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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Ripsnort on March 12, 2001, 02:09:00 PM
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Okay, the thread below convinced me to do some vid card upgrading.
Which Geforce 2 -32 meg card you recommend, and which brand should I most definately stay away from? Or does it matter?
I've seen Abit, Guillimot, etc...not sure which is best, or different, etc.
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I don't know too much about them, but I would probably buy Creative's.
Asus sounds good too.
Guillemots at least has had best GTS GF2 (or was it ultra),though, that can be seen in the price as well.
I don't know about their MX cards, how those are.
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 03-12-2001).]
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As far as GeForce 2 cards go rip, If your not going to invest in something thats off the base board design (faster mem/more memory/ higher clock speeds) then it really doesnt matter IMHO which card you use. However, *INHAAAAAAAALE* If you want to shop around and look for the best fps/$$ there are a few things to keep in mind one being the GeForce3 , its expensive but its the best available, going lower we have the GeForce2 ultra/pro/GTS/MX respectively in decending order, which will range from $550 to $75 not counting the GF3. The large price range is due to the fact that there are many configurations of these cards, 64mb Ultra's to 12mb MX's, clock speeds differ as well as the latency of the memory chips being used. I wouldn't suggest the MX if it's for the purposes of a "Gamers upgrade" for that I would go no less than a 32mb GTS $250-$175 I've found the best price listings at www.pricewatch.com (http://www.pricewatch.com) if your not afraid of buying online. I don't think I would recommend a 64mb card, the amount of memory in most cases is not the bottleneck, its the latency of the memory, if you do wanna spring for a higher card make sure you look for the latency of the memory the lower the better 5.5ns is the lowest right now (it could be lower) otherwise it's not worth the cost to just pay for more mem. I hope this helps.
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<nutty professor mode> "hercules, hercules...!!"
i'm in luv with my geforce2 ultra 64megger from guillemont/hercules: 3d prophetII ultra.
yummy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Okay, the thread below convinced me to do some vid card upgrading.
Which Geforce 2 -32 meg card you recommend, and which brand should I most definately stay away from? Or does it matter?
I've seen Abit, Guillimot, etc...not sure which is best, or different, etc.
Guillimot/Hercules or Asus, Leadtech makes good 1s too.
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Guillemot/Hercules.
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Leadtek makes a great card. Monster heatsink on it and it includes the software to overclock it.
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I'm now running the Asus V7700. 32DDR
Very nice card, blows my old TnT2 32 meg card away.
You will not regret the upgrade to the GForce2.
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Okay, found this one at Pricewatch, whaddya think? Its in my "Under 200" Budget.
AsusTek:32MB Pure
graphic accelerator/Complete
Retail kit, V7700 GeForceII
nVidia GeForce2 GTS DDR / 4X AGP /cooling fan attached / 350 Ramdac, ( * NoTV output) suport DVD, 7700 V7700 Pure.
(Note, I do not need TV output)
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Looks pretty sweet Rip. I don't think you can lose on these since nVidia supports the cards with their Det. drivers, so you don't need to worry about the vendor as much.
I say go for it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Leadtek: Overclocking card.
eVGA: Comes with 5.5ns DDR RAM (effectively a Pro card) and a value card.
Check pricewatch.com
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Okay, last min. I changed to Leadtek "Pro" which (as mentioned above) allows overclocking. $164 bones...otw in 3 days!
I'll post the bench mark I use in AH, the diff between my old Ultra TNT2 (26 FPS in the "B17 in Hangar with Clipboard" benchmark) and the new card. I'm hoping for at least a 25% increase in FR.
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One more question, Leph, maybe you can answer this: When the card arrives, I imagine I should probably update the drivers as soon as I get the card installed, no? Where is the best drivers (Detonaters?) website?
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Wait for the G3 to become widely available, then go for a 64 MB G2, because they will have significantly dropped in price.
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qts
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Best place for Detonator drivers is ofcourse nVidia but I've also found "leaked" or "unpublished" drivers at www.planetgeforce.com (http://www.planetgeforce.com) . I also have the Leadtek....good choice.
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Thanks again guys! Will post my (hopeful) FR improvement results this week end.
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http://www.m3dzone.com/files.php?directory=Videocards/NVIDIA/Drivers/W9x/ (http://www.m3dzone.com/files.php?directory=Videocards/NVIDIA/Drivers/W9x/)
Another place to get drivers . I am using the 7.52's now . The benchmarked 220 higher than 6.50 , on 3Dmark2001 .
gl on that card Rip , sounds great .
spro
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Originally posted by qts:
Wait for the G3 to become widely available, then go for a 64 MB G2, because they will have significantly dropped in price.
I wouldn't bet on any 'significant' price drops, since G3 costs so much that theres plenty time to keep G2'2 price up.
Probably will take 3 months before you could talk about 'significant' price drop, and meanwhile it would require G3 lose its high price.
(and of course nVidia takes all the money it can get with the new product before drops price)
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ripsnort
I too have the tnt2ultra card and feel i need
to upgrade myself. im not too happy with my frs
lately. can you kindly let me know what the
specs are on the rest of your comp is. i
mean cpu speed, ram, what win ver. you are
using. then post how the card does for ya so
i can make a guess as what card to
buy. thx
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JCy19
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Will do JCY, Specs are:
PIII-550 mhz
256k PC100 ram
Ultra TNT2-32 meg card V-SYNC ON(today)
DX7.01A
Machine is stripped of everything regarding software except Aces High and Office (and normal Win 98se stuff)
My benchmark I use is:
Resolution is set to 1024, 32 bit color.
Shut all background apps off.
Select "Nisles" terrain.
Select B17 with 50%fuel, 12x500 bombs.
Toggle 'Shift F1' to make sure I have the games highest resolution.
Select H for hangar to launch, start engines to idle, pop clipboardup, and take the high and low reading on FR.
Currently, I get 26 FPS with the Ultra, I'm gonna take a wild guess and say I get 36 with the new card.(but I wouldn't be surprised if I got 46 considering what I've read)
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 03-14-2001).]
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if you want to have a real benchmark, I recommend 3D Mark program for that.
It's available for free download at: http://www.madonion.com (http://www.madonion.com)
(they just released new version of it, 2001)
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Originally posted by Fishu:
if you want to have a real benchmark, I recommend 3D Mark program for that.
It's available for free download at: http://www.madonion.com (http://www.madonion.com)
(they just released new version of it, 2001)
Thks Fishu, but the only benchmark that means anything to me is the one I use within the game, that tells performance in raw data with respect to the software being used...Aces High.
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thx Rip
I did the same test you wrote about
and im holding steady at 25 FPS.
so let me know the diff when ya get
the new card. if it gains enough ill
know what card to buy. thx again for
your help
JCy19
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Thks Fishu, but the only benchmark that means anything to me is the one I use within the game, that tells performance in raw data with respect to the software being used...Aces High.
Good use for 3D mark 2001 is to get points for your computer and compare them to other results.
then you can see if its badly behind average and try to fix it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Someones had wayyyy too low results with TB 1ghz.. which makes me feel sad for such waste.
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Ahh, I see your point Fishu! <S>
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I just talked with friend who installed 3-D Mark 2001 to his Athlon 800/GF GTS. His words were exactly "That program did put my pc on its knees..."
That program really gives your CPU and GPU some work to do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by jcy19:
thx Rip
I did the same test you wrote about
and im holding steady at 25 FPS.
so let me know the diff when ya get
the new card. if it gains enough ill
know what card to buy. thx again for
your help
JCy19
I like Rip's idea here.
Jcy19,
what are your system specs?
Eagler
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hello
my specs are as follows
amd t-bird 900mhz
abit A-7 raid MB
128mgs of pc100 ram
tnt2 ultra 32mg vid card
window 98 second edition
soundblaster x-gamer live sound card
i get 25 fps with ripsnort's bench test
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Jcy with GeForce2 you propably would get at least same as I, 70-90fps in 1024*768 32bit
Edit: In flight I meant.
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Jcy should be getting better than that!(25 FPS) He's got a 900mhz! Whats missing to his equation?
Jcy, what resolution/color are you using in the game? I'm using 1024/32 bit for my benchmark.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Jcy should be getting better than that!(25 FPS) He's got a 900mhz! Whats missing to his equation?
Jcy, what resolution/color are you using in the game? I'm using 1024/32 bit for my benchmark.
TNT2 is a bottleneck above 500-600mhz.
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rip
your benchmark is how im setup
all the time. 1024x768 32 bit
and when i get into clouds or smoking
fields it gets low. if i fly right
thru smoke it gets choppy. i feel like
i should be better. it didnt go up from
my p3 500 and gigabyte MB. i uppgraded and
go no better fps. now i need a better card
so i can get full use of my processor.
edit: i did the benchmark test that fishu
talked about from madonion, and i scored
a 1402. dont know if thats good or bad
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[This message has been edited by jcy19 (edited 03-15-2001).]
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Originally posted by jcy19:
rip
your benchmark is how im setup
all the time. 1024x768 32 bit
and when i get into clouds or smoking
fields it gets low. if i fly right
thru smoke it gets choppy. i feel like
i should be better. it didnt go up from
my p3 500 and gigabyte MB. i uppgraded and
go no better fps. now i need a better card
so i can get full use of my processor.
edit: i did the benchmark test that fishu
talked about from madonion, and i scored
a 1402. dont know if thats good or bad
well, I got 1250 with Celeron 566@850 and TNT2 in 3d mark 2001
(memory doesnt seem to add for much kick in 3d mark)
I'd say thats quite bad, but will get alot better with new video card, guaranteed. (if its also newer technology (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 03-15-2001).]
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jcy, thats a pretty low score for the hardware you have. I'd say your video card and RAM are your bottlenecks. I get about 3800-4000 on the 3DMark, and I'm running a 700mhz Athlon, Geforce 256 and 196mb of PC100 on a Asus K7M mobo. You should look into getting some more RAM if you are going to upgrade. I just ordered 256mb of PC133 for $69. Also picked up my Geforce for $100. It's an older 256 with 32mb of SDRAM, but it still gave me a big improvement over my old TNT2.
*EDIT- btw, I get 47fps using Rips hangar benchmark.
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933p3
128 133rdram
gelforce pro 256 32mb
This is a Dell system , don't know mobo .
4456 with 6.50 drivers
4673 with 7.52
Nothing is overclocked but
I used Lep's site to setup pc . Plus
Norton's Utilites , speeddisk etc , this
seems to really speed up apps loading .
Just learned about this program last week reading this board . Seems ok to test drivers etc I guess . Have to try it on my old 333 66bus with ATI card and see how low it goes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
A lot of nice info here , learning alot on this board , ty all .
spro
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Originally posted by Raubvogel:
jcy, thats a pretty low score for the hardware you have. I'd say your video card and RAM are your bottlenecks.
I'd suggest to get video card first
with AH, memory isnt that big issue, if isnt playing some game like B-17 II.
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Check this article out before you buy Rip,also look at Skuzzys benchmark site.
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1334&p=9 (http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1334&p=9)
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There's link on the AH main page to Fradim's Aces High benchmark page.
http://www.grandeavenida.com/fps/index.cfm?Game=2 (http://www.grandeavenida.com/fps/index.cfm?Game=2)
He uses a benchmark test pretty well the same as the one Ripsnort is using. You can see what fps others with similiar systems are
getting, and help out others by posting your own.
bowser