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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: jamdive on August 04, 2010, 07:50:44 AM
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Does, or has anyone seen a picture of a 190 with a torpedo mounted on it? If so, what variant was it and how big of a torpedo did it carry?
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Focke-Wulf Torpedo Variants (more or less Prototypes, none were produced)
FW 190 F-8/U2
FW 190 F-8/U3
FW 190 F-8/U4
FW 190 F-8/U5
FW 190 F-8/U14
FW 190 F-8/U15
FW 190 F-8/R14
FW 190 F-8/R15
FW 190 F-8/R16
FW 190 A-5/U-14&15
(http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/f/fw190-torpedo.jpg)
(http://rareaircraf1.greyfalcon.us/picturesi/aa41.jpg)
None of them saw service, just the planning stage. IIRC, III/KG200 was formed for this, but was disbanded.
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None of them saw service, just the planning stage.
Darn! You can't tell me that doesn't look fun! :D
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Darn! You can't tell me that doesn't look fun! :D
Fun, yes. But how it performance is questionable.
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Focke-Wulf Torpedo Variants (more or less Prototypes, none were produced)
FW 190 F-8/U2
FW 190 F-8/U3
FW 190 F-8/U4
FW 190 F-8/U5
FW 190 F-8/U14
FW 190 F-8/U15
FW 190 F-8/R14
FW 190 F-8/R15
FW 190 F-8/R16
FW 190 A-5/U-14&15
(http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/f/fw190-torpedo.jpg)
(http://rareaircraf1.greyfalcon.us/picturesi/aa41.jpg)
None of them saw service, just the planning stage. IIRC, III/KG200 was formed for this, but was disbanded.
Hey Masher, any explanation why each variant was scrapped as well as III/K200 disbanded? I wonder if we could get just one in if it was found practical/promising but impossible due to the war situation (materials, planes, pilots, etc.).
Then again I might just be grasping for more capable ship killing german iron here (*cough*).
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That's not right masher. First off only a couple were modified (note the extra foot or so on the tail wheel?), and none of them were A8 models if I recall. I only recall a few testbeds on A-5s or equivelant F3 models. Also note the pictures show an A5 model (or F3, the line really was kind of blurred as to what was an F3 and what was an A5 with modifications), with the small-caliber MG cowling, the inboard pitot tube, etc.
There were some F8s that carried big bombs, and I think that's what KG200 was formed for.
One source that seems fairly good says:
"The "FW-190A-5/U14" and "FW-190A-5/U15" were both torpedo-bombers with an extended tailwheel to give ground clearance for the torpedo.
There was a similar modification, the "FW-190F-8/R15", for carriage of an odd munition known as the "BT-1400 torpedo bomb". The BT-1400 weighed 1,400 kilograms (3,090 pounds), and looked much more like a bomb than a torpedo, with a long tapered nose, three tailfins (including a folding bottom fin to permit ground clearance), and no propeller.
It is unclear if these FW-190 modifications saw much service, though it appears that late in the war the Luftwaffe special-operations group, KG-200, used FW-190s carrying BTs in operations against the Soviets. There are also stories of such long-tailwheel aircraft carrying SC-1800 1,800 kilogram (3,970 pound) bombs, if with great difficulty and stripped of everything that could be removed. They were apparently used to try to destroy the Remagen bridge over the Rhine, seized by the Allies in early 1945, but with no success."
Note those carried bombs, despite the name having the word "torpedo" in the name of the bomb.
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That's not right masher. First off only a couple were modified (note the extra foot or so on the tail wheel?), and none of them were A8 models if I recall. I only recall a few testbeds on A-5s or equivelant F3 models. Also note the pictures show an A5 model (or F3, the line really was kind of blurred as to what was an F3 and what was an A5 with modifications), with the small-caliber MG cowling, the inboard pitot tube, etc.
There were some F8s that carried big bombs, and I think that's what KG200 was formed for.
One source that seems fairly good says:
"The "FW-190A-5/U14" and "FW-190A-5/U15" were both torpedo-bombers with an extended tailwheel to give ground clearance for the torpedo.
There was a similar modification, the "FW-190F-8/R15", for carriage of an odd munition known as the "BT-1400 torpedo bomb". The BT-1400 weighed 1,400 kilograms (3,090 pounds), and looked much more like a bomb than a torpedo, with a long tapered nose, three tailfins (including a folding bottom fin to permit ground clearance), and no propeller.
It is unclear if these FW-190 modifications saw much service, though it appears that late in the war the Luftwaffe special-operations group, KG-200, used FW-190s carrying BTs in operations against the Soviets. There are also stories of such long-tailwheel aircraft carrying SC-1800 1,800 kilogram (3,970 pound) bombs, if with great difficulty and stripped of everything that could be removed. They were apparently used to try to destroy the Remagen bridge over the Rhine, seized by the Allies in early 1945, but with no success."
Note those carried bombs, despite the name having the word "torpedo" in the name of the bomb.
I'm not arguing my sources Krusty. Fight with someone else. Those are the "known Variants".
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edit: double post, forum has a spazz attack
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I'm not arguing my sources Krusty. Fight with someone else. Those are the "known Variants".
yeah... sure .. "Known variants" is extremely misleading. Also calling them prototypes is misleading. Just because there was a designation saying "this configuration has this name" doesn't mean the configuration was ever used. The nazis have a rep as paper pushers and strictly planners, so they planned a lot of things that never saw the light of day, and named and designated a lot of "variants" that never were assembled or built.
Nothing really to argue, though, since the F8 airframe never even tested torps (even in prototype form) that I've ever read.
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yeah... sure .. "Known variants" is extremely misleading. Also calling them prototypes is misleading. Just because there was a designation saying "this configuration has this name" doesn't mean the configuration was ever used. The nazis have a rep as paper pushers and strictly planners, so they planned a lot of things that never saw the light of day, and named and designated a lot of "variants" that never were assembled or built.
Nothing really to argue, though, since the F8 airframe never even tested torps (even in prototype form) that I've ever read.
Show me a post where I said they were "built". I guess you missed the part where I mentioned "planning stages".
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Here's where:
"Focke-Wulf Torpedo Variants (more or less Prototypes, none were produced)
FW 190 F-8/U2
FW 190 F-8/U3
FW 190 F-8/U4
FW 190 F-8/U5
FW 190 F-8/U14
FW 190 F-8/U15
FW 190 F-8/R14
FW 190 F-8/R15
FW 190 F-8/R16
FW 190 A-5/U-14&15"
You imply (perhaps unintentionally, but nonetheless) that there were prototypes for all of those, and there can be many prototypes made before something goes into full production. I'm not picking on you or anything, it's just inaccurate/misleading. There were all of 2 190A5's modified if I recall (maybe just 1?) and the tests were deemed unsatisfactory almost immediately and the idea was scrapped.
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Here's where:
"Focke-Wulf Torpedo Variants (more or less Prototypes, none were produced)
FW 190 F-8/U2
FW 190 F-8/U3
FW 190 F-8/U4
FW 190 F-8/U5
FW 190 F-8/U14
FW 190 F-8/U15
FW 190 F-8/R14
FW 190 F-8/R15
FW 190 F-8/R16
FW 190 A-5/U-14&15"
You imply (perhaps unintentionally, but nonetheless) that there were prototypes for all of those, and there can be many prototypes made before something goes into full production. I'm not picking on you or anything, it's just inaccurate/misleading. There were all of 2 190A5's modified if I recall (maybe just 1?) and the tests were deemed unsatisfactory almost immediately and the idea was scrapped.
Two W.Nr 871 and 872 both a5 variants. By december 1944 planning on the F8 and A5 as a torpedo planes were dropped. Then they looked into modifying the 190D-9/r14 and 152C-1 but work on these mods was only on paper.
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Here's where:
"Focke-Wulf Torpedo Variants (more or less Prototypes, none were produced)
FW 190 F-8/U2
FW 190 F-8/U3
FW 190 F-8/U4
FW 190 F-8/U5
FW 190 F-8/U14
FW 190 F-8/U15
FW 190 F-8/R14
FW 190 F-8/R15
FW 190 F-8/R16
FW 190 A-5/U-14&15"
You imply (perhaps unintentionally, but nonetheless) that there were prototypes for all of those, and there can be many prototypes made before something goes into full production. I'm not picking on you or anything, it's just inaccurate/misleading. There were all of 2 190A5's modified if I recall (maybe just 1?) and the tests were deemed unsatisfactory almost immediately and the idea was scrapped.
I implied nothing, you ARE picking on folks and we've been down this well-worn road before. Those WERE planned variants, but were dropped.