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Title: A very interesting fighter
Post by: PanosGR on June 25, 2010, 10:26:29 AM
one of the less know WWII Italian fighters and one of fastest. I think this machine should be include in AH roster.
The only serious disadvantage it could not exceed 800 km/h in a dive. Other than that an excellent fighter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggiane_Re.2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggiane_Re.2005)

Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: fbWldcat on June 25, 2010, 10:29:40 AM
How effective were they with only 48 being built?  :rofl
Another source says only 37 were built.

Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: mechanic on June 25, 2010, 10:40:26 AM
Flown this plane in another sim, it is very good from what that sim modeled it as. Would be a contender in the LW definitely (again, if that sim had it right)
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Yossarian on June 25, 2010, 01:21:35 PM
800kmh in a dive isn't at all sloppy!

+1
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: BrownBaron on June 25, 2010, 01:28:47 PM
+1 for the Italian spixteen
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: fbWldcat on June 25, 2010, 02:21:24 PM
It is a good aircraft, yes, but does it have the numbers to be considered? Mechanic's post about it being in another sim makes me wonder..... Hell, I don't see why not, the Italians need some fighters    :banana:
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Boozeman on June 25, 2010, 02:27:28 PM
How effective were they with only 48 being built?  :rofl
Another source says only 37 were built.



What does effectiveness have to do with the numbers built? Finnish Brewsters were built in similar numbers, and proved to be quite effective in finnish service.
The low production numbers are simply due to the fact that for Italy the war ended before more could be rolled out.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: MiloMorai on June 25, 2010, 02:56:14 PM
How effective were they with only 48 being built?  :rofl
Another source says only 37 were built.

And, how many Ta 152Hs were built? Iirc, there is only 43 known WNr of completed Ta 152H-0s and Ta 152H-1s.

How effective were the Ta 152Hs?
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: fbWldcat on June 25, 2010, 03:15:04 PM
Okay, I got the point a while ago. I didn't think before posting. I get it now. Thanks.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Kev367th on June 25, 2010, 03:44:38 PM
And, how many Ta 152Hs were built? Iirc, there is only 43 known WNr of completed Ta 152H-0s and Ta 152H-1s.

How effective were the Ta 152Hs?

Isn't there one of the 110's even rarer than the 152's?
In that the engines modelled may have been ultra rare?
Just seem to recall a thread many moons ago on them.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: fbWldcat on June 25, 2010, 04:38:23 PM
I brought up production numbers because there was a thread somewhere about a bunch of different fighters, some of which were produced in like the low hundreds and people complained they didn't have any flying time to prove themselves. I dunno. I'd like to add the fighter, we could always use another Italian plane. I had to think about it though, doing a lot of work lately. Late nights aren't an excuse for being stupid. :D
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: palef on June 25, 2010, 05:12:44 PM
Fiat G.55 would do the trick!
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: STEELE on June 25, 2010, 05:17:18 PM
Also, how many 47M's were produced? Not many IIRC
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Karnak on June 25, 2010, 05:38:29 PM
Difference being that the P-47M required no 3D model changes.  The Ta152H could be largely based on the Fw190D-9 model.  The Re2005 would require its own unique model.  Also, does the performance data exist?

All of that is up to HTC.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: BrownBaron on June 25, 2010, 05:59:31 PM
Hm. It's like the D-9 of the C.2 family.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Karnak on June 25, 2010, 07:59:59 PM
Hm. It's like the D-9 of the C.2 family.
It is 100% unrelated to the C.2 family.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: BrownBaron on June 25, 2010, 08:03:33 PM
It is 100% unrelated to the C.2 family.

This I know, I am not a complete idiot, thank you very much.

I was simply comparing its longer sleeker lines to those of the very similar family of airframes.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: morfiend on June 26, 2010, 12:03:11 AM
Isn't there one of the 110's even rarer than the 152's?
In that the engines modelled may have been ultra rare?
Just seem to recall a thread many moons ago on them.


  Kev,I think your refering to the Bf110C 4b,it's equipped with high alt engines,IDRC the exact model of hand.

  It appears it was a rather low production unit but I'd have to look up the exact number produced.

   :salute
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: DCCBOSS on June 26, 2010, 08:57:15 AM
It looks like a nice addition, but was it flown enough to make the requirements for HTC. I would be in favor of bringing this plane so it gets my vote +1
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: bozon on June 26, 2010, 01:02:11 PM
Also, how many 47M's were produced? Not many IIRC
133 according to one source.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Ruah on June 28, 2010, 06:55:17 PM
Engine One 1,475 hp Daimler-Benz DB 605A-1 V-12 inline liquid-cooled piston. 
Dimensions:  Span: 36 ft 1 in / 11 m.
Length: 28 ft 7 3/4 in / 8.73 m.
Height: 10 ft 4 in / 3.15 m.
Wing area: 219.58 sq ft / 20.4 m2. 
Weights:  Empty: 5,732 lb / 2,600 kg.
Maximum: 7,960 lb / 3,610 kg. 
Max speed:  6,560 ft / 2,000 m: 421 mph / 678 kph
13,120 ft / 4,000 m: 351 mph / 565 kph
22,800 ft / 6,950 m: 421 mph / 678 kph
22,965 ft / 7,000 m: 421 mph / 678 kph 
Cruise speed:  320 mph / 515 kph 
climb rate: Time to  6,560 ft / 2,000 m: 1 min 55 sec
13,120 ft / 4,000 m: 4 min 28 sec
19,685 ft / 6,000 m: 5 min 
Service ceiling: 37,730 ft / 11,500 m 
Range:  609 miles / 980 km. 
Crew  one
Armament: 
Two 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns with 350 rounds each in upper engine cowling.
One 20 mm Mauser MG 151 cannon with 150 rounds firing through propellor hub.
Two 20 mm Mauser MG 151 cannon with 200 rounds each in wings.
Up to 2,200 lb / 1,000 kg bomb or fuel tank under fuselage.
Two wing hardpoints for 353 lb / 160 kg of bombs or fuel tanks.
 

http://www.aldini.it/re2005/performances.htm
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: olds442 on June 28, 2010, 11:08:37 PM
800kmh in a dive isn't at all sloppy!

+1
SCREW khm ITS mph  :banana: :lol :lol
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: fbWldcat on June 29, 2010, 12:33:18 AM
SCREW khm ITS mph  :banana: :lol :lol

The rest of the world (meaning not America) is smart enough to have the metric system as the standard. Metric is much easier, you count by tens and a Millimeter is more precise than an inch. Just some food for thought.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: bozon on June 29, 2010, 04:16:31 AM
The rest of the world (meaning not America) is smart enough to have the metric system as the standard. Metric is much easier, you count by tens and a Millimeter is more precise than an inch. Just some food for thought.
If at least they used knots which is in nautical miles then it would make some sense. A nautical mile is 1 arc minute on the circumference of the earth. Makes it a bit easier to convert from coordinates to actual distance on a sphere.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: fbWldcat on June 29, 2010, 09:29:17 AM
If at least they used knots which is in nautical miles then it would make some sense. A nautical mile is 1 arc minute on the circumference of the earth. Makes it a bit easier to convert from coordinates to actual distance on a sphere.

Exactly. The old English system of measurement... 4 gills= 1 pint, 2 pints= 1 quart, 4 quarts= gallon, 31.5 gallons= barrel. 12 inches= foot, 3 feet= yard. 5,280 ft= a mile. WTF!?

In metric, 10mm is equal to one cm. one gram is equal to 1000 milligrams. You count by tens and it can't get much simpler. I hope the change is made in my lifetime.  :rolleyes:




...and now back to the topic.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: BnZs on June 29, 2010, 07:08:48 PM
Oh yes, obviously convenience and homogenization are the only worthwhile goals in life. Why, I positively look FORWARD to the day when everyone from Greenland to Chile, from Kamchakta to Ireland, from Albania to Zambia, is not only measuring with the same oh-so-convenient decimal "math for dummies" increments, but also drinking the same Coca-Cola, eating the same McDonalds/PizzaHut/Taco Bell takeout, and watching "American Idol" on their tvs while wearing virtually identical shorts, T-shirts, and ballcaps...what a WONDERFUL world it will be with no inconvenient differences between us.

Feet, Bushels, Rods, Fathoms, Shaku, Bu, Cubits, Forgengs, Dessiatines and etc. forever!!!!

Exactly. The old English system of measurement... 4 gills= 1 pint, 2 pints= 1 quart, 4 quarts= gallon, 31.5 gallons= barrel. 12 inches= foot, 3 feet= yard. 5,280 ft= a mile. WTF!?

In metric, 10mm is equal to one cm. one gram is equal to 1000 milligrams. You count by tens and it can't get much simpler. I hope the change is made in my lifetime.  :rolleyes:




...and now back to the topic.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Letalis on June 29, 2010, 07:49:24 PM
The 47M and the C-Hog are awesome and great additions to the game but with airframes built easily measured in dozens the purist in me cries out for the Yak-3, P-40N, Beaufighter and the Pe-2! These aircraft were much more likely to be seen in the skies of WWII.   :salute
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: fbWldcat on June 29, 2010, 08:54:22 PM
Oh yes, obviously convenience and homogenization are the only worthwhile goals in life. Why, I positively look FORWARD to the day when everyone from Greenland to Chile, from Kamchakta to Ireland, from Albania to Zambia, is not only measuring with the same oh-so-convenient decimal "math for dummies" increments, but also drinking the same Coca-Cola, eating the same McDonalds/PizzaHut/Taco Bell takeout, and watching "American Idol" on their tvs while wearing virtually identical shorts, T-shirts, and ballcaps...what a WONDERFUL world it will be with no inconvenient differences between us.

Feet, Bushels, Rods, Fathoms, Shaku, Bu, Cubits, Forgengs, Dessiatines and etc. forever!!!!


Well that was certainly a reaction to such a small statement :lol
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: BnZs on June 30, 2010, 12:09:02 AM
Well that was certainly a reaction to such a small statement :lol

It's meant in fun.  :D

Kinda.  :mad:
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: fbWldcat on June 30, 2010, 12:26:56 AM
It's meant in fun.  :D

Kinda.  :mad:

Undoubtedly  :aok
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: AAJagerX on June 30, 2010, 12:41:35 PM
I'd like to see this one sometime.  It'd pack a heck of a punch.  Sweet lookin bird too.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Bubbajj on July 15, 2010, 05:54:38 PM
The G55 is better lookin IMO. According to Wiki, there was a 5 20mm version  :O .
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: bustr on July 15, 2010, 06:58:06 PM
The United States is too large of a country and economy to easily change to the metric system due to existing contract law, property law and monitairy unit value. Our measurment system is part of our national identity. Changing to the metric system ultimately looses traction because it is equated with turning the United States into Europe. The lack of standardization is frustrating on face value. But, what is missed in the overal argument, nature abhors the eventual stagnation introduced by standardization in evironments as evidenced by evolution and competition. Fall of Rome.

Different units of measure reflect diverse world views and coping strategies in a complex environment. The resulting competition generates new discoveries, promotes commerce, and helps hold off the negative tendancy by human beings to form into standardised steady state devolving groups. Homogenius groups of humans do have the most productive communities with lower leves of interpersonal strife. If we call strife competition or conflict, you need that to introduce some form of motivation to the biological entities forming the group to do other than become lazy narcasistic BORG.

Can anyone say Western POP Culture...........   
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: fbWldcat on July 15, 2010, 09:05:12 PM
Bustr, did you write your college thesis on the subject?  :rofl

Well put, my good man.  :aok
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Noir on July 16, 2010, 07:15:19 AM
different units of measure promotes commerce? Thats a new one  :O
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: MiloMorai on July 16, 2010, 11:57:20 AM
different units of measure promotes commerce? Thats a new one  :O

Why would the rest of the world want to buy American products that require a different set of tools to work on those products.

Be sure Americans are depleting there product market.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: BnZs on July 16, 2010, 02:43:05 PM
Why would the rest of the world want to buy American products that require a different set of tools to work on those products.

Be sure Americans are depleting there product market.

Maybe it makes alot of sense for people in America to drive cars made in America, people in England to drive cars made in England, people in Japan to drive cars made in Japan, and so forth...
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Motherland on July 16, 2010, 03:05:34 PM
Maybe it makes alot of sense for people in America to drive cars made in America, people in England to drive cars made in England, people in Japan to drive cars made in Japan, and so forth...
But it doesn't
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: milesobrian on July 16, 2010, 03:20:47 PM
Maybe it makes alot of sense for people in America to drive cars made in America, people in England to drive cars made in England, people in Japan to drive cars made in Japan, and so forth...


Inter country trade is one of the FEW Things that actually keep the peace between many nations.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: BigKev03 on July 18, 2010, 09:40:22 PM
Fiat G.55 would do the trick!

Ouch!!  If i am correct (didnt check the historical file of the G.55) but I think that thing had 3 20mm guns along with the 12.7mm guns?  It would be nice.

BigKev
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: jay on July 21, 2010, 06:28:41 AM
It is a good aircraft, yes, but does it have the numbers to be considered? Mechanic's post about it being in another sim makes me wonder..... Hell, I don't see why not, the Italians need some fighters    :banana:

unfortunately the italians built there planes like there cars one piece at a time and very carefully lol
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: BoilerDown on July 21, 2010, 12:47:55 PM
The United States is too large of a country and economy to easily change to the metric system due to existing contract law, property law and monitairy unit value. Our measurment system is part of our national identity. Changing to the metric system ultimately looses traction because it is equated with turning the United States into Europe. The lack of standardization is frustrating on face value. But, what is missed in the overal argument, nature abhors the eventual stagnation introduced by standardization in evironments as evidenced by evolution and competition. Fall of Rome.

Different units of measure reflect diverse world views and coping strategies in a complex environment. The resulting competition generates new discoveries, promotes commerce, and helps hold off the negative tendancy by human beings to form into standardised steady state devolving groups. Homogenius groups of humans do have the most productive communities with lower leves of interpersonal strife. If we call strife competition or conflict, you need that to introduce some form of motivation to the biological entities forming the group to do other than become lazy narcasistic BORG.

Can anyone say Western POP Culture...........   

Nice post.  I will say that it also causes the occasional space probe to miss its target, when the American (ie English) to metric conversion isn't done properly. 

To our friends in other nations, I will point out that science, engineering, and medicine, among many others, are indeed done in metric, even here in the US.  People educated in the sciences are expected and required to be able to use the metric system, as their individual industries require.  The conversion back to american standard is often done in the last step for the American consumer's benefit, a step not taken for everyone else.

I for one would be fine with converting to metric for almost everything, with one notable exception.  Everyday temperature measurements are better done in Fahrenheit than Celsius.  Trying to figure out how hot or cold 15 degrees C really feels is a total pain in the ass.  First, its not very precise, as I never see weather reports in Celsius given to a tenth of a degree.  Fahrenheit is a smaller unit and therefore is more precise, giving a better indication of the temperature.  Fahrenheit is also better at describing everyday temperatures throughout the year... temperatures are almost always described with two digits.  If you get to a third digit, you know its damn hot outside and you better take care.  If you get to one digit its very cold outside and you better dress warm.  Whereas for Celsius, the difference from 0 to 9 degrees C is huge, as is the difference from 30 to 39.  In Celsius, telling someone the temperature is "in the single digits" is a useless statement.  The fact is that for everyday life, Fahrenheit is superior.

Obviously Celsius should be used in science and technology though, no dispute on that, and it is.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: MiloMorai on July 21, 2010, 01:51:03 PM
Can you tell the difference between 68F and 69F?

Then there is the freezing point. With metric one knows that is below the freezing point.

All you have to is remember a few temperatures,

10C is 50F
20C is 68F
30C is 86F

In other words every degree centigrade is ~<2 degrees farenheit.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Simba on July 23, 2010, 04:12:00 PM
"In metric, 10mm is equal to one cm. one gram is equal to 1000 milligrams. You count by tens and it can't get much simpler. I hope the change is made in my lifetime."

It was made in my yoof, here in Blighty - which is why this ol' cat's li'l brain is doubly-endowed Imperially and Metrically.

 :cool:
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: RufusLeaking on July 23, 2010, 04:19:54 PM
I for one would be fine with converting to metric for almost everything, with one notable exception.  Everyday temperature measurements are better done in Fahrenheit than Celsius. 
My fellow Boilermaker, you are forgetting the importance of a pint of beer, a quarter pounder, a foot long, and the fifty yard line.

Back to the OP, yes on the Re 2005, along with the G.55.  And any other airplane/vehicle/ship.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: INSANO2 on July 23, 2010, 04:32:42 PM
Fiat G55 was a much better plane. Picture a C205 on steroids with 3 20mm and 2 50 cals
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: milesobrian on July 23, 2010, 05:30:50 PM
My fellow Boilermaker, you are forgetting the importance of a pint of beer, a quarter pounder, a foot long, and the fifty yard line.

Back to the OP, yes on the Re 2005, along with the G.55.  And any other airplane/vehicle/ship.


how is a fifty yard line important we could just switch to meters and it wouldnt be THAT much different

i dont think anyof those things are that important, at least important enough to stifle progress...but if food beer and sports is that important to you i guess it dosent matter what system you use.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 23, 2010, 05:53:42 PM

how is a fifty yard line important we could just switch to meters and it wouldnt be THAT much different


The NFL would become the Canadian Football League and we all know the Canadian Football League sucks.


ack-ack
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: milesobrian on July 23, 2010, 06:58:25 PM
The NFL would become the Canadian Football League and we all know the Canadian Football League sucks.


ack-ack



who cares the nfl dosent even matter, its just a game.   Its not like by a accepting the metric system that these things will just magically cease to exist...their will still be hot dogs and hamburgers and beer, and sports.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Enker on July 23, 2010, 08:24:37 PM


who cares the nfl dosent even matter, its just a game.   Its not like by a accepting the metric system that these things will just magically cease to exist...their will still be hot dogs and hamburgers and beer, and sports.
What did the old man in 1984 say? "A half-liter of beer is too little, and a full liter causes my bladder distress. A pint is just right."
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Rino on July 23, 2010, 10:00:52 PM
.
(R.I.P. Sense of humor)
 :D
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: MiloMorai on July 23, 2010, 10:27:44 PM
What did the old man in 1984 say? "A half-liter of beer is too little, and a full liter causes my bladder distress. A pint is just right."

An American pint is less than a half-liter.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: Bubbajj on July 24, 2010, 02:16:36 AM
A centimeter is merely an arbitrary length equal to .3937 inches.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: BoilerDown on July 24, 2010, 08:19:27 AM
The NFL would become the Canadian Football League and we all know the Canadian Football League sucks.


ack-ack

That's cause it should be 4 downs until the ball is turned over, not 3.  I like the all eligible receivers can motion at once rule though.

Even in Canadian football, they use yards.  Which is weird cause they use 110 of them.  You'd think they might switch it to meters based on the larger field, and keep it at 100, but they didn't.

McDonalds tastes horrible and should never be eaten.  You got me on the foot long thing... the approximately .3 meter long from Subway doesn't have near the same appeal.

 :lol
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: MiloMorai on July 24, 2010, 09:30:05 AM
The CFL endzone is also larger.

1/4 meter hotdog.
Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
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Title: Re: A very interesting fighter
Post by: froger on July 29, 2010, 02:15:23 AM
Fix It Again Tony   :neener: