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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: -ammo- on November 30, 2001, 07:20:00 PM
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Well, I am going to buy myself a Christmas present, a Geforce 3.
Looking at Newegg.com, I didn't realize how many differetn brands of Geforce 3's there are. Gainward GF3, Visiontek GF3, GF3 Ti200, GF3 TI500, blaa, blaa
I know this much-
Geforce 3 (original) clock speed 200 Mhz
Geforce 3 TI200 clock speed 175 Mhz
Geforce 3 TI500 clock speed 240 Mhz
And depending on the brand, the prices vary wildly. For example, the asus GF3 is $328, while the Visiontek GF3 is $274, and the MSI GF3 is $238--all three from Newegg. Even the bad to the bone TI500 cards vary in price by manufacturer.
so what is good and what is not. I want an origional GF3 or a TI500, but I would like to hear you happy users experiences first. Please tell me!
TYVM :)
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Get the Gainward (Cardexpert) GF3 and then overclock it to Ti500 speeds. I have one and it performs very well. I run it at 240 core/520 memory.
[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: Raubvogel ]
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Ammo, a fairly nice article on the Ge3's at Tom's Hardware.
NVIDIA Launches Titanium Series (http://www4.tomshardware.com/graphic/01q4/011001/index.html)
Conclusions (The short story):
"Well, we certainly have one card that is faster than anything else before, the GeForce3 Ti500. However, the performance advance over previous GeForce3 cards is not that substantial, mainly because the memory bandwidth was only increased by some meager 8.7 %...
GeForce3 Ti200 will sell at a really attractive price point, offering the wealth of GeForce3's new DX8 features to a large audience. The performance of Ti200 may be some 5-15% lower than the 'old' GeForce3, but for the price Ti200 offers outstanding speed as well as features."
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And with some GF3 Ti200 models, you can overclock to classic GF3 level performance.
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Get leadtek ti200 I got one and I'm very pleased to it.
Memory clocks to 480Mhz easy (running atm..) and core goes high too, havent tested the limit yet.
Get leadtek because they have hdtv-out and very high quality 2D picture.
This is what I run it at the moment, stable:
(http://users.kymp.net/cable130/Clip.jpg)
[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: Mr RiplEy ]
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ti200
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Whatever you do dont get the PNY brand gf3
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You'll be able to clock an original GF3 higher...lower latency ram.
(http://communities.msn.com/_Secure/0KwAAANwOjTumob5v6cXNktFEr18FN!nzy*E8iZosKGxSuVSQBgeTS5x5zgvGKK8JzGFxM52r94Y/freqs.GIF)
[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: Raubvogel ]
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What kind of FR you guys gettin with the Ti200?
And btw,Thanks for all the useful info guys! :D
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ammo,
i'll prolly be doin the same g3 upgrade soon too.
if you want the best without oc'ing, go for the Ti500. If you feel comfortable with overclocking and can walk back to the store in case you fry the card, go for the orig. G3.
i still have my geforceII ULTRA 64meg, and with my xp1800+ it pushes AH to 75fps at 1600x1200 32bit. So, with whichever g3 you get, i think you'll be more than happy!!
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You were saying?
Leadtek Ti200 has exactly the same 3.8ns ram like the original.
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I'd go for the Ti200 and OC it to run as fast as original G3's if you're concerned about price. You can't go wrong either way, though.
I have a Hercules card myself (GeForce 2 GTS 64mb). They are probably the most expensive of the nvidia based boards, but I didn't wanna wait, and that's all the GeForce 2 cards I could find in town (that was awhile back.) Only one store in town had ONE left. ;) I am extremely pleased with the card, and Hercules does well with their drivers. They won't be as fast as the latest Detonators, but you can be sure they'll be extremely stable. Plus good feedback from Hercules when you ask a question via email, at least it was under 24 hrs in the one time I emailed a question to them.
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gotta question what is the difference in these two cards--
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1)CARDEXPERT GEFORCE3 64MB DDR(Mfr's #:V87GEFOR3), with TV-OUT & DVI - RETAIL NVIDIA GeForce3 GPU, 256-bit 2D & 3D graphics architecture AGP 2X/4X with Fast Writes Memory size up to 64MB with 4Mx16 ultra fast DDR SDRAM Support high resolution up to 048x1536@75Hz Build-in 350MHz
2)CARDEXPERT GEFORCE3 POWERPAK GOLDEN SAMPLE 64MB W/TV-OUT, VIVO(Video In & Out), DVI. Enhance Mode/Over-Clock. - RETAIL NVIDIA GeForce3 GPU, 256-bit 2D & 3D graphics architecture. AGP 2X/4X with Fast Writes. Memory size up to 64MB with 4Mx16 ultra fast DDR SDRAM. Support high resolution up to 2048x1536@75Hz. Build-in 350MHz RAMDAC with gamma correction. NTSC / PAL TV-Out with flicker filter. TV-Out resolution up to 800x600. Composite & S-Video TV-Out, LCD output with DVI connector [/l]
I could care less about bells and whistles, but would like to know if their is any performance advantages of one over the other.
Thx!
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Gainward GeForce 3 Power Pack !!! "Golden Sample" 64MB (AGP) - Retail (GX-000-GW)
A factory tuned version of the GeForce 3 Power Pack !!!, the "Golden Sample" comes complete with a performance BIOS and is guaranteed to run at least at 220 MHz core speed and 480 MHz memory speed. The Gainward GeForce 3 Power Pack !!! "Golden Sample" features the award winning NVIDIA GeFore 3 GPU and 64MB of ultra-fast DDR SDRAM.
- Support high resolution up to 2048x1536@75Hz
- Built-in 350MHz RAMDAC with gamma correction
- NTSC / PAL TV-Out with flicker filter with resolution up to 800x600
- Composite & S-Video TV-Out
Hope that helps
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in your opinion, is it worth the $30 extra over the other card (#1)?
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I would only get a Leadtek GF3. Leadtek GF3's have much better 2D quality than the others, even better than Matrox (some say).
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Ammo, whatever you do dont get a Ti-200. Im not sure what all games you play, but strictly in the context of Aces High, I get better performance out of my Elsa GF2 Ultra than I did testing the Visiontek Ti-200. Yeah yeah, you can overclock 'em, but I can oc my card too.
Ammo, I hope you checked out that article at tomshardware.com - its quite helpful with comparing performances of several cards.
Also, check out http://www.8dimensional.com/nVGF3.html (http://www.8dimensional.com/nVGF3.html)
This gives some great detail about all the cards out there.
Hope this helps. Just a side note, I hear the GF4 will be out in March.
Nim
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Larry, all.. Thx for the advice. I bought a gainward geforce 3 (original). I should see a considerable increase in performance over my old mx400 card.
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I have the same card ammo. It was a great buy. No problems at all. I get a rock steady 75 fps running AH in 1600x1200, 32 bit. I run it clocked at 240/510. It will go higher, but it's not necessary. I think you're going to like it.
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it was your initial "direction" that steered me there Raub :) thx. The more I read the better I liked it (and the price at newegg).
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The Golden Sample series are excellent cards, they use the highest quality memory available on a 6 layer PCB.
Due to the memory and PCB combination they can run stable at higher Core/Clk speeds than most other manufacturers cards.
Motherboards based on Intel's 850 chipset are usually manufactured with this type of PCB. <quality stuff>
Nvidea was upset with Gainward when they released the Golden Sample GF2 MX-400 series because they performed almost as well as the GF2 GTS/Pro series. :p
I O/C the hell out of my Gainward GF2 MX-400 and it has never given me a problem. ;)
When I bought the card it was set at 200/166, I hacked the cards BIOS and am running it at 225/350. <core/mem>
Gainward also includes a great software bundle, Cyberlink Power DVD, Power VCR, and several other nice programs came with mine. <3 disks>