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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Goner on December 04, 2001, 08:58:00 AM
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see a lot of posts with tips to get a better FPS, but what is a good FPS ??
i get low 30's to mid/high 40's depending on the 'environment' ... using an AMD 1GHz with 512Mb and a GeForce2 MX with 32Mb and the 7.78 Detonators.
Goner
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what's the resolution and color depth? That's kinda important when talking about your framerate.
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45 fps pretty steady at 45 except thru smoke
C600 oc to 933
Vipper 770 Ultra 32 megs
4.02's Drivers
256 ram
monitor refresh rate 100
16 bit
Max Frame Rate Button ... set to 45
1280x1024
DX8.1
Next spring I'll buy the latest GeForce
sprint
[ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: sprint ]
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Originally posted by Nifty:
what's the resolution and color depth? That's kinda important when talking about your framerate.
1024x768 & 32bit color for desktop and AH.
Goner
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I get high 70's to low 80's most of the time, never below 50.
I think anything over 30 is fine, as long as it doesn't drop lower than mid 20's in crowds, smoke, clouds, over carriers, etc.
[ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: popeye ]
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"I get high 70's to low 80's most of the time, never below 50."
OMG. I wish!!!
Westy
(and I concur. mid 20's would be worst case. Actually anything lower than mid 30's impacts your gameplay. And anything below mid 20's and you're not even playing the same game.)
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I'd say Popeye pretty much nailed it.
I'm averaging in the 70's with low 90's and mid 60's depending on the graphic load at any given time.
ECS K7S5A
1.4 T-Bird
512 MB DDR
GeForce 2 Ultra/ 21.83 Drivers
SoundBlaster Live
98SE
DX 8.1
32Bit 1024x768 85Hz Refresh
[ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: aztec ]
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Goner, you're doing about what I'd expect from the MX card. Try getting some newer drivers though, it might help performance a little bit. Anyways, you're doing just fine for a 32mb card with low (relatively speaking) mem bandwidth.
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oh, and westy and others are right. as long as you're in the 30's, you're good to go.
Basically, as long as it's playable to you, you're ok. Anything more is just gravy on the taters. :)
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Don't listen to Nifty unless you are ready to swap drivers for hours if something breaks. Stick with the 7.78's unless something is horribly broken is my advice. You seem to be getting fine speed out of it now. Risking Experimental drivers could break something.
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Originally posted by Lephturn:
[QB]Don't listen to Nifty unless you are ready to swap drivers for hours if something breaks. [QB]
hehe ... :D
i actually tried a couple of the newer drivers some time back and had nothing but problems ; crashes, hangs, the works ...
so i went back to 6.50 and am slowly working my way up to see where it ends.
7.97 get good press too, i might try 'm
Goner
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Actually I've found out that older detonators work better / faster in old tech cards like GF2 MX.
I was running fps starting from 17fps (full blown up field and smoke) to 75fps (flying over arena without clouds, other players didn't affect fps much.) with my Elsa Gladiac MX + 1.4gig AMD + msi k7266pro2.
Now I got Leadtek GF3 Ti200 and fps never dips under 60, if v-sync is disabled fps hovers around 100 and even 200+ if looking at the clear sky.
The MX would have been _perfectly_ good for playing without the massive fps hit from smoke.. If HT would find a way to code the smoke so that it would be easyer for the cards, many people would be playing AH with much more lower-end systems.
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Anything over 35 fps and I have a hard time telling any difference.
My system gets 60 - 75 fps and drops to about 40 fps in smoke.
Tbird 1.3 Ghz @ 1313 Mhz
384 Mb PC 133 Ram
GF 2 Gts (32MB) using 21.83 drivers.
(I do agree with Leph though, you don't get much of a performance difference for the potential headaches the 21 and 22 series drivers bring. The later 7.xx series drivers have good performance and the fewest bugs. )
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I turned off clutter and get 50+ fps on my V5 5500 equipped dual 1 GHz P3. This is with x2 FSAA.
[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: qts ]
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Originally posted by Lephturn:
[QB]"Don't listen to Nifty unless you are ready to swap drivers for hours if something breaks"QB]
If you know how to use Win98 system tools correctly you can driver swap as much as you like. ;)
I always run regedit to export the registry and scanreg to back-up WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI in case the drivers FUBAR.
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System:
Pentium 3 800E
256 mb PC133 RAM
Soyo mb based on the Via Apollo pro chipset
Geforce 3 Gainward (sp?)
Latest det. drivers for vid card (stripped and reinstalled), latest MB drivers for AGP.
I probably average in the 40s, but it seems like this might be a bit low looking at some of the other systems. FPS seems to get better over time, with non smoke lows over an airfield in the upper 30s, smoke rates in the 20s to upper teens, and some high alt rates occasionally in the 60s. Going from a Geforce 1 ddr to the geforce 3 only seemed to net me about 7-10 fps. I can assume that my system is more CPU limited at 800mhz.
Charon
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After I dl'ed the newest Detonator XP drivers
I get 70-85fps...
once, in a huuuge low furball over an
all smoking field, the framerate dropped to 15fps. :eek: :mad:
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btw... I'm running a:
AMD XP 1600+ w. KT266-A Chipset
512Mb DDR Ram
Hercules GeForce II Ti
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.......on WindowsXP... ;)
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*shrugs* I went from the 7.xx drivers to some 12.xx drivers and got nothing but performance gains (in AH, I don't really look at FPS in Civ III ;)) I used to only use the Hercules drivers (it's a Herc Prophet II), then tried out newer detonators (at the time they were new) and framerates increased significantly in AH, and I didn't have any problems (instability, crashes, etc.)
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I get between 46 and 68 depending upon surroundings. About 27 thru smoke.
Athlon 1.33 G
Expo 8KHA+
512 MB PC-2100 DDR RAM
MSI (8831) GeForce2 Pro 64M
Hercules GTXP
Windows 98SE
Stock drivers for GeForce Pro
No overclock yet, but Im running under load 41 degess C, so I room dealing with temps. Got love that Taisol HS and fan!!! The 5 case fans dont hurt either! :)
Whoops! Forgot to explain. Im running 1600x1200 at 16 bit. I understand 32 bit did not enhance display much but going to 16 bit increased FR.
The visual display for me did not seem to change going from 32 bit to 16 bit.
[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: Swager ]
[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: Swager ]
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(http://users.kymp.net/cable130/ahss2.jpg)
This is.. With a cheap lowly Ti200 that is no good compared to Gf3 original :)
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Urgh double post
[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: Mr RiplEy ]
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AMD Athlon 900Mhz (o/cled to 1080Mhz)
FSB O/cled 216Mhz
512MB PC133 SDRAM (o/cled to 144mhz)
SB Live!
Voodoo5 5500 with last official drivers (o/cled to 180Mhz)
AH running at 1024x768x32bit
Desktop at 1024x768x16bit (actually increased fps)
System tends to get very unstable when CPU temp climbs above 44Deg Celcius- solved that by leaving my window open during these cold winter months (will find better solution when it's neccessary)..
I average 60frames per second, it gets down to mid 20s in over a large airfield with everything smoking and lots of people flying around vulching/taking off/crashing/bombing/shooting.
Swager, there is a definite visual quality difference between 16 and 32 bit. It's more washed out and bigger variations in terrain/plane/lighting coloring.
-SW
ps: by cold winter months, I mean 60s- it hasn't actually gotten cold around Washington, DC yet.
[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
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1600x1200 32 res I stay pegged at 60fps (older 21"monitor)in all conditions.
Abit TH7II mobo
P4 1.8Ghz
512 PC800 RDRAM
GeForce 3 23.11 drivers
SoundBlaster Live
3COM905Btx NIC
Adaptec 2940UW
Quantum Viking 10k HD
Plextor Ultraplex and Plexwriter
Saitek X36 HOTAS
CH ProPedals USB
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I'm getting 60-80 frames constant, never drops below 50 while running at 1024x768x32
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Compaq Presario
PIII 1.2GHz
128MB RAM
Voodoo 5 5500 PCI 64M
Windows Millenium Edition
x3dfx 3rd Party Drivers for win32 OS's
(The reason I get great performance is because the 3rd Party Drivers for the Voodoo 5 5500 has a Force Triple Buffer in when using DirectX. I don't use Anti-Aliasing either. AA Doesn't help much at that resolution anyways.)
I recommend everybody to find a tweak for their video card that will force Triple Buffering in DirectX and OpenGL modes. Triple Buffering uses more of the video card's DDR RAM (i.e. Voodoo 5's is 64MB) to dramatically increase performance, and the memory saved in the video card will delete when your computer is shut down. The best place to find tweaks for video cards is Voodoo Files (http://www.voodoofiles.com) ;)
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I really don't understand how you can watch a flickering 21" screen at 60hz!
I get a headache from 5 minutes.
Have you tried lowering res to 1280x1024 and setting refresh to 85? Might be much more pleasant to play.