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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: RTHolmes on July 14, 2010, 01:40:02 AM
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It used to be that if you were lucky enough to own a decent sports car, you'd hop in on a friday night, drive down to wherever the track was, go racing then drive back again the morning after with a cracking hangover (assuming you didnt stack it too badly in the race.)
These days race cars based on roadgoing models are rebuilt from the bare shell, likewise engines, gearboxes etc etc then trailered to the track and really bear no relation to the car you can buy from the dealer.
It seems that Porsche decided it was time to revive the good old days, and also maybe to address remarks about their more extreme models being trackday "toys".
So ... they took a standard 911GT3 RS, just like you can buy from any Porsche dealer, ripped out most of the trim, the passenger seat and handbrake, and installed the obligatory FIA-approved roll cage, fuel tank, fuel pumps, steering wheel and switches. the only "mods" they did were different springs and a set of slicks.
They then drove it the 200m from the factory to the Nurburgring, put the slicks on it and went racing.
Not just any race either - The N24. A 24 hour race on the most demanding circuit in the world. each lap is about 16m long and includes about 170 corners. yup you read that right, 170 corners.
(http://germancarscene.com/wp-content/uploads/2-24h-porsche-24.jpg)
145 laps later (2300m, almost 25,000 corners) it crossed the line 4th in class (the rest of the class being purpose built racers) and 13th overall.
Then they put the Michelin road tyres back on it and drove the 200m home again.
(http://germancarscene.com/wp-content/uploads/4-24h-porsche-24.jpg)
how cool is that? :D
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Nice! :rock
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one of the 911 drivers was chris harris, writes for EVO mag (I think theres a US version of it too).
another EVO writer dickie meaden was driving the works aston v12 vantage (called kermit :D), finished 3rd in class despite a fuel pump failure and a tow back to the pits:
(http://community.evo.co.uk/users/Stephen-Dobie/photos/Nurburgring-24-hours/3981005171433355b.jpg)
the 3rd journo from EVO was in a privateer lotus exige (not bad for a bunch of hacks :)). his race didnt finish too well though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVI4OR2_kOI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVI4OR2_kOI)
:uhoh
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most car componies ferrari,porche,lambo etc. if theve been racing cars like that forever (which most have?) then its probely a very reliable car in the long run.....racing run that is
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Cool story, but I fail to see where the big deal is?
The week end warrior street car is still much alive and kicking despite the increasing spread between "track safety/being competitive" and "DOT safety" requirements. Mazda Mx5 owners would be the first to throw their hands in the air I'd bet.
Usually manufacturers offer "remove the seats and go club race" versions of their flagship cars. Like Ford could take their F500S and do the same thing.
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well the big deal is its a showroom model, a road car, which drove 200m to a race circuit, put on some slicks, raced competitively for 24h (ie. flat out) with turning a spanner, then drove home again. I'm not aware of another car doing that in the modern era.
eg. the aston was pretty close, being road registered and having largely standard engine, running gear and chassis. apart from £100,000 worth of carbon fibre body lightening, aero mods, research and testing. and being towed back to the pits for a broken fuel pump, plus another stop.
when was the last time that happened at Le Mans? or Sebring (just the 12h)? indeed how many club racers drive their cars too and from the circuit rather than trailering them?
PS I'm pretty sure the F500s dont come road-registered from a dealership standard with electric windows, heaters and the option of aircon and CD audio systems etc ...
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Cool story, but I fail to see where the big deal is?
The week end warrior street car is still much alive and kicking despite the increasing spread between "track safety/being competitive" and "DOT safety" requirements. Mazda Mx5 owners would be the first to throw their hands in the air I'd bet.
Usually manufacturers offer "remove the seats and go club race" versions of their flagship cars. Like Ford could take their F500S and do the same thing.
FR-500S's are not Street Legal. This is what RT was saying all along. This wasn't trailered to/from an event, it was driven to and from the track with the only modification was tires and springs. The track this was run on, makes it even more amazing.
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Just to get this straight, "200m" isn't TWO HUNDRED METERS, is it? I'm assuming you mean TWO HUNDRED MILES, because 200 meters really wouldn't be all that impressive :banana:
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Fails as it is no daily driver.
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Fails as it is no daily driver.
It for all intents and purposes IS a daily driver Shuff. It is street legal, save the slicks.
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They built it just to take to the track.
Stripped of creature comforts.
I don't think it rates a daily. :D
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They built it just to take to the track.
Stripped of creature comforts.
I don't think it rates a daily. :D
Given my occupation, I'd DD that thing in a heartbeat.
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They built it just to take to the track.
thats the point, they didnt.
its a daily driver. walk into a porsche dealership, drive one out if they have one in stock, or order one in the usual way. usual porsche warranty, spec it up how you like, colours, trim, satnav, cd/multi-speaker sound system and aircon etc. just like any carrera or boxster. you could drive it to work and back every day for 20 years if you dont mind the rather firm suspension (or live in germany ;))
edit: tbh it wasnt entirely road legal - it had its racing number 11 stickers on the doors, which is illegal in germany :D
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if it doesn't pass a safety inspection it's not a daily driver.
the roll cage, and lack of emergency brake will fail most street cars.
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It for all intents and purposes IS a daily driver Shuff. It is street legal, save the slicks.
how many people do you know that would drive that car every day in any weather? there are a few, but in reality, shuff is right.......she is no daily driver.
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With a set of proper street tires I would...hell I dont have AC and my windows dont work, it might be a treat!
Strip
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the electric windows were working fine apparently, and it could have had A/C, satnav and a stereo - theyre all on the options list :D
if it doesn't pass a safety inspection it's not a daily driver.
the roll cage, and lack of emergency brake will fail most street cars.
roll cage is fine in UK and I suspect most of europe. the handbrake - ok make that (with the race numbers) 2 strikes if they got pulled over. if thats the best you can come up with to be sniffy about this fantastic achievement I can only assume its because of the badge. meh.
how many people do you know that would drive that car every day in any weather? there are a few, but in reality, shuff is right.......she is no daily driver.
every single petrolhead I know, including me. (my mum wouldnt, but then she doesnt like driving my dads 530d because its too powerful apparently.) and it would probably look something like this:
(http://community.evo.co.uk/users/Monkey-Harris/blogs/images/BE4A9EB9-1999-557B-631A1AF108C4E8A4.jpg)
that was a frustrating days drive apparently, they hardly got over 60 in the snow ...
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the electric windows were working fine apparently, and it could have had A/C, satnav and a stereo - theyre all on the options list :D
roll cage is fine in UK and I suspect most of europe. the handbrake - ok make that (with the race numbers) 2 strikes if they got pulled over. if thats the best you can come up with to be sniffy about this fantastic achievement I can only assume its because of the badge. meh.
every single petrolhead I know, including me. (my mum wouldnt, but then she doesnt like driving my dads 530d because its too powerful apparently.) and it would probably look something like this:
(http://community.evo.co.uk/users/Monkey-Harris/blogs/images/BE4A9EB9-1999-557B-631A1AF108C4E8A4.jpg)
that was a frustrating days drive apparently, they hardly got over 60 in the snow ...
was just making a point. and i know everyone will drive a stock one(like what appears to be pictured below) in any weather.....although most us porsche owners won't bring their "baby" out in something like that........
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Kinda reminds me of the "Rent-A-Wreck Nationals" a bunch of my friends did years ago. Rent a car from a rental company, slap on a nitrous get up, and go to the dragstrip for a night of fun. Come Saturday morning, take the car back to said rental company and get your deposit back, that is unless you had a nitrous backfire, then it wasn't quite as simple. :O It was pretty fun til people started getting carried away, which usually happens when you toss a bunch of rednecks,nitrous,cars and mass quantities of beer together. :cheers:
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What I meant with the FR500S is that u could buy a Mustang GT from the dealer and strip, add all stage 3 suspension/exaust from Ford Racing and get a FR500S. Off course the FR500 is not street legal, it's a spec car, it's made for racing only. But Ford could easily make one for similar publicity stunt. And any other brand out there with a sport model.
Again, there's a lot of cars out there where u can do the same stuff, as long as you have brakes that can handle racing. Now would u buy that Porsche? Heck no, u'd fear that the abuse of the race would not make the engine go past 10,000 miles :cheers:
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RT i like the pic, weather like that sure makes the cheeks pucker to the seat, i can see the frustrating part all that power and handling and no real way to put it to the ground with that weather
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I love it when it snows - you get to play at safe speeds. last winter coming back from a football match halfway through the 80m journey it started snowing. hard. we got off the motorway and there was this really big, empty roundabout. I drive a fwd beater cus I park onstreet atm, so since I was driving my bros 330 m-sport i thought it would be rude to waste the opportunity.
me: *reaches for DCS button and disables traction control*
bro: err ... what are you doing?
me: dont worry man ... *starts scandi flick by turning left*
bro ... huh? ...
me: *flicks right again, lift, power on*
bro: ... aaaAAARRGGH ...
me: *looooong slide halfway round roundabout*
bro: ... silence ...
me: *lift and flick left to straighten up on exit*
bro: dont EVER do that again.
:devil
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I should add......i'm not critisizing the car........only the fact that they try to pass it off as a daily driver in the condition it was raced in.
to me, a daily driver is like my stang was........every single day to and from work, to the airport to fly, to the r/c field loaded with airplanes, to the gf's house in philly, and all regardless of the weather. nothing special to do....get in, turn the key, and go. no extra maintenance.
then go to the track, click off some 12 second passes(with the a/c running if it was hot enough), run the power window down to get my time slip, run the power window back up, park it in the pits, and go watch till they called our class again. at the end of the night, drive it home.
THAT is a daily driver. :D
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well you already know you can walk into any porsche dealership and order one - just like any other 911.
I could also add that it comes with the same standard 2yr unlimited mileage guarantee (extendible to 9yr and 125,000m) and 20,000m service intervals - just like any other 911.
I could also add that you get as standard electric windows, electric heated door mirrors, CD changer stereo, airbags, aircon, alarm system, tracker, ISOFIX child seat points on the passenger seat (lucky kid!) etc etc - just like any other 911.
I could also add that you can spec options for cupholders, garage door opener, cruise control, heated seats, DVD player, iPod interface, mobile phone interface, satnav, bluetooth, voice control etc etc - just like any other 911.
but there wouldnt be much point since you're plainly determined not to get it :rolleyes:
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Just to get this straight, "200m" isn't TWO HUNDRED METERS, is it? I'm assuming you mean TWO HUNDRED MILES, because 200 meters really wouldn't be all that impressive :banana:
I keep reading it as 200 meters, too.
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All the guys in our H-Town Camaro Club drive to the track and a few of those are 1000 hp at the rear wheels. They just change to their smaller rims and hoosiers at the track. The factory P zeros on 22" rims don't have enough traction even though they are great tires.
We have some 800 hp cars too. Most of the higher horsepower cars are new camaros.
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nice :aok
(whats a hoosier?)
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All the guys in our H-Town Camaro Club drive to the track and a few of those are 1000 hp at the rear wheels. They just change to their smaller rims and hoosiers at the track. The factory P zeros on 22" rims don't have enough traction even though they are great tires.
We have some 800 hp cars too. Most of the higher horsepower cars are new camaros.
A BUDDY of mine(the dude that sunk his jeep) just sold one of his vipers, and has another one coming. it was dyno'd to 1100hp. street driver. :D
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nice :aok
(whats a hoosier?)
it's a brand of racing slick. i have them on my camaro, as i get better traction from them, than from goodyears.
on my mustang, i ran bf goodrich drag radials, and just before that car got totaled, i had switched to nitto drag radials.
amazingly, those tires gave me better wet weather traction than "proper" street tires did, which is why i left them on there all the time.
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Hydroplane aside that is about what I would expect, the soft compound of the drag radials grips the roads better in wet conditions.
(I wonder how many people would be surprised to hear I run 4.25 PSI in my Hoosiers?)
Strip
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Ah yes, the Porsche: nice car, but a bit stiff for conveying a passenger in proper comfort. A few years ago, this ol' cat had the perfect driving job, working for an up-market car-hire business. We decided a 'James Bond Night' would make for a fun Christmas party. We togged ourselves up, wheeled out the appropriate cars, collected the guests, and had a great time. Just after I'd delivered the last of them and before I got absolutely rat-arsed, a colleague took this pic:
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/Simba_of_DuxWing/100_1744.jpg)
The Penguin and the Bentley. I've lost most of the surplus pounds since then. 'Big Ben' was a bit of bus, the Aston-Martins were more fun - and the Porsches were best for blasting round the highways 'n' byways of ol' England, despite the jarring they gave my poor ol' spine.
Cheers!
:cool:
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Hydroplane aside that is about what I would expect, the soft compound of the drag radials grips the roads better in wet conditions.
(I wonder how many people would be surprised to hear I run 4.25 PSI in my Hoosiers?)
Strip
really? on the camaro, we ran 7.5 cold. on the drag radials, i ran about 22 on the street, and dropped that to anywhere between 15 and 18 for the track, depending on the conditions.
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just to bring this back round OT again (and before CAP posts that pic of his camaro bustin loose on the strip ;)), heres a short clip of a GT3 driving in less than ideal conditions.
this one, unlike the OP, is a fully race-prepped GT3(996), in no way road legal. built from scratch by the RS division - seamwelded shell, hand built engine, gearbox, well everything really with race-spec components, not production stuff.
turn up the volume and enjoy :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZq6gNommQk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZq6gNommQk)
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Eddie Bello daily drives his porsche and drove it from florida to texas to compete in the texas mile where he .....well....the Tee shirt says it all.
(http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads17/photo1269458830.jpg)
Yes this is a necropost but it is on topic.
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Eddie Bello daily drives his porsche and drove it from florida to texas to compete in the texas mile where he .....well....the Tee shirt says it all.
(http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads17/photo1269458830.jpg)
Yes this is a necropost but it is on topic.
Just because the body is stock doesn't mean the rest of the car is...
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Just because the body is stock doesn't mean the rest of the car is...
the body probably isbn't stock either. i don't think there's any sanctioning body that'd let a car run that fast on its course without a roll cage....and there's gonna be body mods for that.
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I've worked on this car.
It is a stock body with only a panel in the rear seat area removed to mount the new engine and boost management systems.
Eddie's car is a daily driver and he routinely drives up to 2000 miles to race at an event and then drives home with the trophy though he has split a couple of transmission cases at the drag strip.......but that's only 30 miles away.
If you like stangs, we have a couple daily drivers with 800hp on up to 1200hp.
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I've worked on this car.
It is a stock body with only a panel in the rear seat area removed to mount the new engine and boost management systems.
Eddie's car is a daily driver and he routinely drives up to 2000 miles to race at an event and then drives home with the trophy though he has split a couple of transmission cases at the drag strip.......but that's only 30 miles away.
If you like stangs, we have a couple daily drivers with 800hp on up to 1200hp.
i like everything american, and fast.
he's not stock if he's going over 200mph. period. you're not talking to stupid people here.
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Never claimed it was stock.
This is a "Run what you brung" thread and my posts are related to the thread title.
Congratulations on trying to spin this thread toward whatever point you are trying to make.
Of course, stock porsche 930s were doing 13 second quarter miles in the late 70s and the porsche 935 I worked on at electrodyne came with leather interior and power windows.
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Never claimed it was stock.
This is a "Run what you brung" thread and my posts are related to the thread title.
Congratulations on trying to spin this thread toward whatever point you are trying to make.
Of course, stock porsche 930s were doing 13 second quarter miles in the late 70s and the porsche 935 I worked on at electrodyne came with leather interior and power windows.
i meant the body/interior. if there's not a roll cage, then he's suicidal. if there is, then there were body/interior mods.