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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Brooke on June 28, 2010, 06:43:40 PM
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It is November, 1944, and MacArthur has returned. With the battle of Leyte Gulf just completed, the Fleet Carrier Task Forces of the US Navy have moved off to hit the northern islands of the Philippines. On Leyte, units of General Kenney's Fifth Air Force and several Navy and Marine squadrons remain to cover the newly gained foothold. The Japanese, intent on reversing the recent tide of battle, have moved several elite aviation units to the Philippines with the start of Operation Sho-Go 1. Both sides are desperate and going all out to win control of the skies and seas of the southern Philippines.
It will be the F4U-1A & D, P-38J & L, P-47D-11 & -25, FM-2, B-24J, and B-25C & H, against the N1K2-J, Ki-84, Ki-61, A6M5b, and Ki-67. The whole of the southern Philippine Islands is a battlefield, featuring dogfights in the sky, strategic bombing of targets on the land, and antishipping attacks and ship vs. ship battles at sea.
Please join us for the fight!
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More details are available here:
http://www.ahevents.org/scenario-current-or-next.html
It runs Saturdays, with Show-Up Time being 3 pm Eastern in the Special Events II arena. Dates as follows.
July 31: test frame -- please all attend
August 7: frame 1
August 14: frame 2
August 21: frame 3
August 28: frame 4
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Registration will open on July 2nd at 8 pm Eastern Time.
What you register for is what you will fly, first come, first served.
So if you want a particular plane or to fly with particular people, please register before what you want is taken by others.
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Purdue opens at Notre Dame Sept 4th. So thanks for squeezing this in there. I was getting worried.
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Reenactment.
This is not a Scenario this is a reenactment.
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:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
really man?
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Reenactment.
This is not a Scenario this is a reenactment.
While I'm sitting in my skivys and drinking a beer while participating in this scenario, I want color photos of you participating in this reenactment while in your own simpit in full WWII pilot gear.
Unless your last name is Gates good sir and you have the desire and resources to build or recomission some WWII-era JP and USA carriers with a full compliment of aircraft and can pay my rent while we're off floating around in the SE Pacific for a month, we'll be generating a "scenario" online in the virtual skies as close to a "reenactment" as physicaly possible for all of us.
HUUZAH, NEXT SCENARIO IS UP!
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really man?
There are those of us who have participated in Scenarios for 15-20 years now and have been watching them steadily decline over the past 3-4 years.
You obviously are also a 10-20 year Scenario vet (why else would you chime in as you did) so I would like you to tell me why you feel it is a good thing to decide in advance all of the orders and script out how the event will pan out.
I am curious as to what insight you can give me on why this is a positive direction to take this particular Special Event.
While I'm sitting in my skivys and drinking a beer while participating in this scenario, I want color photos of you participating in this reenactment while in your own simpit in full WWII pilot gear.
Unless your last name is Gates good sir and you have the desire and resources to build or recomission some WWII-era JP and USA carriers with a full compliment of aircraft and can pay my rent while we're off floating around in the SE Pacific for a month, we'll be generating a "scenario" online in the virtual skies as close to a "reenactment" as physicaly possible for all of us.
HUUZAH, NEXT SCENARIO IS UP!
That goes for you as well.
Please explain how taking away all tactical decisions from the CO's is the right thing to do.
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That goes for you as well.
Please explain how taking away all tactical decisions from the CO's is the right thing to do.
:rofl "the right thing to do." PU-lease... kettle call the pot black much? Ok, seriously;
Not until I get my answer from the last scenario on how was it possible for the allies to fly around the edge of the map of norway and well within Sweedish airspace to flank their strategical targets in Norway.
This is a debatable subject that has no end or "right". Lets just say I agree with you that the COs should have some tactical decisions and control.... BUT.... given the results of abuse and exploitation of such a liberty in the last few scenarios I have absolutley no objection to making you guys sit in the corner and eat your stale bread and water for at least one scenario until you realize that with such a liberty comes a responcibility and required sence of fair play not just for the half of the participants under your comand but for all participants.
I'm afraid you crying about it, from my perspective, is the cream ontop of my sour grapes from the last few scenarios, so cary on your complaining like any 2-year old sent for a deserved time-out to sit in a corner. This "punishment" will likely only last one scenario before it laxes up again... if you imature COs and participants didn't learn your lesson though then it's back to the corner for a longer period.
For the COs this sucks, I agree, but for the 99% of the players participating seems like we're about to go have a fun time in this scenario, lack-luster surprises and all.
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Brooke, why is the 348th flying both the D-11 and D-25? At this point in the war, the 348th was flying D-23's almost exclusively. The only difference between the D-23 and D-25 is the bubble canopy. Otherwise, its the same airplane. Without the wing pylons for extra fuel, the Jugs will be extremely range-limited. Considering they flew primarily air-to-air missions, this is, IMO, important. It should simply be two squadrons of P47-D25's...
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For the COs this sucks, I agree, but for the 99% of the players participating seems like we're about to go have a fun time in this scenario, lack-luster surprises and all.
You will still get 'lack-luster' or otherwise 'surprises'...they just wont come in the form your normally accustomed to...the more things change...the more they reveal themselves to be the same.
Scripted Scenarios are less risky from a design perspective...because they are in fact 4 mini events rolled into an amalgam stitched together through a system of scoring...one side could get whipped in one frame, only to coming roaring back in the next frame...that is the lure of the scripted format...
Its far more difficult to design a successful Scenario that is not scripted and runs in a balanced fashion across its entire duration. A simple choice such as how many aircraft a particular unit gets can end up having a catastrophic effect that snowballs from Frame 1.
Something suggest to me that the solution is somewhere in between a fully scripted event, and a linear unscripted event.
Perhaps dynamic balancing of points and objectives as things play out...
There is a better model out there...nobody has figured it out yet.
Oneway
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Brooke, why is the 348th flying both the D-11 and D-25? At this point in the war, the 348th was flying D-23's almost exclusively. The only difference between the D-23 and D-25 is the bubble canopy. Otherwise, its the same airplane. Without the wing pylons for extra fuel, the Jugs will be extremely range-limited. Considering they flew primarily air-to-air missions, this is, IMO, important. It should simply be two squadrons of P47-D25's...
Well Brooke is not the person to ask, as it was my decision.
P-47s - The P-47s in use at this time in the Philippines were generally P-47D-23 razorback Thunderbolts. In order to give as accurate as possible simulation the P-47D11 and the P-47D25 are available. Between the two versions they should provide an accurate balance for the one actually used.
I had ran this by a couple people and they agreed with me. But that doesn't mean it was the best decision.
Do you have any data on the D-25 vs the D-23? Or a location where I can get a look at it. You concern about fuel has merit as well.
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There is a better model out there than raw linear events on one hand, and fully scripted events on the other...nobody has figured it out yet.
While disagreeing with the "fully scripted" portion..
Oh I figured it out, but it got vetoed. :)
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Oh I'm sure there will be surprises oneway, I realise now some of my words seem to be putting down this decision, but it has my full support and eager anticipation.
By "lack-luster" I meant it will hopefuly not be as "dramatic" as the previous ones in previous scenarios that left half the participants cursing the opposing CO for his lack of inovative tactics by resorting to MA-tactics and eventualy degrading into every insult and viable curse imaginable cast upon their mother.
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The whole design process seems so daunting I do not see how you even contemplate participating in it...
There are so many 'what if' things to consider, they branch and multiply like an amoeba or hydra...
Every single decision has a cascading series of possible consequences to consider...
Its beyond my linear "if ... then ... else" mind set..
Hats off...
How is that fire feeling after jumping out of the frying pan?
:rofl
Oneway
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I understood Babelonian...
I think that no matter what is done...you will get the same level of surprises...they will just come in different flavors...
It will always be something...
Oneway
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The funny thing is Beefcake has it right...
"Just give me my bombers and let me blow things up"...
He has his niche...he knows what makes him happy...and people like flying with him and for him because of it...
I will bet ya Beefcake has a grand old time "blowing things up"...
:aok
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The funny thing is Beefcake has it right...
"Just give me my bombers and let me blow things up"...
He has his niche...he knows what makes him happy...and people like flying with him and for him because of it...
I will bet ya Beefcake has a grand old time "blowing things up"...
:aok
Not just Beefy but anyone who has an interest to come here and have some fun by just "flying this with the intentions of doing that". There will be plenty of ordnance to be dropped on plentiful targets for the bombers and plenty of planes for the fighters to shoot at, fun will be had.
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Thanks Oneway. I will admit I do get PO'ed sometimes during events but I try to make sure it never goes past the Squad VoX channel.
I take enjoyment in flying an aircraft that most people would "write off" as fodder and making it a viable threat to the enemy. Obviously the B25C is one of my favorite aircraft and by most standards it's nothing more than cannon fodder. It's rearward defense is horrible and can be easily exploited by most enemy aircraft, it's slow at most alts only doing 250mph, and it has a bad tendency to catch on fire. However, taking this plane through the heart of the action and coming out the other side with your mission accomplished is quite the rewarding feeling.
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The B-25s should have a great deal of fun in this upcoming scenario. They will be doing missions just like they actually ran during "The War". Now if we only had skip bombing available..
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If there wasn't 38's in this scenario I would sign up for a B25. Your almost guaranteed to find the action flying a bomber. I imagine this scenario will be particularly fun for the 25 pilots.
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You should tag along Catus, I've already got another 80th nut on board to fly with me. :D
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now if only i could get the corsairs to escort you guys.....
now that would be fun!
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You should tag along Catus, I've already got another 80th nut on board to fly with me. :D
I'm awfully tempted, but my favorite plane in squadron colors is too attractive.
Ooooh but strafer 25's will be soo fun too...
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:rofl "the right thing to do." PU-lease... kettle call the pot black much? Ok, seriously;
Not until I get my answer from the last scenario on how was it possible for the allies to fly around the edge of the map of norway and well within Sweedish airspace to flank their strategical targets in Norway.
I gave lengthy and detailed AAR's frame by frame of how everything went down in the last Scenario.
They show how incredibly wrong you are about much that you have said about what the Allies did.
Whether you are able to grasp or understand that, I could care less. You obviously have the need to blame someone and rather than look at the root of the cause (the Allies did not give out the Axis orders after all) you feel the need to put the blame elsewhere.
I will not rehash this, and if you really want to glean some understanding, ask one of the CM's to give you access to the Confidential Forum. There was a whole heck of a lot of myth and conjecture on the Axis side about what happened and that thread should shed some light on what REALLY went down.
I will say that there is a reason the Axis were beat so utterly in the last Scenario and "gamey" tactics did not play a part.
Back on topic...
The LEAST you could have done is to include the side CO's on the orders they were given and let them have a say in the matter.
Has anybody, besides me, even LOOKED at the orders for both sides yet?
There is a reason I am saying this is a terrible idea.
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Guys, please stop the bickerin and pissin in others' flowers. This is not the thread for that kind of discussion.
Back to topic, I would be definitely interested in attending this scenario. Now how to get Saturdays free from work... :confused:
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In a world filled with chaos, order has spawned. The Fighting Spirits have awoken! And soon the Empire will receive the chance to fulfill its destiny in an age old game of Mortal Combat.
Are you ready to Cast your might... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_65PioV_Ow)
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Tragic and preventable...it didn't have to end this way...
In other news Yankees feast on Grilled Amphibians while marching inevitably to Tokyo...
Sidebar: GI's complain for lack of toothpicks...complain of stringy frog meat....and burnt after taste...
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Well Brooke is not the person to ask, as it was my decision.
I had ran this by a couple people and they agreed with me. But that doesn't mean it was the best decision.
Do you have any data on the D-25 vs the D-23? Or a location where I can get a look at it. You concern about fuel has merit as well.
Sorry, I figured addressing him would cover all the bases--didn't know who did the setup...
Best place I can think of is Dean. You can also cross-reference the assigned aircraft serials from "Kearby's Thunderbolts" if you have a copy. The D-23 had the R-2800-59 engine, 2300BHP WOT same as the D-25, and the paddle blade prop. Also had the wing pylons and the larger main fuel tank. So really, other than the cockpit layout and some other controls, the only difference was the bubble canopy. Better visibility but worse longitudinal stability and a little more drag. Performance-wise, the D-23 and D-25 would be almost identical, whereas there's a pretty large gap between the D-11 capability and the D-23.
I like both aircraft, so I wouldn't have heartburn either way, but the D-11's in theater had larger, 110 gal belly tanks and most were retro'd with wing pylons eventually. That Phillipine map is pretty large, and I'm figuring range will matter.
Almost all of the P-47's assigned to the 348th in this period were D-23s (maybe a few D-22s). They began transitioning to P-51s in January 1945, with the whole group having transitioned and operational by March 1945.
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Tragic and preventable...it didn't have to end this way...
In other news Yankees feast on Grilled Amphibians while marching inevitably to Tokyo...
Sidebar: GI's complain for lack of toothpicks...complain of stringy frog meat....and burnt after taste...
(http://untitledname.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/kermit-the-frog.jpg)
:rofl :aok
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Sorry, I figured addressing him would cover all the bases--didn't know who did the setup...
Best place I can think of is Dean. You can also cross-reference the assigned aircraft serials from "Kearby's Thunderbolts" if you have a copy. The D-23 had the R-2800-59 engine, 2300BHP WOT same as the D-25, and the paddle blade prop. Also had the wing pylons and the larger main fuel tank. So really, other than the cockpit layout and some other controls, the only difference was the bubble canopy. Better visibility but worse longitudinal stability and a little more drag. Performance-wise, the D-23 and D-25 would be almost identical, whereas there's a pretty large gap between the D-11 capability and the D-23.
I like both aircraft, so I wouldn't have heartburn either way, but the D-11's in theater had larger, 110 gal belly tanks and most were retro'd with wing pylons eventually. That Phillipine map is pretty large, and I'm figuring range will matter.
Almost all of the P-47's assigned to the 348th in this period were D-23s (maybe a few D-22s). They began transitioning to P-51s in January 1945, with the whole group having transitioned and operational by March 1945.
Still need to get Kearby's Thunderbolts but I had someone check their copy for me. We were sure that the D-23s were what they were using. Thought process was that the bubble canopy of the D-25 and the Razorback D-11 would nicely complement each other while giving some flavor of actual experience. As it is planned one squadron will have D11s and one D25s. Alot of people like the D11s, so I am not sure about getting rid of them 100%. So we might just let people in both squadrons have the option to fly either one, as long as they don't switch in mid frame. Something to consider though, thanks for your input.
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<S> everyone, its an honor to lead the Allies in battle in the next scenario. I believe that my command staff will make this a scenario that is fun for everyone.
If anyone is interested in Group Leading, just shoot me a PM.
Also, Congrats to TC for be the XO for the Allies in this scenario.
Fud.
PS.
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Its gonna happen. :D :cheers:
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This scenario isn't much different than a normal scenario, other than the targets being listed.
I may not be a big fan of that, but I'm going to loosen up and enjoy the event regardless.
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Targets are always listed. They were just sometimes ignored, swamped, or otherwise manipulated.
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They don't know which targets will be hit per frame in the older method. In this way, the person who tries to protect everything, protects nothing, as the old saying goes.
It doesn't matter to me, 'hey diddle, diddle. Lets go right up the middle' is good enough for me. :devil
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There is a good and bad side to "scripted" orders.
The good side is I know that my squad won't run into every single fighter group over my target and end up getting slaughtered. The bad side is no matter what happens we will run into the enemy, which for weak B25's is usually death. :cry However, on the good side I know we'll have escorts. :) The other bad side is almost every time my B25's have been escorted we've been slaughtered because the enemy fighters ignore the escort and come straight for us. :(
No matter what happens we'll have fun and maybe even dogfight the enemy. :D
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I'm awfully tempted, but my favorite plane in squadron colors is too attractive.
Ooooh but strafer 25's will be soo fun too...
I know it's a tough call, I was really torn between the 'ol 38 and the B-25 on this one. If it was New Guinea or Rabaul with 38G's it would be even harder on me. Having flown the 'ol 25 a couple times now the chance to fly her with the gun package and go a-strafin' is just too hard to pass up. :)
wish there was a way I could split my frames and do two in each. :D
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I have given this much thought and I am willing to give the scripted route a go.
Whether it is a good or bad idea will be decided by the enjoyment level of the participants in the Scenario.
(which is the most important thing after all)
If you look back at when HiTech split up the arenas I was a huge and vocal opponent to it. I dug up some old posts of mine in one of the threads and was amazed at how different my opinion is on the matter now.
I have come to prefer two LW arenas and found it was a good thing.
I obviously don't have all the answers and I am not ALWAYS right.
The ONE bit of caution/advice I will give Fencer (and everybody involved in design) is this.
Every rule we added in King of the Hill created loopholes that players found which then created the need for more rules.
I have always been of the opinion that "less is best" when it came to creating rules for an event and strove hard to keep the addition of rules for KOTH to a minimum.
The more "scripted" you make an event, the more you will find players thinking outside of the box and looking for ways around the scripting. This then causes you to make the NEXT event even more scripted and it creates a viscous circle.
You will end up with an event playing out not at all how it was envisioned in the design and a bunch of unhappy players and designers.
A better way would be to keep it as open to interpretation as possible and allow the players own creativity to shine through. When you give the players that leeway they will shape and mold the event into something that the designers might not have envisioned. It takes on a life of its own and what the players come up with will surprise you. Sometimes it is worse than the original design, but sometimes it is far, far better.
The players can come up some pretty creative ideas and should be given a long leash to run.
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I know it's a tough call, I was really torn between the 'ol 38 and the B-25 on this one. If it was New Guinea or Rabaul with 38G's it would be even harder on me. Having flown the 'ol 25 a couple times now the chance to fly her with the gun package and go a-strafin' is just too hard to pass up. :)
wish there was a way I could split my frames and do two in each. :D
I figured you were the "nut" Beefcake was referring to. :D I say they should run the scenario twice so I can fly both and be completely satisfied. :airplane:
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Thank you, Lute, for giving it a go.
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That was a great post Lute!
Please, consider joining the 80th Headhunters in our P38s. :devil
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It might be shocking to some, but I was the hold out against going with written orders in the rules writeup. I eventually agreed that it was a good step to take.
While I understood and agreed with the reasoning on WHY it was necessary, I was concerned about how to implement it rationally.
I eventually came to the following conclusions;
1. Orders have always come down from higher command to the units and force commander on what the next objectives were to be. How else can things be coordinated with all aspects of the war.
2. All the orders say is what units are delegated for what objectives, I believe the current term is "frag order". This is what I would describe as the strategic level, while not quite that high, its as good as term as any.
3. The tactical aspects of the orders are 100% in the Leadership Team's and GLs hands. Direction, alt, decoys, sweeps, CAP location, patrol areas, routings etc are all still in the hands of the command team and players.
4. We needed to get away from points based scoring. This would allow that to go away easily.
5. Balancing of action and ensuring of enjoyment. While not 100% sure due to game day showups, we are at least doing more to guarrantee that the individual player has as much chance as possible to see action, not be bored to death, and to have coherent plans.
The objectives are realistic and the assignments are realistic. Face it, no one wants to come here to fight P-51s vs B-17s. Scenarios are supposed to bring a bit of history to the player. Anything which goes further to ensure that, and the player's enjoyment, is a good thing in the long run. And the player's enjoyment remains as always, my main definition of victory.
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Will wait and see how it goes before I chime in. No reason not to give it a try.
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I believe the current term is "frag order".
Technically, it would be a "Warning Order". :)
Frag orders are typically a supplementary order issued after an existing operations order. Mostly, they're a simple 5-W (Who, What, When, Where, Why) from a higher to subordinate headquarters that skips all the minutiae of a full op order.
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Ah, thank you. And we removed the D11 from the event and went with all D25s.
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please remove the p-38 too. there's already the b-24/b-25.
we don't need a third bomber in the scenario.
:x :x :bolt:
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Ah, thank you. And we removed the D11 from the event and went with all D25s.
I will mod the writeup when I have a chance -- it's not modded yet, but I will get to it soon.
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Write Up Version 6.0 posted....thanks Brooke...
Couple of Quick question - clarification...
I was unable to find anything about shore battery and field guns...
In a few of the frames it looks possible to drive ships within the traverse angles and ranges of some of the shore battery locations at enemy active fields. I would assume it is perfectly legitimate for either side to man shore battery guns at active fields? How about inactive fields?
Are field guns restricted to active bases or can field guns be manned from any friendly base?
"Nearest Land Base"
The restrictions for Navy aircraft based on ships states "if your CVE is sunk, use a sister ship or the nearest land base". Would it be correct to assume that means ACTIVE land base? Either way, how exactly does this in-frame transfer occur?
For instance: The FM-2 is strictly defined as a plane only available on carriers for all four frames. I would assume the FM-2 is disabled at all other fields at the start of the frame. Would the CO/GL then designate its new land base and request that the FM-2 be enabled by a CM at that field? Would it be safe to assume that once a surrogate field is chosen, that unit is restricted to that field only?
When the VMF units are on the CV's for frame 3 and 4, are the other CV's that the FM-2's use considered "Sister Ships" or do the VMF units automatically get transferred ashore for the remaining frame if Manilla Bay is sunk?
Japanese Shipping
The restrictions on the US Navy destroyer group movements for frame 1 and 2 force them to sail NW toward the Japanese start zone:
In frames 1 and 2, American shipping south of Ormoc may not move south of the 12 row or east of the 12 column.
The restrictions on the Japanese fleets is similar, except it is possible for them to sale south into the Tanon straight between Cebu and Negros and avoid the primary objective which is to resupply the western shores of Leyte.
In frames 1 and 2, Japanese reinforcement convoys and destroyer groups may not move north of the 14 row or west of the 8 column.
Is this intentional and allowed or should there be an additional restriction on Japanese shipping to force them West first out of the Visayan Sea before being allowed south of the 14 line?
Thanks in advance...
Oneway
EDIT: Just noticed what appears to be a typo in the rules - The restrictions on the Japanese fleet state that they cannot move North of the 14 row, when in fact they start North or Within the 14 row...I would assume that was supposed to read NORTH OF THE 17 ROW....
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Wind question...
During Coral Sea, I was told we could not have wind start at sea level because it played havoc with the LVT's...
Seeing as we do NOT have any vehicles in this one...any chance we can try out wind starting at sea level for at least one of the four frames?
Oneway
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Still no CO's huh?
When i register tomorrow, in preferences do i need to say "Request GL spot"?
perdweeb
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Wind question...
During Coral Sea, I was told we could not have wind start at sea level because it played havoc with the LVT's...
Seeing as we do NOT have any vehicles in this one...any chance we can try out wind starting at sea level for at least one of the four frames?
Oneway
This might not be a good idea right at sea level, maybe at a few hundred feet though. During DOB there was a problem where the wind started at 4k, however, one of the Spitfire bases was also at 4K. I remember reading lots of reports of broken gear on taxiing because the wind would push the planes sideways and screw up all the landings. This could be a major problem for alot of the Japanese aircraft and some of our tiny birds like the Wildcats.
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If landing at your home base, is it permissible to tower out (assuming you do so with a successful landing) and re-up in a new plane, thereby repairing all damage and also being quicker and less risky than heading to the re-arming pad?
Are there any rules about scouting for the enemy or staying with your group... i.e. must planes of the same squadron remain in visual contact with each other?
How are group leaders going to be assigned? Since anyone can sign up for any group, is one spot per group going to be reserved for the CO's chosen group leader, or are the COs restricted to choosing one person only from those who signed up for each group?
Can we add a rule to designate an aircraft skin for each group? Leaving it up to player preference leads to confusion and discussion among the group of which skin to use, when we should be discussing anything and everything else related to the mission (or being quiet). At least it did the last time I participated in a scenario.
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If landing at your home base, is it permissible to tower out (assuming you do so with a successful landing) and re-up in a new plane, thereby repairing all damage and also being quicker and less risky than heading to the re-arming pad?
If you land at your home field then you can tower out with no lives lost. However, in most cases the home base for alot of aircraft is further behind the lines than an active airbase, so it's not uncommon for undamaged aircraft to land at a friendly active base and refuel on the rearm pad. They just can't tower out or else they lose a life. Note that towering out is the only way for formation bombers to rearm. This is all of course depending on the rules of the event.
Are there any rules about scouting for the enemy or staying with your group... i.e. must planes of the same squadron remain in visual contact with each other?
I've never seen a rule stating that all planes must remain in visual contact. It's not uncommon for groups escorting buffs to dispatch 1-2 fighters in all directions to act as a warning screen in case enemy aircraft show up. In fact if you read the mission orders for frame 1 allies the P38 squads must detach 4 units to escort the B25's while the rest escort the B24's.
How are group leaders going to be assigned? Since anyone can sign up for any group, is one spot per group going to be reserved for the CO's chosen group leader, or are the COs restricted to choosing one person only from those who signed up for each group?
Generally people step up to lead each group, however, it's usually up to the CO of each side to select his GL's. Also it's not uncommon to have a GL and then several squad "backup" GLs per squad in case of a problem or should the GL die in combat.
Can we add a rule to designate an aircraft skin for each group? Leaving it up to player preference leads to confusion and discussion among the group of which skin to use, when we should be discussing anything and everything else related to the mission (or being quiet). At least it did the last time I participated in a scenario.
Normally whenever I lead a squadron I put the skin, fuel load and bomb load in the squad MOTD and remind everyone to check that. Normally skin selection hasn't been a problem for any squad I've GL'ed or flown with so I highly doubt a rule would be added forcing a certain skin use. After all some people fly with skins off or don't download them so it would be unfair to kick them because they lack a skin.
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Still no CO's huh?
When i register tomorrow, in preferences do i need to say "Request GL spot"?
perdweeb
Fudgums will the Allied Commanding Officer.
Thanks for stepping up Fudgums. :cheers:
We are still open for offers to lead the Japanese side.
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Any word on the Country Order Yet...if it is in the rules I missed it...
I would guess its either 1,2,3 which makes it easier to set Axis Knight or its 2,1,3...which makes it easier to set them Bishop
Oneway
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Wasn't registration tonight?
I get a "no database" error thingy.
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Registration will open on July 2nd at 8 pm Eastern Time.
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YES B-25s!!! Thank you the CMs!!! :salute :banana: :banana:
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YES B-25s!!! Thank you the CMs!!! :salute :banana: :banana:
Yossarian if you want to fly one you better get in quick, I've only got 3 slots left. ;)
EDIT: Actually where the heck were you for DoB and RS/KS? You would've loved flying those Desert skin B25s in DOB.
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There are 6 slots for the B25s and they, like rest of the registrations are at a first come first served basis. Please remember that.
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There are 6 slots for the B25s and they, like rest of the registrations are at a first come first served basis. Please remember that.
This is true sir, however, I'm willing to bet that most of them will be filled by 8:01 EST PM tomorrow. :D
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This is true sir, however, I'm willing to bet that most of them will be filled by 8:01 EST PM tomorrow. :D
Which is all well and good.
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Our scouts have found the Japanese Navy entering the Philippines.
(http://www.vinography.com/archives/images/somali_pirates_hands.jpg)
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Registration will open on July 2nd at 8 pm Eastern Time.
What you register for is what you will fly, first come, first served.
So if you want a particular plane or to fly with particular people, please register before what you want is taken by others.
tic toc...
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Our scouts have found the Japanese Navy entering the Philippines.
(http://www.vinography.com/archives/images/somali_pirates_hands.jpg)
I can just make out one of their signs, it says "All your bases belonga to us."
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(http://avyberman.com/images/Propaganda1.jpg)
Be afraid.
perdweeb
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Sorry, folks. I'm having technical issues with the registration system. I have to get it sorted out with the folks who admin it. I'll get it asap. Very sorry.
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(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff14/DeliriumP38/anti-japanese-propaganda-wwii.jpg)
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What you don't know is that it's me in that poster! :)
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I just ran out of beer...now I am afraid to make a 5 minute run to get more...lest I miss the hot iron spike to strike....
Decisions Decisions....
Tap tap tap tap...
Yo Brookemiester....
Do we have a window to make a Beer Run?
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(CM Crew, I trully mean these all in good fun.. I'm just killing time)
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff14/DeliriumP38/d-day-invasion-20.jpg)
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(CM Crew, I trully mean these all in good fun.. I'm just killing time)
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff14/DeliriumP38/d-day-invasion-20.jpg)
I take it you're not going to sign up for the KI-84?
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(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff14/DeliriumP38/ww1647-37.jpg)
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Allies command staff already have plan, and we have no pilots.
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Allies command staff already have plan, and we have no pilots.
We'll execute it ourselves!
(we'll have no opposition!)
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Do you know a possible amount of time brooke?
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Registration is definitely postponed (my only fear being that in fixing it it is left open for a time -- but I explained the situation to the admins and requested that they close it after fix).
I don't know new date and time yet -- but it is postponed.
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fix has been made, registration closed after verification and I kicked the registered user out ( I think it was ?? ponyace ?? ).
Brooke should be able to set a new date and have it work.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you, forHIM. Big <S> for fixing it so quickly.
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fix has been made, registration closed after verification and I kicked the registered user out ( I think it was ?? ponyace ?? ).
Brooke should be able to set a new date and have it work.
Sorry about that. I thought it was working and just needed a post to verify. Again, my bad :salute
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So the system is up but we are on hold right?
I have a crab to cook and salad to make....
Need to move on and away for now...
Oneway
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Everyone -- to give people plenty of time to get set for opening of registration, I will open it on Monday night at 8 pm Eastern.
That way, for people who are out of town starting from tonight, etc. but who planned on the previous opening of registration aren't disadvantaged.
Sorry folks, for they delay, and many thank to forHIM for getting it all fixed.
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Disadvantaged? I was born disadvantaged :D
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On the 31st its one of the extended shows for EAA Airventure airshow. So I wont be there and I'm registered but will I still have the spot for the next frame?
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On the 31st its one of the extended shows for EAA Airventure airshow. So I wont be there and I'm registered but will I still have the spot for the next frame?
The Frame on the 31st is the Test (Beta) Frame. (July) We would like to have everyone attend but we understand you may have a commitment. Please make every effort to make the rest.
:salute
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Those B-25 pilots are nuts.. they are looking everywhere for Japanese shipping..
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy0N-MAN0nw&feature=related"
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Those B-25 pilots are nuts.. they are looking everywhere for Japanese shipping..
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy0N-MAN0nw&feature=related"
I can't be the only one watching that who was hoping against hope that they'd fly through the arch. :)
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I can't be the only one watching that who was hoping against hope that they'd fly through the arch. :)
Heh! :aok Me, too! That and "Go for the barges!"