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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: InCrypt on July 21, 2010, 12:16:34 PM
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Hey guys! This is a shout out to you real life pilots - and those of us flight geeks who may be interested. I was watching a show last night called 10 most deadly airports. I wanted to know if any of you had experience with any of these airports. I wrote down the names during the show because I want to see if I can find these infamous airports in MS FS X. I want to give them a try myself! I was curious if anyone had any experience with them at all. Any stories you may have heard. Whatever! I just drink this stuff up!
InCrypt
10 San Diego International Airport/Lindbergh Field - SAN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_International_Airport)
- Congestion
- Parking Garage at the end of runway obstructing final approach.
9 Madera Portugal. Funchal (Madera INTL) - FNC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeira_Airport)
- Terrain (Carved out of a mountain side)
- Runway extends over ocean at 60 Ft
- Turbulent winds
8 Eagle Vale. Colorado USA. Eagle County Regional. - EGE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_County_Regional_Airport)
- Airport in a valley
- Unpredictable weather
- High altitude airport
7 Courchevel France. Courchevel Airport - CVF (http://www.virginmedia.com/travel/destinations/features/scariest-airport-landing-strips.php?ssid=6)
- High altitude (6500ft)
- Built on mountain side
- Non-flat roller-coaster runway with Ski-jump type ramp at the end.
6 KAI TAK Hong Kong. Hong Kong INTL - HKG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kai_Tak_Airport)
- Congestion
- Visual checkerboard landing aid required (located on a hill side) as you can't see the runway until the very end
- Approach through down town buildings.
5 Gibraltar Spain (Actually part of Brittan). Gibraltar INTL airport - GIB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar_Airport)
- Shares operation with Royal Air force
- Spain has restricted airspace forcing difficult approach
- A 4 lane highway crosses the runway.
4 St Martin (France but in the Caribbean) Princess Juliana Intl Airport - SXM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Juliana_International_Airport)
- Congestion
- 8500 foot mountains forcing a steep departure path
- Approach is over the beach. (Local pastime it to hold onto the fence as aircraft take off and "ride the jet blast" from the jets only 300 yards away.
3 St Barts (France, in the Caribbean close to St Martin) Gustav III Intl - SBH (http://www.world-airport-codes.com/guadeloupe/st-barthelemy-7062.html)
- Congestion
- Low approach right over road traffic (5 to 10 foot clearance over street vehicles)
- Short runway (2100 ft)
2 Tegucigalpa Honduras. (Old call letters TNT) Toncontin Intl Airport - TGU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toncont%C3%ADn_International_Airport)
- Sort runway
- Step down approach through mountainous terrain.
- 60Ft cliff at end of runway
1 Lukla Nepal. Tenzing-Hilary airport - LUA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenzing-Hillary_Airport)
(Main airport for Everest expeditions)
- Short runway (1608 ft)
- High alt (9380 ft)
- Low visibility
- Uphill landing gradient of 12 degrees.
- Terminates in a hill so NO Go Around capability. It’s one shot do-or-die
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I watched that show. Interesting.
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Dutch Harbor isn't on there?
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it wasnt deadliest, but extreme and the title should be changed for that.
The only ones i havent flown into on FSX are 9,8,7,5,1
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I've heard that airport in Hong Kong is just nuts, planes have to contend with hills, the approach is over the city with housing going right up to the edge of the runway. On the other end of the runway is water with little margin for error and there can be some nasty cross winds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtnL4KYVtDE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtnL4KYVtDE)
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Intresting post, didnt get to see it but will keep my eyes open for when its on again.
Looks like you just completed Mbaileys top 10 list of places he doesnt want to go.
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I don't know about deadliest but, the scariest one is when you're landing on the exact same runway that there was a deadly crash on just a couple of weeks before your arrival. You saw the reports showing the wreckage. Heard the weather was a contributing factor. You see lightning flash across the sky out your window, watching the descent to approach, just as you feel the landing gear lock and the end of the runway very close...rain starts pounding on the plane and it shakes heavily from sudden high cross winds. :O
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I just did Eagle Vale. Colorado USA. Eagle County Regional. - EGE. I did set Stormy weather, but I did it in a P51. It wasn't too bad - no where near as dicey as I had been lead to believe. I'll have to give it another shot, but this time in a Heavy civilian airlienr, instead of an over powered WWII fighter. ;)
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4 St Martin (France but in the Caribbean) Princess Juliana Intl Airport - SXM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Juliana_International_Airport)
- Congestion
- 8500 foot mountains forcing a steep departure path
- Approach is over the beach. (Local pastime it to hold onto the fence as aircraft take off and "ride the jet blast" from the jets only 300 yards away.
Been there done that pastime last summer. :) Got to do it when an A340 was taking off.
We take a taxi from the cruise terminal. I get out of the car and first thing I see:
(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/54/l_acd9be68df8448649bfbe20c5394b6c7.jpg)
Immediately my jaw dropped...I didn't think I'd see anything more than a few prop planes in the few hours I'd be there.
(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/86/l_9634d2b8dc2a43688323ae13407f9155.jpg)
Quick snapshot of the A340 before I ran up to the fence. :)
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Krikey! That looks a might bit closer then the 300 yards I thought it would be!
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How old is this show? Kai Tak was closed in last century, that's over a decade ago.
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Ive only flown into San Diego, but its kinda freaky when you look out the window and the buildings are higher than you are!
and a 1600 ft runway at 9300 feet? Thats a recipe for disaster
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KAI TAK was aknowledged as being closed in 98. But it's reputation was so awesome that it still made the list.
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Krikey! That looks a might bit closer then the 300 yards I thought it would be!
300 yards? Hehe more like 50 yards tops! :)
I downloaded some Kai Tak scenery for FS2004 and it's fun flying planes on the approach path.
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Been there done that pastime last summer. :) Got to do it when an A340 was taking off.
We take a taxi from the cruise terminal. I get out of the car and first thing I see:
(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/54/l_acd9be68df8448649bfbe20c5394b6c7.jpg)
Immediately my jaw dropped...I didn't think I'd see anything more than a few prop planes in the few hours I'd be there.
(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/86/l_9634d2b8dc2a43688323ae13407f9155.jpg)
Quick snapshot of the A340 before I ran up to the fence. :)
Thats cool that you got to go there, while watching the show that was the one airport I wanted to actually go to, not only does that look like a lot of fun standing by the fence during takeoff's, but the view of watching them land looked just beautiful.
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Actually was part of a crew into HKG on numerous occasions during the 80's, normally on VC10 aircraft. The last time I was in there we blew a main on landing this was after flying there from Kathmandu, another nice little airfield near Everest.
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I just found that MS FSX has Courchevel France. Courchevel Airport - CVF. It's a VERY Short runway, but does nto have the ski-jump or roller coaster effect - just a short flat runway - with a bunch of 80 foot trees at the end!
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Thats cool that you got to go there, while watching the show that was the one airport I wanted to actually go to, not only does that look like a lot of fun standing by the fence during takeoff's, but the view of watching them land looked just beautiful.
Yeah it was disappointing not to be able to see a bigger plane land...it's awesome sitting on the beach and them flying over at 50 feet!
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I just found that MS FSX has Courchevel France. Courchevel Airport - CVF. It's a VERY Short runway, but does nto have the ski-jump or roller coaster effect - just a short flat runway - with a bunch of 80 foot trees at the end!
Search youtube..... several interesting videos of the airport.
This will get you started... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFzP9CRFdWw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFzP9CRFdWw)
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Dutch Harbor isn't on there?
rpm u flew there before?. i did w alaska airlines before they quit going there, i duno if they opened up service again there, but DAMM it was scarey as hell dude when we landed there.
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#10,,,,,,a building on approach.
i've been seeing more and more building that is wayyyyy too close to the approach/departure ends of the runways at my local airports.
at KVAY(south jersey regional) they're building a housing development right under where we make our crosswind turn.
so you figure......under full power, 500ft AGL, and turning. that makes us kind of "linger" slightly as we're only doing 65 or so. ya think those people are gonna complain sooner or later?
they screwed us at bader field(although i never flew to there) by putting condos stupidly close to the departure end. that airport had historical significance too, as it was the birthplace of the civil air patrol. and cap sank 2 u-boats off the coast of atlantic city, with pilots flying out of there.
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My local airport: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_LaAkAyoz0
These landings are not the exception but the norm. The airports in a sort of valley, not aligned with the prevailing winds. If it's a southerly then you're landing into winds coming off the antartic, if it's a northerly you're landing into windows that have come of a bunch of hills down across a harbour. Either way the turbulence is nasty. I've landed there hundreds of times, and still live fingernail marks in the arm rest. Note the short angled runway too :D
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TV Show Fail on this one.
San Diego and St. Maarten? Nah. St. Maarten is pretty and while there are hills off the departure end of 10 the rest of the directions are ocean. July 2009 - very scary. :rolleyes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFUPTHlBDWk
Aspen on a day where there's weather? - I don't go there. Rifle it is or somewhere else that isn't going to get me plastered on the side of a mountain thanks.
I'll buy Tegucigalpa (MHTG) and a couple others on the list however there are dozens more than should but don't make the cut. Heck the Ocean Reef Club when the manager is yelling at you is more dangerous than San Diego :lol
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rpm u flew there before?. i did w alaska airlines before they quit going there, i duno if they opened up service again there, but DAMM it was scarey as hell dude when we landed there.
Never flew in there, but watched several takeoffs and landings from the harbor.
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Sorry, the world's deadliest airport is bloody Frankfurt.
"Yu are not vlying zer Lufthansa? Zo, yur tranzfer gate iz 3,345km avay on zer ozzer zide off zer airport. Yu haff tventy minutes to get zere.
Iff yu do not report on time, yur bags vill be ovvloaded, und yu vill be detained by zer Grenzschutz und zer GSG9 in a room viz 35 Ruzzian gangsters.
Haff a nice day."
More people must drop dead of heart attacks from over-exerrtion than in any other place in the world.
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TV Show Fail on this one.
San Diego and St. Maarten? Nah. St. Maarten is pretty and while there are hills off the departure end of 10 the rest of the directions are ocean. July 2009 - very scary. :rolleyes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFUPTHlBDWk
Aspen on a day where there's weather? - I don't go there. Rifle it is or somewhere else that isn't going to get me plastered on the side of a mountain thanks.
I'll buy Tegucigalpa (MHTG) and a couple others on the list however there are dozens more than should but don't make the cut. Heck the Ocean Reef Club when the manager is yelling at you is more dangerous than San Diego :lol
I agree that Princess Juliana isn't deadly but it's scary sitting on the beach when planes are flying over at less than 50 feet. Granted I only got to see small aircraft, but I could just imagine a 747 flying over.
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How old is this show? Kai Tak was closed in last century, that's over a decade ago.
It officialy closed over a decade ago to all traffic when the new airport opened, had a ceremony and they turned off the runway lights. Shortly afterwards though they reopened Kai Tak for I think a couple more years (not really sure how long they reopened it and when they reclosed it again) to commercial cargo flights due to the systems at the new airport not being ready to fully handle all the commercial traffic, cargo traffic and buisness. Once the new airport was brought fully online I think Kai Tak turned off its runway light for the very last time. Still would of been about 8 years ago.
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Deadliest was probably Wau Airfield, New Guinea. Just one runway cut out of the jungle on a hill-side, with mountains all round and a gradient and drop-off at one end that dictated takeoffs in one direction only and landings in t'other, regardless of the wind direction. During the 1930s gold-rush it was the world's busiest air-freight terminal, with all sorts of transports flying in mining machinery and supplies, and people and gold-dust out - if they survived their first arrival, which all too many didn't; the wreckage lined both sides of the runway along almost its entire length.
North Shore, Gibraltar had its fraught moments too, before they extended the original runway.
:cool:
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Search youtube..... several interesting videos of the airport.
This will get you started... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFzP9CRFdWw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFzP9CRFdWw)
JEEEZZZZ :O
Do they cull the pilot apps from Samuri sword testers school? That looks like an easy way to commit suicide and ensure your kids get the insurance money.
Do you think Hitech would model it on a mountain for us :D
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Courchevel looks fun - wouldn't like to have to land a tail-dragger there, for sure, on that crazy runway.
:rolleyes: