| Climb Rate [ref 1] 0 ft 5000 ft 10,000ft 15,000 ft 20,000 ft 25,000 ft 30,000 ft 3.67k ft/min 3.73k ft/min 3.7k ft/min 3.55k ft/min 3.27k ft/min 2.6k ft/min 1.96k ft/min |
| Top Speed * [ref 2] P-63A-1 P-47D-20 P-38J-15 P-51B-5 War Emergency Power 60"/3000 rpm 56"/2700 rpm 60"/3000 rpm 67"/3000 rpm Speed @ 10,000 ft 372 367 383 395 Speed @ 20,000 ft 397 401 414 411 Speed @ 25,000 ft 397 414 420 424 Speed @ 30,000 ft 389 423 417 433 |
I see lotsa stuff about what it COULD do, but not what it DID
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Yet another request from somebody who can't see past their nationalism.
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Yet another request from somebody who can't see past their nationalism.
I wouldn't fly it, but it would be great to have in the game, and you made a very good case for it here, I always enjoy when people actually put lots of thought into a wish and don't just think to them self's hey, lets ask HTC for a b29 again.
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Better to have nationalism than to complain about people that do.Nationalism is evil. Patriotism is good, but Nationalism should be opposed always.
Asking for it to be added when the US planeset is well rounded and many key aircraft that played major roles in WWII are still absent is absurd.It was flown only by the Soviets. It wouldn't fill out the U.S. plane set. Read more.
Nationalism is evil. Patriotism is good, but Nationalism should be opposed always.
As far as the P-63, it has practically no place in a WWII sim. The aircraft was a complete non-factor. Asking for it to be added when the US planeset is well rounded and many key aircraft that played major roles in WWII are still absent is absurd.
I really don't see this as an addition to the US plane set since it was used by the Soviets and it would compliment the existing Soviet plane set.
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If I remember correctly when the P-63 was discussed in the past it was noted that it did not "officially" see combat because it was given to the Russians to use exclusively in the fight against Japan that the soviets were expected to begin shortly after the defeat of Germany. How many people believe that Uncle Joe did exactly as he was told and only allowed the P-63 to be deployed in the far east?
If I remember correctly when the P-63 was discussed in the past it was noted that it did not "officially" see combat because it was given to the Russians to use exclusively in the fight against Japan that the soviets were expected to begin shortly after the defeat of Germany. How many people believe that Uncle Joe did exactly as he was told and only allowed the P-63 to be deployed in the far east?
Hop in the 39Q and have fun with it :)Guppy, that's pretty much all Vinkman flies.
Note: please do not hijack this thread with discussions of your pet or 'more worthy' aircraft. Those should be discussed in seperate threads. Thank you. :saluteSo we can't bring up other "pets" in your pet discussion? :lol I know you're tired of being caught low and slow in your favorite ride against the Spixteens and 190s, but honestly, the P-63 export version was mediocre at best. By the time it started being shipped out, the Russians had already started gaining air superiority with their own fighters.
Were all P-63s produced with the M4 capable of holding 58 rounds or was it just a subset of the A series? Also, would we be looking for the A or C series? The production numbers are pretty closely divided between these variants with the C having some engine upgrades and wing modifications.
While there are some P-39 experts in the area, does anyone know what the historical roll rate was on the P-39 and how it stacks up compared to what we have in game? The in game 39 seems to really suffer in roll rate when it is slow (<150). It almost helps when I get a flap shot out so I at least have good roll rate in one direction. :joystick:
Guppy, that's pretty much all Vinkman flies.LMAO here is another take...
So we can't bring up other "pets" in your pet discussion? :lol I know you're tired of being caught low and slow in your favorite ride against the Spixteens and 190s, but honestly, the P-63 export version was mediocre at best. By the time it started being shipped out, the Russians had already started gaining air superiority with their own fighters.
Yea I'll go with widewing's opinion.
If one considers 420 mph at 21,000 feet poor performance. Let's face it, 95% of all engagements in AH2 are below 20,000 feet.
The answer to the La-7 is the P-63A Kingcobra. Similar climb and low-level speed, but the P-63 is nearly as maneuverable as the FM-2. Add four .50 cal MGs and a 37mm cannon.
These two fighters would be very equal except that the La-7 could not afford to turn-fight with the P-63, and the P-63 has a big range advantage, plus the ability to haul a 500 pound bomb (or a drop tank).
So, how fast does the P-63A climb? Well, for comparison, let's look at the F6F-5. It requires 7.7 minutes to climb to 15,000 feet. In contrast, the P-63A can get to 25,000 feet in 7.3 minutes! The P-51D requires near twice as long (13 minutes) to reach 30,000 feet.
When the Soviets first began flying the P-63, they found the tail to be weaker than that of the P-39. Bell developed a kit for strengthening the tail and Bell technicians made field modifications to those planes in service. That change was immediately incorporated into the production line as well.
Pilots who flew the P-63, and had time in the other major U.S. types, generally agreed that the P-63 was far and away the best performer at low to medium altitudes. Not surprising, the pilots flying it at the Joint Fighter Conference differed from rave reviews to outright dislike (the only thing the JFC ever proved was that every monkey prefers his own banana).
Since more than 3,300 P-63s were built, and it saw combat (with the Free French and Soviets) in far greater numbers than the F4U-1C or Ta 152H, I think it would be an excellent candidate for inclusion in the AH2 plane-set someday.
My regards,
Widewing
Damn... I knew it was too soon to pack up my P-39/63 book.
If I remember correctly the P-39 wasn't known for having a stellar rate of roll. I'm in the process of moving over the next few weeks and if you're still interested shoot me a PM early next month and I'll be happy to go back and check and see if I can find anything.
This point always starts a lot of controversy, because of the assumptions and rumors around P-63 use in lieu of hard evidence. But since the P-63 significance and use, or lack there of, by the soviets is always the reason given for non-inclusion, I will contribute the one piece of hard evidence I could find.
In "Attack of the Airacobras" by Dimitri Loza [ don't have it handy, so I'll edit and add Page ref later] he Chronicles the use of the Bell aircraft against the Germans on the eastern front, mostly the P-39. The book quotes from fighter pilot Alexander Pokryshkin, and records showing periodic squadron strengths of operational aircraft, which at one point in 1944 for squadrons fighting on the Eastern front, shows the P-63 is listed as making up 45% operational aircraft in the squad, and the P-39 making up the rest. Best I could find so far.