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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: badhorse on July 25, 2010, 05:58:46 PM
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Just left the late war blue arena because the ENY was high. That's what ENY is for right? Gets you so annoyed you leave. Trouble is the cap on the other late war arena is set so low you can't get in there. HTC is there some way you can coordinate those two annoying features?
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Just left the late war blue arena because the ENY was high. That's what ENY is for right? Gets you so annoyed you leave. Trouble is the cap on the other late war arena is set so low you can't get in there. HTC is there some way you can coordinate those two annoying features?
First. :D
Switch countries? :headscratch:
Fly a 109? :huh
wrongway
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With all the planes we have in the plane set there should never be a complaint about not having something to fly. I really think people should pick a high eny ride to learn for just such times. To me it's a no brainer. It's just a matter of learning the plane. Why limit yourself?
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I find the simplest answer is to forget the spitfires... Stay with me here.... And pick a lower ENY plane such as the zeke, Jug, P39, Yak or something of the like. Those planes fly, too.
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Yep, I see a high ENY as an opportunity to fly something totally different and step out of your comfort zone. Of course I like the spit IXs and Brewsters so rarely even notice ENY till someone starts complaining.
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I love me some LA5 action now and again!! 190-A8 also a plus plus ride!!
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ENY can only affect those that choose to let it.
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F4U-1 :aok
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Just in case you missed the other responses...
Switch sides or switch rides. It's simple, really. I can't say that I feel sorry for you, cuz you let the big bad ENY blow you down. :rolleyes:
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Thanks for all the helpful responses. Looking forward to receiving your 15 bucks in the mail. Then I will be more than happy to do things "your way". Which as we all know is the only right way.
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If HTC changed the game for everyone who came on the forums and whined about the game not working they way they think it should, well, the company wouldn't be around any longer. ENY and arena caps are there for a reason, and although they can be annoying, they are currently the best solution to the problem.
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Thanks for all the helpful responses. Looking forward to receiving your 15 bucks in the mail. Then I will be more than happy to do things "your way". Which as we all know is the only right way.
Naaa. Keep sending your $15 the same place and don't play. You won't hurt my feelings.
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wrongway
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With all the planes we have in the plane set there should never be a complaint about not having something to fly. I really think people should pick a high eny ride to learn for just such times. To me it's a no brain-er. It's just a matter of learning the plane. Why limit yourself?
Why does everyone in this game insist on telling people what they should like and how they should think? I like hawgs and spitfires, it is that simple. My reason has NOTHING to do with how they perform in the game. That is why I pay to play! I really wish the forum was used by HT/team to "listen" to feedback and not feel compelled to defend. And everyone here follows their lead and jumps on people for NOT thinking like they do!
I know this sounds negative and for that I apologize. I have said in other posts how much I have enjoyed the new towns, bases, views from this recent patch and I am grateful as a paying customer! But adding yet another thing for me to wade through in order to get in game to fly is frustrating. I'm now editing sound files for Christ's sake and once done I will still need to deal with the old issues of arena caps, Eny, and being muted for expressing my political view on a channel when someone complains they can't find work.
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F4U-1 = ENY 25
Spitfire MkV = ENY 30
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F4U-1 = ENY 25
Spitfire MkV = ENY 30
Sorry I was not specific F4U-1D and Spit IX.
But thanks for telling me and others what we should enjoy flying.
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Sorry I was not specific F4U-1D and Spit IX.
But thanks for telling me and others what we should enjoy flying.
If you really enjoy flying the ponies, spits and LALA, you have many options. Switch to the lowest # country. Red guys are red guys.
As much as you might not like it, or think its a communist way of taking away your rights to fly what you want, do a search and find a better solution to side balancing.
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What's ENY?
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If you really enjoy flying the ponies, spits and LALA, you have many options. Switch to the lowest # country. Red guys are red guys.
As much as you might not like it, or think its a communist way of taking away your rights to fly what you want, do a search and find a better solution to side balancing.
There it is in a nut shell. What those guys that rant and rave about ENY refuse to understand is ENY is PLAYER controlled. The numbers of PLAYERS on one side or the other dictates how high or low the ENY is. If you insist on flying what you want all the time (and you do have that right, I agree), then you still have the opportunity to change countries.
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But thanks for telling me and others what we should enjoy flying.
Where did I tell you or anyone else what you should enjoy flying? All you said was Spits and Hogs, so I was pointing out a couple options. Apparently you're very butt hurt over all this. While I think it's awesome that HT accepts customer input and suggestions it leads to people always wanting it their way. Bad news, this isn't Burger King. They give us the game, it's up to us to make of it what we will within the environment they provide.
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Where did I tell you or anyone else what you should enjoy flying? All you said was Spits and Hogs, so I was pointing out a couple options. Apparently you're very butt hurt over all this. While I think it's awesome that HT accepts customer input and suggestions it leads to people always wanting it their way. Bad news, this isn't Burger King. They give us the game, it's up to us to make of it what we will within the environment they provide.
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Are you saying that we should be more flexible? The travesty...
Even though I pay $14.95 /month? The audacity..........
I couldn't even eat properly for that price.
I sure play this game more often than I eat.
What's ENY?
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I sure play this game more often than I eat.
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We've seen your pics. I call BS on the one :P
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Me too me too. I'm sure VonMessa has his share of Cheesesteaks, livin in Philly! At least that pic looked like it.
<S> Oz
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Money its dead simple, switch to the lowest numbered side, you get a target rich environment. And you can fly whatever you want till the cows come home.
It really is that simple.
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Why does everyone in this game insist on telling people what they should like and how they should think? I like hawgs and spitfires, it is that simple. My reason has NOTHING to do with how they perform in the game. That is why I pay to play! I really wish the forum was used by HT/team to "listen" to feedback and not feel compelled to defend. And everyone here follows their lead and jumps on people for NOT thinking like they do!
I know this sounds negative and for that I apologize. I have said in other posts how much I have enjoyed the new towns, bases, views from this recent patch and I am grateful as a paying customer! But adding yet another thing for me to wade through in order to get in game to fly is frustrating. I'm now editing sound files for Christ's sake and once done I will still need to deal with the old issues of arena caps, Eny, and being muted for expressing my political view on a channel when someone complains they can't find work.
EPIC FAIL !!!
No one here was really telling him what to do ... they were merely suggesting ways to deal with ENY.
And far as "dealing with being muted for expressing ymy political views on a channel" ... If I had my way, I would boot you from the game completely. There is nothing worse than some bullchit political topic being discussed on any channel this game has to offer, with the exception of PM. You want to discuss something political ... join a political blog or BBS ... keep that crap out of the game. It NEVER leads to any conclusion (as all political debates do) and only ends up getting real ugly and completely taking over a channel.
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Money its dead simple, switch to the lowest numbered side, you get a target rich environment. And you can fly whatever you want till the cows come home.
It really is that simple.
Ghost ... It's obvious that this is not something that they are looking for ... how dare you tell them how to play. They simply want to stamp their feet with ideas of grandeur that HTC will immediately do away with ENY because of a tirade.
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We've seen your pics. I call BS on the one :P
Even though it's a bit early, you can believe me when I say I mean this with all sincerity :neener:
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/NewNewXmas-1.jpg)
Just in case you go away for the holidays :D
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Just left the late war blue arena because the ENY was high. That's what ENY is for right? Gets you so annoyed you leave. Trouble is the cap on the other late war arena is set so low you can't get in there. HTC is there some way you can coordinate those two annoying features?
Just a correction...
ENY is not to get you annoyed so you leave the arena.
ENY is to get you annoyed so you leave your chess piece and join one of the ones outnumbered by your current chess piece. Or to make you fly inferior aircraft.
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Just a correction...
ENY is not to get you annoyed so you leave the arena.
ENY is to get you annoyed so you leave your chess piece and join one of the ones outnumbered by your current chess piece. Or to make you fly inferior aircraft.
Depends what you mean by inferior :D
What's ENY?
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Just a correction...
ENY is not to get you annoyed so you leave the arena.
ENY is to get you annoyed so you leave your chess piece and join one of the ones outnumbered by your current chess piece. Or to make you fly inferior aircraft.
Only squeakers get annoyed and/or annoying.
What's this ENY everyone is talking about? Is that short for Even in New York or Every Now and Yen, or is it Everyday's Not Yesterday? :headscratch: Come on fellas, stop talking in coad.
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It seems simple to understand, Money and Badhorse came here for answers to a problem. They didn't like the answers they got, which on reflection are the only answers available, so now they imply that everyone is telling them how to play. I like to fly the Spit9 and sometimes the 16 for certain circumstances and when I do always get people talking about "Dweeb ride" and I will tell them it's my choice it's in the hangar for selcetion so I'll fly it, but I do understand that during times of ENY restriction these are not available so will alter my ride to whatever is within the ENY range left to be used. I'm not telling you what to fly but look at that list, still plenty of aircraft to play with so "you" make the selection.
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Depends what you mean by inferior :D
What's ENY?
Hahah, good point Von. :lol
Any plane piloted by me is inferior. :neener:
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Hahah, good point Von. :lol
Any plane piloted by me is inferior. :neener:
I think I can recall (since our squad only flies German planes) being affected twice by ENY.
But then I chose a 190 A8, and all was good :aok
109 E is a helluva fun ride, also..
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Best thing to do is stay open minded and pick the best plane available for the job in hand. ok so you may only be able to fly a Spit V instead of the Spit XVI for example. But hey they virtually the same but the Spit V is just slower than the Spit XVI. And I tell you some players on the opposite side dont care for thier 400mph + P-38G to be shot down By an early war plane. :) :lol :rofl :salute
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Just left the late war blue arena because the ENY was high. That's what ENY is for right? Gets you so annoyed you leave. Trouble is the cap on the other late war arena is set so low you can't get in there. HTC is there some way you can coordinate those two annoying features?
It only annoys those who are married to an imaginary chess piece. Those that wish to play the game know what I mean.
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Best thing to do is stay open minded and pick the best plane available for the job in hand. ok so you may only be able to fly a Spit V instead of the Spit XVI for example. But hey they virtually the same but the Spit V is just slower than the Spit XVI. And I tell you some players on the opposite side dont care for thier 400mph + P-38G to be shot down By an early war plane. :) :lol :rofl :salute
First deliveries of the 38G occurred in June 1942 (According to Dean - AHT), and the plane is available to fly in the AH Early War arena - it is an early war airplane (for a U.S. plane).
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First deliveries of the 38G occurred in June 1942 (According to Dean - AHT), and the plane is available to fly in the AH Early War arena - it is an early war airplane (for a U.S. plane).
Yep, and it's great when they get shot down and then "WTF?? I just lost some perkies!!??!?!!?" :rofl
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Yep, and it's great when they get shot down and then "WTF?? I just lost some perkies!!??!?!!?" :rofl
:)
That's true in the EW, I was thinking late war because that was the context of this thread. The 38G is actually not a bad plane if ENY's got you down. While it is an early war bird it can get a decent head of steam going, dives well, has a great gun package, can lug 2000lb's of bombs around if need be, and comes in at 30 ENY.
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Some folks need a plane to offset experience. If they'd just get some experience in the other aircraft they may be pleasantly surprised.
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ENY is great. If your on low number side and didn't have ENY, not only would you be facing the horde, it would be a horde of high performance AC.
I don't think allot of people get the purpose of ENY. Its to balance the playing field..... AC vs numbers
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Thanks for all the helpful responses. Looking forward to receiving your 15 bucks in the mail. Then I will be more than happy to do things "your way". Which as we all know is the only right way.
Well seeing as we are having fun and your pissin and moaning, maybe our way IS a better way? Just saying :aok
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being muted for expressing my political view on a channel when someone complains they can't find work.
Don't express your political views in game and you won't get muted. Political/religious comments have no place in this game and before you throw out the "Freedom of Speech" card, remember that you leave those rights at the login screen.
ack-ack
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Thanks for all the helpful responses. Looking forward to receiving your 15 bucks in the mail. Then I will be more than happy to do things "your way". Which as we all know is the only right way.
If you filter out the patronizing and the sarcastic self-aggrandizements, the point is that there are many great planes that are ENY 20 and up.
For fast rides, there is the Yak-9U, or the 109K-4, among others.
For turny birds, there is JunkyII’s favorite, the Brewster. Or an I-16. Or a A6M5 (20?); A6M2 (40 for sure.)
Some planes, like the P-40s and the P-39s might take altitude and some selective engagements, but they can be a lot of fun.
You have choices other than logging off or switching countries.
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Here we go again, school must be out and the heat on.
Don't these kids have a hornet nest in a backyard somewhere to go poke with a stick, or a lake to go off to and drown in this summer, or something better to do with their parent's CCs?
Thanks for all the helpful responses. Looking forward to receiving your 15 bucks in the mail. Then I will be more than happy to do things "your way". Which as we all know is the only right way.
99 out of 100 paying customers have been doing it "our way" quite successfuly for a while now.
Oh, i know, that's probabley not what you came crying here to the boards about and expected to hear, so here: woo, woo, woo, we're so sorry, you're right, it's completely unacceptable to be flying on the country with the most player population and imbalance ontop of not being allowed to fly whatever skill-compensating late-war cannon-laden ride of your choice.
Why does everyone in this game insist on telling people what they should like and how they should think? I like hawgs and spitfires, it is that simple. My reason has NOTHING to do with how they perform in the game. That is why I pay to play! I really wish the forum was used by HT/team to "listen" to feedback and not feel compelled to defend. And everyone here follows their lead and jumps on people for NOT thinking like they do!
I know this sounds negative and for that I apologize. I have said in other posts how much I have enjoyed the new towns, bases, views from this recent patch and I am grateful as a paying customer! But adding yet another thing for me to wade through in order to get in game to fly is frustrating. I'm now editing sound files for Christ's sake and once done I will still need to deal with the old issues of arena caps, Eny, and being muted for expressing my political view on a channel when someone complains they can't find work.
It is simple, you like flying hogs and spitfires, so when ENY kicks in go fly one that isn't one of the top best late-war models, that leaves you with over half of the models of spits and hogs in the game to choose from and be happy... so why are you so unhappy here?... so simple a caveman can do it... or at least see through your teeth the "WAAAAAAAAHHHH I CANT FLY THE SPIT 16, C-HOG, or F4u-4 WAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!".
Sorry I was not specific F4U-1D and Spit IX.
But thanks for telling me and others what we should enjoy flying.
No one is telling you what you should enjoy flying. We're telling you that you cant be on the country with the highest population flying some of the best planes in the set, but you refuse to see the logic in this and instead take it as a direct insult and spat in your face. How about instead of blaming all of us for your situation you do somethin about it like change to a lower populated country, maybe? PS - your mom said she'll be home in an hour, if you haven't cleaned your room yet or taken a bath and are upset that's ok, she'll be along shortly to do it all for you and make you feel better.
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Don't these kids have a hornet nest in a backyard somewhere to go poke with a stick, or a lake to go off to and drown in this summer, or something better to do with their parent's CCs?
Ok. So, the point is "Fly high ENY planes, or you will be thrown in a lake. In a burlap sack. Filled with hornets."
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Ok. So, the point is "Fly high ENY planes, or you will be thrown in a lake. In a burlap sack. Filled with hornets."
Sure, why not. :D
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Where did I tell you or anyone else what you should enjoy flying? All you said was Spits and Hogs, so I was pointing out a couple options. Apparently you're very butt hurt over all this. While I think it's awesome that HT accepts customer input and suggestions it leads to people always wanting it their way. Bad news, this isn't Burger King. They give us the game, it's up to us to make of it what we will within the environment they provide.
I provided the specific planes I enjoy flying. Bad news, all these posts have not changed my selections. This game was created by a player/players and has been tweaked since its beginning in large part by feedback provided in this forum. So it is "up to us to make of it what we will within the environment they provided." A forum that asks for our opinions. My frustration comes when using the tools. Sorry for the short response in the earlier post.
ENY is not needed
Be well
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What's ENY?
Well ENY is where you fly a really slow airplane with 40 other guys in their really slow airplanes to share the kill on that one red iconed plane. :D
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ENY is not needed
Be well
ENY is needed, yourself provided a perfect example of why it's needed. You were experiencing a plane shortage due to being on the side that far out numbered numerically the othersides. As a penalty for being on the side with the numeric advantage, some of the planes normally available were no longer due to the ENY.
There is nothing wrong with the game, the problem stems from people that feel the need to fly with the numerical advantaged side. This feeling probably comes from the fact that they can't survive outside the hord and therefore are reluctant to switch to the lower numbered side and be free of the ENY restrictions. Yeah, the problem is definitely not the game.
ack-ack
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ENY is needed, yourself provided a perfect example of why it's needed. You were experiencing a plane shortage due to being on the side that far out numbered numerically the othersides. As a penalty for being on the side with the numeric advantage, some of the planes normally available were no longer due to the ENY.
There is nothing wrong with the game, the problem stems from people that feel the need to fly with the numerical advantaged side. This feeling probably comes from the fact that they can't survive outside the hord and therefore are reluctant to switch to the lower numbered side and be free of the ENY restrictions. Yeah, the problem is definitely not the game.
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No, the problem is your broad brush painting and neglect of my entire post. I said it is hard to switch sides, move arenas, dodge caps, and eny for an entire group you wish to fly with. I never said "the game" was wrong. It is right in so many ways. I do feel ENY is not needed.
Watch an arena tonight and see the imbalances that occur prior to when eny really kicks in. If "balance was really the goal, they could limit the number of each side that can enter the same grid. And a 10 spit V vs 1 spit XVI still equals death given equal pilot experience. After all, it isn't the plane that makes the fight, right? It is the pilot as everyone says. Can't argue it both ways.
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After all, it isn't the plane that makes the fight, right? It is the pilot as everyone says.
That's the first right thing you have said here...follow the advice and when ENY kicks in against you, there won't be a problem.
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No, the problem is your broad brush painting and neglect of my entire post. I said it is hard to switch sides, move arenas, dodge caps, and eny for an entire group you wish to fly with. I never said "the game" was wrong. It is right in so many ways. I do feel ENY is not needed.
Watch an arena tonight and see the imbalances that occur prior to when eny really kicks in. If "balance was really the goal, they could limit the number of each side that can enter the same grid. And a 10 spit V vs 1 spit XVI still equals death given equal pilot experience. After all, it isn't the plane that makes the fight, right? It is the pilot as everyone says. Can't argue it both ways.
Ahh what a life we live where it is considered hard to click 2 times on a computer screen.
The real different ENY makes is very simple.
Before ENY the country that was out numbered complained but theyreally had no choice to do anything about the balance. The only thing they could do is make the balance worse.
Now the people who complain can very simply do some something to fix the balance.
And Money careful what you wish for, if I remove the ENY limiting system, you will have no choice but to not fly or fly for the low numbered country. You have the option now to fly for the other country or fly different planes, so you really want me to take one of those options away?
HiTech
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Sorry I was not specific F4U-1D and Spit IX.
But thanks for telling me and others what we should enjoy flying.
Umm f4u-1d is the worse f4u for dogfighting... :D
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Ahh what a life we live where it is considered hard to click 2 times on a computer screen.
The real different ENY makes is very simple.
Before ENY the country that was out numbered complained but theyreally had no choice to do anything about the balance. The only thing they could do is make the balance worse.
Now the people who complain can very simply do some something to fix the balance.
And Money careful what you wish for, if I remove the ENY limiting system, you will have no choice but to not fly or fly for the low numbered country. You have the option now to fly for the other country or fly different planes, so you really want me to take one of those options away?
HiTech
What does ENY stand for Hitech?
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That's the first right thing you have said here...follow the advice and when ENY kicks in against you, there won't be a problem.
Thank you for approving of my post. Why condesend? Helpful much? Me thinks not.
you missed my point. 10 good pilots in anything does nothing to even things out.
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And Money careful what you wish for, if I remove the ENY limiting system, you will have no choice but to not fly or fly for the low numbered country. You have the option now to fly for the other country or fly different planes, so you really want me to take one of those options away?
HiTech
Confused, how does no eny force me to fly a high or low numbered country? Isn't eny the factor that limits the plane type you can fly?
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Thank you for approving of my post. Why condesend? Helpful much? Me thinks not.
you missed my point. 10 good pilots in anything does nothing to even things out.
Nor does insisting on flying for the side with the high numbers....
ack-ack
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Confused, how does no eny force me to fly a high or low numbered country? Isn't eny the factor that limits the plane type you can fly?
Hitech was giving you a hint... either fly and put up with ENY, or he can 'coad' it so you can't fly at all unless it is for the lowest team if ENY penalties are activated.
ENY only does one thing, it forces us to be mindful of the numbers of each side, all because we can't/won't police ourselves.
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Money thats only true to a point.
Remember, the incentive is to get people to change sides, eny helps accomplish that by not letting them fly their fav ride when they have a big numbers advantage.
The only thing that I can see that would help more, is if we got perked ords, and tied that to ENY also.
So for the sake of discussion say 1k bombs on fighters would be perked (low) But when ENY kicks in 500lb bombs would be perked also, or not available at all. Or, 1k bombs wouldn't be available, and 500's would be perked. If the ENY got bad enough 250lbers would not be available, or be perked. Eventually the high numbered side would be down to trying to capture fields with 100lb bombs.
While over the the low numbered side 1k bombs would be free.
Meantime everyone can still fly, but the side that outnumbers the other is not going to gain a lot of territory.
The other option is as HT stated, where AH does the balancing, and you would not be able to fly with your friends, squadmate's.
What you want is not necessarily what you think you want, not where gameplay is concerned.
Not if you want AH to stay alive and healthy.
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Money thats only true to a point.
Remember, the incentive is to get people to change sides, eny helps accomplish that by not letting them fly their fav ride when they have a big numbers advantage.
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What you want is not necessarily what you think you want, not where gameplay is concerned.
Not if you want AH to stay alive and healthy.
I think the majority deal with eny by simply logging off or heading in here to beat on seals. While you could say, "well then, mission accomplished," I would think the goal is to keep the customers in game. I could be wrong, but I bet everyone in here has done that as a response to eny MANY times. Nor am I saying I like the option HT suggested. I may have to relinquish it is the lesser of two evils.
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It's no use trying to explain this to Money any longer. Some folks just want the game to revolve around them instead of them evolving with the game.
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It's no use trying to explain this to Money any longer. Some folks just want the game to revolve around them instead of them evolving with the game.
Isn't that, in part, the inspiration for HTC?
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Yeah, those paying customers can certainly be annoying, huh? :)
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Yeah, those paying customers can certainly be annoying, huh? :)
Then you should show HiTech and make a statement with your $15.
ack-ack
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I think the majority deal with eny by simply logging off or heading in here to beat on seals.
I think you don't know what you're talking about, as far as how the "majority" deals with ENY.
Or, perhaps you have to deal with ENY so much because you are always with the majority.. ooohhhhhhhhh.. deep! see what i did there?? :D
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Yeah, those paying customers can certainly be annoying, huh? :)
Point proven, if you don't like the explanation then either post a viable alternative or move along.
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Point proven, if you don't like the explanation then either post a viable alternative or move along.
With all do respect, this entire thread is allowing me to understand and "move along." Sorry to have inconvenienced you by using the resource provided to do so.
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Its that part of the inspiration for HTC?
No, not from my point of view. I do my best to adapt to the changes as I like the challenge of it all. I don't expect HTC to change the game because I don't like something. I don't own shares in the company nor I'm I employed by HTC. I simply try to play my best with the tools given to me. Whether it be a P51 or a P40, I have fun in everything I fly. I enjoy the challenge of having to change my tactics depending on what i'm in or up against.
I understand your frustration but believe me when I say that you can have more fun killing a spixteen with a brewster or A6M then the other way around. I for one am happier when I land 3 or 4 kills in a P38 then if I landed 7 or 8 in a P51. And remember, you're not forced to take a plane you're not yet comfortable with into the biggest furball on the map. Find a small dar and look for those 1vs1s, or a nice fat set of buffs.
ENY used to give me fits too but I just don't care about it anymore. There are just so many options in the game to keep me entertained that I don't care what I fly, just as long as I fly. And hell, with the new town layout I want to try those Sherman tank rockets out on some buildings. Been dieing to do that :lol Maybe when the ENY kicks in on me next time I will. :joystick:
HiTech and those guys have given us a game to play and laid out the rules. Everyone has the same stuff to deal with. Sometimes we're the windshield...sometimes the bug. Next week you may be killing the poor twit in the C202 because he can't get a sexy P51 like you. :D
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With all do respect, this entire thread is allowing me to understand and "move along." Sorry to have inconvenienced you by using the resource provided to do so.
Most people learn fairly early on that just because they have a right to be a jerk and can be, does not mean other people have to except there jerkiness and nor is it wise to be one.
But then there are the exceptional few that do not understand that they are not the worlds navel.
HiTech
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I think the majority deal with eny by simply logging off or heading in here to beat on seals. While you could say, "well then, mission accomplished," I would think the goal is to keep the customers in game. I could be wrong, but I bet everyone in here has done that as a response to eny MANY times. Nor am I saying I like the option HT suggested. I may have to relinquish it is the lesser of two evils.
I've never logged due to eny. I switch sides or fly a higher eny plane if the fights too good to leave. Not to mention you could switch arenas if country loyalty is important to you.
Heck, the first time I saw eny I was excited. I thought it was interesting to see the friendly's in unusual planes, and to give me a reason to fly one of he many other planes. It didn't even occur to me that others disliked it till I saw a thread like this on the forums.
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I understand your frustration
Well then, I wish you would explain it to me. We have all these airplanes to choose from, I really just don't grasp why a person would insist on flying only one or two of them, or not flying at all.
I'm not making a dig at Money, he's really just a spokesman for a lot of like-minded people. I simply can't understand it, is all.
- oldman
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Well I think we've all been there at one time or the other. The first couple of years in this game can be the most frustrating. It certainly was for me. But after that, one starts to understand how ACMs work and what to do in certain situations against certain planes and ENY becomes a afterthought and no longer a issue.
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Perhaps HiTech should look over the eny value of each AC. There are some that really needs to be change.
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Here's another reason why ENY is a good thing...
I spend lots of time in Early War, some time in Mid War, and starting to spend some in Late War. After my first 6-8 months in-game, and flying the Hurri 2c almost all the time, I was getting very bored at how quick and easy it was to kill people. I'll tell you, something; I was real close to quitting altogether because it was so boring flying the uber plane that could blow anything apart just by looking at it. Every now and then, ENY forced me to jump in something else, like the A6M2, F4f, etc. and I was the suxxor because it forced me to try to fly smarter and it took more effort to kill someone - many times they'd reverse on me and kill me instead. But I was having more fun.
After trying various "sucky" planes, I found the Hurri Mk1. It was the breath of fresh air that sparked my interest again. After a couple of weeks I got used to the carb and was able to fight without killing the engine. After a couple of months I found many things that the plane could do that surprised people. I even started to see others upping the Mk1; perhaps to see why they kept getting shot down.
Without ENY forcing me to fly "lesser" planes, I would never have tried the Mk1 and probably would have quit after a year or so. To me, it's all about the fight - win, lose or draw.
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Perhaps HiTech should look over the eny value of each AC. There are some that really needs to be change.
Some have changed already. The Hurri 2c in EW went from 10 to 5 :aok. I personally think it should be perked too. :t
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Most people learn fairly early on that just because they have a right to be a jerk and can be, does not mean other people have to except there jerkiness and nor is it wise to be one.
But then there are the exceptional few that do not understand that they are not the worlds navel.
HiTech
I did not completely understand that one, but it does not mean I didn't laugh my bellybutton off when I read it.
As for the ENY complaints? I still do not get it.
As a member of JG11 I only fly German planes (occasionally a Macchi).
The German plane set runs the entire gamut from low to high ENY planes.
I have, and only on a few occasions, not been able to field SOME form of aircraft to a fight without needing to switch sides.
It's amazing what you and a wingman can do with a pair of Emils :rock
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Some have changed already. The Hurri 2c in EW went from 10 to 5 :aok. I personally think it should be perked too. :t
That is good, not sure what needs it in the mid war but the late there are a lot that needs it.
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I don't get it!!. These guys intent on flying for a just 1 country are usually the ones that have problems when ENY kicks in.
FSO, DA arena, WW1 arena; Do you really care if you are nit, bish or rook? why should the MA be any different? Typical answers are:
"I like flying with guys that I know". Its the same on all countries. All 3 have the same type of camaraderie, and when given a chance to know everyone, you'll soon figure out that guy thats notorious for shooting you down that you developed a hatred for is really a nice guy when you are both green.
"My squaddies like flying for the XXX"- Its much easier to get your guys to switch countries than it is to switch arenas, especially during caps. Plus if ENY kicks in, you can quickly look at the map and see if there is action on the other 2 countries front's.
My utmost favorite time to play is when a map is about to be reset by a country and their ENY maxes out at 29. You switch to the lowest # side when while they are scrambling to get 25 free perks and win the war, you can easily surpass those perks by getting just a couple kills in a mediocre AC on the low #s side.
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I think the majority deal with eny by simply logging off or heading in here to beat on seals. While you could say, "well then, mission accomplished," I would think the goal is to keep the customers in game. I could be wrong, but I bet everyone in here has done that as a response to eny MANY times. Nor am I saying I like the option HT suggested. I may have to relinquish it is the lesser of two evils.
You would be very wrong ... I have never logged because of ENY restrictions. There are way to many planes available to fly when ENY kicks in.
The game is not limiting you ... you are limiting yourself ... if you can't adjust and it causes you to log off ... then ENY is working.
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they could limit the number of each side that can enter the same grid
I hope you are joking -what would they do, program it so that aircraft would bounce off the "boundary line" as they tried to enter the grid?
I like ENY in general - what I would like even more is if there were a workable system that would localize it. At times, while the players numbers are generally even, what you have is two hordes, each flying against a handful of defenders. Ideally, it would be nice if the players in your general area determined ENY, as that would break up the hording faster than anything else. But I've spent a considerable amount of time thinking through the design, and every thing I could think of breaks some even more important aspect of gameplay. This is the most common reason I change arenas if you want to know the truth - I dislike being on either side of "The Hammer". The other reason I change arena's is that there are just some maps I don't enjoy flying on.
One aspect of squadron play as it pertains to ENY is that it's sets up what's essentially a paradox. If you have a squadron that flies religiously for a single chess piece, then the simple "just change sides" is a contradiction - they can't because they never do.
But when I did fly for squadron that was open to switching around to even things out, what invariably happened is that much of the time we discuss switching, but couldn't - one or more guys had switched when they came on in order to fly for the side we were flying for when they joined the game, and they couldn't switch, so none of us did. So while we as a squadron were open to the idea conceptually, in practice, it was generally a no go, too. Perhaps that could be alleviated if the side switch penalty were adjusted by the imbalance, such that it's relaxed if the player is switching to the side with significantly less players?
Again, not complaining, things generally work, but if they worked better, I wouldn't complain.
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I think the majority deal with eny by simply logging off or heading in here to beat on seals. While you could say, "well then, mission accomplished," I would think the goal is to keep the customers in game. I could be wrong, but I bet everyone in here has done that as a response to eny MANY times. Nor am I saying I like the option HT suggested. I may have to relinquish it is the lesser of two evils.
Many change sides.
I don't change sides because of ENY though, I change because I see one side with low numbers. Rarely does eny affect the 38s. It helps keep the game healthy and you meet lots of folks on all sides.
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I hope you are joking -what would they do, program it so that aircraft would bounce off the "boundary line" as they tried to enter the grid?
I like ENY in general - what I would like even more is if there were a workable system that would localize it. At times, while the players numbers are generally even, what you have is two hordes, each flying against a handful of defenders. Ideally, it would be nice if the players in your general area determined ENY, as that would break up the hording faster than anything else. But I've spent a considerable amount of time thinking through the design, and every thing I could think of breaks some even more important aspect of gameplay. This is the most common reason I change arenas if you want to know the truth - I dislike being on either side of "The Hammer". The other reason I change arena's is that there are just some maps I don't enjoy flying on.
One aspect of squadron play as it pertains to ENY is that it's sets up what's essentially a paradox. If you have a squadron that flies religiously for a single chess piece, then the simple "just change sides" is a contradiction - they can't because they never do.
But when I did fly for squadron that was open to switching around to even things out, what invariably happened is that much of the time we discuss switching, but couldn't - one or more guys had switched when they came on in order to fly for the side we were flying for when they joined the game, and they couldn't switch, so none of us did. So while we as a squadron were open to the idea conceptually, in practice, it was generally a no go, too. Perhaps that could be alleviated if the side switch penalty were adjusted by the imbalance, such that it's relaxed if the player is switching to the side with significantly less players?
Again, not complaining, things generally work, but if they worked better, I wouldn't complain.
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....and so by making the above decision the other is made for you.... ENY restrictions. My squad can and will switch sides, but we almost never do, we just use whats available and have fun together..... that IS the reason these guy won't switch right? Have fun TOGETHER? :D
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If you have a squadron that flies religiously for a single chess piece, then the simple "just change sides" is a contradiction - they can't because they never do.
....and so by making the above decision the other is made for you.... ENY restrictions. My squad can and will switch sides, but we almost never do, we just use whats available and have fun together..... that IS the reason these guy won't switch right? Have fun TOGETHER? :D
Exactly. They've made a decision - but then (some of them, as the OP shows) want changes to accommodate their inflexibility.
The point though that I was making was that even a squadron that is willing to change sides for balance can run into trouble, caused by their very flexibility - on average, 2 of 3 squadmates that sign on end up changing sides as soon as they sign on, and then the whole squadron is "stuck" for the period, unless they are willing to leave someone behind.
We solved it by flying whatever was available, and having fun anyway - but I wanted to point out that the "just change sides" solution can present problems for a squadron for other reasons than just "chess piece loyalty".
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But when I did fly for squadron that was open to switching around to even things out, what invariably happened is that much of the time we discuss switching, but couldn't - one or more guys had switched when they came on in order to fly for the side we were flying for when they joined the game, and they couldn't switch, so none of us did. So while we as a squadron were open to the idea conceptually, in practice, it was generally a no go, too.
This happens to my squad, and we switch sides all the time. We just tune to squad channel and can talk across countries just fine. We chat and BS and have just as much fun - because we are online at the same time in the same arena. Sure it's fun to fly on the same side, but I had a blast the other night flying against a squaddie for over an hour. If flying against each other is a "problem", then just find out where they are and don't go there. Eventually, the timer resets and everyone can join up on the low-number side - whichever it turns out to be at that time.
Like I've said before, ENY is not the problem.
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This happens to my squad, and we switch sides all the time. We just tune to squad channel and can talk across countries just fine. We chat and BS and have just as much fun - because we are online at the same time in the same arena. Sure it's fun to fly on the same side, but I had a blast the other night flying against a squaddie for over an hour.
Our squad balances sides as one of its fundamental principles. We're always flying against each other, talking to each other while we do so. It's really quite a lot of fun.
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- oldman
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I hope you are joking -what would they do, program it so that aircraft would bounce off the "boundary line" as they tried to enter the grid?
I was :)