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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Manock on January 23, 2000, 01:04:00 PM
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Not a bad day for reality flyers. Only ran across one superfast spitfire. He was canyon flying, and I couldnt catch him in a Mustang dive, so I couldnt even get shot down by him to see who he was.
In case there are some new flyers who are skepticle heres the URL explaining the problem of hacked-enhanced planes. http://www.combatsim.com/htm/sept99/multi-edit.htm (http://www.combatsim.com/htm/sept99/multi-edit.htm) We'll get this place cleaned up, and tip top shape in no time.
Calling Them As I See Them
Manock
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Calling Them As I See Them
Got an url for your guncam film so we can see them too?
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Glars
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Maps now available for Beta Terrain
http://glarsmaps.warbirds.org (http://glarsmaps.warbirds.org)
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Massively multi-player becomes a gigantic whale rotting on the beach in this context, since the disincentives don't exist to counter cheating.
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Thats a line of crap and your paranoid.
I have seen firsthand that hackers did enter the server, were found to be hacking and lost their accounts in several online games.
As far as disincentives, bullcrap. The incentive is to maintain a hackfree
environment or lose paying customers who will not pay to compete against people who cheat by altering code.
I have yet to come acrosss anything in AcesHigh the comes even close to suspected hacking.
As far as Im concerned, people who hack in pay for play online games are in the same league as people who steal property and money from decent folk. Petty criminals.
Bring up the Stocks and hang signs over their necks telling everyone they do sheep
for fun!
Yeager
[This message has been edited by Yeager (edited 01-24-2000).]
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I have seen to many really odd things in AH, to even think about finger pointing. It is still a beta.
Nobody has more to lose then the severs. So i cant se them just letting it ride.
The end of the artical makes a good point though. I am an example of this. I was CO of the top ranked squad in WB,s ACA. When it turn out that one of my boys was cheating. I cut him loose. Then apologised on AGW. I then resigned from the squad. My feeling was that if this was the sort of behavior I inspired. I had no business being a CO. I have avoided the whole squad thing ever since. But I want to say that I agree that this is a great solution to the problem. And squads can be the most fun you can have online, to boot.
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ROFLMAO!!! This guys good to have around...just for the comic relief!
It really brightens up my day to see a post with "cheating" and Manock on the same line (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Saying that the Online gaming companies don't do anything about hacking is just plane false information. You obviously haven't been around long ManChild, or you would remember situations where people were booted from games like Warbirds. I remember when the Me163 was available in Warbirds, and then got locked out in the next version. (Maybe it was the 262?) A few folks made a small change to allow them to fly this bird offline and distributed the changed file. Problem was, when they connected online with the modified version, HiTech had the alarms going off. People were getting losing accounts on that one, and it took some doing for them to get accounts back. Some never did.
I notice in the article you quoted nobody tried going online with a hacked FE. Anybody can hack an FE and film something offline, that doesn't tell me anything. If you want to prove cheating online can be done, why don't you try it yourself. Post a film of yourself going online with a hack and doing something obviously uber. We'll see how long you have a valid account.
I don't really expect you to have the guts to try this. If you do however, I imagine we'll find you without a valid account shortly thereafter. Until you can show me evidence like this, your arument is, as Shakespear said, "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
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Lephturn
The Flying Pigs
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I don't know who those guys are at Combatsim (Raider/Viking1) but they appear to be misinformed and don't represent my views at all. I don't think cheating is by any means rampant in WB and/or Aces High. WB has had anti-cheat code in place almost from the beginning. I don't know about Aces but if they don't have it now they soon will.
It is certainly in the interests of iEN, HTC, Playnet, or any pay for play organization to make absolutely sure that people don't get in and ruin gameplay for everyone else. I think it is priority one for them and if it isn't, a few real documented cheaters will force it to be.
Right now we are in *BETA* and who knows what sort of effects will be seen from bad connects, bad packets, etc. I cringe when I hear someone on the radio buffer start accusing someone of cheating as most of these are "you must be cheating because I can't fly as good as you" scenarios. How many apologies and testemonials have you seen after someone gets accused of cheating?
And this guy Viking1 is so full of it his eyes must be brown. Nothing beats the fun of flying in a squad of real people or defeating a human opponent. Computers don't get pissed - they just recite scripts that computer programmers provide them with. "Yes sir! Beans for breakfast... <tick> Yes sir! Beans for breakfast..." Playing with synthetic opponents and allies is not unlike having your very own silicon love doll. It just aint the same and never will be.
I'm surprised that Combatsim is putting such junk on the web. The arenas that have the biggest problem (ask anyone who plays Delta Force) are the ones that allow unlimited free play as a sidebar to buying their off-the-shelf sim. There is no real impetus to fight cheating as they have already made their money and most of their customers don't play online. It is not essential to their survival.
Junk. Cheating *is* a problem but almost to the man/woman I think we have a really good group who are above that. Most cheaters aren't ponying up the money to play the pay for pay and if they are in Aces I think they will disappear as soon as it does go pay.
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Your name should be man-crock-because all your whines are just that. Why don`t you find something else to do with your time junior? Maybe go fly Janes WW II Fighters offline-or is the A.I. cheating and hacking too? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) He-He after checking your scores I *doubt* anyone would need cheats or hacks to give you a thrashing.
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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"I'm surprised that Combatsim is putting such junk on the web."
They always have. It's the Internet version of HardCopy.
I would have to say that if Mansuck was ever hanged for intellegence they'd have an innocent man swinging on the end of that rope.
Curly
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Curly-
Remind me not to argue with you- I always get such a kick out of your colloquialisms. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
To TPTNRHR (The Pilot That Never Reads His Replies)-
Try to say one nice thing today... about anything at all... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Ralph Nader you're not, so don't bother with protecting the consumer here.
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Surly,
You're saying that sims and such are never hacked? Of course they bloody are. I remember flying in WB.. a squad invited me to gun one of their b25's. We flew over to some field, bombed it and then the pilot proceeded to go down from 17k to 500 feet in like 15 secs. I said wtf how'd you do that.. they replied saying it was some special spin.. yah right I was never able to duplicate the spin. Cheating occurs in ALL online games, just to varying extents.
It seems there are always creeps out there who think they can break the rules. (the same kind of people who cheat at poker and get the @#$@ beaten out of them)
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Keep it up Mansuck, Curly's on a roll (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Curly you kill me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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<Delete> www.combatsim.com (http://www.combatsim.com)
Don't need bookmarks like that.
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Of course cheating and hacking are going on. What other explaintion can be possible for the times I get shot down!
Every pilot who has shot me down is cheating. Due to my superior ACM skills and my vast knowledege of airframes any pilot who shoots me down is cheating!
Sorry guys/gals, just the plain truth!
Of course you know this means that almost every pilot in AH is cheating!
So next time you are about to shoot me down, think twice. It would be better if you just turned away and left me alone. This way you won't get accused of cheating!
Have a nice day! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Damn Ghostrider! This bogey is all over me!!
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Sorry Haha,
Wrong again. The stall-spin to drop from alt to capture the field is not a cheat. We used it many times. See how the uninformed can start a cheater cheater myth. Just because you haven't been taught the maneuver doesn't mean it's a hacked plane. Throw in warps and most players have no idea if a player's cheating.
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I had almost fogoten about the aw full stall decent, push stick forward and do a 90 deg bull out corner at 400 mph.
HiTech
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Originally posted by Brazos:
Sorry Haha,
Wrong again. The stall-spin to drop from alt to capture the field is not a cheat. We used it many times. See how the uninformed can start a cheater cheater myth. Just because you haven't been taught the maneuver doesn't mean it's a hacked plane. Throw in warps and most players have no idea if a player's cheating.
Wrong again? Uh may I ask when I was wrong before or are you just trying to sound like an {fill in word}?? If it isn't actually a hack then its understandable.. however it isn't realistic at all now is it ? It's just exploiting the flight model in the game.
btw my previous comment still applies people do and will hack online games, just to "varying" extents.. exploiting is as bad as hacking in my opinion.
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I went from 15k to 0 feet in less than 15 sec last night and I wasn't cheating, course the fact that Ypsolon had just shot both of my wings clean off might have had somthing to do with it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif)
Shamus
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Wrong Morbid, want to find hacks for online flt sims, ya dont have to look far. Its sad and true. I am glad for you that the particular brand of Flt Sim you have played has not been infested with Hacks but some paying games have been. no question, no lie, film available (600mph Hurricanes, flyin backwards and shooting,30k climbs in 4seconds). Raider's article to Combat Sim was written after some very obvious and unadressed hacks occuring in Fighter Ace. (snicker if you want)But the general feeling was if it happens here where won't it occur? And that is not "junk" it is a voice of concern.
I am optimistic that the community that is growing in AH will be a supportive (if competitive =) ) and an honest one. In the meantime how does that gag command go? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
JimBear_DD
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I personally don't think that cheating will be the end of AH, FA, WB, or AW.
I have seen a film of a Yak-3 doing 400+ vertical for tens of thousands of feet, and I also had the url for the cheat. I never went to the site and tried it for myself because I don't trust hacker sites.
In truth, FA cheats *have* been dealt with (it really takes time for go through the red tape). The most recent 500+mph Hurricane incidents are an example. These people are now either off the game or don't use cheats anymore.
Of course any hacker with enough sense (is that actually possible?) would hack with subtle cheats, but multiple films and different viewpoints, and enough time, would even disclose those cheats.
I have no idea about hacking any other games, I suppose it could be true but I highly doubt it is widespread. People will eventually get caught.
While I may not agree with the "hysteria" tone of this report, I do agree with parts of the last paragraph: I hope most online sims do have a way to detect cheats.
Fury
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Dont forget one of the main reasons that FA draws cheats to itself. In FA and at 10/mo, you get more of a 'gaming' crowd. They're not into flight fidelity or WWII aircombat simulating. Go ahead and look at the numbers in the arcade setting arenas - be it AW or FA. Embarassingly that is where most the numbers are. The fighting in there resembles more of X-wing and Tie fighter space combat. There is this need in a small minority in these arenas is to try and have more fun for themselves at the expense of all the others. So much so to the point that when they grow bored 'gaming' the sim they'll try to cheat. Sooner or later they *will* develop cheats, then they will use these hacks and then they HAVE to pass it out because hacks and cheats habitually need the attention this discovery gets them.
Why not? It's only 10/mo. It's a joke to them. they get a kick out of it. No harm doen right?
In "AH" no one is saying that there will or could never be a cheat. But there's not many who will bother coughin up $30/mo to find a way to cheat and get 10 40mm on an ME-262.
Folks in the beta have gamed the sim - with the gunner bailing from a B17 bug. That was in beta and that was fixed.
Any bugs like this discovered in production I have faith that they will be quickly squashed because one; the HiTech Creations folks do not have to monitor upmty thousand idjits as they do on the ZONE. And two; they'll not risk having many customers cancel a $30/mo subscription because someone found a way to fly in a Tiger tank or fly off the edge of the arena and appear invisible in the next one.
There's no reason to find hacks and cheats
in AH because....it will impress not a single soul in here.
-Westy