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Title: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 12, 2010, 11:17:34 PM
HiTech, could you please disable the windows button in game???  I get really frustrated when I accidentally hit it and the screen jumps to desktop.  Usually that means crash or an easy kill for whoever is flying around in the area.  Just let us disable the  thing.  Hardly anyone uses it in game anyway.  

If you have a MS cert keyboard, tear that button off.  It doesn't do any good, and tends to screw ya if you happen to touch it.  Mine just went in the trash, and am sealing the hole with Gorilla tape.  It'd be nice if that button didn't bend ya over a barrell for no reason.

For the people that are gonna flame me and say "Just be more careful"...  Try my keyboard.  

I could go out and buy another, but why should I have to?  Just disable the thing in the coad.  It serves no function anyway, (aside from causing a crash.).

NO player imput should cause an uncontrolled crash to desktop or a disco.  

Someone inevitably will say "Map your keys."  

Ya can't map the Windows key in most cases.  

EDIT: Could you make it so INDIVIDUAL players can disable the win. button on their keyboards?  If that's not possible, I understand.  It's annoying as heck not having control of that.



 

Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: Imowface on August 12, 2010, 11:23:11 PM
Think of it as, Pilot error  :D
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 12, 2010, 11:25:30 PM
No, it's an oversight that needs fixed.  I can accidentally tap just about every button with no adverse effects.  THAT button is almost instant death.  It makes no sense.  If there's a reason that the button can't be disabled, I'd understand.  

I understand that you were trying to make light of the situation, but damm...  That button REALLY ticks me off.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: gyrene81 on August 12, 2010, 11:29:43 PM
Why would you want HiTech to address a Microsoft programming issue? Call Microsoft and see if there is a way to disable that function in Windblowz.

Oh wait, 5 seconds for a google search and voila:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/216893 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/216893)


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HebHJGR5JjI/SaIHopS8uUI/AAAAAAAAAWs/EeSvJd5QZg0/s320/Easy+button.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 12, 2010, 11:33:14 PM
Why would you want HiTech to address a Microsoft programming issue? Call Microsoft and see if there is a way to disable that function in Windblowz.

Ugh...  HiTech has control of key mapping and function for AH.  MS would never disable a function that they designed (look at Vista).  Not only that, but the key does serve a purpose outside of the game.  I just want the darn thing to be disabled IN GAME.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 12, 2010, 11:36:35 PM
Like I said...  Flame away.  The easy button pic is a load of crap.  It's an easy fix and would allieviate an issue with the game.  Why would you be against that Gyrene?
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: gyrene81 on August 12, 2010, 11:44:37 PM
Like I said...  Flame away.  The easy button pic is a load of crap.  It's an easy fix and would allieviate an issue with the game.  Why would you be against that Gyrene?
Because it's not an AH problem. It's a Microsoft embedded function since Windows 95. I have that key disabled on my keyboard, I chose to buy the keyboard with it on there and I took the responsibility to fix it myself.

Did you even bother to read the Microsoft support link I provided?
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 12, 2010, 11:48:07 PM
Yes, I did.  Only issue is that I have used that function at times.  Why should I have to give up a feature that I PAID for when it can be disabled in game?  Makes no sense.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: gyrene81 on August 12, 2010, 11:50:32 PM
Yes, I did.  Only issue is that I do use that function at times.  Why should I have to give up a feature that I PAID for when it can be disabled in game?  Makes no sense.
Name one other game that you have installed that has it disabled and I'll agree with you?

You ever write a program? Ever try to override an OS built in function, especially one that is tied to a piece of hardware?
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 12, 2010, 11:53:45 PM
Name one other game that you have installed that has it disabled and I'll agree with you?

You ever write a program? Ever try to override an OS built in function, especially one that is tied to a piece of hardware?

Only simple ones.  There's almost always a work-around though.  Are you saying that you'd like to keep it this way and have people that play the game minimize just because they accidentally touched a button?
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 12, 2010, 11:58:20 PM
Didn't think so.

EDIT:  BTW, this is the only game I play.  I couldn't care less about any other (on PC).
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: gyrene81 on August 13, 2010, 12:11:01 AM
Only simple ones.  There's almost always a work-around though.  Are you saying that you'd like to keep it this way and have people that play the game minimize just because they accidentally touched a button?
I have 3 versions of CoD, Civ3, Civ4, Medieval2 Total War and Rome Total War, none of those have it disabled in the code. All I'm saying is there was a choice in what keyboard to buy and there is a choice in whether or not to disable it. It is not HTC's responsibility to fix it for you.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 12:17:24 AM
I have 3 versions of CoD, Civ3, Civ4, Medieval2 Total War and Rome Total War, none of those have it disabled in the code. All I'm saying is there was a choice in what keyboard to buy and there is a choice in whether or not to disable it. It is not HTC's responsibility to fix it for you.

And this is the wishlist.  I think you've forgotten that. 

I don't care one bit about how much time you spend plastered to your computer.  I was asking for something simple. 

Answer me this...  Why are you against something that'd make the game better?
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: gyrene81 on August 13, 2010, 12:27:04 AM
Answer me this...  Why are you against something that'd make the game better?
Exactly how is it going to improve the game?

Change the flight models? Change the radar settings? Update plane graphics? Add new aircraft or vehicles?


And I never said anything about being "plastered to my computer". I just listed the games I have installed, nothing more. Don't make ASSumptions.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 12:30:08 AM
Exactly how is it going to improve the game?

Change the flight models? Change the radar settings? Update plane graphics? Add new aircraft or vehicles?

It'd alleviate unintentional crunched planes because you hit a button.  Why is that so hard to understand? 

If you give me ONE reason why the Windows button needs to be a factor in game then I'll shut up.  Otherwise, you're just making a fool of yourself.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 12:33:15 AM
Oh, and I didn't make any assumptions.  You've been flaming alot of people lately.  I never expected anything constructive out of you.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: gyrene81 on August 13, 2010, 12:51:55 AM
Think of it as, Pilot error  :D
Does that give you any indication as to how much of a problem it actually is? Doesn't seem to be any others expressing a problem with it. But I'll concede, if you think it's a problem that HTC should fix then let HTC fix it.

Sorry if you think pointing out the obvious is a flame but...if the shoe fits.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 12:53:30 AM
Does that give you any indication as to how much of a problem it actually is? Doesn't seem to be any others expressing a problem with it. But I'll concede, if you think it's a problem that HTC should fix then let HTC fix it.

Sorry if you think pointing out the obvious is a flame but...if the shoe fits.

Again, can you give me a reason why it shouldn't be disabled?

Imowface was just having fun.  You're being unreasonable to a fair request.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: jimson on August 13, 2010, 12:59:49 AM
I often use the button to go to desktop when I am AFK or when I am doing something in game offline and need to look something up for arena settings etc.

I don't doubt that others may have a problem with it but I have big old fat fingers and have never hit the button by mistake, so for me personally -1.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: gyrene81 on August 13, 2010, 01:02:58 AM
Again, can you give me a reason why it shouldn't be disabled?
I already gave you several reasons but you're choosing to ignore them.

If HiTech comes into the forums tomorrow and replies to this thread that he will fix it, then all is good in your world. I don't believe it's HiTech's responsibility since it really has nothing to do with Aces High, every other key that can be assigned to a function has been assigned. Have you asked yourself why they would leave that key out if it's been on all Microsoft certified keyboards for the past 10 years? The answer is obvious to me, but I guess I just don't have the brains to see it differently.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 01:03:46 AM
I often use the button to go to desktop when I am AFK or when I am doing something in game offline and need to look something up for arena settings etc.

I don't doubt that others may have a problem with it but I have big old fat fingers and have never hit the button by mistake, so for me personally -1.

I don't doubt that you haven't had a prob with it, but alt-tab does the same thing.  You have to be deliberate with that, rather than accidentally hitting a button that's less than an inch from the spacebar.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 01:07:01 AM
I already gave you several reasons but you're choosing to ignore them.

If HiTech comes into the forums tomorrow and replies to this thread that he will fix it, then all is good in your world. I don't believe it's HiTech's responsibility since it really has nothing to do with Aces High, every other key that can be assigned to a function has been assigned. Have you asked yourself why they would leave that key out if it's been on all Microsoft certified keyboards for the past 10 years? The answer is obvious to me, but I guess I just don't have the brains to see it differently.

No, you gave NO valid reasons.  All you want to do now is save face.  That button is no different than any other input.  It just needs to be one that can be disabled.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 01:13:48 AM
I already gave you several reasons but you're choosing to ignore them.

If HiTech comes into the forums tomorrow and replies to this thread that he will fix it, then all is good in your world. I don't believe it's HiTech's responsibility since it really has nothing to do with Aces High, every other key that can be assigned to a function has been assigned. Have you asked yourself why they would leave that key out if it's been on all Microsoft certified keyboards for the past 10 years? The answer is obvious to me, but I guess I just don't have the brains to see it differently.

Just to clarify...    So HiTech has NO control or issue with the key mapping???  

When they made it so we could map keys to specific controllers, keyboards, views, so all of us could play the game as we can to the best of our ability, this wish isn't relevant?

Wake up.  This is their business and I doubt YOU run it for them.  
AGAIN...  This is the wishlist.  If you really feel like you have to argue, go to Gen. Discussion.  
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 01:29:05 AM
I'm not saying disable it as a whole (as you think).  I just want it to be a feature that CAN be disabled.


Again...  WISHLIST. 
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: oTRALFZo on August 13, 2010, 03:05:55 AM
Easy solution.
Pop the key out. If you need to get to windows while you play, you can still stick your pinky finger there to activate it.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: bustr on August 13, 2010, 03:35:56 AM
You can do it yourself. Googling is so not fun isn't it?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/216893

To disable the Windows key, follow these steps:
 
Click Start, click Run, type regedt32, and then click OK.
On the Windows menu, click HKEY_LOCAL_ MACHINE on Local Machine.
Double-click the System\CurrentControlSet\Control folder, and then click the Keyboard Layout folder.
On the Edit menu, click Add Value, type in Scancode Map, click REG_BINARY as the Data Type, and then click OK.
Type 00000000000000000300000000005 BE000005CE000000000 in the Data field, and then click OK.
Close Registry Editor and restart the computer.

To enable the Windows key, follow these steps:
 
Click Start, click Run, type regedt32, and then click OK.
On the Windows menu, click HKEY_LOCAL_ MACHINE on Local Machine.
Double-click the System\CurrentControlSet\Control folder, and then click the Keyboard Layout folder.
Right-click the Scancode Map registry entry, and then click Delete. Click Yes.
Close Registry Editor and restart the computer.

Don't know if you have Win7 but.

Here is another one: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/75295-windows-key-enable-disable.html

Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 03:38:58 AM
Easy solution.
Pop the key out. If you need to get to windows while you play, you can still stick your pinky finger there to activate it.

That's already done.  I certainly didn't deserve the response (with pic) for a reasonable request.  It's not like I asked for an HO229.  Gyrene has made a name for himself belittling people on the Wishlist, and I'm not one to run away and hide in a corner.  It's a simple fix with another viable option (alt-tab).  I'd like to keep my keyboard intact, AND have the option to disable the Win key.

I don't feel that his derogatory opinion was necessary.  It's not his job to shoot down the opinion of others.  Unfortunately, we have some that want to force their opinions on others constantly, without regard to the fact that there's another human being on the other end.  If I had screamed:  "HITECH GIVE ME AN F-16 SO I CAN PWN ALL TEH NOOBZ!"  I'd understand.  Fact is, it was a legit wish and concern on my end.  He had no right or authority to shoot it down.  
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 03:42:38 AM
You can do it yourself. Googling is so not fun isn't it?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/216893

To disable the Windows key, follow these steps:
 
Click Start, click Run, type regedt32, and then click OK.
On the Windows menu, click HKEY_LOCAL_ MACHINE on Local Machine.
Double-click the System\CurrentControlSet\Control folder, and then click the Keyboard Layout folder.
On the Edit menu, click Add Value, type in Scancode Map, click REG_BINARY as the Data Type, and then click OK.
Type 00000000000000000300000000005 BE000005CE000000000 in the Data field, and then click OK.
Close Registry Editor and restart the computer.

To enable the Windows key, follow these steps:
 
Click Start, click Run, type regedt32, and then click OK.
On the Windows menu, click HKEY_LOCAL_ MACHINE on Local Machine.
Double-click the System\CurrentControlSet\Control folder, and then click the Keyboard Layout folder.
Right-click the Scancode Map registry entry, and then click Delete. Click Yes.
Close Registry Editor and restart the computer.

Don't know if you have Win7 but.

Here is another one: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/75295-windows-key-enable-disable.html



I already know how to disable it in Windows.  I just want an option to map the key to nothing.  That way it still functions outside of AH (without mutilating my keyboard, or going through all of that every time I want to fly) .   Ever wonder why I posted it here instead of the Microsoft tech forum?

 This is the Wishlist, and for the 3rd or 4th time in 6 years, I made a request.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: gyrene81 on August 13, 2010, 10:12:16 AM
You are one obstinent Jager.  :salute If my pointing out the obvious to you makes you feel belittled, talk to your psychologist.

Working under the assumption that you have not used any web search engine to alleviate your issue (and it is your issue), I've done the work for you and found a way that you can be responsible for fixing your issue without shifting the responsibility to someone else, and possibly causing others to experience issues with not being able to use the windows logo key the way they want. I really was hoping you had the gumption to take matters into your own hands and do some web searching for a solution, but I'm guessing that is not going to be the case so I'll spoon feed it to you.

I realize you want to maintain functionality of the Windows logo key and disabling it is not something you want to do, however I'm going to toss something at you that you probably do not want to acknowledge but here it is...just as you told Jimson to use the ALT+TAB key combo to minimize AH...you do not need the Windows logo key to be functional in order to activate the start menu in Windows, CTRL+ESC performs the exact same function as the Windows logo key.

If you are not comfortable editing your registry to disable that key or remap it to another key, I found 2 little applets people created for free use that give you a nice little GUI to remap or disable keys on your keyboard.
KeyTweak keyboard mapper (http://webpages.charter.net/krumsick/)

Sharpkeys keyboard mapper (http://www.randyrants.com/2008/12/sharpkeys_30.html)

You will want to get a backup of your registry, just in case. They are virus free and in Windows 7 will need to be run "as administrator". Before you install either, be sure to read the FAQ/Readme/Manual for them so you can make an informed decision.

I would point out exactly how easy it was, but...I'll refrain.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AWwrgwy on August 13, 2010, 10:25:23 AM
I'm no programmer but I always though it was an issue regarding one of two things:

1. a game programmer cannot disable the windows key because it is part of your OS?

OR

2. If they disable the windows key for you, what if I want to use the windows key?

I don't know.

I always figured it was like gyrene81 said, no one else does it.  Think there may be a reason no other game programmers disable it?

Personally, I've never had this problem.  Either I don't hit that key or it doesn't do anything.  Even when I hit it on purpose, after a BSD to find my cursor, it doesn't seem to do anything half the time.

Wish away all you want but look at "negative" responses not so much as "no, they shouldn't do this" but more as "this may be a possibility" why this won't be done.


wrongway
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: milesobrian on August 13, 2010, 11:07:49 AM
Ive seen it once or twice in a game that disables the windows key the name of which escapes me at the moment, but yea no one needs a windows key its just another stupid microsoft gimmick. 

alt tab for the win, you need to press two buttons at once so its much less likly that you will hit it by accident.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: Jayhawk on August 13, 2010, 11:33:19 AM
While they're at it, the switch on my power strip is right by my feet, can HTC disable it in game as well...
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: bagrat on August 13, 2010, 11:33:50 AM
yea i hate my windows key, particularly because its right next to my zoom button (which i would rather not re-map). i think about just gettin a fork an poppin the button out and burning it in my back yard.  BURN IT!.....that or wedging a black cat under it an blowin that sucker out, nothin too drastic
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 13, 2010, 12:15:33 PM
Why are you against something that'd make the game better?

Because this will hardly improve game play in any fashion.  There are more viable solutions than HiTech having the difficult task of having to code this function out of the game. 

As I mentioned there are numerous solutions to this problem.  You can get a keyboard that has a function to disable the Windows key (like the Logitech keyboards or any other gaming keyboard), edit the registry, physically remove the Windows key or use a program like AutoHotKey.  AutoHotKey allows you to set up short cuts for programs that will disable the Windows key while you run that program.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 12:48:46 PM
Ive seen it once or twice in a game that disables the windows key the name of which escapes me at the moment, but yea no one needs a windows key its just another stupid microsoft gimmick. 

alt tab for the win, you need to press two buttons at once so its much less likly that you will hit it by accident.

I've seen it that way as well.  That's why i'd like to see it that way in AH.  As for downloading a program (as suggested) to remap the KB, yeah it's possible and not all that difficult. 

I'd be willing to bet that the majority of players on AH use the KB that came with their Win based PC.  Disabling that button (in game only) would be of benefit to all who use these types of KB's.  That would make their gameplay experience better by alleviating a common problem of accidentally touching it.

It serves a function that's already mapped to other keys, so my personal opinion is that we'd be better off without it. 

Come to think of it, this should probably be in the Hardware section.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: grizz441 on August 13, 2010, 12:53:35 PM
The windows key, as in, the button on the keyboard that saves the user so much time by automatically clicking the start button for him?  And one button is not enough says Microsoft, two are needed!  Here's the best advice I can give regarding those windows keys on your keyboard:

(http://www.fusionheadquarters.com/images/tools_hardware/grozing_pliers.jpg)

/thread
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: gyrene81 on August 13, 2010, 12:58:04 PM
I've seen it that way as well.  That's why i'd like to see it that way in AH.  As for downloading a program (as suggested) to remap the KB, yeah it's possible and not all that difficult. 

I'd be willing to bet that the majority of players on AH use the KB that came with their Win based PC.  Disabling that button (in game only) would be of benefit to all who use these types of KB's.  That would make their gameplay experience better by alleviating a common problem of accidentally touching it.

It serves a function that's already mapped to other keys, so my personal opinion is that we'd be better off without it. 

Come to think of it, this should probably be in the Hardware section.
On that note, do you think HTC should take the time to program a disable function or remap function for the "power" and "sleep" keys that come standard with some computers and are in positions where they can be accidentally pushed? The last keyboard I had there was a power key right over the backspace and I hit it more than once "accidentally"...it worked exactly as it was supposed to, powered down my system while I was in game.

Perhaps I should have asked HTC to disable it in AH instead of me taking the responsibility to disable it myself.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 01:06:41 PM
On that note, do you think HTC should take the time to program a disable function or remap function for the "power" and "sleep" keys that come standard with some computers and are in positions where they can be accidentally pushed? The last keyboard I had there was a power key right over the backspace and I hit it more than once "accidentally"...it worked exactly as it was supposed to, powered down my system while I was in game.

Perhaps I should have asked HTC to disable it in AH instead of me taking the responsibility to disable it myself.  :rolleyes:

I'm willing to bet that the Win button is slightly more common than your example.

Grizz, I did yank the thing out. 
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: grizz441 on August 13, 2010, 01:08:44 PM
I'm willing to bet that the Win button is slightly more common than your example.

Grizz, I did yank the thing out. 

So did I.  They serve zero purpose.  I have to scroll over to my start button and click my mouse button, oh the humanity Microsoft!!
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 01:10:29 PM
Gyrene, I apologize for being a bit short with you.  It's something that had me pretty ticked off.  
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: gyrene81 on August 13, 2010, 01:29:53 PM
Gyrene, I apologize for being a bit short with you.  It's something that had me pretty ticked off.  
Ya know, there was never a need to apologize.  :salute  I tend to see things and present my view of them from different aspects than other people. In most cases when I appear to be flaming someone or harsh, it's generally part good natured ribbing and part "you can't be serious".

In the case of this keyboard issue, I looked at the keyboard mapping layout in AH and it is based off a standard 101 key keyboard, no extraneous keys are included in the GUI nor anywhere in the settings files. That means the key is not even recognized in AH as having a function. To do anything with it in AH, would be a bit more complex than just a simple remap setting like the rest of the keys.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: prono on August 13, 2010, 01:35:02 PM
You can create two reg files to dissable and enable winkey. Click one before you run the game and other when you finish. You can even combine them into one batch.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 02:58:31 PM
Because this will hardly improve game play in any fashion.  There are more viable solutions than HiTech having the difficult task of having to code this function out of the game. 

As I mentioned there are numerous solutions to this problem.  You can get a keyboard that has a function to disable the Windows key (like the Logitech keyboards or any other gaming keyboard), edit the registry, physically remove the Windows key or use a program like AutoHotKey.  AutoHotKey allows you to set up short cuts for programs that will disable the Windows key while you run that program.


ack-ack

Ack-Ack, I know it wouldn't "improve" gameplay.  It would remove something that's detrimental to gameplay though.  In my mind, removing something detrimental is akin to improvement. 
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 02:59:18 PM
While they're at it, the switch on my power strip is right by my feet, can HTC disable it in game as well...

That's just being facetious.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 13, 2010, 03:02:01 PM
Ack-Ack, I know it wouldn't "improve" gameplay.  It would remove something that's detrimental to gameplay though.  In my mind, removing something detrimental is akin to improvement. 

It's not detrimental to game play at all, except in your mind.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 03:05:38 PM
Ya know, there was never a need to apologize.  :salute  I tend to see things and present my view of them from different aspects than other people. In most cases when I appear to be flaming someone or harsh, it's generally part good natured ribbing and part "you can't be serious".

In the case of this keyboard issue, I looked at the keyboard mapping layout in AH and it is based off a standard 101 key keyboard, no extraneous keys are included in the GUI nor anywhere in the settings files. That means the key is not even recognized in AH as having a function. To do anything with it in AH, would be a bit more complex than just a simple remap setting like the rest of the keys.

I hate it when I lose my temper and don't follow my own rule...  

"If posting while angry, re-read your post, count to ten, then delete said post.  Try again after a cool-off period."

I'm unsure of what it'd take to re-write the keyboard format in AH (I'm a network guy), but I do think that there should be a way to disable it.  I know that it's low priority, and fairly insignificant.  I just HATE that button.

Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 03:08:08 PM
It's not detrimental to game play at all, except in your mind.


ack-ack

So, you're saying that it's not detrimental to the game experience when you lawn dart because a button was pressed accidentally?  The win button serves no purpose in game.  It's redundant at best, flippin stupid at worst. 
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: Ghosth on August 13, 2010, 03:13:54 PM
Or you could take a slightly different hardware approach.

Pop off the left windows key, glue it so it can't depress, wait till the glue hardens, replace the key.

As noted above you can still control esc to get the same function, or use the right win key which for some reason doesn't seem to be as bad.

Any way you want to do it, its on your hardware, so its your responsibility.
No point in getting angry about it, or expecting someone else to fix it.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 03:18:21 PM
Or you could take a slightly different hardware approach.

Pop off the left windows key, glue it so it can't depress, wait till the glue hardens, replace the key.

As noted above you can still control esc to get the same function, or use the right win key which for some reason doesn't seem to be as bad.

Any way you want to do it, its on your hardware, so its your responsibility.
No point in getting angry about it, or expecting someone else to fix it.


That's actually the best solution I've heard. 
Now the hardware part of it...  Many games take various keyboard configurations into account.  It's just like AH recognizing the type of flightstick you have hooked up. 
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 13, 2010, 04:18:20 PM
So, you're saying that it's not detrimental to the game experience when you lawn dart because a button was pressed accidentally?  The win button serves no purpose in game.  It's redundant at best, flippin stupid at worst. 

It's inconvenient when it happens but it is in no way the responsibility of HTC to correct it.  It is not a design or function within Aces High, it is a design feature in the OS.  Other players (including myself) have already posted numerous ways of disabling the Windows key that you can do right now instead of waiting for HTC to decide whether or not they want to add a feature to disable something in the OS that they are not responsible for.

I decided to go the route of using a Logitech G15 keyboard that has a function to enable or disable the Windows key on the fly, some others have opted for the registry method and some the more extreme method of removing the key.  Since you already removed the key from the keyboard it really isn't a problem anymore is it?

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Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 04:26:36 PM
It's inconvenient when it happens but it is in no way the responsibility of HTC to correct it.  It is not a design or function within Aces High, it is a design feature in the OS.  Other players (including myself) have already posted numerous ways of disabling the Windows key that you can do right now instead of waiting for HTC to decide whether or not they want to add a feature to disable something in the OS that they are not responsible for.

I decided to go the route of using a Logitech G15 keyboard that has a function to enable or disable the Windows key on the fly, some others have opted for the registry method and some the more extreme method of removing the key.  Since you already removed the key from the keyboard it really isn't a problem anymore is it?

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Not for me, no.  I'm sure someone will experience the same frustration somewhere down the road though.  All in all, wouldn't it be better for it to be an option that can be disabled? 
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: bustr on August 13, 2010, 05:07:00 PM
So you are NOT using a stick and throttel arrangment which you can map the key or combination you miss and hit the windows key to either of those devices?

By the physical nature of an AirCombat SIM that's the most elegant personal solution. Unless this is really happening when you are typing text or using Ctrl or Alt in combination with another key for something else. But then all those functions except texting can be mapped to your controllers. I suspect that's HiTechs COADing solution to this problem. I use CH products so I only touch the keyboard for texting and if I need to shell out to the desktop with the "Windows Key".

Henry Ford said give them any color as long as it's Black. You must be related to that grand old contrarian.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 13, 2010, 05:44:30 PM
Not for me, no.  I'm sure someone will experience the same frustration somewhere down the road though.  All in all, wouldn't it be better for it to be an option that can be disabled? 

No, it's a waste of time and resources for HTC to fix something that isn't their responsibility.  In fact, I haven't even seen one single game that even has an option like this.


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Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: gyrene81 on August 13, 2010, 08:44:15 PM
No, it's a waste of time and resources for HTC to fix something that isn't their responsibility.  In fact, I haven't even seen one single game that even has an option like this.


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Must be an echo in here...  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 08:45:48 PM
So you are NOT using a stick and throttel arrangment which you can map the key or combination you miss and hit the windows key to either of those devices?

By the physical nature of an AirCombat SIM that's the most elegant personal solution. Unless this is really happening when you are typing text or using Ctrl or Alt in combination with another key for something else. But then all those functions except texting can be mapped to your controllers. I suspect that's HiTechs COADing solution to this problem. I use CH products so I only touch the keyboard for texting and if I need to shell out to the desktop with the "Windows Key".

Henry Ford said give them any color as long as it's Black. You must be related to that grand old contrarian.

My X-52 is fully mapped.  I don't have any more buttons that would fit that bill.  Henry ford was an innovator and a savvy businessman, so thank you.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 08:46:36 PM
No, it's a waste of time and resources for HTC to fix something that isn't their responsibility.  In fact, I haven't even seen one single game that even has an option like this.


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That's your opinion and that's fine.  As far as you telling me what HTC thinks is a waste of time...  Weak.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: uptown on August 13, 2010, 09:11:22 PM
Buy a stick and throttle and you'll never have to mess with the keyboard again.  :aok


For the most part anyway.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: uptown on August 13, 2010, 09:14:16 PM
My X-52 is fully mapped.  I don't have any more buttons that would fit that bill.  Henry ford was an innovator and a savvy businessman, so thank you.
Fully mapped in all 3 modes and you still have to use the keyboard? 
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 09:18:24 PM
Buy a stick and throttle and you'll never have to mess with the keyboard again.  :aok


For the most part anyway.

I've got an X-52.  Not great, but it works.  The situation in question happened while typing a message, so there's really no way around that one (aside from typing more accurately).  

My situation is fixed, as I have removed the button.  I'll be looking into different keyboards soon so I won't have to deal with it at all.  BTW Uptown, how'd ya like that storm this evening?  Nasty winds huh?
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 13, 2010, 09:19:17 PM
Fully mapped in all 3 modes and you still have to use the keyboard? 

For one reason or another I always forget that there's multiple modes.  Thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: bustr on August 14, 2010, 03:19:07 AM
Gents,

Even with Thrustmaster Throttel and Stick in AW, X36, X45 and X52 I never had the Windows Key problem and I've always had that key below my "Z" and left of my "Alt" and just below my "/". I think the OP owes us an explanation to what he is really doing or an admition that he is the FAT FINGER GOD from H3LL.

This is carp dingalling and he knows it.,
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: Chalenge on August 14, 2010, 03:25:31 AM
Jager... simplest solution. Buy the IBM 101 and never see that stupid key again. This is what Hitech does this is what I do... Im sure we arent the only ones. (the first google search return):

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=IBM+Keyboard+101&oe=&hl=en&cid=5120730218138834717&ei=s1JmTIbSDKGyNNP4xYcM&sa=title&ved=0CAcQ8wIwADgA#p
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 14, 2010, 05:00:45 PM
Gents,

Even with Thrustmaster Throttel and Stick in AW, X36, X45 and X52 I never had the Windows Key problem and I've always had that key below my "Z" and left of my "Alt" and just below my "/". I think the OP owes us an explanation to what he is really doing or an admition that he is the FAT FINGER GOD from H3LL.

This is carp dingalling and he knows it.,

Oddly enough, I'm a guitarist so "fat fingered" isn't an issue.  It happened, it ticked me off, it's over.  

The fact that you haven't experienced that is irrelevant.  It's the wishlist for a reason.  I "wish" that button could be disabled.  If it's not, no biggie.  I'll still pay my $15 and keep flyin my 'toon planes around.   I owe you no explanation.
Title: Re: Windows button.
Post by: AAJagerX on August 14, 2010, 05:01:34 PM
Jager... simplest solution. Buy the IBM 101 and never see that stupid key again. This is what Hitech does this is what I do... Im sure we arent the only ones. (the first google search return):

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=IBM+Keyboard+101&oe=&hl=en&cid=5120730218138834717&ei=s1JmTIbSDKGyNNP4xYcM&sa=title&ved=0CAcQ8wIwADgA#p

Yeah, i think I'll go the logitech route.  They look to have some good features.