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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: Ghosth on August 03, 2010, 04:40:24 PM
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Normally my ping to HTC is in the 60 to 100 ms range, floats a bit but stable, no loss, been that way for years. On DSL here and been very happy with it. Today after noticing huge lag just to log in, and big delays loading web pages I ran a ping plot.
Needless to say I'm not happy.
(http://www.332nd.org/dogs/Ghosth/GhostPing.jpg)
Any ideas what I can do?
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As the problems start at the very first hop, I would try power cycling your router/modem. If that does not fix it, you need to contact your ISP about it. That is pretty ugly.
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Actually power cycled both modem and router before I took the shot.
Amazingly came back tonight and all is again well with the world.
Really wonder who was doing what where.
Thanks Skuzzy
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Probably everyone in MN sucking up all the electricity trying to keep cool :D (not me though :noid)
Very hot and humid today - not pleasant at all to be outside.
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Ghosth, who is your ISP? The other day my internet was out and Diagnostics said it was a problem with the ISP and that we should "Call them immediately." It was fixed an hour later without having to lift a finger. Roadrunner.
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They could have been working a router Ghosth.
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Thats what it acts like skuzzy.
Seems to be back to normal again now.
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I would think the midwest power grid is just a humming with this hot weather in the midwest.
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Actually I tracked it down to the son in laws netbook downloading music video's from the basement.
What I don't understand is why it is impacting the whole network so badly.
With ping plotter running trace I can go from over 1000 ping to HTC to under 100 by unplugging his lan cable from the router.
What I want to know is, is there any way I can "throttle" or limit his bandwidth so that it doesn't impact mine so badly? Or do I just have to plug his cable in when I'm not wanting to fly?
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Ghosth, your consumer grade router will easily get flooded by an external fast network able to stream video at a high rate of speed to a computer on your network.
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What I want to know is, is there any way I can "throttle" or limit his bandwidth so that it doesn't impact mine so badly? Or do I just have to plug his cable in when I'm not wanting to fly?
Depending on the router, you perhaps can. Search the 'Net to see if you can limit the bandwidth with the router you have. You might need to assign a static IP for his laptop or can perhaps use the MAC address and then tell the router to only allow that address to use 25% (or whatever).
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Ghosth, your consumer grade router will easily get flooded by an external fast network able to stream video at a high rate of speed to a computer on your network.
It probably doesn't matter what router you have - you mention DSL, which probably means in the neighborhood of 1.5 to 3 Mb/sec down and 128 to 512 up which means even a router from the turn of the century even should have little problem keeping up. So unless you have some sort of DSL I've not heard of, it's your connection that's getting saturated, not the router.
If either whatever is on the other end is sending enough data to saturate your connection - or his system is sending enough data to saturate your connection up - then you'll experience exactly what you described. I once called an ISP to report that a T1 based connection had gone down - only to find that someone in marketing had decided to send a mailing of epic proportions to 75 to 100 recipients. I literally couldn't get a ping to anywhere through the connection. I realized what happened when the T/S rep called back and said "No, the line is fine - but what I see is near 100 % utilization, and it's all SMTP traffic".
Unless you can pull the plug on him, then you are going to need a router that lets you throttle bandwidth. If you do change routers, don't get the FVS318G (even though it does support throttling) - I can say from personal experience that it does some "odd" things with streaming traffic that I could only resolve by getting an different brand. In my experience though, the bandwidth throttling doesn't always work as well as you'd expect, so you might still have problems.
Personally, I think the best throttling is the threat of - as in "You mess up my sim again, and my hands will be around your neck..." :D
But sometimes families are too complicated for the simple solution.
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Ghost
I just make the hoodrats log off at 5:00, I've banned P2P unless you've obtained my personal approval for the file, and absolutely NO broadband starting at 9:00 pm on Fridays and ending at 1:00 am on Saturday. Sunday they have to be off by 5:00 again. Okay I'm a bit of a dictator but my first weekend online was spent with tech support on AT&T and I found out that my house was the Niagra Falls of usage. Testing slowly now to see what can be supported without jacking up the game.
I can be a bit of a hard arse about some things but, unless they're paying the bill for it, too bad. :D
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I did the same thing here with my kids. Squad nights all downloading stopped hours before I was going to fly. It was kinda like the old days when you had to hang a postit note on the phone so the wife wouldn't go to make a call and your modem would drop you off line :eek:
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Start charging for the use maybe by song.Kids these days want everything for free or the best job at work. They need the switch I used to get. :devil
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Ghastly, yes, the bandwidth of the connection can be saturated, but only if the router does not have the proper control for bandwidth sharing, which most (if not all) consumer grade routers do not have.
Aces High requires very little bandwidth and if a router could be configured properly for bandwidth sharing, a P2P download over a 512Kb/s connection would still allow the game to play just fine over the Internet.
I do not know of any consumer grade routers which have that as an option, and if they do, do they have a user interface which anyone could understand in order to program it up.
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Ghastly, yes, the bandwidth of the connection can be saturated, but only if the router does not have the proper control for bandwidth sharing, which most (if not all) consumer grade routers do not have.
Aces High requires very little bandwidth and if a router could be configured properly for bandwidth sharing, a P2P download over a 512Kb/s connection would still allow the game to play just fine over the Internet.
I do not know of any consumer grade routers which have that as an option, and if they do, do they have a user interface which anyone could understand in order to program it up.
Absolutely agreed. I just didn't want him to think that a better router was going to "automatically" fix the issue. It's the bandwidth sharing features that will make the difference, and they have to be configured properly.
And because the Netgear is one of the consumer grade routers (or at least, I assume it's considered non-commercial, I do) that does have it, I wanted to specifically mention that my experience with it was less than stellar so he doesn't "find" that one as a solution.
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