinder is the twisting rudder : when I push the stick du to biological limitations (the MS designer is coming from Roswell to my mind (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
I cannot avoid to add an 'parasite' yaw (rudder) input (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
To correct it I must have an awful deadzone (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) weird !
and for the last after 3 years my sidewider was drifting to the left (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) 120% left 80 right ...
Now you can chose a MS Stick but fly with the Knight or the rook you'll be a perfect target (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I use MS stick with TM pedals, and saitek throttle . The MS stick simply never spikes, and is very precise . The TM pedals have served me well going on 3 years now, maybe I'm lucky there. The saitek throttle blows, as I can never get any of the hotas switches to work longer than 20 minutes. They say the usb version is better though . If your TM pedals are still usable I suggest you use them for rudder controll instead of the stick twisting .
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Hristo,
That sucks...Thrusty should have fixed that pot problem, but they didn't and alienated a lot of customers for Guillemot, who purchased them. If you really like the HOTAS 2000, then get them...the digital conversion of the analog potentiometer signal will assure that you don't see any spiking or adverse effects, and the pots are rated for a long enough life that you probably won't ever see yourself replacing them. The technology does work, and the stick can be rock solid. I know...I've got an F22 that has the same technology in it currently and it's worked beautifully - unfortunately I had to give it up for Bob's upgrade, but after careful installation of good pots, I see no spiking in my new stick.
All that being said, Guillemot has their head in their prettythang for this one. No one wants pots, regardless of whether they'll work or not, people are just fed up with them. They should have used some form of digital sensors and incorporated it into the price of the sticks if they had to.
SOB
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Bottom line here...if it has mechanical pots it will either 1) Suck now or 2) suck soon.
Why in hell is MS the only device using digital optics?
If MS would make a throttle and rudders to go with a PrecPro type stick they would rule!
Yeager
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I found the digital to be alittle touchy, but I've used mechanical pots for so long, I suppose its just a matter of dampening, etc.
I always have back-up pots for my CH gear, and a simple email will get you new pots at your doorstep within a week. I spray them with WD-40 and actually got 8 months out of my last pair of pots...usually the X axis goes bad first, so, I would say that I go thru maybe 3 pots a year...? Takes about 1 min to change them.
Used to be a Thrusty beta tester early 90's, good stuff but I found CH products to be easier to change pots, and no GOD-D$@&M broken spring problems that I ALWAYS had on every make and model of TM gear, including their peddles.
CH Products now, and happy.
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For the money , USB PrePro is a better stick than the FFeedBack one . I have had both . You are going to miss the Hands on Throttle the most I think . I use a CH Pro with my Microsoft stick right now , most games let u either have multi controlers or use the key pad to run the throttle .
Never knew what a spike was till I bought a CH product , hehe . Love my throttle though . Buttons buttons , lol .
Twist stick ? Yep some moves are a pain in the wrist , but you will most likly be one hell of a snap shot in no time at all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) .
It either MS stick has a nice 8 way hat too , fits me like a glove (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
cheers spro
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Originally posted by airspro:
Never knew what a spike was till I bought a CH product , hehe .
I actually had a CH product delivered new with a bad pot! Alot of stick spiking problems can be solved with a good joystick utility program as well.
I've tried the following:
MS Sidewinder
TM
CH Products
Still with CH Products but I am in no way committed to them, hope to try others JS out during the con to see what I like.
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Saitek Cyborg3D #1
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Hristo,
I went the other way round... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
The last few years of my sim career I was flying with the SW FF Pro and loved it! The stick force can be adjusted just to your needs and it's very smooth and excact. No spikes at all. Twisty rudder is quite easy to learn and makes gunnery a lot easier. Now that was before AH...
AH made the SW practically unusable due to anti-stick-stirring-code. Ok the problem was solved but other arrised. As mentioned you just haven't got enough buttons. Though I had no problem using keyboard for most of the flight functions the SW came to its limit with trim. The main reason I switched to the SaitekX36 HOTAS was that I needed a second coolie on the stick for trimming! Perhaps CT will negate this advantage but until now it's a must (for me). Although I am still learning rudder pedals (rusty old CH Pro I found in the basement... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) I must say that it excels the twisty thing in many aspects. Obviously it's more realistic, gunnery maybe more intuitive but for manouvers that include rudder input pedals are mandatory - it's a pain flying the ball with the twisty thing...
All in all I am very very satisfied with my X36 combo - it has potentiometers though and I don't know what it will look like in a few months but I think the enchanced control and realism is worth the effort. The SW FF is a great allround stick at a good price which you can use for FS decently but not a replacement for a real HOTAS. For a pilot of your quality I don't see any alternative... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Kirin
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Just because you use an ms stick doesn't mean you can't use a seperate throttle and rudder pedals .
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oh I forgot something - although FF is a nice feature when supported it can be a real problem:
Since the stick force is controled by the motors and not a spring or something you get a nasty dead zone around the center position. Centered there is no force at all, move the stick some degree and suddenly full force is applied (even if tuned down to minmum) - this can be bad when you need to adjust your stick very slightly... Fighter Squadron is almost unplayable for this reason. (yah ok they have serious problems with the SW FF - soooooo sensitive... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) but this might be worth considering...
If I was to buy a SW I would choose the plain Sidewinder Precision Pro... no FF but same stick quality at a very good price...
Kirin out again...
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I went from a SW 3D pro (which I had for 3 years, and loved it) to Wingman Interceptor, and CH pro pedals.
I dont think I could go back to twisty sticks. Haveing had the rock solid prefomance of the MS, I couldnt buy a stick with POTS. After reading up on lots of sticks, I choose this Logitech. No POTS (magnetic like the Simped Vario pedals) 3-8 way hats and well placed buttons, good software. I would suggest looking into it for 58 dollars US.
Great Stick!
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Aces High doesn't support Force Feedback. My Microsoft FF was so great for Warbirds. You could feel a stall coming on and feel how fast you were going by the stiffness of the stick. Unfortunately, there are no such effects yet in Aces High. They plan to support it but it isn't high on the list they say.
I have no problem using the twisting rudder but I've read all over this board that it's no comparison to rudder pedals.
Microsoft FF does not work with any pedals on the market except one, Hoffman (I think that's the name). These pedals are brand new and cost $100 and I've read good things about them.
I'm actually considering changing to a HOTAS system since AH doesn't support FF. I also really want to try rudder pedals out.
Hope this helps.
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RUST
(http://home.earthlink.net/~rocketace/_uimages/rustsbucketp38small.jpg)
[This message has been edited by rust (edited 09-05-2000).]
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I have a usb ms stick and gameport pedals . No you can't use pedals with ms stick on the same port . But in aces high you don't have to, that's just one of the things that makes AH such a bithcin game .
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Wow, thanks for som many replies, guys...
Saitek, you say ? You know, I could go with any equipment now, but TM made me so sceptical about anything that has pots. If I would have to chose between stable stick or more buttons, I know I would choose a reliable stick.
Also, I remember Pirado saying that FF would give you a feedback on how close you were to stall etc. A nice feature IMO, replacing the stall horn. I have also found about Hofman Simped rudder pedals working with MS stick. So, no twisty stick (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Anyway, I will take more time with this and choose carefully.
And Yeager, I agree. If something has pots it will either suck at first or soon. At least my expensive TM gear acted this way.
Expect more quastions about different gear in the future...
thanks
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Kirin, you made me thinking now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Few questions please...
Do you have USB or gameport version of X36 ?
I remember seeing Funked's reply somewhere where he stated that USB doesn't have the electrical noise of gameport equpiment. Even though, I am done with TM.
How long have you been using the X36 ?
Did you ever see any spiking ? Even the smallest ones ?
Is the AH cailbration curve perfectly smooth when you deflect the stick ?
Is it possible to use gameport rudders with USB gear ?
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I use gameport TM Elite rudder pedals with a usb ms precision pro stick . I also have a gameport throttle plugged into the rudders .
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Hey guys,
I use the MS Sidewinder FF Pro and really like the feel. I've also never had a single spike or had to recalibrate. The thing is dead-nuts on with calibration and limits. It is rock solid.
The twisty stick for the rudder isn't too bad in my opinion. Once you get used to it, it is really OK. I think I would like pedals but I've yet to see a set that looks like they are built worth a damn - so if no suitable pedals are available, twisty stick wins for me.
Yup - no FF support in AH - but the FF centering has a nice feel to it. And yep - there is the tiniest bit of slop at the center. But you get used to it. Consider it as loose mountings in yer airplane. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
The only drawback I see to the FF and it is easily fixed with a piece of tape is that it has a sensor to tell when a hand is holding it. The FF is disabled whenever nobody holds the stick so it doesn't go banging around. So take your hand off the stick to go grab a beer and you may come back to a spiraled-in plane if the stick flops over to the side. Also, if you are pulling hard and unblock the sensor, the stick will quit resisting and you can lose your line, etc.
But after using the FF Pro, whenever I've used other sticks they just don't feel right. I hate to say it but the FF Pro just has a real nice feel that is a pretty good approximation of regular stick forces in an airplane.
I've gone the pot route with cleaning and replacement before the Sidewinder opticals and have never ever looked back.
The only reason I can think of that others haven't mimicked the optical input is because of patent limitations. I'd bet that Microsoft locked up as many variations on the optical input as they possibly could. They use a quadrant system and ratio the light levels to determine stick position but there are other ways - crossed polarizers, linear arrays, area arrays - but they could be fiddly and/or more expensive.
But it would definitely be in other manufacturer's interest to go optical. You just can't beat ZERO wear. There are high-priced pots out there with wear measured in the millions of cycles but they cost a lot more than the cheap pots the other guys are using now. The other manufacturers need to realize they have to bite the bullet and either go optical or with better pots.
Actually there are other techniques that could be used that may not be covered by patent - just a little more exotic and take more than a high-school electronics class to be able to design in. Magnetic, inductive, and capacitive sensors could also easily be used - none would have rubbing or wear and would be maintenance free.
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Since we're on the subject . Has anybody got the microsoft strategic comander yet ? It looks like it might make a kickbutt throttle .
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Good reading Renfield, your probably right about the patent! It seems to me there is a huge hole in the market for a complete quality setup. Why the hell doesnt MS make pedals? Doesnt make sense.
Btw, The Interceptor is magnetic.
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I've been trying to remember where I heard about another set of pedals that got alot of attention in the recent past and came up with this ... http://www.combatsim.com/htm/dec98/pedal-hoff.htm (http://www.combatsim.com/htm/dec98/pedal-hoff.htm)
Now these look to be the real deal. They got a great review as well. The main thing I like right off the bat is the distance between the pedals themselves. This is the one thing I could never get used to with CH pedals, they were just too close together and using them felt very awkward. Now these Simped Pedals look perfect.
And they appear to be compatible with most sticks as well.
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I'd go for US made gear like CH Products (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
For rudders; Hoffman Electronic Simpeds. Best there is.
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
[This message has been edited by StSanta (edited 09-07-2000).]
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Bah, so sad there isn't a superior HOTAS out there. What we have now is Thrustmaster with bad pots and no FF, MS with good hardware but not true flight sim stick, Logitech somewhere near MS, Saitek with pots.
Why doesn't someone make it right :
USB gear
full HOTAS, like Thrustmaster
optical sensors, like Microsoft
Force feedback, like Microsoft
Well, I guess I'd have to wait some more with this.
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Amazing I havent heard someone pop up with the Suncom route.... last person I knew that had one flew for hours on end (like myself) and never once had a prob with their design... personaly I like my MS SW Pre Pro only 3 downsides. the rudder seems to have a drift in it that gets anoying and its not as accurate for some slight manuvering. and the throttle always has me reaching for the right side of the keyboard with my left hand... one other MINOR annoyance is going from the MS SW PRO to the PRE PRO was the hat seemed small and a bit higher but over all more comfort in design.
Im currently looking into getting the Suncom dual throttle and Simped Vario pedels... any one out there with this set up?
does the simped vario recenter without pressure being applied?
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Also a TM user gone sidewinder. My PFCS lasted me about five years and was great for WW2 sims.. even the pots worked great only had to replace one once. Eventually wound up wearing out the buttons on the stick (I fly a LOT).
I tried some newer TM sticks but although they were sturdy the pots would wear out in no time. I used the CH pedals a lot but they are so close together they damaged my knee (yeah I know stop flying so much hehe).
Eventually went MS USB pre pro and what a difference.. refuelling in F4 was a breeze going from my TM stick. I've had it a year and a half .. most sticks I wear out in weeks.
Even the twist rudder is not too bad after you get used to it. Only thing I'd like is a seperate (pot-less) throttle and a more PFCS style grip/resistance.
TS
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Aircat, I had a Suncom stick, with the dual throttle . Although the stick was heavy and had a very good feel to it, it only had a 4 way hat . It spiked and drifted pretty bad, and just got worse . Alot of the hotas switches on the throttle wore out and stopped working after about a year .
They're both in my joystick graveyard now; they had a short life. Too bad Suncom doesn't make a digital .
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as a stick I'll most likely stay with my pre pro... antone else know of a good split style throttle that isnt like CH where its to blocky?
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Been flying for 4 years now on my MS 3d pro.
Wouldn't trade it for anything else I've seen to date.
However, I am intersted in a good split throttle with lots of buttons (preferably USB) to put together with a new sidewinder Prec Pro (also hopefully USB).
My old 3d pro is starting to show some wear. Although it's still rock solid, no spikes, no drift. Just more slop around the center than when new.
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One other thing I should add . I try to buy alot of my computer stuff at CompUSA. That way I can try it for a few days and if I don't like it for any reason I can just take it back . Thats something to consider since controller setups are a small investment .
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try CH f-16 combat stick......have been using one for 4 years and is still rock solid! cH guarantees their equipment for 3 years. I have a CH F-16 combat stick, CH Pedals, and cH pro throttle that allows you to program your cH stick! MS sidewinder you're asking for trouble with the twist rudder, not realistic anyway if your a die hard simmer, don't recall reading about bong, or for that matter galland twisting their joystick to activate rudder <G> I also know that NASA uses the f-16 combat stick for their space shuttle simulator...
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Had the saitek analogue and suffered all the problems with pots and spiking like crazy. Saitek send new pots 2 weeks later spiking like crazy and on and on.
Heard good stuff about the Saitek X36 USB and bought it.
6 months later not even 1 spike "EVER".
It is totally smooth, it may have pots but the signal is completely digital over the USB port and this gets around all the problems i suffered with an analogue pot setup.
For smooth play in AH i have reduced the joystick response around the centre position using the AH config.
If anybody buys one try this as an alternative to Rangerbobs AH setup for the X36 USB only, not the older analogue version.
http://www.cavalier.cwc.net/DLFiles/aceshigh%20profile.psi (http://www.cavalier.cwc.net/DLFiles/aceshigh%20profile.psi)
Its a fighter only config but hey thats what i fly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The only thing that would improve this for me would be floor mounted rudders.
Btw has anybody seen a bad report of the X36 USB ?
Ignore all references to the older analogue version cos that was a piece of crap but they sure learnt what to correct.
Oh and make sure you DL the latest version of the saitek install program and DO NOT load the version that comes in the box as last i heard the latest version corrected a lot of bugs.
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I have had the analog X36 since late 1997. I finally got it working about a month before the USB version came to market.
To clean spiking pots, I took the stick apart and took the cap off the pot. Next I soaked a piece of paper with denatured alcohol and wiped the paper between the carbon and wiper of the pot. It took 2 or 3 times before all spiking stopped, but it was the resolution to the spiking problem!!!
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I was tired of my old Thrustmaster F22 Pro and Tqs due to constant problems and no support.
I went with the only USB Throttle and Stick available on the market. The Saitek x36 combo is an excellent choice for someone switching from Thrustmaster. The feel is better and the set up will be very familiar. This excellent combination has numerous hats and buttons for you to program. You won't like switching from a throttle and stick to just a Stick, and there just aren't enough buttons to program on the MS sticks.
I highly recommend this stick and you can download my Saitek profile from the Download page. A new profile with the new Padlock views etc has been sent and should be available for download soon.
Make sure you get the USB version as the analog one has all sorts of problems for some reason.
Ranger Bob
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Thanks for the input, guys. Seems X36 USB might be a good choice. 6 months no spike at all ???!! Impressive !
So, how about rudder pedals working with X36 USB. Any tips ?
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http://www.stickworks.com (http://www.stickworks.com)
the problem with X36+external pedals and a file to fix them!
seems I will be going same route but will hold onto my MS Pre Pro incase I cant stand the other stick.... or to teach my wife to fly with.. (hehe I will then finaly be able to get my agressions out on her (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
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The x36 USB and rudder pedals are an excellent choice.
I used this stick with old Thrustmaster analog pedals and it worked fine. I am now using it with CH USB Pedals and it works even better.
The pedals are easy to set up in AH by going to setup joystick area and assigning the pedals to the rudder.
If you have an analog set of pedals you need to set them up as another stick in Windows. Aircat's suggestion to get the stickworks file sounds great. I have it, but don't need it in AH with USB pedals.
Be aware that other flight sims may not be set up to use USB sticks and USB pedals.
Hitech has programmed Aces High to make it as easy as possible to set up USB pedals.
You'll love them
Ranger Bob
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hmm I should have been more clear... the earlier files primarily for X36 USB with gameport pedals. usualy the rocker button on the stick is the rudder and does not like to give ups its job. I wish there was more USB pedals out on the market :O( but the only I've found are CH Pro USB but they look a little close together for me.
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Just as a note, I've used both the Thrusmaster pedals and the CH USB Prop Pedals. I too was wondering about the pedals looking to be a bit close together, but I much prefer these CH Pedals over the Thrusmaster ones.
Ranger Bob
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Have used MS,(not enough buttons) Logitech (not enough buttons) and now X36 combo which is great... also using the German Hoff something rudders which have worked great thou they are only gameport... X36 is USB by the way
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My $.02 in this one. I have used TM gear for several years and have only had one bad experience with it. I bought a F-16 FLCS when they first came out and it shipped with bad POTs. However I called TM and they cross shipped me a new one overnight and I was up and running in no time. The one I have now is identical to the setup I had then which is a F-16 FLCS, TQS and RCS (metal ones not Elite). I have heard some people ran into some serious problems a couple of years ago. I did not have any TM gear then and have no idea what the problems were other than what has been listed here.
I have had this setup since Febrauary of this year and have not had any problems out of it at all. I bought it in "almost" new condition then and when I got it I broke it down and cleaned and tightened just to check it out.
I ordered some new POTs the other day just because I like to have a spare set for an emergency. I am waiting on the next generation of HOTAS from Guillemot/TM to show up soon I hope. It is supposed to be optical with USB connections and possibly Force Feedback in some versions.
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Maj. LJK_Reschke
Jagdbomber I-31, StaffelKapitaen JaboStaffel Ein
Kommandeur Jagdbomber, LuftJagerKorps
www.luftjagerkorps.com
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MSFF and hoffman pedals here. But as pointed out above, ya really need a throttle in this game.
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The "Bob Church" digital chip upgrade for the F22 and the FLCS put life back into my 10 year old, changed the pots once FLCS.
Rock solid!
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"Who's next?"
Naso
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Can I interject in here.
SUNCOM (www.suncominc.com) has IMHO the best set up for stick/throttle. Yes they use pots, but guess what, a year warrenty that you can send the stick in and get a new one. Ive done it twice now.
Also COST, for 89 bux you can have the F15 Talon (Dont get anyother) and the SFS throttle.
The Throttle and the stick both have 4 mememory banks that you can program on the fly.
Press mem button
Press switch you want to program
press key you want there
press mem button
Your ready to fly. I do it a lot in the air.
I know its off brand but I tried it and now will not use anything else (Former TM and CH user)
Throttle is a split throttle too for you F15 jocks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
TTFN
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Rick "Firefox" Scott
AH ID: FirefxAT
WB ID: =frfx=
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With regard to getting some stick inputs
right with the twisty rudder on the MS
Precision Pro, the thing I find hard is putting in right rudder (I am right handed). So I tend to go for left turns in extremis. One thing to is to angle the stick to the left so rather than front-back for down-up,
you are at an angle 30 degrees to the left (reverse if you are left handed). Now twisting right seems a little easier for me.
There's still a tendency to induce some right bank when twisting right, which doesn't happen when twisting left, but it seems a bit easier on the wrist.
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Suave1, you say you have gameport pedals & throttle with USB MSPP? Just curious what kind of throttle & how much did the pedals & throttle cost? I've been using USB MSPP for about a year, like the feel, but I've been irritated with the twisty stick since day one & would love to add pedals, ditto with the lack of buttons/only 1 hat thing. I've tried adding commands using that silly shift button, but usually end up either forgetting which ones were what & accidentally using the wrong one (not fun dropping gear in a 450 mph dive when I was trying to adjust trim, hehe), so a throttle would really be great.
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