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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BaldEagl on July 04, 2010, 06:17:37 PM
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This morning I felt like going for a bomber run or two.
I logged into Orange and studied the map, looking for a good target. The Knight strat factories, while not too far away, were completely surrounded by tightly grouped airfields and GV bases 3-4 deep with nearly 100% radar coverage for three or four sectors in every direction. Thinking this would invite too much trouble I looked at the Rook side of the map. The strats were half a world away from the nearest Bish base and I didn't want to spend three hours getting to the target.
This left me one choice, hitting airfields or GV bases.
The Bish appeared to be hoarding bases so I decided my effort wasn't needed there and since I was, as always, flying alone, hitting a town somewhere else made no sense. That left me with hitting the fields themselves.
OK, I found a field that the Knights were using to spawn GV's and fly aircraft against a Bish GV base. Perfect. A field chosen now the question was what to hit. Ord, troops, fuel (not really a viable option) or, wait... hangers! Yes! If I could drop the fighter hangers then those pesky fighters wouldn't be able to come up and bother me. Then I could hit the GV hanger to help our GV defense. It was such a natural choice and flying a formation of Lancasters I could easily drop an entire large airfield.
Well, that's what I did... twice.
Granted there were no furballs going at the base I hit but there were Bish GV's there and aircraft attacking them, and, as I said, launching from there against a Bish GV base. Once the hangers went down though more Bish swarmed in, then, as the fighter hangers re-upped the fight dissipated leaving just the Bish GV's and attacking enemy aircraft.
Anyway, with the recent advents of strat targets being moved to the hinterlands and radar covering 100% of approach paths I think losing hangers will become more and more prevalent. Could I have gone for ord? Sure, but a single fighter can take ord out in a single sortie. I wouldn't need to fly heavies for that.
So next time you wonder why bombers are taking out the hangers and ruining a furball just remember, it's the only viable taget they have left.
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This morning I felt like going for a bomber run or two.
I logged into Orange and studied the map, looking for a good target. The Knight strat factories, while not too far away, were completely surrounded by tightly grouped airfields and GV bases 3-4 deep with nearly 100% radar coverage for three or four sectors in every direction. Thinking this would invite too much trouble I looked at the Rook side of the map. The strats were half a world away from the nearest Bish base and I didn't want to spend three hours getting to the target.
This left me one choice, hitting airfields or GV bases.
The Bish appeared to be hoarding bases so I decided my effort wasn't needed there and since I was, as always, flying alone, hitting a town somewhere else made no sense. That left me with hitting the fields themselves.
OK, I found a field that the Knights were using to spawn GV's and fly aircraft against a Bish GV base. Perfect. A field chosen now the question was what to hit. Ord, troops, fuel (not really a viable option) or, wait... hangers! Yes! If I could drop the fighter hangers then those pesky fighters wouldn't be able to come up and bother me. Then I could hit the GV hanger to help our GV defense. It was such a natural choice and flying a formation of Lancasters I could easily drop an entire large airfield.
Well, that's what I did... twice.
Granted there were no furballs going at the base I hit but there were Bish GV's there and aircraft attacking them, and, as I said, launching from there against a Bish GV base. Once the hangers went down though more Bish swarmed in, then, as the fighter hangers re-upped the fight dissipated leaving just the Bish GV's and attacking enemy aircraft.
Anyway, with the recent advents of strat targets being moved to the hinterlands and radar covering 100% of approach paths I think losing hangers will become more and more prevalent. Could I have gone for ord? Sure, but a single fighter can take ord out in a single sortie. I wouldn't need to fly heavies for that.
So next time you wonder why bombers are taking out the hangers and ruining a furball just remember, it's the only viable taget they have left.
Agreed!! Flatten everything.. I am watching many send in one bird to kill the radar, and the rest of the squad fly in and flatten the base. SOP these days. Not many 110 NOE raids in to flatten the town and cap the base. With these new tactics, I am getting alot of perk points doing resupply missions to flat bases.. Killing the radar is also SOP these days. I have a feeling they may want to upgrade the radar and make it harder to destroy..
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So next time you wonder why bombers are taking out the hangers and ruining a furball just remember, it's the only viable taget they have left.
Except hitting towns for points ;)
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personally I think there should be three bases on each map that can NOT be taken, for those that want to Fight...... :uhoh
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Bring Back Donut! Bring Back Donut!
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Shoot red guys. Blow up red guys. Break their stuff. Take their stuff. This is what it is about! :aok
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personally I think there should be three bases on each map that can NOT be taken, for those that want to Fight...... :uhoh
DA? :headscratch:
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DA? :headscratch:
Do you know what that is? :headscratch:
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Bring Back Donut! Bring Back Donut!
Here you go. They even have hearts on it!
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x36/poppyyseed/Food/3606820951_77f6357570_large.jpg)
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Here you go. They even have hearts on it!
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x36/poppyyseed/Food/3606820951_77f6357570_large.jpg)
Those actually look nasty :/
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Fixed.
(http://www.americana-group.net/UserFiles/Image/Krispy%20Kreme/Krispy_Kreme_Front_Page.jpg)
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Fixed.
(http://www.americana-group.net/UserFiles/Image/Krispy%20Kreme/Krispy_Kreme_Front_Page.jpg)
Ahhhhh much better :)
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Agreed!! Flatten everything.. I am watching many send in one bird to kill the radar, and the rest of the squad fly in and flatten the base. SOP these days. Not many 110 NOE raids in to flatten the town and cap the base. With these new tactics, I am getting alot of perk points doing resupply missions to flat bases.. Killing the radar is also SOP these days. I have a feeling they may want to upgrade the radar and make it harder to destroy..
the game is the same as always has been, go kill red things.
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personally I think there should be three bases on each map that can NOT be taken, for those that want to Fight...... :uhoh
Furballers, Toolshedders,basetakers
Its all a fight. The only aspect that isnt a fight is the hoarders
The larger problem isnt with the bombers flattening everything. But people being too LAZY to defend against bombers
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Furballers, Toolshedders,basetakers
Its all a fight. The only aspect that isnt a fight is the hoarders
The larger problem isnt with the bombers flattening everything. But people being too LAZY to defend against bombers
The people that take the time to get up to 20+k to defend against bombers, and high attack planes are just called "ALT MONKIES" BY THE bombers so it all evens out.
ab8aac
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The people that take the time to get up to 20+k to defend against bombers, and high attack planes are just called "ALT MONKIES" BY THE bombers so it all evens out.
ab8aac
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I'd say there is a bit of a difference, lol. Let's compare the number of toolshedding threads on these forum to the number of "fighters are shooting at my bombers" whines.
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The people that take the time to get up to 20+k to defend against bombers, and high attack planes are just called "ALT MONKIES" BY THE bombers so it all evens out.
ab8aac
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I think your missing my point. It isnt about nicknames and whats commonly called what. I just used the names for common refrence. Pretty much no matter what your doing. Everything I listed is "fighting"
The problem isnt with bombers shutting down hangars. Thats only temporary anyway. the problem is people complaining about hangars being shut down but people that are too lazy to try and stop the bombers. Im sure of the hundreds of people that are in the big arenas at any given time. Not all of them are up for just a quick flight or two. Of those that arent. If your too lazy to do your part to try and stop the bombers and just always leave it for someone else.
Then you deserve have our hangars shut down and have no room to complain because your part of your own problem.
Pretty much everything that people complain about that other people do is preventable cept the hoard warriors and 2 country Vs 1 gangbang.
Even ENY cant adequately even the playing field when the numbers are 4 or 5-1.
But everything else is defensible if your not too lazy to do something about it.
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I'd say there is a bit of a difference, lol. Let's compare the number of toolshedding threads on these forum to the number of "fighters are shooting at my bombers" whines.
Again. completely preventable if your not too lazy to stop it.
shoot the bombers down before they reach the toolshed and there is no busted toolshed.
Just like they did in real life
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another useless thread sigh.
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Again. completely preventable if your not too lazy to stop it.
shoot the bombers down before they reach the toolshed and there is no busted toolshed.
Just like they did in real life
Laziness has very little to do with it. A high alt bomber hitting a frontline field is coming in at high
speed at alt. Unless you are alt monkeying your own field, you simply don't have time to grab and run
it down before he waffles the field.
Since bombing accuracy doesn't suffer from wind or sight accuracy troubles, it's not really an even
contest. This isn't a whine, just logic. If the kid wants to pee in your pool, might as well let him.
15 minutes later his work is done anyway.
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we need a "right over the head smiley"
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Again. completely preventable if your not too lazy to stop it.
shoot the bombers down before they reach the toolshed and there is no busted toolshed.
Just like they did in real life
You missed my point, I was just laughing at what dmdchief was saying. I understand what you mean, I fly bombers a lot myself and see no problem with dropping the hangers at a base. I know a lot of us 91st guys also like bomber hunting as well. Even two or three of us can put up a decent defense against a couple bombers coming in to a field, it's not impenetrable but it can reduce effectiveness and keep the hangers up. If it's a large mission than you can usually see it coming from a ways away. I'd say the most dangerous is 2-4 bomber formations flying together. It's enough to take down a field in one pass, while still having a strong defensive guns, but without a huge darbar.
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This morning I felt like going for a bomber run or two.
I logged into Orange and studied the map, looking for a good target. The Knight strat factories, while not too far away, were completely surrounded by tightly grouped airfields and GV bases 3-4 deep with nearly 100% radar coverage for three or four sectors in every direction. Thinking this would invite too much trouble I looked at the Rook side of the map. The strats were half a world away from the nearest Bish base and I didn't want to spend three hours getting to the target.
This left me one choice, hitting airfields or GV bases.
The Bish appeared to be hoarding bases so I decided my effort wasn't needed there and since I was, as always, flying alone, hitting a town somewhere else made no sense. That left me with hitting the fields themselves.
OK, I found a field that the Knights were using to spawn GV's and fly aircraft against a Bish GV base. Perfect. A field chosen now the question was what to hit. Ord, troops, fuel (not really a viable option) or, wait... hangers! Yes! If I could drop the fighter hangers then those pesky fighters wouldn't be able to come up and bother me. Then I could hit the GV hanger to help our GV defense. It was such a natural choice and flying a formation of Lancasters I could easily drop an entire large airfield.
Well, that's what I did... twice.
Granted there were no furballs going at the base I hit but there were Bish GV's there and aircraft attacking them, and, as I said, launching from there against a Bish GV base. Once the hangers went down though more Bish swarmed in, then, as the fighter hangers re-upped the fight dissipated leaving just the Bish GV's and attacking enemy aircraft.
Anyway, with the recent advents of strat targets being moved to the hinterlands and radar covering 100% of approach paths I think losing hangers will become more and more prevalent. Could I have gone for ord? Sure, but a single fighter can take ord out in a single sortie. I wouldn't need to fly heavies for that.
So next time you wonder why bombers are taking out the hangers and ruining a furball just remember, it's the only viable taget they have left.
Well put Baldy. I would have to agree with ya on this one. If an ongoing furball is taking place between 2 or 3 fields, we tend to leave them alone. But, strategically necessary bases for "winning the war" are always a viably target of opportunity.
Base taking like this normally provides a second location for the furballers and gv'ers to entertain each other.
good post, and well played.
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Laziness has very little to do with it. A high alt bomber hitting a frontline field is coming in at high
speed at alt. Unless you are alt monkeying your own field, you simply don't have time to grab and run
it down before he waffles the field.
Since bombing accuracy doesn't suffer from wind or sight accuracy troubles, it's not really an even
contest. This isn't a whine, just logic. If the kid wants to pee in your pool, might as well let him.
15 minutes later his work is done anyway.
Honestly, Drediock is correct. We expect the toolshedders to adapt to the new changes but we 'furballers' aren't following our own advice. With the increased 'dar coverage there is no more excuse as to why a side couldn't up a DEFCAP to intercept the high altitude bombers. The furballers need to get out of the mindless furballing mentality and realize that the game play dynamics have changed and now one must think with an offensive and defensive mindset. That means flying more escort missions, fighter sweeps, DEFCAPs and intercepts. Just like hord NOE missions are a thing of the past, so is mindless furballing.
ack-ack
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Honestly, Drediock is correct. We expect the toolshedders to adapt to the new changes but we 'furballers' aren't following our own advice. With the increased 'dar coverage there is no more excuse as to why a side couldn't up a DEFCAP to intercept the high altitude bombers. The furballers need to get out of the mindless furballing mentality and realize that the game play dynamics have changed and now one must think with an offensive and defensive mindset. That means flying more escort missions, fighter sweeps, DEFCAPs and intercepts. Just like hord NOE missions are a thing of the past, so is mindless furballing.
ack-ack
Almost makes you think HTC knows what they are doing. :aok
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Just like hord NOE missions are a thing of the past
ack-ack
hey if someone out there is possible to get people at 65feet (over water to a shore base) then its possible!!
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Fixed.
(http://www.americana-group.net/UserFiles/Image/Krispy%20Kreme/Krispy_Kreme_Front_Page.jpg)
those are crappy doughnuts :neener:
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personally I think there should be three bases on each map that can NOT be taken, for those that want to Fight...... :uhoh
Agreed, like the air bases in TT
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Honestly, Drediock is correct. We expect the toolshedders to adapt to the new changes but we 'furballers' aren't following our own advice. With the increased 'dar coverage there is no more excuse as to why a side couldn't up a DEFCAP to intercept the high altitude bombers. The furballers need to get out of the mindless furballing mentality and realize that the game play dynamics have changed and now one must think with an offensive and defensive mindset. That means flying more escort missions, fighter sweeps, DEFCAPs and intercepts. Just like hord NOE missions are a thing of the past, so is mindless furballing.
ack-ack
I agree with this comment except that at 2am or later you will see a horde of guys taking one base. At times of low numbers a single squad can comprise the majority of one country and what happens is then they create a Horde and take bases that are impossible to defend against.
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Honestly, Drediock is correct. We expect the toolshedders to adapt to the new changes but we 'furballers' aren't following our own advice. With the increased 'dar coverage there is no more excuse as to why a side couldn't up a DEFCAP to intercept the high altitude bombers. The furballers need to get out of the mindless furballing mentality and realize that the game play dynamics have changed and now one must think with an offensive and defensive mindset. That means flying more escort missions, fighter sweeps, DEFCAPs and intercepts. Just like hord NOE missions are a thing of the past, so is mindless furballing.
ack-ack
ZOMG. I absolutely agree with what Ack-Ack is saying. Quoted for it's truth...
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Honestly, Drediock is correct. We expect the toolshedders to adapt to the new changes but we 'furballers' aren't following our own advice. With the increased 'dar coverage there is no more excuse as to why a side couldn't up a DEFCAP to intercept the high altitude bombers. The furballers need to get out of the mindless furballing mentality and realize that the game play dynamics have changed and now one must think with an offensive and defensive mindset. That means flying more escort missions, fighter sweeps, DEFCAPs and intercepts. Just like hord NOE missions are a thing of the past, so is mindless furballing.
ack-ack
well said, agree %100
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Well, last night at 25K it was one hell of an onslaught- our B17's and various escorts vs. a highly motivated group of 262's. We were prevented from doing any serious damage to any of the three targets we had planned on the northern edge of the Bish/Rook front. It turned into a running firefight almost all the way back to rtb. We survived for the most part, but not without running most our 50 cal's dry of ammuntion. I bet if the game allowed it, there would have been a fuselage floor covered in shells in my B17. :D Very fun fight last night. :cool:
So, it is possible to stop something like this. Observation, patience, & motivation is key.
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Honestly, Drediock is correct. We expect the toolshedders to adapt to the new changes but we 'furballers' aren't following our own advice. With the increased 'dar coverage there is no more excuse as to why a side couldn't up a DEFCAP to intercept the high altitude bombers. The furballers need to get out of the mindless furballing mentality and realize that the game play dynamics have changed and now one must think with an offensive and defensive mindset. That means flying more escort missions, fighter sweeps, DEFCAPs and intercepts. Just like hord NOE missions are a thing of the past, so is mindless furballing.
ack-ack
I completely disagree, I do not expect anyone to fly, any other way, then they want to.
I Am A Furballer I don't give a rats arse about the war or any other aspect, except killing red guys, and I will be damned if I let anyone dictate how I fly, The "mindless" furballing mentality, is anything but "mindless" and for me and many others it's the only thing that keeps us coming back.
You are so wrong, just because YOU have been broken down and beaten into submission, don't mean I or many other "mindless furballers" will be.
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<-------- lining up on some FHs right now. :devil
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Leave the fighter hangars alone, or the kitty gets it!!!! :furious :devil
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a330/Shaneskitten85/lolcats/0bfb47b0.jpg)
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I completely disagree, I do not expect anyone to fly, any other way, then they want to.
I Am A Furballer I don't give a rats arse about the war or any other aspect, except killing red guys, and I will be damned if I let anyone dictate how I fly, The "mindless" furballing mentality, is anything but "mindless" and for me and many others it's the only thing that keeps us coming back.
You are so wrong, just because YOU have been broken down and beaten into submission, don't mean I or many other "mindless furballers" will be.
Then continue to whine when the bombers destroy the FHs because you couldn't be bothered to intercept them and keep the fight going. Adapt or get off the pot.
ack-ack
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Leave the fighter hangars alone, or the kitty gets it!!!! :furious :devil
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a330/Shaneskitten85/lolcats/0bfb47b0.jpg)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Except hitting towns for points ;)
That's all i am willing to do now, I am not willing to trek all the way across the map just to get slapped be a bunch of 163s ankle humpin for the kills.
I just think strat's are lame now and useless.
come to think of it i have not seen any HQ raids as of late.
not that i ever thought it was fun, I'M just sayin that's all.
best of luck,
froger
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Interesting at this point of the thread. The one thing I have noticed of late is the culture of of our Chess piece country's. Lets look at the Nits they can't hold any realestate on any late war map Orange or Blue big or small map & when most countires are getting their tails handed to them they will move on to another arena & will dominate it.
Not the Nits though for the most part they will have both maps screwed up in both late war arenas & just seem to be waiting for the war to be won or Titanic Tuesday for a map reset or what ever gets there first.
Interestingly the Nits who cry the most about their hangers going down will do nothing to prevent it & seem to want to fly to the quickest fight no matter what. May be just a bunch of guys over there that have not matured in the game enough to do different things? Just as a side note I have noticed a lot of former Nits flying Bish of late. The rot seems to have set in on that part of the chess board for now & maybe with some time they will adapt as AKAK said.
Got to agree with AKAK on this matter adapt Nits or just stay on the BBS a moan about it. :bolt:
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Then continue to whine when the bombers destroy the FHs because you couldn't be bothered to intercept them and keep the fight going. Adapt or get off the pot.
ack-ack
sorry not a "whiner"
"Adapt or get off the pot" you say, :rofl
so now YOU are telling me, to fly the way you want me to :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
yesa masa..i will do what ya tell me masa... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
oh my..... Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh......
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Actually you & your squad adapt many times in a day by changing country's to find the fights you like. So AKAK comments sort of is already happening from a Muppet perspective? :headscratch: Then again maybe not.
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sorry not a "whiner"
"Adapt or get off the pot" you say, :rofl
so now YOU are telling me, to fly the way you want me to :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
yesa masa..i will do what ya tell me masa... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
oh my..... Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh......
I'm not telling you how to fly at all, don't know where you're pulling that out of your ass. The game play dynamics have changed, it's up to you to either adapt to the new changes or wither on the vine. It's very hypocritical to expect the toolshedders to adapt to the new changes while in the same breath refusing to do so yourself.
I guess some people just fear change...
ack-ack
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I completely disagree, I do not expect anyone to fly, any other way, then they want to.
I Am A Furballer I don't give a rats arse about the war or any other aspect, except killing red guys, and I will be damned if I let anyone dictate how I fly, The "mindless" furballing mentality, is anything but "mindless" and for me and many others it's the only thing that keeps us coming back.
You are so wrong, just because YOU have been broken down and beaten into submission, don't mean I or many other "mindless furballers" will be.
Well if your not willing to be part of the solution. Then you have no legitimate whine in the problem.
Check my stats over the last several years. You wont see me in many bomber flights. I'm just telling it like it is.
If ALL you want to do is kill red guys and not worry abut bombers or tool shedders then you should be spending most of your time in the DA as that seems to be pretty much what its set up for.
The MA is a free for all where the objective is in HTCs very own words "to piss the other guy off"
You dont like what they are doing, thats just too bad. Do something about it. Your the man in the cartoon airplane.
If your into historically accurate WWII air war. then thats what it was primarily about. For fighters it was to either help the bombers get to target to blow up "toolsheds" by defending against other fighters. Orrr to prevent the bombers from toolshedding.
For bombers. it was to get to target and blow up the stuff on the ground (toolsheds) Often to aid in the capture of territory. Or to reduce the enemies ability to wage war (including being able to put up fighter aircraft)
If your not willing to do something about it. Then you deserve whatever you get because your part of your own problem.
Regardless. if your furballing. In the MA you are taking part in intentionally or unintentionally either the attack and capture of that base, or the defense of it
I like to furball alot too. But I have to admit. furballing IS a mindess mentality. A fun mindless mentality. And not quite as mindless as spawn camping But mindless nontheless.
But there is nothing wrong with that if thats what your into. You dont want to be dictated to how to fly. Fine. But you loose legitimate complaint in complaining about toolshedders.B ecause then your are doing the exact same thing that you dont want done to yourself.
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Leave the fighter hangars alone, or the kitty gets it!!!! :furious :devil
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a330/Shaneskitten85/lolcats/0bfb47b0.jpg)
dispite haveing two in our house. I dont particularly like cats.
I say. Let the cat have it. :D
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Interesting at this point of the thread. The one thing I have noticed of late is the culture of of our Chess piece country's. Lets look at the Nits they can't hold any realestate on any late war map Orange or Blue big or small map & when most countires are getting their tails handed to them they will move on to another arena & will dominate it.
Not the Nits though for the most part they will have both maps screwed up in both late war arenas & just seem to be waiting for the war to be won or Titanic Tuesday for a map reset or what ever gets there first.
Interestingly the Nits who cry the most about their hangers going down will do nothing to prevent it & seem to want to fly to the quickest fight no matter what. May be just a bunch of guys over there that have not matured in the game enough to do different things? Just as a side note I have noticed a lot of former Nits flying Bish of late. The rot seems to have set in on that part of the chess board for now & maybe with some time they will adapt as AKAK said.
Got to agree with AKAK on this matter adapt Nits or just stay on the BBS a moan about it. :bolt:
I am a Nit. The ony complaints I have are with the billion man horde warriors attacking lightly or undefended bases. And the side balancing is inadequate. IMO
I'd much prefer to see no ENY limit and perhaps a zone or air feild, based limit that would force aircraft to up from different bases and spread the war out. Just as a RL airport cant support an infinite amount of aircraft. I dont think they should be able to do so here either
Again, thats just my opinion
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sorry not a "whiner"
"Adapt or get off the pot" you say, :rofl
so now YOU are telling me, to fly the way you want me to :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
yesa masa..i will do what ya tell me masa... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
oh my..... Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh......
No dude. You most certainly are whining.
The MA is what the MA is. Its not just about your or my furball.
Either deal with it the way it is and live with it, adapt, or go elsewhere. (DA) Those really are your only options
Just like you dont want people telling you how to fly. You cant expect others to play the way that you want them to either just to suit what you want.
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I'd much prefer to see no ENY limit and perhaps a zone or air feild, based limit that would force aircraft to up from different bases and spread the war out. Just as a RL airport cant support an infinite amount of aircraft. I dont think they should be able to do so here either
Again, thats just my opinion
I liked the zone limits in AW. Though I do admit it did get frustrating from time to time having to fly a couple of sectors to a fight because all the front line bases were full and I wasn't patient enough to wait a couple of minutes for someone to get shot down and free up a slot.
ack-ack
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I liked the zone limits in AW. Though I do admit it did get frustrating from time to time having to fly a couple of sectors to a fight because all the front line bases were full and I wasn't patient enough to wait a couple of minutes for someone to get shot down and free up a slot.
ack-ack
although those were unintentional from what I understand they were like that for technical reasons and not by design.
They did work well and while I agree frustrating at times. were more of an asset to gameplay then a liability
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They did work well and while I agree frustrating at times. were more of an asset to gameplay then a liability
Agreed.
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The fact that there is absolutely no clear path to strats without redlining (flying off of the map) definitely increases the number of "Fun Police"
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I'm not telling you how to fly at all, don't know where you're pulling that out of your ass. The game play dynamics have changed, it's up to you to either adapt to the new changes or wither on the vine. It's very hypocritical to expect the toolshedders to adapt to the new changes while in the same breath refusing to do so yourself.
I guess some people just fear change...
ack-ack
I guess when you said "Adapt or get off the pot" you were not telling me to change the way I fly?? I guess I misunderstood ya..... :lol
I seriously have absolutely no interest in the "war" never have never will, why should I change that? hell I couldn't, even if I wanted to, which I don't.
No dude. You most certainly are whining.
The MA is what the MA is. Its not just about your or my furball.
Either deal with it the way it is and live with it, adapt, or go elsewhere. (DA) Those really are your only options
Just like you dont want people telling you how to fly. You cant expect others to play the way that you want them to either just to suit what you want.
show me where I "whine" the only thing I don't like is when Center Island ( TT )is taken by a side, otherwise I have no care as to what anyone does. they can take the whole map and win the war I will never complain.
WHY take center Island, it is NOT needed to win the war, the ones that take the whole Island are doing it to grief those that are fighting there, just the other night I was fighting at Center Island, I did not realize that our side was taking the whole island until one of my nme's says something about it on 200, I check out the map, sure enough my side had two bases and in the process of taking the last airfield, so on country channel I said something about NOT taking the base, oh boy you should of heard them :rofl, they said something about "the other side took all of it so we are..." and a crap load of other bullsoup, they had the whole map to take, they were taking this just to grief.....So I promptly switched to the other side and defended that base, they never did take it.... :rofl
I guess I truly am not a "furballer" I hate it when green guys are around me, I hate fighting green guys for my kills, I love fighting the horde, from day one that is what I did, and it's what I do....and for you to say it is mindless....but that is furballing....I fight the horde...that is not "Furballing" and far from mindless, to fight more then two cons takes quite a bit of work, now to fight 3 or 4 cons is almost impossible to win...yet I have...and won at much higher odds.
so many say go to the DA if ya wanna "furball" the DA is so different then the MA, it does not have the dynamics of the MA's nor the verity, I wont be flying along at "furball lake" in DA and look over and see a huge nme bomber mission with escorts and have a blast trying to kill me some bombers, now would I?
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I guess when you said "Adapt or get off the pot" you were not telling me to change the way I fly?? I guess I misunderstood ya..... :lol
I seriously have absolutely no interest in the "war" never have never will, why should I change that? hell I couldn't, even if I wanted to, which I don't.
I have no interest in "Winning the War (TM)", haven't actively engaged in a base capture for many years (since before you started playing) but I've realized with the new changes to the game play, there are some changes I need to make as well if I wish to continue to enjoy this game. If that means I may have to fly a bomber busting sortie to defend my base, so be it. If I have to fly a DEFCAP to protect the base from vulchers so we can get sufficient pilots in the air to defend, so be it. If I have to fly a fighter sweep ahead of our attacking planes that are targeting the enemy's ammo dumps so they can't pork our field, so be it.
You can still find your little corner of Utopia and furball mindlessly, I was able to last night and had some good 1v1 and 2v2 fights for awhile. It's just a tad hypocritical for us to cry and whine about our base being porked when we're just too lazy to intercept the raid or defend the base and yet fully expect the toolshedders to change.
WHY take center Island, it is NOT needed to win the war,
Because game play allows it. In this case, "defend or lose it" is very appropriate. If you don't want to lose your base, defend it. There is no more excuse as to why a base can't be defended.
The other night, Rookies owned A85 and about 3 V bases that were immediately to the west of A85, while the Bish owned the rest of the island. The Bish, led by the Devi's Retards, were making a very determined hord push to capture A85 and the V bases. Some of us on the Rook side took off from A85 and defended the base from 2 major pushes and drove off the Devil's Retards, forcing them to attack some undefended Knight base. We were able to defend from high altitude bombers (some of the Rooks were flying a high DEFCAP just to intercept the bombers), a NOE raid and constant GV attack.
so many say go to the DA if ya wanna "furball" the DA is so different then the MA, it does not have the dynamics of the MA's nor the verity, I wont be flying along at "furball lake" in DA and look over and see a huge nme bomber mission with escorts and have a blast trying to kill me some bombers, now would I?
The MA is designed to cater to all types, from those that like to base capture and those of us that like to furball. However, if you wish to mindlessly furball without the worry of your fight being interrupted by toolshedders, the DA is the better choice.
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I have no interest in "Winning the War (TM)", haven't actively engaged in a base capture for many years (since before you started playing) but I've realized with the new changes to the game play, there are some changes I need to make as well if I wish to continue to enjoy this game. If that means I may have to fly a bomber busting sortie to defend my base, so be it. If I have to fly a DEFCAP to protect the base from vulchers so we can get sufficient pilots in the air to defend, so be it. If I have to fly a fighter sweep ahead of our attacking planes that are targeting the enemy's ammo dumps so they can't pork our field, so be it.
You can still find your little corner of Utopia and furball mindlessly, I was able to last night and had some good 1v1 and 2v2 fights for awhile. It's just a tad hypocritical for us to cry and whine about our base being porked when we're just too lazy to intercept the raid or defend the base and yet fully expect the toolshedders to change.
Because game play allows it. In this case, "defend or lose it" is very appropriate. If you don't want to lose your base, defend it. There is no more excuse as to why a base can't be defended.
The other night, Rookies owned A85 and about 3 V bases that were immediately to the west of A85, while the Bish owned the rest of the island. The Bish, led by the Devi's Retards, were making a very determined hord push to capture A85 and the V bases. Some of us on the Rook side took off from A85 and defended the base from 2 major pushes and drove off the Devil's Retards, forcing them to attack some undefended Knight base. We were able to defend from high altitude bombers (some of the Rooks were flying a high DEFCAP just to intercept the bombers), a NOE raid and constant GV attack.
The MA is designed to cater to all types, from those that like to base capture and those of us that like to furball. However, if you wish to mindlessly furball without the worry of your fight being interrupted by toolshedders, the DA is the better choice.
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you are one thick headed individual... but hey takes all kinds I guess, as long as your happy :aok
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This morning I felt like going for a bomber run or two.
I logged into Orange and studied the map, looking for a good target. The Knight strat factories, while not too far away, were completely surrounded by tightly grouped airfields and GV bases 3-4 deep with nearly 100% radar coverage for three or four sectors in every direction. Thinking this would invite too much trouble I looked at the Rook side of the map. The strats were half a world away from the nearest Bish base and I didn't want to spend three hours getting to the target.
This left me one choice, hitting airfields or GV bases.
The Bish appeared to be hoarding bases so I decided my effort wasn't needed there and since I was, as always, flying alone, hitting a town somewhere else made no sense. That left me with hitting the fields themselves.
OK, I found a field that the Knights were using to spawn GV's and fly aircraft against a Bish GV base. Perfect. A field chosen now the question was what to hit. Ord, troops, fuel (not really a viable option) or, wait... hangers! Yes! If I could drop the fighter hangers then those pesky fighters wouldn't be able to come up and bother me. Then I could hit the GV hanger to help our GV defense. It was such a natural choice and flying a formation of Lancasters I could easily drop an entire large airfield.
Well, that's what I did... twice.
Granted there were no furballs going at the base I hit but there were Bish GV's there and aircraft attacking them, and, as I said, launching from there against a Bish GV base. Once the hangers went down though more Bish swarmed in, then, as the fighter hangers re-upped the fight dissipated leaving just the Bish GV's and attacking enemy aircraft.
Anyway, with the recent advents of strat targets being moved to the hinterlands and radar covering 100% of approach paths I think losing hangers will become more and more prevalent. Could I have gone for ord? Sure, but a single fighter can take ord out in a single sortie. I wouldn't need to fly heavies for that.
So next time you wonder why bombers are taking out the hangers and ruining a furball just remember, it's the only viable taget they have left.
Viable, no....easy, yes. Not like you have to justify hitting hangars to anyone else, but it's not a very strong
argument when you describe avoiding opposition at other targets to rationalize hitting the fields.
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The Bish, led by the Devi's Retards, were making a very determined hord push to capture A85 and the V bases.
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It is good to know that The Devils brigade must be doing something right if they bother you enough that you have to make comments like this on the forums. I do not recall others making comments like this about you or your squad...Your comment was out of line...
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It is good to know that The Devils brigade must be doing something right if they bother you enough that you have to make comments like this on the forums. I do not recall others making comments like this about you or your squad...Your comment was out of line...
I don't think it bothered him at all. I think that was the point he was making.
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It is good to know that The Devils brigade must be doing something right if they bother you enough that you have to make comments like this on the forums. I do not recall others making comments like this about you or your squad...Your comment was out of line...
Go ahead and make comments about my squadron, do you think we Raiders would get bent out of shape about it? We're one of the oldest squadrons in AH and have been around since early AW days. It would take far more than comments from a timid player to get under our collective skin.
I don't think it bothered him at all. I think that was the point he was making.
His kind are unable to understand, if he was then he would have realized when he read my post what the point was.
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The OP basically said he couldn't be bothered to do a real buff mission so instead engaged in mindless toolshedding because he was too lazy to fly "3 hours" or be discovered flying "alone" to a legitmate strat target.
NO ONE has in all of these type threads that have appeared over and over has said they had a problem with buffs killing the FH if they WERE ACTUALLY PARTICAPATING IN A BASE TAKE.
Baldeagle's post just stinks of "I'm to lazy to" play war. Instead he will just kill FH for the hell of it, because there are no "viable" strat targets.
Kill the base, kill everything, every dam thing you can bomb. Go for it. But if you are going to do that PLEASE take the base.
If there is no base take in progress, flying buffs to the nearest furball and killing FH just for fun is totally lame and more importantly....completely pointless.
AKAK said "mindless furballing"...so what. If you want to screw up a perfectly good "mindless furball" then at least take the base if your going to ruin the furball.
AKAK and Baldeagle - I say put your mission together and go on a base taking rampage....us mindless furballers would love to engage you and have good time defending.
Baldeagle:
"So next time you wonder why bombers are taking out the hangers and ruining a furball just remember, it's the only viable target they have left."
This statement is even more lame than any mindless furballer whine.
Anything less is pure toolshedding and just as lame as us mindless furballers whining about our furball ending.
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AKAK and Baldeagle - I say put your mission together and go on a base taking rampage....us mindless furballers would love to engage you and have good time defending.
Your reading comprehension isn't as good as your flying it seems.
If you had read my posts, you would have clearly seen that I do not play to capture bases or to "Win the War (TM)" and haven't done so since long before you started playing. I, unlike you, have realized that in order for one to continue to enjoy the game, one must adapt to the new changes or continue to whine on the forums. If that means I need to up from a base to defend it from bombers in order to keep the base I am flying and fighting from open, then that is what I need to do. I consider it to be a waste of my time to whine about some toolshedder destroying a base because I was too lazy or couldn't be bothered to defend it.
Correct me if I am wrong, but you were also one of the Rookies that was help defending A85 from the Devil's Retards the other night...
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Your reading comprehension isn't as good as your flying it seems.
If you had read my posts, you would have clearly seen that I do not play to capture bases or to "Win the War (TM)" and haven't done so since long before you started playing. I, unlike you, have realized that in order for one to continue to enjoy the game, one must adapt to the new changes or continue to whine on the forums. If that means I need to up from a base to defend it from bombers in order to keep the base I am flying and fighting from open, then that is what I need to do. I consider it to be a waste of my time to whine about some toolshedder destroying a base because I was too lazy or couldn't be bothered to defend it.
Correct me if I am wrong, but you were also one of the Rookies that was help defending A85 from the Devil's Retards the other night...
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sounds like the fight we switched on.
seriously ACK it sounds like you have been "browbeatin" by the "win da war" crowd, into this way of thinking, "...I, unlike you, have realized that in order for one to continue to enjoy the game, one must adapt to the new changes..."
I say who cares what others do, As long as there are red guys to shoot down I am A-okay :aok
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sounds like the fight we switched on.
seriously ACK it sounds like you have been "browbeatin" by the "win da war" crowd, into this way of thinking, "...I, unlike you, have realized that in order for one to continue to enjoy the game, one must adapt to the new changes..."
I say who cares what others do, As long as there are red guys to shoot down I am A-okay :aok
How have I been brown beaten? I continue to play the same way I've flown for years, now I just happen to fly a little more DEFCAP and CAP missions than in the past. However, unlike you and the others, I realize that with the new changes to the game play that sorties like these will be more common place than before. I guess I would rather enjoy my time fighting in the MA than coming to the forums and whining how someone ruined a fight because I couldn't be bothered to shoot them down to stop them. Seems like you have the opposite view.
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Your reading comprehension isn't as good as your flying it seems.
If you had read my posts, you would have clearly seen that I do not play to capture bases or to "Win the War (TM)" and haven't done so since long before you started playing. I, unlike you, have realized that in order for one to continue to enjoy the game, one must adapt to the new changes or continue to whine on the forums. If that means I need to up from a base to defend it from bombers in order to keep the base I am flying and fighting from open, then that is what I need to do. I consider it to be a waste of my time to whine about some toolshedder destroying a base because I was too lazy or couldn't be bothered to defend it.
Correct me if I am wrong, but you were also one of the Rookies that was help defending A85 from the Devil's Retards the other night...
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No need to make personal insults. I didn't mention your reading comprehension or call you any names.
I did not disagree with you that both types need to make adjustments. I agree that if furballers want to keep a furball then they have to defend the base.
I do not think killing fighter hangers because of the whine about no "viable" strats makes any sense.
Baldeagles post said basically that there aren't any viable buff targets so he will instead kill furballs for the hell of it.
I said kill the dam furballs all you want as long as they take the base.
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Baldeagles post said basically that there aren't any viable buff targets so he will instead kill furballs for the hell of it.
And Baldeagle is incorrect and the last time I checked, he doesn't speak for me nor are his views the same as mine. Don't know why you keep bringing up Baldeagle when addressing my posts. However, don't you think that one way to prevent Baldeagle from killing the FHs is maybe having a DEFCAP fly to intercept the bombers before they can drop? It worked at A85 the other night...
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How have I been brown beaten? I continue to play the same way I've flown for years, now I just happen to fly a little more DEFCAP and CAP missions than in the past. However, unlike you and the others, I realize that with the new changes to the game play that sorties like these will be more common place than before. I guess I would rather enjoy my time fighting in the MA than coming to the forums and whining how someone ruined a fight because I couldn't be bothered to shoot them down to stop them. Seems like you have the opposite view.
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alright seriously show me my frigging posts where I whine..... show me.....I am participating in a post about something that I have an interest in..so ARE you....
Its not Brown its Brow...
your little hidden insults are not getting past me, I have ignored them...you remind me of people who are too smart for there own good, you think you can insult people and be clever about it, and they are not smart enough to understand you are insulting them.
once again I say you are a thick headed individual, and now I put you on the ignore Tard list. :aok
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Baldeagles post said basically that there aren't any viable buff targets so he will instead kill furballs for the hell of it.
I said kill the dam furballs all you want as long as they take the base.
No. In my post I made a point of saying I chose a target that did not have a furball going at it so that I wouldn't be accused of "killing the furball".
I have to agree that your reading comprehension skills aren't what they could be.
As to "playing war" as a loner it's difficult to bomb a base, fly home, grab a goon or M3 then go back and capture the base. By that theory I shouldn't be allowed to fly bombers. Gotcha... everyone should be furballers and play the way you want them to.
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And Baldeagle is incorrect and the last time I checked, he doesn't speak for me nor are his views the same as mine.
Agreed.
Don't know why you keep bringing up Baldeagle when addressing my posts.
Well, I sort of replied to the OP and your post at the same time. Yours and the OP I thought were the most relevant to post about.
Perhaps my writing skills were beyond your reading comprehension.
However, don't you think that one way to prevent Baldeagle from killing the FHs is maybe having a DEFCAP fly to intercept the bombers before they can drop? It worked at A85 the other night...
Yes, I totally agree!!!! I said that clearly in my previous post.
Baldleagle said:
""So next time you wonder why bombers are taking out the hangers and ruining a furball just remember, it's the only viable target they have left.""
This single sentence is the root to my response. It a big fat whine.. I want my mommy statement. It's a lame attitude.
You mentioned "mindless furballing". I addressed that point by stating there is such a thing as "mindless toolshedding" as illustrated by the quote of Baldeagl above.
We seem to agree about furballing. You say that the furballers should do something about the mindless toolshedders. This is true.
I say that mindless furballing is fun for many players because it is a two sided fight with two countries enjoying mindless furballing. When a lone buff or a set of buff comes in to kill the FH because, quoting Baldeagle "it's the only viable target they have left" that is completely lame and pointless.
Can I be more clear here:
Bomb the hell out of any base or furball you want.....JUST DO A BASE TAKE if you do. How hard is that to understand.
Just don't kill a furball by hitting the FH because ur pised that you cant hit the strats because its too hard to do so.
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No. In my post I made a point of saying I chose a target that did not have a furball going at it so that I wouldn't be accused of "killing the furball".
Yes you did say that, but then you went on to say:
"So next time you wonder why bombers are taking out the hangers and ruining a furball just remember, it's the only viable target they have left"
I think this sentence really said what you wanted to say. You seem to try and justify this statement by your previous paragraphs of excuses.
I have to agree that your reading comprehension skills aren't what they could be.
If you can't debate the issue then just insult them......FAIL
As to "playing war" as a loner it's difficult to bomb a base, fly home, grab a goon or M3 then go back and capture the base. By that theory I shouldn't be allowed to fly bombers. Gotcha... everyone should be furballers and play the way you want them to.
I think you are way off base with this statement. Your making analogies that don't make sense.
When you make statements like "Gotcha... everyone should be furballers and play the way you want them to" you make yourself look idiotic and erase all credability to your somewhat meaningful OP.
Quit whining like a girl about lone wolfing it in buffs. Make mission and kick some arse. Other wise shut it.
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A lot of people who "don't" read the boards like to fly bombers, and a lot of them like to furball, they may not have gotten the message that they are supposed to change there tactics,,
and a good bit of them don't care that they need to defend against the bombers that have nothing else to do than flatten fields ,
Why the furballers don't spend more time in the DA is beyond me, but it is there choice.
I love to do both, many times I like to take up bombers and hit strat targets, now it is easier to just hit fields instead,
everyone may need to adapt, but not everyone is going to!
My point is, by moving the strat targets away from the fight, yes the bomber guys have whined,, because you have taken there fun and moved it further away!
not that the strats didn't need moving, but they need to be replaced by something new!
I don't think they are shutting down bases in retaliation, they just want to get to there fight as fast as they can as well, and that is what is left to them,
I don't blame the furball guys for being mad about it either, there job just got tougher to, now they have to go up and hunt bombers instead of just looking for fighters!
while it may have changed the game dynamics, it hasn't forced anyone to stay and adapt to it!
To me it seems like there is less fights and less chance of hunting bombers than ever since i have been playing!
may be my imagination! :noid