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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: popeye on May 17, 2000, 12:45:00 PM
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From the SimHQ review of new features:
"The first is a combination of the addition of new, powerful, late-war aircraft and the ability to fly them based on a career points tracking system, where pilots build up their points and prestige by scoring kills. Because of concerns that only allowing the best pilots to fly the best planes would throw the gameplay balance of the entire arena off, HiTech is planning on a system that punishes your career badly if you are shot down while flying the late-model aircraft."
Will be very interesting to see how this is implemented. Could be a good alternative to an RPS, but could also create a Runstang mentality for late war planes. I suspect it will be the subject for some (cough) discussion. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
popeye
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Good time to introduce the I-16, bet one could rack some points up with 1 or 2 kills on an unsuspecting late war plane! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Ill wait till I hear it from the horses mouth but sounds bad to me...
What do they mean by "career"
Watch people vulch their buddies.
But...
Ill try anything once....
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<sigh>
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I don't like it. It seems to punish the guy's who just do this for fun. And makes the game a bit more arcade-like. People gripe about a 'Quake"-like atmosphere already, wait untill score really means something in terms of gameplay. But I guess I'll just wait and see. This is still the best game in town (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Greg 'wmutt' Cook
332nd Flying Mongrels
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Oh please say it ain't so (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I've just started enjoying AH more since I stopped worrying about the scores, now I might have a career to worry about. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif) .
My $30 is as good as the next persons and I would object strongly to being told "No you can't fly that one yet co's you ain't good enough". (I know this is not exactly what is being suggested here but sounds like the next logical step)
It would just mean the best would get better. Make more sense to make it harder for the Aces to give the rest of us a chance. (Me in B26, Hitech in Sopwith Camel sounds about right (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ).
Seriously. Leave this one alone (Please)
TTFN
snafu
[This message has been edited by snafu (edited 05-17-2000).]
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Might be a bit early for teeth gnashing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
popeye
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Originally posted by popeye:
Might be a bit early for teeth gnashing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
popeye
Sorry, but I absolutely do NOT see how a system like this will do anything but encourage super-conservative flying. That is, attacking only with numbers, alt, or both. Even when such flying yields bonuses such as better aircraft, the penalty for dying in these aircraft encourages an even GREATER level of conservative flying. This in and of itself tends to defeat the purpose of having such planes in the first place. What's the point of experimenting with their capabilities if doing so means losing them?
Here's to hoping HTC proves me wrong.
-- Todd/DMF
[This message has been edited by Dead Man Flying (edited 05-17-2000).]
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I've always been confused about this "career" stuff. I realize we all fly for our enjoyment...and AH has done a superb job of providing options for all. You can fly a historic plane based on your nationality/preferances and succeed...la-5 and 205 both are worthy opponents and the finnish G-2 can hold it's own as well. You can T&B in the spit5 or fly G-10/190 B&Z...Any system that forces a player to balance his enjoyment vs a predefined formula for "success" will impact his enjoyment of the game...hope we're careful here.
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Sounds fun. I'm all for experimentation. If it really sucks, I'm sure we will let HTC know. But let's try it first. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hmmm, if this goes into effect I might be limited to being a goon jockey! hehee.
But all kidding aside, maybe the career concept would make the future historical arena kinda interesting.
I guess its a little premature to really make any intelligent comments on it right now.
JagdNine
[This message has been edited by NineZ (edited 05-17-2000).]
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If I read it right, it says that you have to have a good/great record in order to fly the late war stuff. But don't you dare lose the late war stuff. Because it'll knock you down so far that have to fight your way back up the rankings with early war stuff before you can fly late war stuff again.
Needless to say, I could be wrong. Wait...I said it. Doh!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Sisu
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Can you imagine the venomous, whiney, bombastic posts from (whomever. fill in the handle) who after working his fingers to the bone to gain access to, say, an F8F, suddenly finds one night he dies horribly in a HO to a newby in a Spit V at 1200 ????
"a system that punishes your career badly if you are shot down while flying the late-model aircraft."
I smell ________ aneurisms ! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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That can't be right. What about bombers? What about squads providing escorts on a mission? Don't tell me that members of a squad with fewer "career points" or whatever will not be able to join in on the mission because they don't have enough points to fly the assigned aircraft? Naaaa. Something got lost in the sauce here.... I hope.
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332nd Flying Mongrels
[This message has been edited by Gunthr (edited 05-17-2000).]
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I'm not sure how to read this. Sentence #1 makes it sound like you have to rack up points to fly the Uber stuff. Sentence #2 makes it sound like you can fly all the Uber stuff you want, but you'll be busted to sargeant if you get kilt in one. So only scorepotatos are effected. Personally, I would prefer #1, but I ain't no scorepotato so I could live with #2 as a buck private forever.
ra
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well there goes the neighboorhood, and me along with it if this comes to pass. As it is I try to fly to live, but most of the biscuits and rocks dinnae agree with me on that point. And I'll be awfully pissed if I loose me 38L because of some nonsense like this.
And this will also create hunts for the late war stuff. I can see groups of pilots loading up with the best they fly and only engaging late war aircraft just to take them away from someone. I think it would pretty much shred the community as we know it.
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CavemanJ
CO, The Wrecking Crew
"Airpower is a thunderbolt launched from an egg shell invisibly tethered to a base."
--Hoffman Nickerson
To close with and destroy the enemy by use of fire, manuever, and shock effect
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I get a feeling of deja-vu :
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/000356.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/000356.html)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/000445.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/000445.html)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/000415.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/000415.html)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/000429.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/000429.html)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/000451.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/000451.html)
punt up the ones you think are intresting....or not.
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I just wanna have fun don't care what's what.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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fun = flyin a f4uc and killing 14 people trying to defend a base while you will leave this defense stuff to " lower " players. so as to make shure you score dosent suffer , as is you right...
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Dead Man Flying.
You assume conservative flying will get you points. We have never stated such a thing. Only that when you fly a supper plane if you wish to keep it you would fly that plane conservatively.
We havn't finalized what will be used to determin carreer points. But just to prove a point that the points don't need to make conservitive flying here are some ways to do that.
1. base the points on field captures.
2. Base the point's on simply your total number of kills.
3. Base the points on hit percentage.
4. Base the points on kills of lesser flown v more flown planes.
5. Award points to everone online in the country when a war reset happens.
The above item's are for arguments sake only. We still have to finalize our ideas on what we give a player carrer points. We just look at both sides of supper planes once they have been won. It seems to us that if you are flying your shinie new supper plane you will definatly NOT want to loose it.
If you are flying a none supper plane and see one it would be great fun chacing one and spoiling the gents day by killing him.
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For Bribes (http://www.internetwines.com/pa95154.html)
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I hope when we talk about 'super planes' we're not talking about Do-335's, HortenIX's, F8F's, F7F's, the whole SWOTL fleet. We're talking about 190D-9's, P47N's, Me-262's, right? Planes that actually saw combat?
ra
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HT none of the planes we have now seem all that superior to the others. Now if you were to build a KI84, that would be worth hanging on to (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Base the points on kills of lesser flown v more flown planes.
This one gets a vote from me,it would encourage more diversity in the arena.
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Originally posted by hitech:
Dead Man Flying.
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1. base the points on field captures.
This would be an interesting formula. I can imagine folks flying around in Gooneys all day looking for something to capture. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) OTOH, it somehow seems out of sync with the reward. Late war uberplanes for flying a Gooney? Well, maybe.
2. Base the point's on simply your total number of kills.
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I absolutely disagree with this formula. It only rewards those who fly the most, not those who fly with the most amount of skill.
3. Base the points on hit percentage.
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Also an iffy proposition. Vulching substantially increases hit percentage. I learned this first hand last tour, when after vulching one field for 15 minutes my hit percentage increased by 3-4% (from about 9% to 13%). It certainly may be a measure of skill, but it's also subject to some "gaming."
4. Base the points on kills of lesser flown v more flown planes.
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This I like. It still favors those who fly conservatively regardless of the plane they fly, but it encourages them to do so in less popular planes. That alone could be an equalizer.
5. Award points to everone online in the country when a war reset happens.
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This tends to favor those countries with superior numbers. Add onto that the fact that they'll all be flying around in uberplanes, and the problem exacerbates itself. I much prefer the alternative suggested above and by Pyro in the new announcement. In fact, I quite like the idea of a "bonus" based on which plane is killing what. Clever idea. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Keep up the good work!
-- Todd/DMF
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If you award a total number of bonus points for a reset, and distribute it amongst the team members, then that is an incentive to be on the smaller team, since each pilot would get more points.
I'd like to see points based on ALL those criteria, except for hit percentage. I don't know of any airforce that valued bullets and shells so much it would reward pilots for killing with less of them.
[This message has been edited by Nashwan (edited 05-17-2000).]
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You could use a system like the following:
You get 1 point for every 10 minutes you fly online, plus 1 point for every kill you land, plus 1 pt for every <insert bombing goal here> you land. Anything you do while in a super-plane does not acrue points. You get extra points if you shoot down a super-plane with a normal plane. You should be able to save up points indefinitely so that you can fly the super-plane for a few days in a row if you are willing to bank the points for that long.
You can trade 500 points for one sortie in a super-plane. If you survive your sortie in the super-plane and land a kill with it, you get one more sortie (but not unlimited sorties until you die).
What is this system supposed to do.
1) Everybody get to fly super-planes some of the time.
2) You can earn flights in them (land kills or whatever).
3) You're time in super-planes is definitely limited (no more than 2 sorties per 500 pts).
4) Ensure that super-planes are rare.
What it is supposed to prevent.
1) Really good pilots flying super-planes frequently.
Maybe you guys should choose a target ratio of super-planes in the arena (1 in 100 for example) and tailor the criteria so that the appearance of such planes is appropriately rare.
Hooligan
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Nash,
I see it the other way. If points are given for a reset, what's to stop people from changing sides when it looks like one team is about to win? Better to get a few points than none at all (is what the dweebs changing sides will say).
I like the idea of points based on how much damage you've done to the enemy: base captures, kills, mud moving, ships sunk, etc. Each plane would be worth a certain # of points, and the planes you lose will be subtracted out of the planes/tanks/ships etc. you kill. Some people could end up with a negative score.
I like the way this is going now. Maybe I'll start agigtating for a F4F-4 instead of a P-47. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
ra
Hool,
I gotta disagree about being given points for flying time, I see no reason for it. Buffs take a long time to get to target, but if a hangar is given a lot of points, it could be worth the trip.
[This message has been edited by ra (edited 05-17-2000).]
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"If you are flying a non-super plane and see one it would be great fun chasing one and spoiling the gents day bykilling him."
Hey! That's just what I said!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-Westy
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If ya realy want to light the BBQ well this is a good way to do it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I mean guys who's going to say which planes are uber and which are not?? I mean spitIX isn't uber cause it hasn't got the speed to bug out. 109G10 isn't uber cause it has terrible compression problems and small guns, pony and p38 aren't uber cause they accelerate very slow and climb slow, C-hog isn't uber mmm let me rephrase that... only his guns are uber (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) (joking). See what I mean?
Bee out
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ra:
The point of the time thing is to allow the utmost dweebs an occasional ride in a super-plane. The following is an exageration to make a point: It would be a pity to see a system where drex and garn were in Me262s and beginners were in Hurricane Is. However the reverse situation would be rather amusing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Hooligan
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JENG: Please don't open that can of worms until we have collected enough worms (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hool: I think only the very Uber-est of the Uber planes will have to be earned. Uber-uber planes should be available in other non-scoring arenas if newbies really want to give em a try. When they're done they can go back to their Spifires. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
ra
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This is definitely in the "be careful what you ask for...you may get it" category.
We all want this game to grow, right? Lots of players, HTC successful, more and better stuff?
If you're the new greenhorn guy, what's this system going to do to you for the free two week period?
Will you sign up if all you got to fly were the "dogs"?
There's a ways to go before this debuts. I'm interested in trying it and in seeing how it will be implemented. It could cut both ways, however.
Just a thought.
[This message has been edited by Toad (edited 05-17-2000).]
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For you "quakers" that thinks this is a bad idea.. go fly offline then. There is no reason why we can't have more in-depth gameplay - with a reason to get experience and hence do well. It's a lot closer to the real wwII experience and as other "experience" based games have shown.. a heck of a lot of fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Perhaps we could be given points every week. We can then add to them by capturing a field, shooting down a plane (as per above), landing your plane after a kill, etc. Then we could use those points to "buy" sorties in the special planes. If you land them, you don't lose those points. If you ditch, you lose 1/2 the points. Bail = 3/4. Die = all points you spent to fly the plane are lost.
Whatever you do, you can't punish people who don't have time to fly as much as others, or completely prevent newbies from flying the special stuff. AH wouldn't last too long if you did that. IMO the best method is to give everyone enough points to allow them to be able to fly the better planes. If they are sucessful, they can earn the right to continue to fly them.
I'm sure there is some way to do this...
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THUNDERBIRDS
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Originally posted by HaHa:
For you "quakers" that thinks this is a bad idea.. go fly offline then. There is no reason why we can't have more in-depth gameplay - with a reason to get experience and hence do well. It's a lot closer to the real wwII experience and as other "experience" based games have shown.. a heck of a lot of fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
So if, in WW2, you managed to shoot down really good German planes in less-capable Allied planes, you were rewarded with a few flights in a P-80?
Until, of course, you were shot down in one, after which you were demoted back to your previous ride. That's realistic. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
It's an interesting rewards system, but let's not confuse it or the flying styles it promotes with realism.
-- Todd/DMF
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said in the article the current planes are the ones that are not limited AT ALL! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
only the Ta152, Spit XIV, Me262,F4u4,La7,B-29,Tempest, Ki84,Me163,P-47N,yak3,Arado Ar234,C54(able to drop 50troops!!!!) would be the onese that must be earned.
frankly I see it as the best method for controlling the amount of these planes seen in AH, it should have different amounts of dificulty to obtain each aircraft for sure.
man a b29 and c54 would rock (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) and they are definitely planes that should be earned not handed out at certain time intervals.
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Why on EARTH would the La-7 or Yak-3 be limited?
Thats just insane, those planes are hardly "uber". Or at least no more than your standard G-10 or P51d they were contemporaries of.
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They should make the Me-163 the first Uber plane. Would clear any rather large egos on landing rather quickly if they didn't land it just right,
...jostle...jostle..bump...::::KABOOOOOMMMM!!!::::
Back to non-uber planes...hehe
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[This message has been edited by Sundog (edited 05-17-2000).]
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying:
So if, in WW2, you managed to shoot down really good German planes in less-capable Allied planes, you were rewarded with a few flights in a P-80?
Until, of course, you were shot down in one, after which you were demoted back to your previous ride. That's realistic. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
It's an interesting rewards system, but let's not confuse it or the flying styles it promotes with realism.
-- Todd/DMF
No actually.. in real life you were dead which was punishment enough. IF you lived and you seemed to continously destroy the best planes you would definitely be demoted.
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Well folks, Just reading this thread popped a vein in my brain (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Go for it!
Yeager
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"4. Base the points on kills of lesser flown v more flown planes." -Hitech
"This I like. It still favors those who fly conservatively regardless of the plane they fly, but it encourages them to do so in less popular planes. That alone could be an equalizer." -DMF
Lol DMF.. that *would* be the one option you favour (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Btw, ra, Nashwan and I are two different people.
Wtf though... I'm all for giving this uber plane system a whirl. Might be cool. If it's as bad as some of you suspect, I'm sure it'll get the axe. 'Till we know fer sure - why don't we just wait and see?
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Originally posted by HaHa:
No actually.. in real life you were dead which was punishment enough. IF you lived and you seemed to continously destroy the best planes you would definitely be demoted.
And of course, once your slumped ended and you killed enough enemy uberplanes, you'd be promoted BACK into the P-80 again, until such time as you lost it and were immediately demoted. Repeat ad infinitum.
-- Todd/DMF
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I'm ready to give it a chance. Also pretty sure HTC will remove this feature is it proves to be unpopular, and then we have new SEA features coming along very nicely.
Imagine two 262's coming at hi speed towards a group of enemy buffs, opening up with those mean 30mm's.
BOOOM (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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StSanta
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As I read it now, I think is a very bad idea. So far though HTC has a great track record of improving both the gameplay and game mechanics of my favorite pastime.
While I don't like what I see in this, I feel it is still some ways off, and I am willing to wait before I start soaking torches in pitch in preperation for the angry mob storming the castle scene. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
...Of course a lot will depend on how good I can get by 1.04 comes out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Guess I'll have to hit the training arena, and quit my job so I can fly 16+hrs a day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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332nd Flying Mongrels (http://www.ropescourse.org/flying.htm)
"When in doubt, put a few more rounds into it."
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OK here is my 2 cents on this, why not start the camp with like 5000 pts and set a point value on each and EVERY plane and instead of getting awards for kills etc etc you just lose that many points if your a/c goes down, ditches in enemy territory, etc. When your point value is down to zero you only get the cheapest rides until next camp. This way everyone gets to fly new planes but if ya lose one big point deduct, so in the long run you could be down to el cheapo's by end of the first week or at the very least not have enough points for the "uber" planes. At least with this system no one is penalized from flying the new iron until they lose it themselves.
BigJim
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heheeee, me thinks me will be flyn ground vehicles (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Always wanted to be ship driver though, got any ships out there for me to drive (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)/
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I like this New idea is really good instead of Rolling Plane set like WB.
However be better to start under new scoring system & regulation.
1)Pilot does not allowed to move country under same tour.
# In order to avoid just chasing score.
Game balance will be mess without it
2)Score for New Plane gaining must be counted under Streak.
# Only the pilot who has right staff can fly high performance aircraft right? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
This score should be zero start after killed & captured. (just Landing, safe bailout & ditch)
This game title is "ACES HIGH"
so Only Ace Pilot survived can fly high performance aircraft.
This is very fair and not refract bad efficiency for game balance.
All pilots will have motivation to be a real ACE and can fly under genteleman's agreement. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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How about handle based system. If your handle is TANK, you get to fly Ta 152 no matter of your score. If you use WILLY handle, you get 262 all the time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
OK, serious now.
IMO, 2 or more planes can't be flown to their fullest by the same pilot (unless they are very close subversions).
For example, a 109 pilot who finally gets his hand on a 262 will probably do pretty poor in the beginning. There will be no chance to learn the plane. TA arena is a poor substitute here, IMO.
What I want to say here ?
Basically, if I'd get a 262 from time to time (once a week or so), I won't fly it at all. It just wouldn't be worth to put that much practice in a plane I get to fly so rarely.
Then again, YMMV (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Change is good.
Bring it on HTC.
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Originally posted by ra:
Nash,
I see it the other way. If points are given for a reset, what's to stop people from changing sides when it looks like one team is about to win? Better to get a few points than none at all (is what the dweebs changing sides will say).
ra
Don't you have to wait 12 hours before changing country? I can't see anyone being able to predict a reset 12 hours in advandce.
Nash, sorry about the name clash. I've had this handle online a long time now, and never found anyone with anything similar.
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TORCHES!!!! TORCHES !!!!! we need more TORCHES !!!!
Rock throwers to the middle, and women and children to the flanks !!
CHARGE ! <storms the HTC Castle>
hehe I agree Wmutt (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Lets wait and see how it works before we get all bent out of shape over it.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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HTC knows what they're doing guys. Count me in...
Here's my order,
On my supper plane I would like filet mignon-medium well, baked potato-no sour cream, some texas toast, green beans, corn on the cob, sweet tea to drink, hmmm, haven't decided on desert yet.
Can't wait to start this new plan, mouth is already watering. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I'm willing to give it a good try out before I give an opinion on it.
That being said, all I ask is that it is not biased to people who fly more than others. My life is very busy, and I usually get to fly only twice or three times per week. I'd love to fly for five hours each night, but my life doesn't allow for that anymore.
HTC, please don't punish those of us that have lives outside of AH!
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"Turning Knight & Bishop sheep into lamb chops since 1999"
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Originally posted by Nashwan:
If you award a total number of bonus points for a reset, and distribute it amongst the team members, then that is an incentive to be on the smaller team, since each pilot would get more points.
I'd like to see points based on ALL those criteria, except for hit percentage. I don't know of any airforce that valued bullets and shells so much it would reward pilots for killing with less of them.
[This message has been edited by Nashwan (edited 05-17-2000).]
I dont know. Pilots really respected marksmanship amongst their fellows. And it might help cut down on longer range shooting.
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Originally posted by Zeiram:
This game title is "ACES HIGH"
so Only Ace Pilot survived can fly high performance aircraft.
This is very fair and not refract bad efficiency for game balance.
All pilots will have motivation to be a real ACE and can fly under genteleman's agreement. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
So the newbies who pay the same $30/month (even some of us not so newbies) are kept out of the uber birds because we suck? Our money not good enough? For the first time in AH history my K/D is better than 1/1 (not much, but it's been there the whole tour (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ). So, because I'm a mediocre pilot at best I'm stuck with the 'mundane' rides and can't have a crack at the uber ones? Can you say "CANCEL ACCOUNT"? I knew ya could. I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay the same money but not be able to fly the same birds others are flying. And if I've misunderstood what you're saying, I apologize and ask you to clarify your statement.
As for a "gentlemen's agreement" keep dreaming. No such thing in the MA and I dinnae think there ever will be. Especially with the uber rides depending on score. What are you going to do if you see a smoking F8F trying to limp home and save his aircraft? Are you going to let him go? Hell no, you're gonna dive in to finish him off and hope you're the one getting full credit for the kill so you can get the points and pick up an uber ride.
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Originally posted by Zeiram:
I like this New idea is really good instead of Rolling Plane set like WB.
However be better to start under new scoring system & regulation.
1)Pilot does not allowed to move country under same tour.
# In order to avoid just chasing score.
Game balance will be mess without it
2)Score for New Plane gaining must be counted under Streak.
# Only the pilot who has right staff can fly high performance aircraft right? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
This score should be zero start after killed & captured. (just Landing, safe bailout & ditch)
This game title is "ACES HIGH"
so Only Ace Pilot survived can fly high performance aircraft.
This is very fair and not refract bad efficiency for game balance.
All pilots will have motivation to be a real ACE and can fly under genteleman's agreement. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Well I disagree with all of that.
A far eastern player trying to discourage people from changing coutries. Only aces got good planes. You are stating that like a historical fact or something...Of course it is not true.
HTC uses the score system know in place to encorage a balanced game play. It works well for that. It sounds like they want to encourage team play in the new version. Lots of those stats they mentioned will only be accomplished by regulare schwarm flying.
They could set the bar so high that no one here would qualify...that would be cool..keep refining stratagy and team work till when someone finaly does get awarded the F8F we all just want to watch him put on an air show for us...
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How about the same as the TV show "Who's line is it anyways" points are awarded but mean nothing!
Plus how are they goning factor in jabo runs, do we get extra points for flying hvy fighters.The issue is to complex for just 1 formula
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Originally posted by hitech:
Dead Man Flying.
1. base the points on field captures.
2. Base the point's on simply your total number of kills.
3. Base the points on hit percentage.
4. Base the points on kills of lesser flown v more flown planes.
5. Award points to everone online in the country when a war reset happens.
Just a note.
Not a single Defensive benchmark
There are allready squads here that dont defend anything. Certainly it as important to hold your last 3 fields as it is to take someones last 3 fields..
hard on your kill to death score though so the people that do that arnt "Aces" in some peoples minds.
Find a way to establish who is being gang banged and award them constant points for defence.
Big points for shooting down a goon. Or troops.
Point muliplier for kills when your DAR is down...
Big point cost for changeing teams.(dont know about this but will probably be neccassary)
Carreer only bonus of any flight that lands with a kill or assist or damage to the enemy. Not more points for any landed kill but a bonus if the landed flight had any successful combat.
We should make the Wingman command have more weight. Wingman should have to be accepted like the gunner is.
A wingman should get some points for every thing his wingy does. 1/4 points for AC killed and damaged. Some kind of Wingman landed bonus...
In general though I think you should put some defencive incentives in there.
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Originally posted by bloom25:
Perhaps we could be given points every week. We can then add to them by capturing a field, shooting down a plane (as per above), landing your plane after a kill, etc. Then we could use those points to "buy" sorties in the special planes. If you land them, you don't lose those points. If you ditch, you lose 1/2 the points. Bail = 3/4. Die = all points you spent to fly the plane are lost.
Whatever you do, you can't punish people who don't have time to fly as much as others, or completely prevent newbies from flying the special stuff. AH wouldn't last too long if you did that. IMO the best method is to give everyone enough points to allow them to be able to fly the better planes. If they are sucessful, they can earn the right to continue to fly them.
I'm sure there is some way to do this...
I like that....
I mean if a guy NEVER gets to fly the planes in the MA would be too harsh. Make it so a guy gets at least one uber plane to trash a tour....
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I'll be quite willing to give this idea a try. I'm sure it will be introduced, evolve a while and then either be kept or scrapped. No biggie, as long as AH is still fun.
I've got one question, though. What does this sort of comment add to the discussion or the community?
Originally posted by HaHa:
For you "quakers" that thinks this is a bad idea.. go fly offline then...
Is this another "play it MY way or hit the road" statement? I thought we had just been all through this type of sentiment with the "stick a fork in me" threads!
I'll play until it's not fun. But I'll NEVER claim that "MY way is the ONLY way".
Have a nice day...and can't we all just get along? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I just cannot imagine the pop-up message "You career points are insufficient for you to fly that aircraft" going over very well. I believe veterans and rookies alike will resent getting their butts shot off by
score queens in aircraft they are not allowed to fly themselves. I see the implementation of an 'earn your uber-plane' scheme as extremely bad for moral and business.
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Just some thoughts for the doom-and-gloom group...
I am not an above average pilot, in fact I would consider myself less than average. Yet in any tour I was able to fly, I was able to get into the upper 50 or so, usually a bit higher (training has kept me out of the MA for the past 3 tours). I did it by mixing the mission types- not by seeking the score, but trying all aspects of play.
In order to score, you need to buff, capture fields, fly fighters, etc. If you look at my stats for any tour you'll see I don't even land all that often. I don't like to vultch (lest I be vultched) so my kills are mostly A2A. The most important factor in score is to do everything, at least a little bit. And you know what? This helps keep the game interesting.
Now it appears that an added bonus to trying everything is that you will get to fly some elite rides. I think there is a critical level where it would happen too often or too little, but the basic idea is ok.
Ever see a country hold another country down to two fields in order to "own the map"? Awarding everyone online (for that team) BIG points for a reset will end that.
I like to fly the 202, and have done well in it. That will enable me to gain experience points quickly.
There are some real possibilities here to make everyone happy, if we look at it carefully and give it a chance.
In the end, people cry for change, but the minute change is proposed, people beat their chests, rend their shirts, and throw dust on their heads... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Kieren (edited 05-18-2000).]
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Originally posted by CavemanJ:
So the newbies who pay the same $30/month (even some of us not so newbies) are kept out of the uber birds because we suck? Our money not good enough? For the first time in AH history my K/D is better than 1/1 (not much, but it's been there the whole tour (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ). So, because I'm a mediocre pilot at best I'm stuck with the 'mundane' rides and can't have a crack at the uber ones? Can you say "CANCEL ACCOUNT"? I knew ya could. I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay the same money but not be able to fly the same birds others are flying. And if I've misunderstood what you're saying, I apologize and ask you to clarify your statement.
As for a "gentlemen's agreement" keep dreaming. No such thing in the MA and I dinnae think there ever will be. Especially with the uber rides depending on score. What are you going to do if you see a smoking F8F trying to limp home and save his aircraft? Are you going to let him go? Hell no, you're gonna dive in to finish him off and hope you're the one getting full credit for the kill so you can get the points and pick up an uber ride.
My concerns Caveman. I am happy to give this new thing a go but it seems the best pilots will get better and the learner learner/average pilot will get worse resulting in dissillusion with AH (is a newbie really going to sign up after this?). So imagine the best fight pilots always having the best rides!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
Hmm... anyway, if I ever get the 'uber planes', knowing my luck I'd most likely crash it on take off! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Regards
'Nexx'
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Originally posted by Kieren:
Just some thoughts for the doom-and-gloom group...
In the end, people cry for change, but the minute change is proposed, people beat their chests, rend their shirts, and throw dust on their heads... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Kieren (edited 05-18-2000).]
Everyone stop discussing Kieren has had enough
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I'll take the plane with the rivets popping out, the oil leaks, bad ammo and I'll die over and over in it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew