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Title: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: 321BAR on July 07, 2010, 08:17:16 PM
Which do you think will win?

And will the Vuvuzelas kill your ears again? :D


P.S. i kinda wanna put the Fellowship of the Vuvuzela video from another thread in here but i think i may get skuzzified :D
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: crazyivan on July 07, 2010, 08:21:42 PM
Go Dutch!
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Rino on July 07, 2010, 08:32:04 PM
     Whomever 68Wooley picks to lose  :D
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Bruv119 on July 07, 2010, 08:39:14 PM
pending the octopus prediction I say Spain. 

Torres to actually score!   :O
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: BoilerDown on July 07, 2010, 10:42:23 PM
I'm going to guess Spain.  I think they had to beat better teams to get there.  But I don't really know.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Tordon22 on July 07, 2010, 10:56:51 PM
Espana! Watching that midfield work the 4-5-1 is beautiful. They can pass on a team all day. Puyol, Pique, and Busquets (sp?) just take back possesion at will too. I picked the Dutch to win from the beginning, but Robben and Van Bommel really irritate me.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: 68Wooley on July 07, 2010, 11:44:22 PM
     Whomever 68Wooley picks to lose  :D

 :rofl
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Mus51 on July 08, 2010, 12:25:02 AM
The world cup will be ours *noids*
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: MiloMorai on July 08, 2010, 01:44:09 AM
I hope the Dutch remember that the best defense is offense unlike their neighbours to the east.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: oakranger on July 08, 2010, 02:34:42 AM
Netherland
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: shiv on July 08, 2010, 09:28:58 AM
Ticki-tacka, Spain wins 1-0. I'd love to see the Dutch pull an upset though.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Heater on July 08, 2010, 09:30:53 AM
It will be close but the Dutch will come out on top
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: mechanic on July 08, 2010, 09:37:11 AM
I want Holland to win, I think and hope they will.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Mus51 on July 08, 2010, 10:35:24 AM
Ticki-tacka, Spain wins 1-0. I'd love to see the Dutch pull an upset though.

Why is that?
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: SmokinLoon on July 08, 2010, 10:37:56 AM
I vote for the Dutch.   :aok
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: shiv on July 08, 2010, 11:09:39 AM
Why is that?

'Cos as a disinterested party it'd be a more exciting event if the underdog wins. 

"Disinterested" may be a little inaccurate though.  I've been watching the Dutch team throughout the tournament and now with the US out I'd prefer them to win.  There's also the sentimental feeling that the Dutch should've won in '74 and that winning it now might be some sort of reward for all those years of great football.

Spain looks real tough though so I have to pick them to win 1-0.   Gonna be fun though.

Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Gh0stFT on July 08, 2010, 12:17:37 PM
HOLLAND!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Masherbrum on July 08, 2010, 01:53:29 PM
Holland!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Mano on July 08, 2010, 04:39:30 PM
SPAIN


(http://goldinero.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/futbol-espana.jpg)


 :aok
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: AWwrgwy on July 08, 2010, 08:30:53 PM
Twitter users pick Netherlands.

I can't say why but, Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLD_enUS308US308&q=bobbi+eden+soccer)


wrongway
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Halo on July 09, 2010, 10:30:43 AM
Spain  is silky smooth, and ball control is the name of the game. Spain, 2-1.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: TinmanX on July 09, 2010, 02:46:12 PM
pending the octopus prediction I say Spain. 

Torres to actually score!   :O


The Octopus agrees. Spain it is!
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Simba on July 09, 2010, 03:06:56 PM
Paul the Psychic Octopus predicts Spain to win the World Cup, Germany to win the play-off to take third place. As this ol' cat lives part-time in Spain, I'll go along with that.

Mind you, I think he may have been influenced by the Spanish love for octopus tapas. 'Si, senor, I vote for Spain, I friendly cephalapod, I say you gonna win, please no eat me, huh?'

Clever critters, are octopi.

 ;)
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Bruv119 on July 09, 2010, 04:11:18 PM
How badly will this bombshell effect the Dutch teams morale.  Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: SEraider on July 09, 2010, 06:11:34 PM
I'm picking Orange.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Curval on July 09, 2010, 06:44:38 PM
I will be cheering for the Dutch but actually have a bit of cash on Spain, so either way it will be a great Sunday.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: fbWldcat on July 09, 2010, 07:00:39 PM
I choose....
Whichever country's box has the best, most succulent mussel in it...  :noid
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Dace on July 10, 2010, 09:36:31 AM
Since the U.S. got knocked out I've been pulling for the Dutch and will be during the final. But after watching the way Spain handled Germany in the semis (who I thought was the most dangerous team in the tournament, Muller or no Muller), it's hard to be confident.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Dragon on July 10, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
I'm thinking Spain, but would prefer Netherlands.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Simba on July 10, 2010, 03:51:16 PM
The Spaniards do dearly love to party. When Spain won the semi last week, mi amigo bartender Cico lined up the drinks on the house all night, and the pueblo lit up with fireworks. Wish I could be there manana - win or lose, there's going to be one hell of a fiesta.

Vamos, Espana!

 :rock
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: CyranoAH on July 11, 2010, 05:22:02 AM
FC Barcelona 2 - Holland 0 :)
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Angus on July 11, 2010, 07:22:55 AM
2-1
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: guncrasher on July 11, 2010, 03:51:45 PM
If Spain loses I an gonna eat lots of octopus ceviche to get even :).


Semp
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: FYB on July 11, 2010, 04:05:59 PM
SPAIN  :x
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: shiv on July 11, 2010, 04:09:01 PM
That's one smart octopus.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: SgtPappy on July 11, 2010, 04:09:59 PM
Someone should kill it.

Its hunger has rigged the entire tourney!
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: saggs on July 11, 2010, 04:14:31 PM
Well done Spain.


But I really couldn't enjoy it.  Terrible officiating even in the final.  :rolleyes:

I only saw the second half, but saw some terrible calls.  Most notably when Robben had a 1v1 run and was obviously held at the box with no whistle.

Then in overtime, a Dutch penalty kick is obviously deflected off Spain's wall, goes just wide... and Spain gets a goal kick...   :rolleyes:  Not 30s later Spain scores,  the ball shouldn't have even been on the Dutch end for Pete's sake, it should have been a Dutch corner..   :furious


Either FIFA officiating is a total joke (no goal line camera, no video review, huge blown calls, completely subjective fouls, etc)    or the games are fixed.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Bruv119 on July 11, 2010, 04:15:22 PM
That's one smart octopus.

 :lol    I was a little hoping for penalties towards the end there.   I think Spain deserved it overall though.

the ref did ok lots of kicking going on...
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: shiv on July 11, 2010, 04:20:45 PM
At least the ref kept it 11-11 most of the way.  Could've easily tossed DeJong for the karate kick in the first half.  Bad luck for the Dutch in the end, they fought hard enough to win.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: saggs on July 11, 2010, 04:27:19 PM

the ref did ok lots of kicking going on...

Yeah, all he did was gift Spain a free goal kick that set up their goal.   :rolleyes:

C'mon even 12yr old rec league refs don't screw up calls like that, and if the head official didn't see the deflection off the Spanish wall (though I can't see how anyone could miss it.)  The line judge sure as heck saw it.

Something's very fishy with the officiating.  :noid
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: CyranoAH on July 11, 2010, 04:41:05 PM
Something definitely wrong with the referee. He should have sent 2 dutch players off in the first few minutes. Good game, and the better team won.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Motherland on July 11, 2010, 05:25:37 PM
The Spanish acting coach deserves a pay raise, I would say...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: 321BAR on July 11, 2010, 08:43:09 PM
when IS the game?
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Motherland on July 11, 2010, 09:06:30 PM
when IS the game?
Sunday July 11th 2:30 EST
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Mano on July 11, 2010, 09:09:16 PM
SPAIN


..

(http://enelcaminoradio.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/copa-del-mundo1.jpg)

..

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Sombra on July 11, 2010, 09:52:37 PM
From this:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/spanish-goalkeepers-girlfriend-distracts-british-press/

to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kLyCoEiqj0
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Mus51 on July 12, 2010, 03:07:44 AM
What a BS game. The game was pretty much played when the referee gave Robben a yellow card while he actually should have been giving him a penalty.

I'm convinced the referee was either corrupt or blind at some points.



Oh and PLEASE!! Get rid of Van Persie! He did absolutely nothing this World cup.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: guncrasher on July 12, 2010, 04:02:02 AM
What a BS game. The game was pretty much played when the referee gave Robben a yellow card while he actually should have been giving him a penalty.

I'm convinced the referee was either corrupt or blind at some points.



Oh and PLEASE!! Get rid of Van Persie! He did absolutely nothing this World cup.

he got a card because he kicked the other guy.  he should've been expelled, actually lots of players should've been out of the game.

semp
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: DA98 on July 12, 2010, 07:06:33 AM
What a BS game. The game was pretty much played when the referee gave Robben a yellow card while he actually should have been giving him a penalty.

I'm convinced the referee was either corrupt or blind at some points.



Oh and PLEASE!! Get rid of Van Persie! He did absolutely nothing this World cup.

Cry me a river. At least two of your butchers (Van Bommel & De Jong) should have been out of the game at the half time.

A well deserved defeat, IMHO, since the dutch team approached the match as a karate tournament, not as a FIFA World Cup Final.

Karate Kid De Jong:

(http://www.cubadebate.cu/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/patada-holanda-espana1.jpg)

Images speak for themselves:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CekIw5moE5c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CekIw5moE5c)


It's a shame that a country well known for it's style playing football (style inherited by FC Barcelona and, ironically, Spain in it's current incarnation) played a World Cup Final like a Regional League match. The germans at least lost the semi final on one of the cleanest matches of the tournament, for which they deserve -IMHO- respect and recognisement. They never reverted to the kind of brute playing that was seen yesterday.

So yes, well deserved defeat.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Bruv119 on July 12, 2010, 07:44:05 AM
Yeah, all he did was gift Spain a free goal kick that set up their goal.   :rolleyes:

C'mon even 12yr old rec league refs don't screw up calls like that, and if the head official didn't see the deflection off the Spanish wall (though I can't see how anyone could miss it.)  The line judge sure as heck saw it.

Something's very fishy with the officiating.  :noid

gift a goal kick ?   :lol  don't make me laugh. 

you can't just score from the other end of the field.   The bad dutch defending led up to the goal not the referee's decision about a corner.   A bad delivery from a corner can lead to an instant counter attack.

I would give robben a yellow card too just for looking at me !   Call it karma for conning 100's of referee's every time he goes to ground so easily.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Dragon on July 12, 2010, 07:49:47 AM
Well it wasn't clean, their were several blown calls on each side, the players acting could have been better, but I enjoyed watching the game.


Spain   :cheers:
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Masherbrum on July 12, 2010, 07:54:32 AM
gift a goal kick ?   :lol  don't make me laugh.  

you can't just score from the other end of the field.   The bad dutch defending led up to the goal not the referee's decision about a corner.   A bad delivery from a corner can lead to an instant counter attack.

I would give robben a yellow card too just for looking at me !   Call it karma for conning 100's of referee's every time he goes to ground so easily.

I've seen it done a few times, when I played Soccer, in the WC and in the Premier League.   Goalies scoring on their goal kicks.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Bruv119 on July 12, 2010, 07:58:05 AM
I've seen it done a few times, when I played Soccer, in the WC and in the Premier League.   Goalies scoring on their goal kicks.

ok let me rephrase,  When everyone is concentrating and in their correct positions.  (Other keeper included) you can't score from a goal kick. 

Only if the defenders let it bounce and the striker manages to get in on it.   This is what we call "route1" football that happens a lot in Sunday league, the old hoof it up the pitch and hope the other team can't deal with it.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Simba on July 12, 2010, 08:13:04 AM
<emerges from sleep with a monumental hangover>

Viva Espana, what a party! Well done, amigos, football won, not brawling. And here's to the hosts, South Africa, for a great job all round.

<hoists glass>

Cheers!

<falls back into bed, resumes snoring>

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Masherbrum on July 12, 2010, 08:16:36 AM
On a Goal Kick, the ball is in play upon leaving the Goal Area.   In fact, not even two years ago a goalkeeper timed the bounce wrong and a goalie scored a goal as the ball bounced over the opposing goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: CyranoAH on July 12, 2010, 10:52:06 AM
If I'm not mistaken, the opposing goalie or any other player has to touch the ball first if the goal is to count.
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: druski85 on July 12, 2010, 11:20:55 AM
If I'm not mistaken, the opposing goalie or any other player has to touch the ball first if the goal is to count.

Goal kicks are now (have been for 13 years) direct and therefore do not need to touch the opposing keeper.  As a keeper, I generally laugh when they are put on target.  It reminds me of when people immediately take a shot from center field when play is started.  Even if I'm out of position, there's a good deal of time to get back into the net to make a save, no matter where it is put. 

Regarding the yesterday's match, it was absolutely pathetic. (In my mind) Far too much whining, far too many cards.  The dutch did play dirty, which was disappointing. However, it sure wasn't a clean game on the other side of the ball either.  All in all, the most disappointing final I've watching in a long time. 

What it comes down to is that Octopus has one crazy talent.   :)
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: ozrocker on July 12, 2010, 11:52:17 AM
Congrats to Spain! At least it goes to a Country who has never won it. Was a very badly(dirty) played game by both teams. Record for most penalties. Non calls were a big thing too.

                                                                                                                                        <S> Oz
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: shiv on July 12, 2010, 11:58:46 AM
If I'm not mistaken, the opposing goalie or any other player has to touch the ball first if the goal is to count.

That's a throw-in actually.  Hardly ever see that one though. 

But the point being made here is the deflection off the Dutch free kick that should have led to a corner, and the then Spain scored immediately following the (incorrect) goal kick.  Can't make too big a case for that I'm afraid, as much as I was rooting for the Dutch. It's a 90 minute game (or 120 in yesterday's case) and the bad calls should hopefully even out. Ineista wasn't really marked on the play and that's on the Dutch defenders, not the ref.

Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Sombra on July 12, 2010, 08:30:49 PM
For what it's worth, Iniesta's (the scorer's) knees after the match:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0ATB32MOcg


...

In other news:

Holland stars Wesley Sneijder and Robin van Persie hit out at Howard Webb for 'robbing' them as Spain claim glorious triumph (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1294011/WORLD-CUP-2010-Holland-stars-Wesley-Sneijder-Robin-van-Persie-hit-Howard-Webb-robbing-Spain-claim-glorious-triumph.html)


If they hurry up, maybe they can still save the season (http://www.2010worldkaratechampionships.com/home.html).
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: SEraider on July 12, 2010, 10:42:56 PM
There was a game yesterday?
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: froger on July 12, 2010, 11:55:11 PM
soccer .......is this a game ?     :neener:
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: dedalos on July 13, 2010, 08:44:57 AM
I pick Spain.  Any bets?  :D
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: SEraider on July 13, 2010, 10:07:43 AM
I pick Spain.  Any bets?  :D

Hmmm..... Do I know you?  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: dedalos on July 13, 2010, 11:47:04 AM
Hmmm..... Do I know you?  :cheers:

I am the guy that said Argentina was over rated.  muahahahahahaa  :rofl
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Wmaker on July 13, 2010, 11:48:53 AM
WTG Spain!  :)
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: SEraider on July 13, 2010, 12:11:49 PM
I am the guy that said Argentina was over rated.  muahahahahahaa  :rofl

Well, I can't argue that anymore....  :(
Title: Re: Spain or Netherlands?
Post by: Dragon on July 13, 2010, 12:21:08 PM



If they hurry up, maybe they can still save the season (http://www.2010worldkaratechampionships.com/home.html).


 :rofl