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Title: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: 1Boner on August 02, 2010, 01:13:25 PM
Is there a chart somewhere that will tell me at what speed you can start dropping flaps on the La7?

And, are there different speeds at which you can use increasing amounts of flaps?


Thanks.
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: MachFly on August 02, 2010, 01:55:00 PM
I recommend  you just go offline and try it out.

Start at ~300 and decelerate while pressing the drop flaps button and note at which speed they drop at.
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: Krusty on August 02, 2010, 10:05:41 PM
I recommend you don't use flaps on an La7. Its sweet spot is well above the point you want to use split flaps. You want to stay faster and you'll out turn most things (150-160, was it?). Saw a superb film of a sortie against a P-38 that illustrated this. The P38 dropped flaps and turned inside the La7 but could never get a shot off because the La7 was doing 175 or so and flying in wider circles completely around the 38 (literally, flying circles around him). If he'd popped flaps he would have been dead, but he knew what he was doing.
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: Ghosth on August 03, 2010, 07:07:20 AM
Have to agree with Krusty, keep it fast, keep the flaps up, use your speed and acceleration.
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: Masherbrum on August 03, 2010, 12:18:51 PM
Have to agree with Krusty, keep it fast, keep the flaps up, use your speed and acceleration.

x100.    :rock
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: 1Boner on August 03, 2010, 01:20:27 PM
Thanks for the advice guys! :salute
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: SlapShot on August 04, 2010, 11:39:27 AM
hmmmm ... I have had many fun and great fights stall fighting the La-7/La-5 ... flaps in/out mixing that with throttle up/down.

It surprises the crap out of most opponents when an La-7/5 will slow down and stall fight due to them thinking that it will be trying to stay fast. Next thing they know they have been reversed and cannon rounds are ripping them apart.

I am not saying that staying fast is not good advice for the La-7 but if you fly it enough, you will learn when you can stall fight and when not to stall fight (and this is not directed to Karaya ... he has many an hour in the La-7)
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: ink on August 09, 2010, 07:08:06 PM
Boner the LA-7 is a great plane that, not only goes insanely fast, but turns incredible, use flaps when you are slow going over the top, use them when you are stall fighting, YES the LA-7 is a great stall fighter,

most think its only capable when going 500 mph, SOOOOOOOO not true, I have whipped many a  Better turning Ac by out turning them. they don't expect that you will turn against a zero or hurri or such like that.

admittedly I don't use flaps that often in the LA, usually when I am trying to rope someone and I am at the top trying to eek out every last bit of climb.
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: Masherbrum on August 10, 2010, 10:38:54 AM
I don't use flaps in the La7, I use only throttle and can easily turn with most of the plane set.   
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: grizz441 on August 10, 2010, 12:24:16 PM
Flaps would be acceptable as long as you are keeping your nose up 'climbing the ladder' so to speak.  I would fly the la7 the same as an opposite torqued k4 if I ever found myself in one.   :noid
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: THRASH99 on August 10, 2010, 06:00:42 PM
Boner the LA-7 is a great plane that, not only goes insanely fast, but turns incredible, use flaps when you are slow going over the top, use them when you are stall fighting, YES the LA-7 is a great stall fighter,

most think its only capable when going 500 mph, SOOOOOOOO not true, I have whipped many a  Better turning Ac by out turning them. they don't expect that you will turn against a zero or hurri or such like that.

admittedly I don't use flaps that often in the LA, usually when I am trying to rope someone and I am at the top trying to eek out every last bit of climb.
Yeah, flaps on the LA will pull out at about 150-175. I would only recommend using flaps in a slow turn fight or in the vertical. LA may be fast on the deck, but it lacks acceleration at about 11K and it can barely perform half as good. There are some planes that can catch the LA on the deck, like the 262, 163, 109-K4, typhoon/tempest, and the P-51D. One piece of advice, if your going 500+, turn very slighty as the wings will tend to rip off if you pull back to hard at that speed.  
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: KgB on August 10, 2010, 10:54:39 PM
Yeah, flaps on the LA will pull out at about 150-175. I would only recommend using flaps in a slow turn fight or in the vertical. LA may be fast on the deck, but it lacks acceleration at about 11K and it can barely perform half as good. There are some planes that can catch the LA on the deck, like the 262, 163, 109-K4, typhoon/tempest, and the P-51D. One piece of advice, if your going 500+, turn very slighty as the wings will tend to rip off if you pull back to hard at that speed.  
You new?
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: grizz441 on August 10, 2010, 10:56:53 PM
Yeah, flaps on the LA will pull out at about 150-175. I would only recommend using flaps in a slow turn fight or in the vertical. LA may be fast on the deck, but it lacks acceleration at about 11K and it can barely perform half as good. There are some planes that can catch the LA on the deck, like the 262, 163, 109-K4, typhoon/tempest, and the P-51D. One piece of advice, if your going 500+, turn very slighty as the wings will tend to rip off if you pull back to hard at that speed.  

The only propeller aircraft that outruns an La7 on the deck is the Tempest.
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: THRASH99 on August 10, 2010, 10:57:28 PM
You new?
No, I've been on for 2 1/2 years. If I was new, I'd be asking "What's the LA"?
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: THRASH99 on August 10, 2010, 10:58:31 PM
The only propeller aircraft that outruns an La7 on the deck is the Tempest.
K4 can too. Been running on the deck and they extend out slowly.
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: grizz441 on August 10, 2010, 11:00:16 PM
K4 can too. Been running on the deck and they extend out slowly.

No it can't.
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: THRASH99 on August 10, 2010, 11:04:26 PM
No it can't.
Had it happen to me in the DA before, we both came out of a dive and leveled and he out ran me slowly. I'm guessing maybe 400 range per minute. I don't know, that's just me, but if it can't, it can't
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: Lusche on August 10, 2010, 11:05:29 PM
Had it happen to me in the DA before, we both came out of a dive and leveled and he out ran me slowly. I'm guessing maybe 400 range per minute. I don't know, that's just me, but if it can't, it can't

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Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: KgB on August 10, 2010, 11:08:01 PM
No, I've been on for 2 1/2 years. If I was new, I'd be asking "What's the LA"?
So you not gonna ask  "what's the performance chart"?
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: Krusty on August 10, 2010, 11:20:48 PM
Anything can exceed its top level speed when it gets there from a long dive...

If it's a level chase the K4 cannot out run you.
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: grizz441 on August 10, 2010, 11:54:54 PM
Had it happen to me in the DA before, we both came out of a dive and leveled and he out ran me slowly. I'm guessing maybe 400 range per minute. I don't know, that's just me, but if it can't, it can't

You probably dove all at once, and he gradually dove behind you, making better use out of his E and also cutting your angle off from above.  Diving straight down all at once to the deck is the worst thing to do trying to escape in most situations.
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: Brooke on August 11, 2010, 02:23:36 AM
Jeez.  I didn't know the Typhoon was that fast on the deck.  I have no idea how I could not have known that after flying in this game so long.
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: Tilt on August 11, 2010, 03:28:17 PM
K4 can too. Been running on the deck and they extend out slowly.

Only with fuel load heavy on the La and light  fuel load on the K4. La v La is quite heavily influenced by fuel load.  Once La's could out dive  almost anything but thats been corrected, loads of stuff will dive with the La now.
Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
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Title: Re: LA-7 flaps.
Post by: Masherbrum on August 11, 2010, 04:50:39 PM
No, I've been on for 2 1/2 years. If I was new, I'd be asking "What's the LA"?

He asked because you're passing off some "incorrect assumptions".   2% of the MA can lay the smack down in the La7.   The other 98% expect that 2% "to get shot down easy", but instead find themselves in a world of hurt.