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Title: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: AAJagerX on August 14, 2010, 07:19:39 PM
Eric Johnson's "Cliffs of Dover"?

I always seem to mess it all up at that first sweeping arpeggio (about 2 and a half minutes in).  Any advice or stories of how you got through this great but frustrating song?
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: 1Boner on August 14, 2010, 07:33:13 PM
I'll let you know, when I'm done messin with Nuno Bettencourts Flight of the Bumblebee. :rock
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: AAJagerX on August 14, 2010, 07:40:21 PM
I'll let you know, when I'm done messin with Nuno Bettencourts Flight of the Bumblebee. :rock

Make sure you have a fire extinguisher close.  Your pick hand will burn for an hour after that one.   :rock
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: 68ZooM on August 14, 2010, 10:44:50 PM
A great Guitar jam i really like is Green Grass and High Tides by the Outlaws, over 9 min song, well worth it to check it out, i had the Vinyl of it in 1977, it still rocks after 33 years  :rock
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: Killer91 on August 15, 2010, 12:02:30 AM
A great Guitar jam i really like is Green Grass and High Tides by the Outlaws, over 9 min song, well worth it to check it out, i had the Vinyl of it in 1977, it still rocks after 33 years  :rock

Over 20 mins when they play it live lol
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: ozrocker on August 15, 2010, 08:06:07 AM
Yep, is awesome live. Saw them open for Heart in 76 (?) Remember when trying to play that- there are 3 rhythm/ lead guitars. Not trying to play all 3 parts together I hope :rofl

                                                                                                        <S> Oz
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: branch37 on August 15, 2010, 10:32:06 AM
Im stuck in Joe Perry land as of recently.   :rock :rock
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: Mojava on August 15, 2010, 12:20:28 PM
 That' a tough tune Jager, good luck on it. Eric Johnson is a beast ! You have anything recorded that you can link on here?
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: phatzo on August 15, 2010, 09:37:05 PM
As my mind wanders back to my early twenties..........Remember guitar player magazine with the sound page that you could play on your turntable and follow along with the lesson of printed material as well. I'm sure "Cliffs of Dover" was one of them. It may help if you ever find one, or for that matter if you still have a turntable.
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: mechanic on August 15, 2010, 09:50:12 PM
I'll let you know, when I'm done messin with Nuno Bettencourts Flight of the Bumblebee. :rock


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN4FhBo5b9o

 :aok :rofl
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: alskahawk on August 15, 2010, 09:52:17 PM
 Never tried that one. It is a great song. He's a tone freak. Been stuck on Hendrix, Rory and Stevie for last ...

 Best way to learn a difficult piece is to work slow, one bar at a time.  "He would work for a week just to get a four note phrase down"..Don't rem who said that, but it was about some duffer named Clapton.

 Actually saw Outlaws last August. Green Grass still sounds great along w rest of their stuff.
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: curry1 on August 15, 2010, 09:53:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN4FhBo5b9o

 :aok :rofl
broken link/copyright issue
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: mechanic on August 15, 2010, 10:20:24 PM
Ahh it will be only UK as it's channel 4's youtube sorry.

Search for 'Black Books - Grand Deception' if interested in comedy.

Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: AAJagerX on August 15, 2010, 11:53:20 PM
That' a tough tune Jager, good luck on it. Eric Johnson is a beast ! You have anything recorded that you can link on here?

When I get it to a point that I wouldn't be embarrassed for others to hear it, I'll go ahead and record it.  Until then, I'll wallow in my frustration alone.  :D
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: AAJagerX on August 15, 2010, 11:55:08 PM
A great Guitar jam i really like is Green Grass and High Tides by the Outlaws, over 9 min song, well worth it to check it out, i had the Vinyl of it in 1977, it still rocks after 33 years  :rock

Yep, that is another one of the all time greats.
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: Plazus on August 16, 2010, 12:08:41 AM
Thread owned:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUij8FCg0z8&feature=related
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: Charge on August 16, 2010, 03:45:13 AM
Maybe this could be of help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8u2XRrnN9Y&feature=related

-C+
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: AAJagerX on August 16, 2010, 03:36:39 PM
Maybe this could be of help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8u2XRrnN9Y&feature=related

-C+

That kid's pretty dang good!  I noticed he had some issues at the same part as myself.  That song is a nightmare.
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: gpwurzel on August 17, 2010, 12:45:27 PM
Jaeger, found this on the net, might help you out fella.

http://www.songsterr.com/a/wa/song?trackPos=0&id=6701 (http://www.songsterr.com/a/wa/song?trackPos=0&id=6701)

Wurzel
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: Charge on August 17, 2010, 01:31:13 PM
Nice link Gary.  :aok

-C+
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: SEraider on August 17, 2010, 02:58:03 PM
It seems that this is simply an arpeggio on a minor scale so the the best thing that I was able to do is slow this song to 60-70 bpm (this song is about 100bpm), and concentrate on the sweep picking part and coordinate your fingers to release the note slightly after you pick it so it has not chord sound. 

I hope that answers your question.
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: AAJagerX on August 17, 2010, 04:01:27 PM
It seems that this is simply an arpeggio on a minor scale so the the best thing that I was able to do is slow this song to 60-70 bpm (this song is about 100bpm), and concentrate on the sweep picking part and coordinate your fingers to release the note slightly after you pick it so it has not chord sound. 

I hope that answers your question.

Ya, I've always had issues with sweep picking.  Left hand hits the right frets, right hand not so great.
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: AAJagerX on August 17, 2010, 04:09:05 PM
Jaeger, found this on the net, might help you out fella.

http://www.songsterr.com/a/wa/song?trackPos=0&id=6701 (http://www.songsterr.com/a/wa/song?trackPos=0&id=6701)

Wurzel

 It's slightly different in parts than the tab I've got, but that's great!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: morfiend on August 17, 2010, 06:03:01 PM
This guy is amazing,I dont like the music so much but his talent is unmistakable!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JievlWuWHNo&feature=related

 This may not be his best stuff,but it will lead you to some interesting guitar work.


    :salute
Title: Re: Guitarists, have you tried to play....
Post by: SEraider on August 17, 2010, 07:27:42 PM
Ya, I've always had issues with sweep picking.  Left hand hits the right frets, right hand not so great.

You have the technique, but not the coordination.  This does take time, perhaps 2-6 weeks.  Do the arpaggio at 60 bpm hitting quarter notes.  Speed is a non-factor in this excercise.

Then after you hit your quarter notes, move up to 1/8 notes (hitting a note between pings).  Then, 1/16th notes.  Once you have the 1/16 notes down, then move to 8 bpm up in increments until you confortably get to 120 bpm.  This could take 4-8 weeks so be patient. 

Concentrate on accuracy and coordination.  Then you will be able to do this song start-end with no issues.

 :salute