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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: MrRulo on July 19, 2010, 09:09:02 AM
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I saw in several places (and other sims) that 190's (i think A5 model) had the chance to add gunpods below the wing, 2 X 20 mm guns in each gunpod. They were used against buffs mainly b17's. Is any way to add them to the game?
(http://www.eagle-editions.com/original-photo.gif)
(http://www.afwing.com/intro/fw-190/chyvalries_190a5u12.jpg)
Rulo
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Hmm, field mod maybe? :headscratch: I don't know, I will have to look this one up. Good find though :aok
EDIT::
Fw190A-5/U12-Bomber destroyer, armed with 2x MG 151/20 cannons adn 2x (7.92mm) MG17's, supplemented by 4x MG 151/20 in two WB 151A twin gun containers scabbed under the wings.
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Hmm, field mod maybe? :headscratch: I don't know, I will have to look this one up. Good find though :aok
All of the gunpods on fighters were "field mods".
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Off course the plane's performance would be lower in general, but 8 X 20 mm guns, that would be nasty ...
Rulo
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+1
:aok
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Off course the plane's performance would be lower in general, but 8 X 20 mm guns, that would be nasty ...
Rulo
:confused:
2 x 7.92mm machine guns and 6 x 20mm MG151 cannons. No A-5/U-12's please.
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Just wonder, why not?
Rulo
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Cuz HTC adds only aircraft as they left the factory, field mods are not accepted... sadly cuz this A5 looks amazing for buff hunting, strafing and GV hunting.
Anyway...
+1 :aok
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Didn't know that detail about HTC, my bad then :(
Rulo
PS: Thx for the +1 's anyway
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All of the gunpods on fighters were "field mods".
So how do we have the gun pods on:
110G
G2, G6, G14
If HTC doesn't allow them?
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So how do we have the gun pods on:
110G
G2, G6, G14
If HTC doesn't allow them?
Those are factory gondolas - and arrived that way. The irony -many of the gondolas were "field-modded" - OFF.
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Not on the 109's PJ. The 20mm gun pods were factory built for them, but installed in the field.
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Not on the 109's PJ. The 20mm gun pods were factory built for them, but installed in the field.
It looks like you're correct. I've confused statements like the following (from the "Birds of Prey" site):
Unfortunately, the Bf 109 G-10 would usually reach the front line with factory-installed Ruestsatz armament kits.
with "factory-installed". It's not the same thing - and the variety of ruestsatz kits are truly bewildering. I also read an interview from an old Luftwaffe pilot, Franz Stigler, who said, in response to a question about the gondos:
"Oh, I never… I hated them!! I never had them on my airplane. As soon as I got a new airplane… I say, “That’s a damn part, off with them!”...Made it sluggish, you know. "
I took his "new airplane" to mean new with factory-installed gondos. As I admit, I have yet to see any evidence anything called a "kit" was installed at the werke.
So, valid correction...
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Theoretically, all Rüstsätze kits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%BCstsatz) were "field mods".
wrongway
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Not on the 109's PJ. The 20mm gun pods were factory built for them, but installed in the field.
So technically they were field mods, because they were not modded in the factory, but modded onto the aircraft in the field.
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That's funny I always thought that a field mod was modified in the field to fit an airframe. A factory mod was one that was built at the factory and shipped to the field and just bolted on with very little work.
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That's funny I always thought that a field mod was modified in the field to fit an airframe. A factory mod was one that was built at the factory and shipped to the field and just bolted on with very little work.
They start as mods in the field. If successful and someone wants to make the pitch to high command, then it could potentially turn into a factory made bolt on modification for units already deployed. Canopies would become standard equipment from the factory. Wing modifications would become standard factory equipment. Mission specific equipment like under wing armament, not so much but with the Luftwaffe it was never absolute.
Speaking of which PJ has a point, sorry I totally neglected to consider the G-10s and G-12s that were delivered with gun pods attached to the wings. Was only thinking F through G6 series.
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They start as mods in the field. If successful and someone wants to make the pitch to high command, then it could potentially turn into a factory made bolt on modification for units already deployed. Canopies would become standard equipment from the factory. Wing modifications would become standard factory equipment. Mission specific equipment like under wing armament, not so much but with the Luftwaffe it was never absolute.
Speaking of which PJ has a point, sorry I totally neglected to consider the G-10s and G-12s that were delivered with gun pods attached to the wings. Was only thinking F through G6 series.
Sure and thanks for the ackowledgement but I'm not clear that those kits were installed at the factory. We're slicing it thin here but all we know for certain is that those G-10s/12s showed up with the mod.
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I saw in several places (and other sims) that 190's (i think A5 model) had the chance to add gunpods below the wing, 2 X 20 mm guns in each gunpod. They were used against buffs mainly b17's. Is any way to add them to the game?
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MrRulo, the pictures you show are of one experimental FW-190A-5 of JG11. According to what I've read, with all that weight it handled poorly.
Still... with six 20mm MG/151... :devil
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Thats why the idea was or at least I think it should be for buff hunting, split s and then run like to the field with some extra cover
thx for the coment...
Rulo
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That's funny I always thought that a field mod was modified in the field to fit an airframe. A factory mod was one that was built at the factory and shipped to the field and just bolted on with very little work.
Rüstsätze kits could be fitted in the field, as opposed to Umrüst-Bausätze kits, which were typically fitted in the factory. This was not a hard and fast rule, however; during production runs various Rüstsätze kits were often fitted by factories in order to meet Luftwaffe demands.
The "theoretically" part is, while they were designed to be fit in the field, they were also often installed while in the factory.
wrongway