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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Ack-Ack on June 28, 2010, 11:27:28 PM
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I would like to wish for the P-38 (all models) to be able to have the option to carry two troops. The P-38 would have to land near the town and then have the troops exit out while on the ground and can't be dropped from the air.
The P-38 was able to carry two personel/ambulance pods on the inner hard points. It wasn't one of those rare things, it was used quite a bit to shuttle personel and transport war casualties. I think the Lightning should be able to have the option to use them, maybe when the perk ordnance system comes out. Unperked, the Lightning would probably replace the Goony as the premiere drunk wagon because you'd be able to fight your way in, land, drop troops, take off, and fight your way out.
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/p38-33.jpg)
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Good find ackack
+1. We need a new drunk wagon.
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I read somewhere once that a ride in this was like a ride in barrell down a frozen slope.
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Would you get credited with three kills if you shoot one of these down?
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LOL +1
While you're at it throw in the P-38 Droop Snoot for us bomber pilots. :D
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Leave it to Ack-Ack to pick up something like this. I like the idea... I just have to figure out how to fly the dang thing :joystick:
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Sorry rules clearly say 10 uninjured troops to take base. If they give them crutches I will think about it. :D
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lol :rofl :rofl :rofl I think it would be cool.
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Would suck if the pilot forgot he was carrying injured troops & forgot & dumped the drop tanks by mistake.
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Would you get credited with three kills if you shoot one of these down?
No, shooting down a full Goon doesn't give you credit for killing all the drunks inside.
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Sorry rules clearly say 10 uninjured troops to take base. If they give them crutches I will think about it. :D
They weren't just for transporting the wounded, all sort of personel were transported in these things.
I read somewhere once that a ride in this was like a ride in barrell down a frozen slope.
That's why there is a little plexiglass nose, the first models were completely enclosed without any windows or view ports. That was likened to being in the closest thing one can come to Hell. Rumor has it that after the engineers were told what would happen to them if anyone that was transported in these pods ever got a hold of them, they added the plexiglass nose.
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Awesome idea, but not very practical. I am sure it didn't bring troops to the front I.E C-47,M3,SDKFZ251 and so on. Interesting idea at best but not practical at all.
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Hijack!
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+1 to P38 drunks
+1 to the Stuka Bus!
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Stinky bait.
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Got the limit yet?
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so then,lets see.....
we have the P-38,then along came the B-38 and now for the climax............... C-38 :banana:
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:rofl I must of overlooked this option while reading Wikipedia
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I think I found something even better, and more useful in the MA. :D
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9416/ssmallpu8.jpg)
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I think I found something even better, and more useful in the MA. :D
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9416/ssmallpu8.jpg)
My two cents?
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AckAck,this would be a cool thing to have but you have to take the first ride in the pod!
I dont think you could get me into 1 of those even with the threat of death,claustrophobic I am :o
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Well, it would be one way to keep Ack Ack out of the stratosphere in his 38. He wouldn't be able to yank and bank so easily either when you get on his 6.
Go ahead Ack Ack, fly that thing. :t
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I don't think the troops would want to be flown to a town by SAPP members, for obvious reasons involving landing. ;)
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LMAO, I've been looking at that pic trying to figure out what was missing on that 38...NO GUNS!!! :lol
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/p38-33.jpg)
There ya go Ack Ack...excellent wish...all SAPP members can fly that thing!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Plus i was looking at it closer and did a few measurements of the undercarriage. This P-38 was raised higher than the standard P38's you can clearly see it so it would involve HTC remodelling a standard P-38 and since they may deam it impractical. Alltho i also read up on it the idea for wounded evacues was droped as most wounded may have died from shock and the cold tempriture's the unarmed P38 would have to fly at high alltitude to avoid the zero's in stead they where mainly used to drop agents behind the lines and photo re-con. A more usful wepon would be NAPALM
Burn those Incoming troops :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t
LMAO, I've been looking at that pic trying to figure out what was missing on that 38...NO GUNS!!! :lol
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/p38-33.jpg)
There ya go Ack Ack...excellent wish...all SAPP members can fly that thing!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I would like to wish for the P-38 (all models) to be able to have the option to carry two troops. The P-38 would have to land near the town and then have the troops exit out while on the ground and can't be dropped from the air.
The P-38 was able to carry two personel/ambulance pods on the inner hard points. It wasn't one of those rare things, it was used quite a bit to shuttle personel and transport war casualties. I think the Lightning should be able to have the option to use them, maybe when the perk ordnance system comes out. Unperked, the Lightning would probably replace the Goony as the premiere drunk wagon because you'd be able to fight your way in, land, drop troops, take off, and fight your way out.
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/p38-33.jpg)
Pilot : Dammit just unwrapping my sandwiches and hit the bomb release with my knee :lol
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And who said they can't be released from the air? They can bring some extra cushions and deal with a few bumps and bruises.
You could fly in noe and release them when you pop. It would look just like throwing a football. Their momentum would carry them all the way to the town. Meanwhile, you could have already turned to rtb. A fire and forget troop pod.
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You could fly in noe and release them when you pop. It would look just like throwing a football. Their momentum would carry them all the way to the town. Meanwhile, you could have already turned to rtb. A fire and forget troop pod.
Actually, you gave me an idea for another use. If there is a building or two still left when the P-38 with the troop pods come in, they can drop the pods on the remaining buildings. This way the kinetic energy of the pods will be sufficient enough to take out the remaining building and the troops can pop out and run to the map room, albeit on shaky and unsteady legs.
The more I think about it, the more this game needs it. On the plus side, it would only take HiTech and gang about an hour or so to create the new art assets and models, it can't be that hard.
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Ack, another thing to consider,if someone asks to join you,you have the option to place them in the pod!
Would be good for SA!! :lol
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Ack, another thing to consider,if someone asks to join you,you have the option to place them in the pod!
Plus you could drop them on an enemy base and they could disrupt your enemies by asking to join their plane. :aok
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I don't think the troops would want to be flown to a town by SAPP members, for obvious reasons involving landing. ;)
:rofl That was one of the first things I thought too. :rofl
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Burn those Incoming troops :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t :t
I think you can use drop tanks to that effect
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No.
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Some Mossies carried a passenger in the bomb bay on certain operations...
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ok, if we get this, there is no reason why we can not get the B-29.
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ok, if we get this, there is no reason why we can not get the B-29.
b-29 is over powered and it was told unto us from the mighty deities that there will be no b-29
this, on the other hand... :banana:
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Some Mossies carried a passenger in the bomb bay on certain operations...
I would fully support this option for the Mossies as well. Mossie pilots and Lightning drivers can get together and fly a NOE mission and capture a town, it would be quick and painless as we wouldn't need any drunk wagons and we'll be too fast to intercept.
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b-29 is over powered and it was told unto us from the mighty deities that there will be no b-29
this, on the other hand... :banana:
Do show me that the B-29 will never be on AH.
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Do show me that the B-29 will never be on AH.
Don't hijack my thread. S.A.P.P knows where you live, careful or we send Mensa to your house.
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I would fully support this option for the Mossies as well. Mossie pilots and Lightning drivers can get together and fly a NOE mission and capture a town, it would be quick and painless as we wouldn't need any drunk wagons and we'll be too fast to intercept.
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bang em into the trees
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Do show me that the B-29 will never be on AH.
do show ME how to put a B29 in the game without stretching every runway to twice the length already and revamping the terrain around every airbase in every map and therefore rebuilding every airfield design also AAAND even in some cases putting land where a whole lotta water is...
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Ack can you post some examples where p38. Were carried personnel fought its way in if needed landed on dirt roads delivered troops unhurt to take over a base.
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Don't hijack my thread. S.A.P.P knows where you live, careful or we send Mensa to your house.
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Bring it on teacup. i will be waiting! :t
do show ME how to put a B29 in the game without stretching every runway to twice the length already and revamping the terrain around every airbase in every map and therefore rebuilding every airfield design also AAAND even in some cases putting land where a whole lotta water is...
I am afraid that i can not do that, i am not a graphic designer. But i am sure the crew can do it
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Ack can you post some examples where p38. Were carried personnel fought its way in if needed landed on dirt roads delivered troops unhurt to take over a base.
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The Battle of Ima-Maroon near what was then Formasa in the PTO.
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Too fun! A big yes!!! :aok
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The Battle of Ima-Maroon near what was then Formasa in the PTO.
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I kind of saw that one coming :rofl
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The Battle of Ima-Maroon near what was then Formasa in the PTO.
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Crap I forgot it was done very often in the pto. they would send a couple of thousand p38's land troops near the designated target area then they would provide air cover 'till the objective was secured.
Dont you always bring up the point that this or that airplane should not be added because only 3 1/2 to 7 1/4 airplanes were built or were not as widely used in the war? I mean I am pretty sure submarines or pt boats transported more troops into combat than the p38. having a p38 as a troops transport? I mean dont you think that pod should better be used to add some ice, tequila, lime and salt, do a couple of high g turns while providing air cover for the goon then once the base is secured land near the town and provide refreshments to the troops that just destroyed the map room with an intense hand-to-hand fight?
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Crap I forgot it was done very often in the pto. they would send a couple of thousand p38's land troops near the designated target area then they would provide air cover 'till the objective was secured.
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It was also used extensively to transport Marine Raiders in the Battle of Ima-Idjeeit Atolls (Island chain next to Ima-Maroon in the Formasa Straights) and then the P-38s would take off to attack and surpress Japanese positions.
Just do a Google search for Formasa Straights - Battle of Ima-Maroon and Ima-Idjeeit and read for yourself. You can also search YouTube (I would but access to YouTube is blocked at work) for Battle of Ima-Idjeeit and you'll see a 3 minute video of Marine Raiders and ParaRaiders being loaded into these pods before the battle's start.
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It was also used extensively to transport Marine Raiders in the Battle of Ima-Idjeeit Atolls (Island chain next to Ima-Maroon in the Formasa Straights) and then the P-38s would take off to attack and surpress Japanese positions.
Just do a Google search for Formasa Straights - Battle of Ima-Maroon and Ima-Idjeeit and read for yourself. You can also search YouTube (I would but access to YouTube is blocked at work) for Battle of Ima-Idjeeit and you'll see a 3 minute video of Marine Raiders and ParaRaiders being loaded into these pods before the battle's start.
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I did, read lots of pretty cool info, but come on, my idea for the pod is better than yours to bring troops to town. btw thanks for letting us know about this, really had no idea how widely it was used, and if i had been one of the troops, it would have been my life long mission to find the engineers that designed it, stuck them in a barrel and throw them over the Niagara falls.
You know why? I work in a steel mill and the engineering department did some modificationtions to two pillars that support our overhead cranes to allow additional space for a new furnace. All crane operators refused to go even close to the two pillars, until the engineer who designed the modification would go up in the crane to prove that it was safe, he refused till additional work he had requested but had been denied was done. keep in mind our cranes can lift 50 tons.
semp
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and if i had been one of the troops, it would have been my life long mission to find the engineers that designed it, stuck them in a barrel and throw them over the Niagara falls.
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Why do you think the plexiglass nose was added? The first pods were completely enclosed and those that rode in them likened it to be what it would probably be like in Hell and some even threatened to actually find the engineers and force them to ride in them. After the engineers heard these complaints and thinly veiled threats, the plexiglass nose was added.
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lolz.
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Why do you think the plexiglass nose was added? The first pods were completely enclosed and those that rode in them likened it to be what it would probably be like in Hell and some even threatened to actually find the engineers and force them to ride in them. After the engineers heard these complaints and thinly veiled threats, the plexiglass nose was added.
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man the more you add the more you confirm that my idea is better. Why do you think all blenders have a glass cup? to make sure the margarita's have been properly mixed :cheers:. I have been listening on 200 since I joined ah for the need for p38's to have a blender. Oh wait, you said two pods? yahoo, one for regular margaritas the other for strawberry margaritas.
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do show ME how to put a B29 in the game without stretching every runway to twice the length already and revamping the terrain around every airbase in every map and therefore rebuilding every airfield design also AAAND even in some cases putting land where a whole lotta water is...
I agree even with the length of the large airfields it almost take's 99.99% of the runway to lift a Lancaster in the Air and that's with auto take-off on. Outch imagine a B29 it would be a case of eh sorry Sir we hit the tree's on take-off. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I agree even with the length of the large airfields it almost take's 99.99% of the runway to lift a Lancaster in the Air and that's with auto take-off on. Outch imagine a B29 it would be a case of eh sorry Sir we hit the tree's on take-off. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
The other day, Von mesa i believe, was asking why HiTech put trees at the end of the run way. The best remark he got, "To piss us off".
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It was also used extensively to transport Marine Raiders in the Battle of Ima-Idjeeit Atolls (Island chain next to Ima-Maroon in the Formasa Straights) and then the P-38s would take off to attack and surpress Japanese positions.
Just do a Google search for Formasa Straights - Battle of Ima-Maroon and Ima-Idjeeit and read for yourself. You can also search YouTube (I would but access to YouTube is blocked at work) for Battle of Ima-Idjeeit and you'll see a 3 minute video of Marine Raiders and ParaRaiders being loaded into these pods before the battle's start.
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Ok Ack-Ack, I did the searches and can't find any videos or references other than the photo you posted. Again, that photo shows the plane had no guns on it. If that was the typical case, fighting its way in and out is not happening.
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I had no clue it would take you so long to sell the idea AKAK. I don't know how many more factual resources these guys need.... :noid
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Ok Ack-Ack, I did the searches and can't find any videos or references other than the photo you posted. Again, that photo shows the plane had no guns on it. If that was the typical case, fighting its way in and out is not happening.
Here is the link to the YouTube video I was mentioning.
In this video, two Marine ParaRaiders (Marine airborne troops) are being loaded into the pods on a P-38H (notice the guns on it) prior to the P-38H taxiing for take off prior to the Battle of Ima-Idjeeit Atoll near Formosa.
Marine ParaRaiders loading into transport pods prior to the Battle of Ima-Idjeeit Atoll 5/11/1944 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qz5yhNAZps)
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I had no clue it would take you so long to sell the idea AKAK. I don't know how many more factual resources these guys need.... :noid
No kidding, I guess it's gonna have to take a YouTube video to convince 'em.
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Here is the link to the YouTube video I was mentioning.
In this video, two Marine ParaRaiders (Marine airborne troops) are being loaded into the pods on a P-38H (notice the guns on it) prior to the P-38H taxiing for take off prior to the Battle of Ima-Idjeeit Atoll near Formosa.
Marine ParaRaiders loading into transport pods prior to the Battle of Ima-Idjeeit Atoll 5/11/1944 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qz5yhNAZps)
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LMAO...ok. If you had mentioned "Marine ParaRaiders" the first time it might have tipped me off better.
(http://www.crystalyacht.com/images/fishing.jpg)
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LMAO...ok. If you had mentioned "Marine ParaRaiders" the first time it might have tipped me off better.
(http://www.crystalyacht.com/images/fishing.jpg)
you're a former marine, right? Surprised you never heard of the Pararaiders from WW2, these were the Marine Raiders that were airborne qualified and actually performed a few drops in the Pacific (think in New Britain or New Guinea). There were also referred to as "Paramarines" and along with the regular Marine Raiders, disbanded in 1944.
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LMAO...ok. If you had mentioned "Marine ParaRaiders" the first time it might have tipped me off better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramarines
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"Operation Bozo" just might be able to drop SPIZ behind enemy lines after all!!!!!
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you're a former marine, right? Surprised you never heard of the Pararaiders from WW2, these were the Marine Raiders that were airborne qualified and actually performed a few drops in the Pacific (think in New Britain or New Guinea). There were also referred to as "Paramarines" and along with the regular Marine Raiders, disbanded in 1944.
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Never heard them called "Pararaiders", wasn't an "official USMC designation". We just call them "Airborne Marines".
They never parachuted into combat, they went in like the rest of the troops.
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Never heard them called "Pararaiders", wasn't an "official USMC designation". We just call them "Airborne Marines".
They never parachuted into combat, they went in like the rest of the troops.
I think the official designation was "Paramarines" up until 1944 when all three battalions were disbanded. I've noticed though, it's the Rangers that usually get the credit or mention for being the first US 'special forces' unit when the credit actually goes to the Marine Raiders. I also noticed in a lot of articles about the Raiders is that the writes tend to take the tone that these units weren't very successful which led to them being disbanded in 1944, when the opposite is true. The Raiders and Paramarines are probably one of the most over looked units and almost treated as side shows to the Rangers and US Army airborne units.
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how many people pods will it take to kill a tiger? i dont wanna have to be running back and forth to re-arm when i find out i have to drop like 10 people on a tank. i mean they better pack a punch!
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1st 2nd and 3rd Marine Parachute Batallions. While they were jump qualified they didn't go in by air at Bougainville. They were attached to the Raiders for a bit while there. Later many went to the 5th Marines. Ira Hayes of Iwo Flag Raising fame was initially a jump qualified Marine.
At Bougainville, one of the Marine trooper raiding parties was rescued by a PT boat commanded by John F. Kennedy
And AKAK, your contributions to Operation BOZO are noted, Still going strong, four years later :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Bozo-1.jpg)
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Make it like bowling for the base. Come in low and fast, give it full rudder and let em loose. Let em roll to the maproom.
Sort of like (http://serve.mysmiley.net/happy/happy0071.gif)
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how many people pods will it take to kill a tiger?
gastro pods beat people pods all the time :neener:
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gastro pods beat people pods all the time :neener:
Yeah but they take forever to reach the target.
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Yeah but they take forever to reach the target.
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My idea about the p38 blender pods is way cooler akak. That's what they called them when I at the mcrd in san diego.
semp