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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: sky25 on August 08, 2010, 02:40:56 PM
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Was having a great time in tank town the other night.. Getting kills and getting killed by other tanks.. No base taking going on, just a clean tank battle for people to enjoy... Along comes an A20 who starts dropping bombs on all of the tanks...What purpose does this serve? I think it is time to provide a tank arena or make tank town a no fly zone..
When I started playing the game, I took the time to read everything that I could at the trainers site about game play and etiquette. I have read in many places that it is considered rude to drive a plane into tank town just to land easy kills.. I PM'd the guy doing it and his answer was simple. He does it to land easy kills... Base takes and defense are fair game for dropping on tanks, but why do it at tank town when no base taking is going on?
End of Request....
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No fly zone=100000 puffy ack batteries!
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Not in the mains. -1
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simple fix, cave maze map. if anyone can fly in there, they deserve the kills
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Eventually any "no fly zone" just becomes 40 tanks overwhelming 10 tanks and rolling tank town.
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Eventually any "no fly zone" just becomes 40 tanks overwhelming 10 tanks and rolling tank town.
Make the three bases around tank town unable to capture..
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Isnt there already a tank only area in the DA?
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Isnt there already a tank only area in the DA?
Yeah but they won't go there because they want to see all the plane flying around over them. :D
You're trying to make sense, not allowed on a discussion like this one.
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Along comes an A20 who starts dropping bombs on all of the tanks...
:confused: :huh No... y would they do that???
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We already have this on one of the large MA maps. 6 GV bases surrounded by 30K mountains. No one goes there.
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I have read in many places that it is considered rude to drive a plane into tank town just to land easy kills.. I PM'd the guy doing it and his answer was simple. He does it to land easy kills... Base takes and defense are fair game for dropping on tanks, but why do it at tank town when no base taking is going on?
Dear Sky, I've been looking for a way to balance my attack score so that it no longer drags my ranking down. Thank you for this piece of information. I never thought to use tank town as a way to fluff my attack score but it's a pretty good idea.
Your Pal, PJL
PS... he was using an A20? I'm thinking I could use the Mossie for my attack score but bust out the lancs to fluff my bomber score. What do you think?
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Sorry Double Post
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Dear Sky, I've been looking for a way to balance my attack score so that it no longer drags my ranking down. Thank you for this piece of information. I never thought to use tank town as a way to fluff my attack score but it's a pretty good idea.
Your Pal, PJL
PS... he was using an A20? I'm thinking I could use the Mossie for my attack score but bust out the lancs to fluff my bomber score. What do you think?
Dear PJ_Godzilla,
I have been looking for a way to avoid reading stupid, lame comments like the one shown above Thus far I have been unsuccessful. Your attempt at humor is sub par at best.. If you cannot make a productive comment in regards to the post that I made, than why even make a comment at all? I realize that you are probably I young person or immature adult, so I will not hold these things against you..
Your Pal,
Sky
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lol, i will let the poster do the talking....
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/when-godzilla-facepalms-godzilla-fa.jpg)
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lol, i will let the poster do the talking....
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/when-godzilla-facepalms-godzilla-fa.jpg)
Wow! Thats Original!
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Base takes and defense are fair game for dropping on tanks, but why do it at tank town when no base taking is going on?
Then why is it that at some point in the map, Tank Town is controlled by one of the three countries?
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Dear PJ_Godzilla,
I have been looking for a way to avoid reading stupid, lame comments like the one shown above Thus far I have been unsuccessful. Your attempt at humor is sub par at best.. If you cannot make a productive comment in regards to the post that I made, than why even make a comment at all? I realize that you are probably I young person or immature adult, so I will not hold these things against you..
Your Pal,
Sky
Dear Sky,
You make a number of assumptions. Perhaps if you read and understood the already noted fact that there already is a tank-only area in the DA, you could save yourself the trouble of listing faulty assumptions - both about me and the arenas in question. Then you could double your savings by quitting the squeak and playing in said designated area in the DA. You could follow this string of well-considered successes with a fruitless attempt to read my bones -instead of failing to discern my (readily apparent) meaning.
One of my favorite sayings, I should add, is that the truth is often revealed in jest. Another, with regard to your divinations regarding who/what I might be is that data without theory is noise - but theory without data is bulls**t. You should quit while you're even with this line of argumentation.
Finally, as for your attempt to avoid reading such posts - why are you here, again, exactly?
your pal,
PJ_Godzilla
Tanktown USA (in the laden Mossie overhead)
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Then why is it that at some point in the map, Tank Town is controlled by one of the three countries?
Exactly. Maybe those three fields should be outlined in red as not able to be taken? Just a thought...
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Dear Sky,
You make a number of assumptions. Perhaps if you read and understood the already noted fact that there already is a tank-only area in the DA, you could save yourself the trouble of listing faulty assumptions - both about me and the arenas in question. Then you could double your savings by quitting the squeak and playing in said designated area in the DA. You could follow this string of well-considered successes with a fruitless attempt to read my bones -instead of failing to discern my (readily apparent) meaning.
One of my favorite sayings, I should add, is that the truth is often revealed in jest. Another, with regard to your divinations regarding who/what I might be is that data without theory is noise - but theory without data is bulls**t. You should quit while you're even with this line of argumentation.
Finally, as for your attempt to avoid reading such posts - why are you here, again, exactly?
your pal,
PJ_Godzilla
Tanktown USA (in the laden Mossie overhead)
I do not avoid reading posts. Just try to avoid reading yours.. In regards to your comments above. Thanks for reinforcing my thoughts about you... You asked me why am I here exactly. It is my post. Why are you back?
If you do not agree with my wish list request, Just say "I do Not Agree" and why.. I am fully aware that there is a DA. I didn't request this for the DA. I simply made a comment about tank town on the Aces High wish list board. I didn't recall that it was called the Godzilla wish list board.. Waystin's comment was right on the money. He simply said "-1" He doesn't like the idea. I can respect that.. But PJ Godzilla cannot just make a simple agree or disagree comment. He has to show everyone how vastly superior he is by making some wise #$% comment that really means nothing..
I am sure that you will have another response to this comment because your ego will not allow you not to avoid making one... Because I want to support your narcissism and ego, this will be my last comment to you on this thread..
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I have a new purpose on AH, to hunt down all =V= Devils Brigades, especially in Tank Town.
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HiTech has already provided an area for those that want to engage GV vs. GV combat without having to worry about being bothered by airplanes blowing the little whiners up in their motorized sardine cans.
ack-ack
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I have a new purpose on AH, to hunt down all =V= Devils Brigades, especially in Tank Town.
Heeh, crossed my mind as well. Also what Machfly said We already have this on one of the large MA maps. 6 GV bases surrounded by 30K mountains. No one goes there.
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HiTech has already provided an area for those that want to engage GV vs. GV combat without having to worry about being bothered by airplanes blowing the little whiners up in their motorized sardine cans.
ack-ack
ROFLMAO!!! Now that's funny right thar.
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I do not avoid reading posts. Just try to avoid reading yours.. In regards to your comments above. Thanks for reinforcing my thoughts about you... You asked me why am I here exactly. It is my post. Why are you back?
If you do not agree with my wish list request, Just say "I do Not Agree" and why.. I am fully aware that there is a DA. I didn't request this for the DA. I simply made a comment about tank town on the Aces High wish list board. I didn't recall that it was called the Godzilla wish list board.. Waystin's comment was right on the money. He simply said "-1" He doesn't like the idea. I can respect that.. But PJ Godzilla cannot just make a simple agree or disagree comment. He has to show everyone how vastly superior he is by making some wise #$% comment that really means nothing..
I am sure that you will have another response to this comment because your ego will not allow you not to avoid making one... Because I want to support your narcissism and ego, this will be my last comment to you on this thread..
Now that's too good to pass up.
1. Somebody's got their panties in a bunch. Relax.
2. Actually, it IS Godzilla's wish list.
3. I have to make some wise-#$% comment - but relax, it really means nothing - at least to me. You, otoh, seem to be suffering a bit.
4. I disagree with your request.
5. Thanks for playing the man and not the ball - that's called an "ad hominem" - but I only point that out because I know you might be challenged on that latin stuff.
Entertainment... that's what it means.
I'm reminded of a scene in the film cabin boy in which the female lead asks the sailors if that's how they get their kicks.
The answer is an emphatic yes...
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And I'll add one more thing - none of this was to ever bust your chops, Sky. I don't understand why you reacted so defensively. For my own part, I don't think you can consider yourself a member of this BBS if youve never been misinterpreted, misread, misstated - and ripped a new one for it.
It's happened to me, certainly.
Take a look at Soviet landing gear some day. You'll see that the tires are BIG. Why? Because they're low pressure for use on unimproved runways. See, it's easier to package low-press tires than it is to pave the world - a big chunk of which they were sitting on.
It was never about you.
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lol, i will let the poster do the talking....
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/when-godzilla-facepalms-godzilla-fa.jpg)
I'm saving this image to every local drive I've got.
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I liked it better when you two were arguing in letter format. :D
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I liked it better when you two were arguing in letter format. :D
Dear Jager,
You have my condolences.
Your Pal,
PJ_Godzilla
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I have a new purpose on AH, to hunt down all =V= Devils Brigades, especially in Tank Town.
Now that I can respect> Salute :aok :salute I might be hunting you down.. Now thats what makes Aces High a fun game.. Whats new. We are hunted at all times anyway. Just look for the crew that took the last Knight or Rook base. It was probably us..
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Thank you :aok
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Dear Jager,
You have my condolences.
Your Pal,
PJ_Godzilla
Salute PJ Godzilla :salute You said it..
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See, you CAN agree on something! :rofl
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I vote that we get all the strat's wort of AA crammed into the TT's on all the maps :devil The GV bombers can fly around the edges of the 5km diamater circle the flack batteries will fire at targets within. They won't target GV's though, no need to hurt things even worse along those lines.
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Now that I can respect> Salute :aok :salute I might be hunting you down.. Now thats what makes Aces High a fun game.. Whats new. We are hunted at all times anyway. Just look for the crew that took the last Knight or Rook base. It was probably us..
Lol. I don't hunt ppl or squads that took a kight base, I just make their attempt miserbale.
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HiTech has already provided an area for those that want to engage GV vs. GV combat without having to worry about being bothered by airplanes blowing the little whiners up in their motorized sardine cans.
ack-ack
Perhaps we should invent a new type of whine tailored specifically to those who drive tanks.
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Perhaps we should invent a new type of whine tailored specifically to those who drive tanks.
There is.
GV'ers Whine (http://www.boogieblast.co.za/sound/PICT0114.WAV)
Make sure the volume on your speakers are cranked up to full.
ack-ack
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There is.
GV'ers Whine (http://www.boogieblast.co.za/sound/PICT0114.WAV)
Make sure the volume on your speakers are cranked up to full.
ack-ack
LOL
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Sorry, but I don't think its too much to ask for the bomb****s to stay out of what is designated TANK TOWN. Of course that just means "undefended targets" to most people who don't GV.
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Salute PJ Godzilla :salute You said it..
I didn't understand why you were upset (good-natured ribbing). I'm equally baffled that you are now placated (more of the same).
But, I'll take entertainment and sport where I can find it. That's, after all, why I play.
Besides, I love that Godzilla poster. It's now up on my wall at work. Epic fail is accepted parlance at Ford. We've been there and done that - so I know they'll get that part. Godzilla - that part might take some explanation...
>
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Wow! Thats Original!
sky25. it wont happen in the MA. if you want a TT go to the DA, they have one there and a PT town also. bring 20 people and you got what you want... personally i like A/C in TT because it allows for fighter town. its the Win teh warz people who ruin TT not the A/C
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Sorry, but I don't think its too much to ask for the bombers to stay out of what is designated TANK TOWN. Of course that just means "undefended targets" to most people who don't GV.
The same reason why you GV'tards and bombers couldn't keep out of the Furball areas that we used to have on some maps. It's got no place in the MA enviroment and this has been proven times in the past. If you want to GV umolested without fear of being bombed, go to the DA. I mean, it's what you GV'tards tell us dogfighters when we want to fight umolested...when the shoe's on the other foot, it sucks doesn't it? :rofl
ack-ack
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The same reason why you GV'tards and bombers couldn't keep out of the Furball areas that we used to have on some maps. It's got no place in the MA enviroment and this has been proven times in the past. If you want to GV umolested without fear of being bombed, go to the DA. I mean, it's what you GV'tards tell us dogfighters when we want to fight umolested...when the shoe's on the other foot, it sucks doesn't it? :rofl
ack-ack
nailed, set, puddied, and sanded over...
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The same reason why you GV'tards and bombers couldn't keep out of the Furball areas that we used to have on some maps. It's got no place in the MA enviroment and this has been proven times in the past. If you want to GV umolested without fear of being bombed, go to the DA. I mean, it's what you GV'tards tell us dogfighters when we want to fight umolested...when the shoe's on the other foot, it sucks doesn't it? :rofl
ack-ack
Saying that, this topic is close. :aok
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Saying that, this topic is close. :aok
So what you all are really trying to say is that my wish list item is a no-go?? I think you all made it clear as a bell . :salute
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Yes pretty much anytime a GV battle begins its one the GV guys that decides he has died enough and now its time to go get his big bad A20. Thats when the anti-attackers come in and start shooting down the attackers and then its fighters versus fighters and ack runners and pretty soon we have a war on our hands! Isnt life wonderful? :D
So please dont ever wish to put an end to a fight again.
Thank you! :aok
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Sorry, but I don't think its too much to ask for the bombers to stay out of what is designated TANK TOWN. Of course that just means "undefended targets" to most people who don't GV.
Stuff it. Furballers had donut map until toolsheders ruined it. Bases to take everywhere but no... they had to grab the ones at furball lake.
Strafe and bomb gvs everywhere and anywhere.
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I WOULD head to the DA if anyone were in TT.
And chalenge, it seems like whoever is under attack has the advantage because when they get killed, they only have to fly 2 mins to get back into the fight as opposed to the 6 or 7 for the attackers. And by the time they are getting camped, their goose is well and truly cooked.
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Isnt there already a tank only area in the DA?
Yeah, there's a a place there to furball as well :aok
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Dear Sky, I've been looking for a way to balance my attack score so that it no longer drags my ranking down. Thank you for this piece of information. I never thought to use tank town as a way to fluff my attack score but it's a pretty good idea.
Your Pal, PJL
PS... he was using an A20? I'm thinking I could use the Mossie for my attack score but bust out the lancs to fluff my bomber score. What do you think?
I think you need to get a life
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Stuff it. Furballers had donut map until toolsheders ruined it. Bases to take everywhere but no... they had to grab the ones at furball lake.
Strafe and bomb gvs everywhere and anywhere.
Think it's time to find good furballs and start dropping hangers all night long :aok
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i think its time for this thread to end...
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Think it's time to find good furballs and start dropping hangers all night long :aok
If you're flying then there is really nothing to worry about, you're as easy as they come to shoot down.
ack-ack
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I believe he is also referring to that GV duelling map in The DA. But that is where you do get alot of players attempting to take bombers to if they see people there. But i believe that what was Posted in the arena message stands in The DA you want the kills go to furballing and stay away from the other sections unless you are invited to a private duel.
But it is pretty lame to fly to tank town for a few easy kills heck its a waste of time it can take a while in flight time :)
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I believe he is also referring to that GV duelling map in The DA. But that is where you do get alot of players attempting to take bombers to if they see people there. But i believe that what was Posted in the arena message stands in The DA you want the kills go to furballing and stay away from the other sections unless you are invited to a private duel.
But it is pretty lame to fly to tank town for a few easy kills heck its a waste of time it can take a while in flight time :)
I just mad three kills flying in to tank town, i hoping to piss somebody off, especially the person that started this thread.
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I just mad three kills flying in to tank town, i hoping to piss somebody off, especially the person that started this thread.
:lol I Knew it I knew it :lol
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I just mad three kills flying in to tank town, i hoping to piss somebody off, especially the person that started this thread.
I headhunt Nemisis a.k.a. wishlist warrior on a regular basis.
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I just mad three kills flying in to tank town, i hoping to piss somebody off, especially the person that started this thread.
Thanks Oakranger. I dont really get pissed off about the game.. I do enjoy it.. I want to thank you for your comments.. Congratulations on your three kills..
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I headhunt Nemisis a.k.a. wishlist warrior on a regular basis.
i see therefore i kill :t
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I headhunt Nemisis a.k.a. wishlist warrior on a regular basis.
You mean since I told you to accept that if you won't fight, people will take any shot they can get when you started going on and on about how people were hoing you instead of continually attempting to get co-alt co you could make a pass at them while climbing?
And I don't think you've killed me once after that day, but I could be wrong.
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Hey Sky 25,
Your original request is quite reasonable, actually. Just in one location, with the rest of the locations open to normal game play.
Some of the more hostile replies you received seem out of proportion, and I assume are from people letting off steam after their bad day at the office. That Godzilla guy seems particularly unhappy. He implies he's an engineer at Ford Motor Company? That would explain it.
TDeacon
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Hey Sky 25,
Your original request is quite reasonable, actually. Just in one location, with the rest of the locations open to normal game play.
Some of the more hostile replies you received seem out of proportion, and I assume are from people letting off steam after their bad day at the office. That Godzilla guy seems particularly unhappy. He implies he's an engineer at Ford Motor Company? That would explain it.
TDeacon
Darn! I was hoping this thread was lost on time forever... Maybe it is just me, but I havent been getting bomtarded as much lately. I no longer go to tank town.. Yes the forums can be very brutal at times. But its all good... I just read it again and had to laugh.
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Sorry, but I don't think its too much to ask for the bombers to stay out of what is designated TANK TOWN. Of course that just means "undefended targets" to most people who don't GV.
For you it may be "Tank Town" But for me its "Bomber Town". The only one true tank towns are ones you cant fly into. All the other maps with GV bases in the middle aren't tank towns. I for one love hearing people whine after I bomb them in their so called ''tank town''. I just don't understand how some people think that an island that has airbases on it should be a tank only area. With that logic I could say that I don't like being shot down by flacks or fighters while I'm trying to have a nice time bombing GVs. Better yet while I'm on a bomber run I don't want anyone to try and stop me from reaching my target.
If you want a tank only area on a map then I suggest you download the terrain editor and make a true tank town with 30k+ walls around it and very thick cloud cover starting at 100ft. If you do not wish to do that then maybe you should suck it up and play the game because like it or not you are not immune to getting killed.
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For you it may be "Tank Town" But for me its "Bomber Town". The only one true tank towns are ones you cant fly into. All the other maps with GV bases in the middle aren't tank towns. I for one love hearing people whine after I bomb them in their so called ''tank town''. I just don't understand how some people think that an island that has airbases on it should be a tank only area. With that logic I could say that I don't like being shot down by flacks or fighters while I'm trying to have a nice time bombing GVs. Better yet while I'm on a bomber run I don't want anyone to try and stop me from reaching my target.
If you want a tank only area on a map then I suggest you download the terrain editor and make a true tank town with 30k+ walls around it and very thick cloud cover starting at 100ft. If you do not wish to do that then maybe you should suck it up and play the game because like it or not you are not immune to getting killed.
If your lame and selfish style of game play requires you to go to tank town and bomb just to ruin the fun of guys having a GV battle with no base taking going on than more power to you. I choose not to do it.. In my opinion, there is no reason to do so...
This is from the Arena Etiquette Section on The Trainers Page.
“FIGHTER-TOWN” and “TANK-TOWN”: Another topic which gets people heated up. Some maps have a ring of either airfields or vehicle bases, one from each country, in the middle of the map surrounded by high mountains. These bases are referred to as either Fighter-Town (airbases) or Tank-Town (vehicle bases). These bases, like all bases on the map, are capturable and can contribute to the overall count of bases needed to “win” the war. Having said that, it is important to note these bases are not needed to win the war. The debate arises from the question of whether or not it is alright to bomb and/or capture the bases in Fighter-Town or Tank-Town. We could devote pages to the discussion but the bottom line is leave fighter-town for fighters and tank-town for tanks. Don’t bomb / capture / pork / vulch in those locations. You will find your own countrymen helping the enemy kill you.
Based on the above statement by the Aces High Trainers. Clearly at one time there was a thing called arena etiquette in Aces High!!!
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If your lame and selfish style of game play requires you to go to tank town and bomb just to ruin the fun of guys having a GV battle with no base taking going on than more power to you. I choose not to do it.. In my opinion, there is no reason to do so...
This is from the Arena Etiquette Section on The Trainers Page.
“FIGHTER-TOWN” and “TANK-TOWN”: Another topic which gets people heated up. Some maps have a ring of either airfields or vehicle bases, one from each country, in the middle of the map surrounded by high mountains. These bases are referred to as either Fighter-Town (airbases) or Tank-Town (vehicle bases). These bases, like all bases on the map, are capturable and can contribute to the overall count of bases needed to “win” the war. Having said that, it is important to note these bases are not needed to win the war. The debate arises from the question of whether or not it is alright to bomb and/or capture the bases in Fighter-Town or Tank-Town. We could devote pages to the discussion but the bottom line is leave fighter-town for fighters and tank-town for tanks. Don’t bomb / capture / pork / vulch in those locations. You will find your own countrymen helping the enemy kill you.
Based on the above statement by the Aces High Trainers. Clearly at one time there was a thing called arena etiquette in Aces High!!!
Etiquette and rules are two completely different things.
Wow Sky, you sure have a lot of built up anger on this subject.
You know, normally I leave tank town alone, but when my spawns are camped and my fun is ruined, I have no problems whatsoever with bringing in a bomber. Also, sometimes people are having a bad day at the yoke and just want some easy kills. You can't blame them for playing however they want...
It's really no different from an enemy tank sitting on the runway ripping apart any plane that spawns, is it?
Deal with it, get over it and relax before you give yourself a heart attack.
This is a game... REPEAT this is only a game...
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Etiquette and rules are two completely different things.
Wow Sky, you sure have a lot of built up anger on this subject.
You know, normally I leave tank town alone, but when my spawns are camped and my fun is ruined, I have no problems whatsoever with bringing in a bomber. Also, sometimes people are having a bad day at the yoke and just want some easy kills. You can't blame them for playing however they want...
It's really no different from an enemy tank sitting on the runway ripping apart any plane that spawns, is it?
Deal with it, get over it and relax before you give yourself a heart attack.
This is a game... REPEAT this is only a game...
Actually, I am not angry at all on this or any subject.. I think it may look that way when you read it.. I have logged off a few times when a bomb got dropped on me in tank town.. I figure that when a game gets you pissed off, it is time to take a break.. :salute
I do not need you to tell me that it is only a game.I think every person here realizes this fact...This is a discussion about game play and game etiquette. I am relaxed by the way..
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Actually, I am not angry at all on this or any subject.. I think it may look that way when you read it.. I have logged off a few times when a bomb got dropped on me in tank town.. I figure that when a game gets you pissed off, it is time to take a break.. :salute
I do not need you to tell me that it is only a game.I think every person here realizes this fact...This is a discussion about game play and game etiquette. I am relaxed by the way..
If you say that it is only a game, why whine about being bombed in tank town? the argument is pointless and no more than "beating a dead horse".
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If you say that it is only a game, why whine about being bombed in tank town? the argument is pointless and no more than "beating a dead horse".
Oakranger I am starting to think that you make comments only to flame. I do not think you ever read anything that you comment on. Your comment is pointless because clearly your baiting without even reading anything that was posted...
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If your lame and selfish style of game play requires you to go to tank town and bomb just to ruin the fun of guys having a GV battle with no base taking going on than more power to you. I choose not to do it.. In my opinion, there is no reason to do so...
The only one being selfish is you. You want others to play the game how you want when it doesn't work that way. I go to your so called 'tank town' to have fun bombing GVs. If I ruin your fun when doing so then so be it, that's your problem not mine. The question I ask you is what makes you think you shouldn't get bombed?
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Obviously a more rounded approach to the game is required: enjoy tank to tank action, enjoy bombing tanks, enjoy shooting down guys who bomb tanks, enjoy shooting down guys who shoot down guys who bomb tanks. You will be a lot happier! :aok
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The only one being selfish is you. You want others to play the game how you want when it doesn't work that way. I go to your so called 'tank town' to have fun bombing GVs. If I ruin your fun when doing so then so be it, that's your problem not mine. The question I ask you is what makes you think you shouldn't get bombed?
Clearly you failed to read the arena etiquette section in the post...I am not telling you how to play your game. I am just saying that bombing in tank town is just bad manners.. There is no reason for it other than to pad your scores or just get off ruining other players fun.. If it is considered proper to eggtard in tanktown than I suggest that the Aces High trainers remove comments about it being improper to do so from the arena etiquette section on the trainers web site.. I didnt dream this up. It is in black and white on the Aces High Trainers Web site. Maybe a trainer should comment on this...
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Clearly you failed to read the arena etiquette section in the post...I am not telling you how to play your game. I am just saying that bombing in tank town is just bad manners..
No flaming here Sky. The only bad manners is getting upset about etiquette in the MA's. The truth of the matter is that it is a cage match in the MA's and there are no rules of engagement to adhere to. So expect to be killed in a myriad of ways, you will be happier once you accept this. I plan on getting killed every sortie. When I do not, it's that much sweeter.
:salute
Way
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No flaming here Sky. The only bad manners is getting upset about etiquette in the MA's. The truth of the matter is that it is a cage match in the MA's and there are no rules of engagement to adhere to. So expect to be killed in a myriad of ways, you will be happier once you accept this. I plan on getting killed every sortie. When I do not, it's that much sweeter.
:salute
Way
Waystin, you and I have killed each other more than a once in the mains. That is really not what I am talking about. If I get egged at a base take, spawn or any other battle thats ok. My point was that I think a tank on tank battle in Tanktown should be off limits to eggtards when clearly there in no reason to do it except to gain easy kills.. I fully expect to get killed on every sortie. I'd rather it be by another tank in tanktown than some score jocky dropping eggs.. My only point was that this is something that is discussed on the Trainers Site.. As always :salute The Pigs.. It is always a great fight when we are up against you guys..
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I find it funny that those that cry about etiquette couldn't pull their head out of where the Sun doesn't shine long enough to show the same etiquette for those that used to play in the fighter town areas.
ack-ack
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Clearly you failed to read the arena etiquette section in the post...I am not telling you how to play your game. I am just saying that bombing in tank town is just bad manners.. There is no reason for it other than to pad your scores or just get off ruining other players fun..
Clearly you're the one that didn't read it. "“FIGHTER-TOWN” and “TANK-TOWN”: Another topic which gets people heated up. Some maps have a ring of either airfields or vehicle bases, one from each country, in the middle of the map surrounded by high mountains.
If there are no mountains then it really isn't a true tank town and all is fair game play. Clearly you didn't read my post as well I don't ever play for score and I enjoy bombing tanks, so I go where the tanks are. If you are selfish enough to think that enough to say my game play is 'lame' and 'bad manners' then that's you're opinion. For its there is nothing that is more fun then upping an Ar234 bombing a few tanks. The only 'lame' part about it is getting PM whines from people like you who think they were in a privileged area were they are immune to being bombed.
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Oakranger I am starting to think that you make comments only to flame. I do not think you ever read anything that you comment on. Your comment is pointless because clearly your baiting without even reading anything that was posted...
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Let me exsplain to you in a simple way, cupcake. Between larry, Waysting, ack, tigger, I and some of the others put together more than 30 years of playing AH. We are telling you that the way things go in the MA will always be that way, until the staff of AH physically changes it. Like the radars.
So, you coming on here making remarks on something ( not that there anything wrong of what you are doing) and people are telling you that it is the way it is, I would get realized that the topic is done.
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So Larry, AckAck, etc.,
I am trying to understand your point(s) of view. Are you saying that wanting to play in a GV-only arena is not legit?
I understand your wanting to bomb tanks, in the context of the "win-the-war" effort. I can understand it in the context of it just being fun to do. But what I don't understand is why you seem to be opposed to the idea of a standardized GV-only area for those who want that? I mean if there are players who want it, and if it doesn't impact your ability to play the way you want everywhere else, why not?
There is also a hostile element to your posts, as evidenced by your using the loaded term "whine" to charactize someone else's opinion. Maybe there's a past history to this discussion which I am missing.
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TDeacon
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So Larry, AckAck, etc.,
I am trying to understand your point(s) of view. Are you saying that wanting to play in a GV-only arena is not legit?
I understand your wanting to bomb tanks, in the context of the "win-the-war" effort. I can understand it in the context of it just being fun to do. But what I don't understand is why you seem to be opposed to the idea of a standardized GV-only area for those who want that? I mean if there are players who want it, and if it doesn't impact your ability to play the way you want everywhere else, why not?
There is also a hostile element to your posts, as evidenced by your using the loaded term "whine" to charactize someone else's opinion. Maybe there's a past history to this discussion which I am missing.
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TDeacon
TDeacon I knew when you opened this thread up again that things were going to get ugly.. As far as the hostile element goes. There are always the regulars that choose to answer every post with negativity.. There are also that "We have been playing since the begining crowd" who hate anything that has to do with change. Oakranger said that he and others have been playing for a combined 30 years. And he is telling me that that's the way it is.. I have been driving a car for 20 years. That doesn't make me an automobile expert... If you fail to follow the party line and agree with them 100% of the time, they will use the only defense they have. I refuse to place Waystin in that category because in my opinion, he has always been straight with his thoughts on a subject without the flame job. I respect him for that...
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I am not opposed to it at all. In fact there is such a place already on a map whose name eludes me at the moment. At the same time there are a few maps with GV bases in the middle but also airbases near by. I am opposed to some people thinking those areas are just for GVs. Iv had countless times on Nidisles and OZkansas where Iv gotten rude comments from those types of players on 200 or by PM after dropping a bomb on them. Most have the same attitude as sky saying I'm lame, just trying to get easy kill, or trying to pad my score. I do it because its exciting and pretty hard at times when there are fighters from the other two countries trying to kill you. The only thing I am opposed to is having a tank only area on, all or, most maps. I think if that happens then why not have a fighter only area or bomber only area. IMO this game is about mixing the land, sea, and air elements not separating them into groups.
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OK, after reviewing the thread, I will attempt to answer my own question.
The OP is a combination of a wish for a GV-only arena (not disputed) and a complaint about gameplay (disputed). Perhaps the objections are addressed to the complaint, rather than to the wish? The solution then, in future, would be to phrase wishlist OPs in a manner which attempts to avoid complaints.
TDeacon
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I am not opposed to it at all. In fact there is such a place already on a map whose name eludes me at the moment.
Trinity. 2 Vbases per country, with several spawns each surrounded by 20K mountains.
It's pretty safe from planes, and absolutely empty all the time. Players don't even use the "safe" tank town they have, which is a shame. This place used to be much fun...
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Trinity. 2 Vbases per country, with several spawns each surrounded by 20K mountains.
It's pretty safe from planes, and absolutely empty all the time. Players don't even use the "safe" tank town they have, which is a shame. This place used to be much fun...
Yep I remember it was a blast in AH1 (at least I think it was the same map) back when the tiger was feared. I remember once when Kev367th and a few more of the DG took the high ground with tigers and were picking us off so we rolled a 40+ tank mission to try and stop them. It didn't work as we planed :aok
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Larry,
What you just said makes a certain amount of sense.
However, I would still like to see a "always on" GV-only area implemented somehow, rather than just an occasional one associated with a specific map geography. One reason I sometimes enjoy GVs is the "hide-and-seek" aspect. Kind of like when I was a kid playing hide-and-seek or capture-the-flag outdoors, when success or failure involved one's ability to move stealthily through the terrain. (Sounds silly, but I'm a silly guy sometimes...). So here I am in my GV. After 15 minutes of maneuvering into a position where I am about to ambush my opponent, an AC flies overhead, sees me, and blows me away with a bomb. OK in a "win-the-war" context, but frustrating in the GV-only context. Recognizing that that particular base is no longer GV-friendly, I exit, but sometimes have no place else to go. Hence my support of Sky25's wishlist post.
As a general observation as to why the above happens a lot, it seems that when they are mixed, the air game in many cases short-circuits the GV gameplay, thus spoiling the effect for GV players like myself. It's not any one's fault; it's just due to the inherent conflict between face-paced, powerful all-seeing AC and slow, line-of-sight, "hide-and-seek-playing" GVs.
Of course, this all falls apart if nobody uses the proposed GV-only area...
TDeacon
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How about we disable ordinace at TT? Well, the TT's far enough away from other airbases to make a capture unlikely.
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I've read this whole thread and I don't understand the point of a GV only area. Why limit combat opportunities in a game about combat. Its like saying "No tanks at airfields." I just dont get it.
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How about we disable ordinace at TT? Well, the TT's far enough away from other airbases to make a capture unlikely.
It still will not stop me upping at a distant base and fly to TT to kill a few GVs.
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this thread started back up? :rolleyes:
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this thread started back up? :rolleyes:
I am afraid so. Some ppl, god willing, wish for something that it is logical but just do not know when to drop it.
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30K+ Mountains around Tank Town? You certainly won't see any Knights trying to fly over those anyway :noid
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30K+ Mountains around Tank Town? You certainly won't see any Knights trying to fly over those anyway :noid
No, because they are such skill-less newbs that they'll just fly into them. :P
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So Larry, AckAck, etc.,
I am trying to understand your point(s) of view. Are you saying that wanting to play in a GV-only arena is not legit?
I never posted anything remotely like that. I have suggested to those that want to GV exclusively without fear of being bombed go to the DA and use the little section reserved for GVs. Just like the 'tards in GVs and bombers say to us furballers when we object to the bomb and GV 'tards ruining our fight.
I even suggested that we get another arena, set up like the WW1 test server to test out new features or other GV updates.
I understand your wanting to bomb tanks, in the context of the "win-the-war" effort. I can understand it in the context of it just being fun to do. But what I don't understand is why you seem to be opposed to the idea of a standardized GV-only area for those who want that? I mean if there are players who want it, and if it doesn't impact your ability to play the way you want everywhere else, why not?
No, you really don't understand which is evidenced by your assertion that one of my motivations for bombing GVs is to "Win the War®" and other such nonsense. When the only motivation is just to kill the other guy that is stupid enough to get himself under my bombs. Like I said, if you guys want a GV only place go to the DA and use the one there but in the MA, no. There is already a map with a dedicated GV area and it's a virtual ghost town, why? If you guys have sucha woody to get your own area why is that you guy refuse to use the one that was provided to you on one of the maps?
Also, why be such hypocrits? You guys want, nay, demand a seperate area in the MA so you can GV unmolested when the GV 'tards couldn't even extend the same courtesy to use furballers when we had our own little Fighter Town area. Every retard that liked to GV or bomb was always bombing the hangers or mass GV assaults on the fields to ruin the fight because we furballers don't play like how you want us to. Which is why the Fighter Town area was eventually removed from the map it was on, thanks to the retards in GVs and bombers.
There is also a hostile element to your posts, as evidenced by your using the loaded term "whine" to charactize someone else's opinion. Maybe there's a past history to this discussion which I am missing.
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TDeacon
The "opinions" as you say from those that want this aren't more than thinly disguised "Play my way" whines that have been posted a thousand times over in the many years I've been playing AH and the OP's "opinion" is no different.
ack-ack
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30K+ Mountains around Tank Town? You certainly won't see any Knights trying to fly over those anyway :noid
30K mountain will not stop me from going into TT.
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Ack Ack,
I can't speak for the OP, but in my case, I'm merely wishing for an additional permanent area or mechanism for GV-only, for reasons given in my last post. I wasn't aware of the GV/DA area, but the problem with it and also the problem with the single-map-tank-town solution is that it isn't always available. Either the map itself isn't being used by HTC, or nobody is in the GV/DA area. (Also, back when I used to use the DA for practicing my fighter skills I found that it was as lawless a place as the DA, with hordes of a**h***s roaming the skies interfering with the duels). A permanent publicised GV-only arena is more likely to have players in it. If not, HTC can remove it after trying out the idea for a month or so.
I do not want, nor does my "wish" necessarily involve:
1) to ruin the experience of other players,
2) to ruin the experience of "furballers",
3) to kill "fightertown"
4) to force other players to "play my way"
Based on my stated position, I suggest that your anger is misdirected.
TDeacon
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I wasn't aware of the GV/DA area, but the problem with it and also the problem with the single-map-tank-town solution is that it isn't always available.
We have currently 3 maps in Late War rotation with a genuine Tank Town area. One of them even has this area largely protected from Jabos by Himalya-like mountains.
Two of them are always empty, and most surprisingly the TT where you can still find some (low-key) GV action is also the most easy one to bomb: Ndisles.
Also I want to state that the decline of the Tank Town concept had nothing to do with tanks being bombed.
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30K mountain will not stop me from going into TT.
I have always been friendly with you Oak, but there is a point when the conversation becomes absurd and obviously flame-baiting. You are now there.
:salute
Way
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Lusche,
Yes, I noticed that. On maps with a central tank-town-ish-looking area, the first thing I have been doing is examine the icons to see if any are blinking. Since I started playing again (a couple of weeks ago) these places have generally been empty. Not sure why.
I guess I was hoping that the dedicated GV arena would attract GV players.
Any suggestions on how we might get undisturbed GV action, without screwing other players who like things the way they are? Or is it hopeless?
TDeacon
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Lusche,
Yes, I noticed that. On maps with a central tank-town-ish-looking area, the first thing I have been doing is examine the icons to see if any are blinking.
I think there is a very important point hidden in that statement: "examine the icons to see if any are blinking. "
Blinking icons are meaning: "The base is under attack" And that's the problem: It's all focused now on capturing the bases.
The TT concept, which worked well for years, is about spawning right into the middle of TT and slugging it out with the other guys there. And doing so does not make the bases flash at all.
I learned tanking there. Back in my days you could count on finding 25-33% of all players in TT whenever one of the TT maps came up. "Hooray, Tank Town!" was a very common shout on CH200 whenever a TT map came up after a reset.
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Lusche,
I merely examine the icons to see if anyone is there. I have been assuming that if someone is there, at least one base will blink.
TDeacon
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30K mountain will not stop me from going into TT.
I think you augured before you got up to the point of the joke :D
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I have been assuming that if someone is there, at least one base will blink.
Only if a GV is approaching the base. The GVs in Tank Town itself never made the bases flash.
And my remark was aimed specifically at you as such. It simply highlighted the fact that "the very concept of playing in TT" is simply lost.
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Only if a GV is approaching the base. The GVs in Tank Town itself never made the bases flash.
And my remark was aimed specifically at you as such. It simply highlighted the fact that "the very concept of playing in TT" is simply lost.
So is there a way to correct this sad state of affairs?
TDeacon
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So is there a way to correct this sad state of affairs?
None that I know of. Even the protected area in Trinity doesn't attract players, which is even more remarkable as it's often difficult to find any decent action when this map is new up. Even more remarkable is the fact, that you can find huge battles at the V2->A1 spawn, despite myriads of A20's and Il-2 harassing the tanks worse than it could ever be in any true TT area.
When Trinity was first put back into rotation, a group of AH "vets" immediately tried to get the ball rolling again on TT, but we were too few.
So all in all, it's not the "bomb****s" that prevent players from playing in a dedicated TT section of the map.
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Well, in my case, I wasn't aware of TTs existence as such. All I would have done is checked the center area of the map (TT?) for blinking icons, and then gone elsewhere when it seemed empty.
So it may be the case that others missed it as well. A dedicated arena would be hard to miss, as one would see it on login. Or if a regular TT area could be provided on all maps, some sort of popup on login announcing its presence. Otherwise, I can easily see people overlooking it, as I have been doing.
What we need here is:
1) a location (be it a separate arena, or a reasonably usable area on all maps)
2) a way for people to detect the location's presence, and detect whether anyone is in it, so if they're interested, they will join.
The latter in particular seems to currently be missing, and the former is missing at least half of the time. Fix these 2 issues, and perhaps we would attain critical mass again.
TDeacon
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BTW, Lusche, what about the original post in this thread, which I just re-read? In that particular situation, AC were alleged to be adversely affecting GV gameplay in TT.
So, do we need third item to fix the situation?
3) a mechanism to keep AC (and ships) out of TT / the separate arena.
TDeacon
What we need here is:
1) a location (be it a separate arena, or a reasonably usable area on all maps)
2) a way for people to detect the location's presence, and detect whether anyone is in it, so if they're interested, they will join.
The latter in particular seems to currently be missing, and the former is missing at least half of the time. Fix these 2 issues, and perhaps we would attain critical mass again.
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BTW, Lusche, what about the original post in this thread, which I just re-read? In that particular situation, AC were alleged to be adversely affecting GV gameplay in TT.
So, do we need third item to fix the situation?
3) a mechanism to keep AC (and ships) out of TT / the separate arena.
TDeacon
As much a sit sucks to be on the receiving end of a bomb, I'm all against a special GV "sanctuary" on TT maps in the Mian Arenas (high mountains are fine with me, but no other artifical restraints). MA combat is about interaction. Il-2 kills tank, Ostwind kills Il.2, A-20 bombs Ostwind, Spitfire kills A-20. In the "old TT days, I did everthing: Slugged it out in tanks, got bombed, hunted enemy "bomb****s", and bombed TT area from 25k in a Lancaster. Big fun all the time :)
And I'm even more opposed to further splitting up into special interest arenas. A GV arena, a level bombing arena, a furball arena, an attack arena...
The appeal of the MA is/was being huge sandbox. Being able to to about everything any given moment. Jumping from mindless GV battles in TT to intercepting enemy high alt buff runs in a hearbeat.
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Lusche,
Why are you against a GV-only alternative to the MA? The MA would still be there, and still be preferred by most players. Are you thinking that GV-only would take up an excessive amount of scarce HTC resources?
TDeacon
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I have always been friendly with you Oak, but there is a point when the conversation becomes absurd and obviously flame-baiting. You are now there.
:salute
Way
LOL, thanks
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Honest question
How hard would it be to make a GV only arena?
What would be the downside?
Seeing as how the extent of my GV'ing is limited to racing a jeep or PT boat around offline when I'm just killing a little time I haven't paid a LOT of attention to the issue. I'd like a serious, intelligent, and well thought out answer please.
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When we get private servers here in the semi-near future, an all-GV arena will be easy to set up and run. Used to in H2H all the time.
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Honest question
How hard would it be to make a GV only arena?
What would be the downside?
Seeing as how the extent of my GV'ing is limited to racing a jeep or PT boat around offline when I'm just killing a little time I haven't paid a LOT of attention to the issue. I'd like a serious, intelligent, and well thought out answer please.
My arguement is simple. The game is called Aces High, not Tanker's Low. The GV's were put in to add to the game, not become an independent element. I still say set up a GV club like we had a few years back. Player initiative and all... But there are so many other things that still need work, this would just add to the work load. I like to GV, I just don't think it deserves it's own arena.
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My arguement is simple. The game is called Aces High, not Tanker's Low. The GV's were put in to add to the game, not become an independent element. I still say set up a GV club like we had a few years back. Player initiative and all... But there are so many other things that still need work, this would just add to the work load. I like to GV, I just don't think it deserves it's own arena.
the question is, if they do have a GV arena, will it have a good turn out or a flop like WWI arenas.
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Just look at warbirds' GV specific arena, once a week six guys log on for an hour or two.
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I try to keep bombs out of TT. It we're pushed back to out last GV base or the airfield, I'll make an exception, but if not and I see someone bombing, I'll ask them to stop. I have no ax to grind with the furballers, but I think we should leave TT for tanks. If you want to bomb GV's, just go somewhere outside of tank town, thats all I'm asking.
At TT, please don't:
Pork bases. If hangers need to go down, please let the GV'ers take care of it, thats what the HE shells are for.
Please don't bomb GV's. If you got killed, take a break, go fight another country, or up a tiger and pwn his arse.
If someone porks your base, please don't use that as an excuse to go pork those. It just starts the vicious circle of strike and counter-strike.
Just food for thought.
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MA combat is about interaction. Il-2 kills tank, Ostwind kills Il.2, A-20 bombs Ostwind, Spitfire kills A-20.
Still works this way.. and once theres only spits, then the tanks can come back out, the spits run out of gas, and the IL2's kill the tanks again, etc. it's quite a nice cycle (food web LOLOL) :D
Hey look! a battle!
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I try to keep bombs out of TT. It we're pushed back to out last GV base or the airfield, I'll make an exception, but if not and I see someone bombing, I'll ask them to stop. I have no ax to grind with the furballers, but I think we should leave TT for tanks. If you want to bomb GV's, just go somewhere outside of tank town, thats all I'm asking.
You are in the MA, you are free game. You should not expect anything less or demand others not attack you just because you're in a tank.
At TT, please don't:
Pork bases. If hangers need to go down, please let the GV'ers take care of it, thats what the HE shells are for.
Please don't bomb GV's. If you got killed, take a break, go fight another country, or up a tiger and pwn his arse.
If someone porks your base, please don't use that as an excuse to go pork those. It just starts the vicious circle of strike and counter-strike.
Just food for thought.
Again, it's the MA and you're free game despite what you want. HiTech has been kind enough to provide us the necessary tools to defend our GVs from air attack, I would suggest you use these tools instead of demanding that you get a special area in the MA.
ack-ack
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I'm fine with others attacking me..... in a tank if I'm at TT. Its even named "Tank Town" for gods sake, not "bomber alley". As I said, I don't care if there are GV bombers, just leave TT alone.
I see absolutly no point to bombing GV's that aren't affecting your game play other than getting kills. IMO, the fight should be what matters, not how many kills you get.
If its really as simple as you say, then up a flack at TT, go up near the fighting (most of the time, thats where you will need the flacks), and try to kill all of the planes that try to bomb you, or survive their runs. Unless you prove this, then you can't really say thats all there is to it.
And if you manage to deter (thats what flacks do, they don't STOP, they only deter) or kill all of the bomb****s that attack you, theres a decent chance that a tank kills you instead.
As to CAP's, we've been over this before. You're not going to stop the pissed off tanker that doesn't care if his P-51 explodes as long as he gets the guy who killed his tank.
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I'm fine with others attacking me..... in a tank if I'm at TT. Its even named "Tank Town" for gods sake, not "bomber alley". As I said, I don't care if there are GV bombers, just leave TT alone.
No.
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The only way to keep AC out of TT is for HITech to change the map physically.
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I started this thread back at the start of August. Its intention was never to tell anyone how they should play the game..
When you roll an A20 into tank town, there is no strategic reason for it.. No bases are being taken. The only purpose is to get those easy GV kills at the expense of a few guys trying to have a tank battle..I personally wouldn't do it because I see no point in ruining someone else's fun.. There are plenty of spawn camps to bomb etc.
Some of the posters on this thread that are for bombing in Tank Town are the first ones to scream bloody murder when some buff comes along and drops the fighter hangers in a furball or while they are vulching a field.
I guess that speech about arena etiquette on the Trainers Site means nothing anymore.. Every time you get involved in a good GV battle in tank town , some bomber rolls in and drops you.. I'm not saying that they cannot do it. But what real purpose does it serve? I would never say that they cannot do it! Some people get off on ruining the game play of others. If there is no such thing as arena etiquette, I would suggest that the trainers site remove all references to it so that new players coming along wont have any expectation of it..
As far as Bulletin Board etiquette. That doesn't apply to many of the old farts who want to spend all of there time talking about War Birds, Fighter Ace, and Air Warrior and how they have been playing since they first invented the internet. Without even reading the post the first thing they do is flame you and talk about the way things used to be. Or you have the special members with 15949 posts who live on the bulletin boards to do nothing but flame every single suggestion or comment another person makes.. You know who you are...
I will stand by my original statement! Bombing in Tank Town is bad manors, and anyone doing it has ZERO respect for other players!!! I am finished with this discussion...
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I started this thread back at the start of August. Its intention was never to tell anyone how they should play the game..
When you roll an A20 into tank town, there is no strategic reason for it.. No bases are being taken. The only purpose is to get those easy GV kills at the expense of a few guys trying to have a tank battle.
Yet you are in the middle of the map having a senseless GV battle that has no strategic reason for it. No bases are being taken. The only purpose is to get those easy GV kills.
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I'm fine with others attacking me..... in a tank if I'm at TT. Its even named "Tank Town" for gods sake, not "bomber alley". As I said, I don't care if there are GV bombers, just leave TT alone.
There was a Fighter Town but it didn't stop 'tards like you coming in bombing or storming the fields in GVs. If you want a special area to fight GVs only without fear of planes interferring there is the DA which has a little section of the map for your kind. Otherwise, get used to being bombed in a GV in the MA.
I see absolutly no point to bombing GV's that aren't affecting your game play other than getting kills.
The object of the game is to kill the other guy, why are you trying to deny someone that right whether they do it in a plane or GV? If you're red you are a viable target and will end up dead.
IMO, the fight should be what matters, not how many kills you get.
To some killing the red guys is fun, to some it's fighting and to others it's killing, fighting and pissing the other guy off.
If its really as simple as you say, then up a flack at TT, go up near the fighting (most of the time, thats where you will need the flacks), and try to kill all of the planes that try to bomb you, or survive their runs. Unless you prove this, then you can't really say thats all there is to it.
I said the solution is simple, not the act itself. The tools provided by HiTech make it possible for GVs to defend themselves from air attack. It's not my fault that you refuse to use these options that have been readily provided to you but I guess your kind find if far easier to whine and cry instead of actually having to use what has been provided to you. Whether or not you're successful in using these tools depends on a lot of factors but the fact remains there are options available to you without having to whine about getting a special area in the MA.
And if you manage to deter (thats what flacks do, they don't STOP, they only deter) or kill all of the bombers that attack you, theres a decent chance that a tank kills you instead.
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Gee...life is tough when you have to actually fight to survive.
As to CAP's, we've been over this before. You're not going to stop the pissed off tanker that doesn't care if his P-51 explodes as long as he gets the guy who killed his tank.
And you were proven wrong but a lot depends on the skills of those providing CAP over the tank battle. I'm sure with your squadron what you say is most likely true and would be useless to provide CAP but if a better squadron with more skilled flyers would actually have a better chance of being able to protect your tanks. Yes, you'll still probably lose one or two but at least you won't get your entire attacking force entirely wiped out.
So, I guess your claim about playing to enjoy the fight isn't really true since you don't want planes to attack you.
ack-ack
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I will stand by my original statement! Bombing in Tank Town is bad manors, and anyone doing it has ZERO respect for other players!!![/color] I am finished with this discussion...
You had the benefit of the doubt with me until I read this. What a ridiculous statement to make about a combat game.
(http://douglas.typepad.com/content/pink-tank.jpg)
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"good" gv fights, I'm not sure they even existed to begin with.. Tanks usually ambush, or camp spawns. "who sees who first" and/or "who can estimate range first".
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There was a Fighter Town but it didn't stop 'tards like you coming in bombing or storming the fields in GVs. If you want a special area to fight GVs only without fear of planes interferring there is the DA which has a little section of the map for your kind. Otherwise, get used to being bombed in a GV in the MA.
Ack-Ack, lol, I don't bomb. If you look at my score, you would see that. I'll hit a town every now and then, but I don't bomb anything of value. As to the GV thing, then it would be perfectly acceptable to bomb them in that circumstance. You go on and on about how we GV'ers have the tools to defend ourselfs (when the maxiumum effective range of the flacks are around 1.5k and its not uncommon for aircraft to fly above that), and then say that GV's stormed the field. YOU had the tools to prevent that, but clearly you failed to use them either in an effective manner or in a wide enough application.
The object of the game is to kill the other guy, why are you trying to deny someone that right whether they do it in a plane or GV? If you're red you are a viable target and will end up dead.
So you wouldn't care if every country started a bombing campain and succceeded in killing all the hangers along frontline bases?
To some killing the red guys is fun, to some it's fighting and to others it's killing, fighting and pissing the other guy off.
I said the solution is simple, not the act itself. The tools provided by HiTech make it possible for GVs to defend themselves from air attack. It's not my fault that you refuse to use these options that have been readily provided to you but I guess your kind find if far easier to whine and cry instead of actually having to use what has been provided to you. Whether or not you're successful in using these tools depends on a lot of factors but the fact remains there are options available to you without having to whine about getting a special area in the MA.
I use flacks.... when using them will do some good. If we have high carpet bombers, then I'm not going to bother upping a flack that will serve no purpose. You would know that if you bothered paying attention or reasoning things out, but I guess its far easier to flame and be a devils advocate on the BB's.
Gee...life is tough when you have to actually fight to survive.
And you were proven wrong but a lot depends on the skills of those providing CAP over the tank battle. I'm sure with your squadron what you say is most likely true and would be useless to provide CAP but if a better squadron with more skilled flyers would actually have a better chance of being able to protect your tanks. Yes, you'll still probably lose one or two but at least you won't get your entire attacking force entirely wiped out.
lol, you arogant tard. YOU couldn't stop a fighter with a greater top speed starting co-alt either. It CAN'T be done, regardless of how good you imagine yourself to be
So, I guess your claim about playing to enjoy the fight isn't really true since you don't want planes to attack you.
I guess you can't see that bombing GV's in a way that gives them little to no chance of hitting back isn't really FIGHTING. But I guess for you, its a fight so long as someone takes a hit, regardless of how its done.
Kvuo, part og GV'ing is being aleart for ambushes. IMO, one of the best fights is breaking a good ambush.
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You go on and on about how we GV'ers have the tools to defend ourselfs (when the maxiumum effective range of the flacks are around 1.5k and its not uncommon for aircraft to fly above that),
Wrong.
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Ok they CAN be effective beyond that range, but its not realistic to expect enough hits to kill the attacking aircraft before he realeases his bombs, depending on how low he wants to get.
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Ok they CAN be effective beyond that range, but its not realistic to expect enough hits to kill the attacking aircraft before he realeases his bombs, depending on how low he wants to get.
risk v reward, I wont go near a flak unless I have a diversion.
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risk v reward, I wont go near a flak unless I have a diversion.
I take my chances when i am about 3k, i drop my ords.
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Ok they CAN be effective beyond that range, but its not realistic to expect enough hits to kill the attacking aircraft before he realeases his bombs, depending on how low he wants to get.
All you need is one hit.
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Ever get the feeling you're beating your head bloody against yee ol' 'brick wall of ignorance' when you try to reason with certain people?
GV's are a secondary point in AHII. Use your GV skills to take a base, or grab a few of your friends and find another arena, you know, them green or purple ones. They are under populated, OR ooooooooo oooooooo this is a good one, or just go to the DA and you can have it out with your friends. Why does one need a new arena when tanks can barely get from spawn point to a base in any kind of reasonable time as it is. Will this new arena consist of a single sector? 1,1? 25mix25mi is quite large for a GVer.
I think they should make an arena where GV's don't exist, it's only fair if GV's get their own arena. Why are planes being excluded? I'm sad now. :cry
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Flackers being only a deterent ties into the risk vs reward thing. Once a plane has assesed the risk and deemed the reward as being worth it, then he's going to dive in, flack or no flack.
Larry, honestly how often do you get kills in a flacker beyond 1.5k? Whats is your targets speed on average?
And SEseph, you already have an aircraft arena. Its called the MA, as others have pointed out. The aircraft hold all the high cards, so GV's shouldn't really be able to affect your fights. On the otherhand, the inverse isn't true. Aircraft can completely shatter a GV fight, and if you up aircraft, then the GV's camp your spawn while you're fighting the enemy planes so you can bomb uninterupted.
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Larry, honestly how often do you get kills in a flacker beyond 1.5k? Whats is your targets speed on average?
I can honestly say Iv probably killed more planes out side of 1.5k then inside of it. Mainly because I played for years before the wirbel was introduced and learned how to used the ostwind.
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Could you stop a determined bomb tard? One that saw tracers and started jinking?
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It's besides point whether the GV can shoot down the AC. The point is that by being forced to fight the AC, the GV frequently gets screwed in the GV game. Even having an AC dive on you gives away your position, let alone any damage he may or may not do. Remaining concealed until one strikes is at least half the GV game, in my experience. Very different than air-versus-air, where concealment is not a factor.
Whether the dominance of AC is "realistic" or whether it is ok because AH is primarily a flight sim is besides the point (though both of these things are true). The point, in the end, is that if there is a significant number of people who are happy with GV-only, and willing to pay for it, and if it can be done without disturbing the main arena for the rest of the players, then why not?
Remember, none of us want to be in a position where we are insisting that others always "play our way", right? I am fine with current MA play; we are just asking for something extra, for those days when I just want a GV-on-GV experience.
TDeacon
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Once in a great while, I might go over and bomb maybe one person in a GV fight, but normally I just let the tank dweebs fight in peace, well, as peaceful as one can get shooting pixel shells at each other :salute