Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Flipperk on July 26, 2010, 03:17:39 PM
-
I saw this wreck minutes after it happened on my way back from school, was going over the El Dorado overpass and saw gridlock traffic on the southbound lane on 45, it was about 12:20 when I saw this. (My class was over at 12:10) The accident happened right before Bay Area Blvd. I didn't see much except for an 18 wheeler and about 8 squad cars with more on the way on the feeder.
About an hour later after having lunch I went over the Bay Area Overpass and saw for about 3 miles not a single car on the southbound lanes on 45. I saw a black small vehicle and the 18 wheeler still on road surrounded by police cars and firetrucks. I called my mom and dad and told them it would be horrible getting home, and to expect alot of traffic. While talking to my mom she got on the Houston Chronicle and said that 2 people died with one injured. Apparently there were three cars but I do not remember seeing the third.
Heres the story:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7125203.html
Drive safe out there gents :salute
-
Have you ever looked up annual traffic fatalities by State? Texas has about 3500 annually while New York and California have about 4000. It comes out to about 42000 annually for the U.S. while flying is less than 200 which is about twice that of lightning strikes.
-
Sorry you had to see that. be safe, drive smart and use all safety equipment as designed.
I could tell you stories but honestly I don't want to.
Take care young man.
-
Traffic sucks, even worse when someone is involved and seriously injured or killed. See them happen on the road infront of me all the time here in LA, surprisingly more often at night when traffic is low and people can cruise at 80, leaving only the dumbest going over 100 and weaving in and out of lanes to pass other cars like it was 2-mph conjestion. They jerk the wheele too quickly going too fast, typicaly on a turn (to further prove their lack of intelligence or understanding of physics) and go into a slide. Most don't recover or don't know how and make it worse, slamming into the concrete median, sound walled shoulder, or if they're lucky go plum straight off the shoulder or into an impact-friendly K-rail in excess of 80mph. I think it was just last month or the one before that here in the LA area we had two fatal accidents one day after the other during mid-rush hour involving motorcycle CHP officers. The worst one was the first, officer giving a ticket on the right shoulder to a SUV when a darwin-award nominee came bareling down the emergency shoulder bypassing traffic with his black sedan in excess of 90mph, needless to say he didn't see or have enough time to stop and avoid sandwitching the CHP bike officer. There isn't a legal means just enough to punish idiots like that. My rule of thumb is that there is not a single reason ot ever be going faster than 70 or 80 (given you have the conditions to slow down in time to be going slower than 60 or 70). Do one decent tour of highway community service and you'll quickly learn to recognize and respect the difference in aftermaths between collisions occuring at 60 (you can probabley still hod up to your weekend plans) or 70 (lucky if you don't stay in the hospital for less than a week) or 80+ mph (pudding).
-
i saw somone get hit by a car while they were on a bicycle very nasty
-
That's bad . I have seen more than my share of stuff like this . I seen one one day where a truck hit this BIG boat in the back while it was being pulled by a small car . It looked like slow motion when the boat went up and on top of that car and crushed it flat . I could not even get to the two people that where in it . Dead on the spot .
-
I've seen quite a bit of damage, injuries and death in traffic collisions. It was my job to investigate them.
Unfortunately lots of folks seem to lose about half of their IQ once they get behind the wheel. They have no clue at all the amount of force they have in their vehicle and that of those around them. Virtually every moving traffic regulation is written in blood because people cannot be counted on to drive safely and sanely on their own. They feel entitled to drive any way then want because they are in a hurry, or it's not important to be careful, or it just fun to drive faster than they should.
:mad:
-
This just in:
Drunk driver accused in causing the accident!!! :mad:
Who the hell is drunk at 12:00PM!?
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7126557.html
-
This happens more often than most realise.
Dec 18 2009 my wife and I hit black ice on the highway and ended up crushed underneath a transport trailer.
20 mins to cut my wife out of the wreck and 45 for myself.
You never know what is coming at you and when your time is up.
-
I saw some guy pop a wheelie on a motorcycle at 70 MPH and then get hit by a gust of wind. He was wearing a t-shirt, blue jeans and a helmet.
He lived, thanks to some quick acting paramedics.
-
This happens more often than most realise.
Dec 18 2009 my wife and I hit black ice on the highway and ended up crushed underneath a transport trailer.
20 mins to cut my wife out of the wreck and 45 for myself.
You never know what is coming at you and when your time is up.
You and your wife are lucky to be alive. I hope there were no lasting injuries.
-
You and your wife are lucky to be alive. I hope there were no lasting injuries.
My wife was on the leeward side of the car so she was fine.
Myself I had a dislocated and seperated shoulder wich will now never be the same.
What saved our lives was the car was a 2004 Crown Vic Police Interceptor, any other car and we would
have been chewed up and spit out. He was doing 100Kmh when we went under his trailer.
http://img186.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=cartruckcrash306.jpg
-
That's bad . I have seen more than my share of stuff like this . I seen one one day where a truck hit this BIG boat in the back while it was being pulled by a small car . It looked like slow motion when the boat went up and on top of that car and crushed it flat . I could not even get to the two people that where in it . Dead on the spot .
Ugh, sorry to hear that man, reminds me of this one accident I had the "pleasure" of helping clean after one day (I thankfully didn't witness it, nor did I need to). It was a U-haul type box trailer being towed by a mid-80s toyota compact hatchback, one of those heftier trailers just one size down from one you'd use to haul around some dirt/race toys. The car was packed with either 3 or 4 people and the trailer was heavily loaded, they were heading down a slight grade early one morning, probably not going faster than 60 or 70 (can't image something that small with that much mass to power ratio getting much faster) with an overcast/fog allowing ~70-100ft visibility. An empty large-trailer dump truck had a brake malfunction at the bottom of the grade and jackknifed ahead of them, blocking the #3 and 4 lane and the right shoulder. The investigating CHP told me the hatchback was boxed in the number 3 lane by a bigrig in the #2 and congestion in the #4 and tried to slam on its brakes to avoid the back of the jackknifed trailer, leaving tire/tread marks for ~80 feet up to the point of collision. The collision pancaked the car and its occupants into a mass of wreckage about as thick from bumper to bumper as a big rig's duelie, no survivors. The dump trailer that they hit near the rear most axles was launched/deflected up and to the left and into the path of the bigrig previously pinning in the hatchback in the #2 lane. Enough force to snap the pin and knock the dump trailer clean off the tractor's hitch and cartwheel it two and a half times and send it rolling almost 200 feet further down the highway (that's what I was there for with the CalTrans crew, to pickup and try to repair/retain all the signage and median/K-rail knocked out by the ricocheting trailer).
-
My wife was on the leeward side of the car so she was fine.
Myself I had a dislocated and seperated shoulder wich will now never be the same.
What saved our lives was the car was a 2004 Crown Vic Police Interceptor, any other car and we would
have been chewed up and spit out. He was doing 100Kmh when we went under his trailer.
http://img186.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=cartruckcrash306.jpg
:O Narly, very lucky outcome for you and the misses in that wreck, a couple of feet this way or that is all it woulda taken. Where'd the tractor/rig go there though, did he d/c and drop the trailer on his own or was that the emergency personel's direction (hit and run maybe even :( )?
I hate black ice with a passion, maybe because it's the worst condition I can think of running into on the roads in combination with how little experience I have with it compared to other hazardous road conditions (high wind, heavy rain, hydroplaning = no problem) and will honestly opt for a 3-4x longer drive time by putting on the chains and taking the plowed roads rather over the plowed highway.
-
:O Narly, very lucky outcome for you and the misses in that wreck, a couple of feet this way or that is all it woulda taken. Where'd the tractor/rig go there though, did he d/c and drop the trailer on his own or was that the emergency personel's direction (hit and run maybe even :( )?
I hate black ice with a passion, maybe because it's the worst condition I can think of running into on the roads in combination with how little experience I have with it compared to other hazardous road conditions (high wind, heavy rain, hydroplaning = no problem) and will honestly opt for a 3-4x longer drive time by putting on the chains and taking the plowed roads rather over the plowed highway.
I was told they had to bring in a rig tow to actually lift the trailer higher to aid in the removal.
You are right about the couple of feet one way or the other though...I was actually able to see the tires turning as we were dragged down the highway.
I used to plow for a living and nothing prpares you for an experience with black ice and a lane change.
-
I saw this comment on the houston chronicle website commenting on the charge that killed the 2 people mentioned in the OP and wanted to QFT:
"The charge of Intoxicated Manslaughter is kind of like saying, "OOPS!" If Petty had chosen a gun instead of a car and walked down the Gulf Freeway occasionally firing the gun and two people had been killed, would the charge still be Intoxicated Manslaughter ? No, it would be murder, possibly capital murder. The choice of weapon should make no difference. The charge should be murder.
I would like to see Intoxicated Manslaughter removed from the books and treat this kind of crime as any other homicide would be treated. It was not an accident; it was a choice, made before he ever took the first drink. He chose not to have a designated driver. He did not arrange for safe transportation. He chose to drink. "
- VetMom
-
Sounds good to me. The easiest way to kill someone and get away with it is to do so with a vehicle. I have to agree with that woman. No one held a gun to the drunk to make them drink. It's not an accident, it was a willful act to drink and drive.
-
No one made the guy drink.
The split comes with the point did he plan to kill those 2 people. Laws are made gray for a reason. Lawyers make the laws to keep lawyers in business.
-
No one made the guy drink.
The split comes with the point did he plan to kill those 2 people. Laws are made gray for a reason. Lawyers make the laws to keep lawyers in business.
Degree of negligence also plays a factor. For example, in the Nick Adenhart tragedy, the drunk driver who rammed Nick's car and killed him and his two friends, was driving with a suspended license due to a prior DUI conviction, driving with three times the legal BAL, and driving two times faster than the posted speed limit. He was charged with three counts of 2nd Degree Murder amongst other charges.