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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Muzzy on August 19, 2010, 10:23:42 PM
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We have aircraft from every major combatant except the French. Surrender Monkey gags notwithstanding, there are a couple of aircraft that might warrant consideration.
(From Wikipedia)
Dewoitine D.520
* Maximum speed: 540 km/h (289 kn, 332 mph)
* Range: 1,250 km (675 nmi, 777 mi)
* Service ceiling: 10,000 m (33,000 ft)
* Rate of climb: 14.3 m/s (2,820 ft/min)
* Wing loading: 167 kg/m² (34.2 lb/ft²)
* Power/mass: 257 W/kg (0.156 hp/lb)
* Guns:
o 1 × 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404 (60-round drum) cannon
o 4 × 7.5 mm (0.295 in) MAC 1934 (675 rpg) machine guns
Bloch MB. 150
* Crew: one, pilot
* Length: 9.10 m (29 ft 10 in)
* Wingspan: 10.54 m (34 ft 7 in)
* Height: 3.20 m (9 ft 11 in)
* Wing area: 17.32 m² (186 ft²)
* Empty weight: 2,158 kg (4,758 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 2,800 kg (6,173 lb)
* Powerplant: 1× Gnome-Rhône 14N-25 radial engine, 757 kW (1,030 hp)
* Maximum speed: 515 km/h (274 kn, 315 mph)
* Range: 600 km (324 nmi, 373 mi)
* Service ceiling: 10,000 m (32,810 ft)
* Rate of climb: 590 m/min (1,935 ft/min)
Armament
* 2 × 20 mm Hispano 404 cannons (60-round drum) and 2 × 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns (675 rpg) or
* 4 × MAC 1934s
In 1944 a variant of this aircraft was fitted with a Pratt & Whitney R-1830 for use by the Free French.
-Muzzy
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Wow, and I thought you needed a paper bag over your head to fly the brewster. Ugly has been re-defined.
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All people would do in these planes is bail out.
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IAR 81c
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lol mash, where will they get info on it though?
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All people would do in these planes is bail out.
Read some history. You'll be in for a shock.
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lol mash, where will they get info on it though?
I doubt it was easier to get good data on the DR.I ;)
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Read some history. You'll be in for a shock.
Did they fly backwards?
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no, just downwards... fast
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no, just downwards... fast
Cracks me up reading posts from people that are so utterly clueless, than you for the laugh.
ack-ack
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We have aircraft from every major combatant except the French. Surrender Monkey gags notwithstanding, there are a couple of aircraft that might warrant consideration.
(From Wikipedia)
Dewoitine D.520
* Maximum speed: 540 km/h (289 kn, 332 mph)
* Range: 1,250 km (675 nmi, 777 mi)
* Service ceiling: 10,000 m (33,000 ft)
* Rate of climb: 14.3 m/s (2,820 ft/min)
* Wing loading: 167 kg/m² (34.2 lb/ft²)
* Power/mass: 257 W/kg (0.156 hp/lb)
* Guns:
o 1 × 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404 (60-round drum) cannon
o 4 × 7.5 mm (0.295 in) MAC 1934 (675 rpg) machine guns
Bloch MB. 150
* Crew: one, pilot
* Length: 9.10 m (29 ft 10 in)
* Wingspan: 10.54 m (34 ft 7 in)
* Height: 3.20 m (9 ft 11 in)
* Wing area: 17.32 m² (186 ft²)
* Empty weight: 2,158 kg (4,758 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 2,800 kg (6,173 lb)
* Powerplant: 1× Gnome-Rhône 14N-25 radial engine, 757 kW (1,030 hp)
* Maximum speed: 515 km/h (274 kn, 315 mph)
* Range: 600 km (324 nmi, 373 mi)
* Service ceiling: 10,000 m (32,810 ft)
* Rate of climb: 590 m/min (1,935 ft/min)
Armament
* 2 × 20 mm Hispano 404 cannons (60-round drum) and 2 × 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns (675 rpg) or
* 4 × MAC 1934s
In 1944 a variant of this aircraft was fitted with a Pratt & Whitney R-1830 for use by the Free French.
-Muzzy
Both planes would be great for the early war plane set and the D.520 would even be well suited for the MW arena and will probably see just as much use as the Brewster in the LW arenas.
I'd also like to see the P-36 Hawk. I know it's an US built plane but it did see extensive service with the French and with the Commonwealth countries and The Dutch East Indies air force, oh and can't forget the Finns.
ack-ack
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the only clueless person here was you, to that joke, all I see you do is try and set yourself above everyone like your better then us, your not that special. I will be honest, no I don't know much about french planes, would I take the time to learn sometime? yes, did I hop on the bandwagon of making fun of french stuff just now? yes, will ack ack ever be content with something anyone else but himself posts? I will give it hope but probably not
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D520 :aok Who said it isn't pretty?
http://www.avionslegendaires.net/fiche_photo.php?id=d520&photo=2 (http://www.avionslegendaires.net/fiche_photo.php?id=d520&photo=2)
http://www.avionslegendaires.net/fiche_photo.php?id=d520&photo=1 (http://www.avionslegendaires.net/fiche_photo.php?id=d520&photo=1)
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what is this, a who can find the ugliest plane contest? :confused:
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looks like a spit got raped by a P40.
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I think it has nice lines for a 1930's plane design.
(http://www.mo-na-ko.net/images5/LetDewoitineD520_02.jpg)
ack-ack
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... D.520 would even be well suited for the MW arena and will probably see just as much use as the Brewster in the LW arenas.
Somehow I highly doubt it will use that's anywhere near the use of the Brewster because of the armament alone. Only very very few can make a single 20mm cannon with only 60 round drum work well enough for them.
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Info on the D520 shouldn't be a problem, there is at least one still flying in Europe. I can't really see it being a priority for HTC though. There is a fairly limited scenario potential for it, mostly just the Battle of France and Operation Torch. What the EW set ups really need though is a representative (i.e. slow) bomber of some sort.
For an EW MA ride that Hispano would be useful if it were not for the Hurri IIc. If they brought the EW cut off date back a bit, say to Dec 1940, I could see more of a point to the D.520 in there.
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The D.520 looks like a bit like a LaGG3. :headscratch:
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:TLH7dkZNwgMyiM:http://www.acesofww2.com/soviet/LaGG02_dont_leach.jpg&t=1)
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The D.520 looks like a bit like a LaGG3. :headscratch:
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:TLH7dkZNwgMyiM:http://www.acesofww2.com/soviet/LaGG02_dont_leach.jpg&t=1)
obvious difference in the tail shape though
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It reminds me of half Yak and half F4U. Pretty cool looking.
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The secret weapon of the French
(http://blogstra.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/white-flag.jpg?w=300&h=226)
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The secret weapon of the French
(http://shoutitforlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/white_flag.jpg)
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The White flags are no longer funny. You guys have long played it out.
A D.520 would be a good plane addition. I'd just like to see a few others introduced.
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The secret weapon of the French
(http://shoutitforlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/white_flag.jpg)
Without the Frenchies, we would still be the subjects of the Crown. Just sayin'.
ack-ack
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You can find a list of French WWII Aces and some of their aircraft here.
http://www.acesofww2.com/france/France.htm
I've always wondered why the French get mocked but not The Poles, Dutch, Belgins, or Norwegians.
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I've always wondered why the French get mocked but not The Poles, Dutch, Belgins, or Norwegians.
Oh Norwegians... I remember a certain thread on this BBS... :uhoh
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We have aircraft from every major combatant except the French.
-Muzzy
And the Aussies
It would be great to have the French planes
:salute
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXGWccJ9klk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXGWccJ9klk)
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Without the Frenchies, we would still be the subjects of the Crown. Just sayin'.
ack-ack
Yeah, the altruistic French, waiting til the war was 3/4 over before joining in. Wonder why the US gets
flak from the English for waiting until 1941 to get into their war, but the French get a pass.
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I dunno why it posted the first one.. I scrapped it.
Alright no more fun at anyone's expense cause we can find a fact in history that proves them allies of the US.. Like Saudi Arabia, who helps fund Al-(I am not even trying) and Bin Laden, well they helped us during the Gulf war. so no more being angry at them. And England, our strongest Allie, yeah, they twice tried to snuff us out of existence, then helped the North win that nasty little insurrection we call the Civil War by doing nothing. China, heck, they own us, so don't say anything bad about them, or the fact we were strong allies during WWII and then very quickly, that changed to this short event called the cold war with the USSR and then tried to run us over in Korea, producing Kim Jun Il (sure I slaughter that spelling). The point is, if you look hard enough you can prove where everyone helped everyone somehow.
Do not look through today's eyes at yesterday's events because hind sight is always 20/20 when it comes to history. We're doing WWII, so I thought I'd have fun with the French as this is a french forum.
I've always wondered why the French get mocked but not The Poles, Dutch, Belgins, or Norwegians.
Alot of the French I met outside the tourist areas this themselves made out of Holy clay baked in a Holy oven when compare to Americans, except around Normandy. They are unique amongst those I have met. But the Danes, Dutch, Belgins and Swedes are nice, and it's amazing how the country remembers Americans, if not the individual.
History, as I said, is fun like that.
And Italy changes sides when they start to lose. (give the pot one last shake :lol )
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I dunno why it posted the first one.. I scrapped it.
Alright no more fun at anyone's expense cause we can find a fact in history that proves them allies of the US.. Like Saudi Arabia, who helps fund Al-(I am not even trying) and Bin Laden, well they helped us during the Gulf war. so no more being angry at them. And England, our strongest Allie, yeah, they twice tried to snuff us out of existence, then helped the North win that nasty little insurrection we call the Civil War by doing nothing. China, heck, they own us, so don't say anything bad about them, or the fact we were strong allies during WWII and then very quickly, that changed to this short event called the cold war with the USSR and then tried to run us over in Korea, producing Kim Jun Il (sure I slaughter that spelling). The point is, if you look hard enough you can prove where everyone helped everyone somehow.
Do not look through today's eyes at yesterday's events because hind sight is always 20/20 when it comes to history. We're doing WWII, so I thought I'd have fun with the French as this is a french forum.
Alot of the French I met outside the tourist areas this themselves made out of Holy clay baked in a Holy oven when compare to Americans, except around Normandy. They are unique amongst those I have met. But the Danes, Dutch, Belgins and Swedes are nice, and it's amazing how the country remembers Americans, if not the individual.
History, as I said, is fun like that.
And Italy changes sides when they start to lose. (give the pot one last shake :lol )
That's quite a bit of axe grinding you have going there. ;) I spent three years in Europe while in the USAF. I found Europeans to be basically like Americans. Each individual had their own distinct personality along with likes and dislikes. You couldn't put all of them in one basket. Some I got along with and some I didn't. Some liked me and some didn't. I have two sons that have both seen combat in Iraq. They have a similar opinions of the people they met there. There were the normal people trying to live out their lives as best they could and make a life for their families. Then there were the azzhats trying to kill them. It's fun to try but you really can't put the population of an entire country in the same basket. I know you're really just trying to be funny, but did you ever think of the dead French soldiers who died fighting before the France capitulated? What about all the French resistance fighters that died fighting the occupation? Do they deserve that white flag? Just asking.
<S>
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I've always wondered why the French get mocked but not The Poles, Dutch, Belgins, or Norwegians.
Because unlike the Poles, Dutch, Belgins (sic) and Norwegians, the French had an army larger and more technologically advanced than the Germans, yet still managed to pull a defeat of epic proportions from what should have been a massive victory that ended the Nazi Regime in 1940.
The failure, of course, rests firmly with the Western Allied leadership and not the common French soldier, but the mockery isn't without "reason" however misguided.
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You could argue the politics of the French involvement in World War II but the fact remains that the lack of French fighters in the game is something that's at least worthy of being addressed. Who knows? There may be some surprises there.
Funny thing...when people go to Japan they make a concerted effort to understand their culture and etiquette, and feel embarrassed and awkward if they mess up. When people go to France (whose history goes back at least as far), often they make no effort to learn about culture and etiquette and feel angry if the French find them rude. Go fig.
-Muzzy
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I dunno why it posted the first one.. I scrapped it.
Alright no more fun at anyone's expense cause we can find a fact in history that proves them allies of the US.. Like Saudi Arabia, who helps fund Al-(I am not even trying) and Bin Laden, well they helped us during the Gulf war. so no more being angry at them. And England, our strongest Allie, yeah, they twice tried to snuff us out of existence, then helped the North win that nasty little insurrection we call the Civil War by doing nothing. China, heck, they own us, so don't say anything bad about them, or the fact we were strong allies during WWII and then very quickly, that changed to this short event called the cold war with the USSR and then tried to run us over in Korea, producing Kim Jun Il (sure I slaughter that spelling). The point is, if you look hard enough you can prove where everyone helped everyone somehow.
Do not look through today's eyes at yesterday's events because hind sight is always 20/20 when it comes to history. We're doing WWII, so I thought I'd have fun with the French as this is a french forum.
Alot of the French I met outside the tourist areas this themselves made out of Holy clay baked in a Holy oven when compare to Americans, except around Normandy. They are unique amongst those I have met. But the Danes, Dutch, Belgins and Swedes are nice, and it's amazing how the country remembers Americans, if not the individual.
History, as I said, is fun like that.
And Mussolini changes sides when they start to lose. (give the pot one last shake :lol )
One man does not represent a country, its people do, and a flag is given to strengthen its identity in the world.
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One man does not represent a country, its people do, and a flag is given to strengthen its identity in the world.
Umm . . . Mussolini didn't switch sides. Don't get your edit.
You could argue the politics of the French involvement in World War II but the fact remains that the lack of French fighters in the game is something that's at least worthy of being addressed. Who knows? There may be some surprises there.
No argument there.
Funny thing...when people go to Japan they make a concerted effort to understand their culture and etiquette, and feel embarrassed and awkward if they mess up. When people go to France (whose history goes back at least as far), often they make no effort to learn about culture and etiquette and feel angry if the French find them rude. Go fig.
-Muzzy
That's a rather broad and very inaccurate statement.
I know more than one person who has related that they claim to be Canadian when they travel to Paris, because they are treated much better. They themselves don't act any different, but the attitude they receive back changes. So finding the French to be rude toward Americans has some substance to it as well.
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I agree it's something of a generalization, but really there's more to it than that. There are little things in French culture that can make all the difference between coming off as polite vs uncouth. Also...I happen to be Canadian, and I had a harder time visiting there as a Canadian who didn't know the culture than I did as an American resident who knew more of the etiquette.
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I have two sons that have both seen combat in Iraq.
Totally off topic, but I've always wondered what the hell we're doing out there as a species. I mean now, there is always the oil. But 500yrs ago?
Western allies also gave up a great opportunity to invade germany when she was tied up in poland.
+1 to the french fighters and the IRA80.
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Totally off topic, but I've always wondered what the hell we're doing out there as a species. I mean now, there is always the oil. But 500yrs ago?
During the summer time I wonder as a species what the hell we're doing in NE Texas. :D
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The lack of real historical knowledge in the AH realm is disturbing. It was not the French military that lost to the Germans, their hands were tied. It was a very lackluster French political establishment who balked at defending their country. More than one French military commander had choice words for his government both during the invasion and after the surrender.
Just because the French had a larger and just has advanced military as the Germans does not mean it should have/could have defeated them. Most of you should know that the Germans were using tactics not ever seen before and using them successfully. Also, keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of the German high command said "NO!" to invading France, they didn't think they could do it. Hitler gambled (i.e., the French government balking) and won. Hitler looked like a genius. Henceforth, as the war went on he continued to ignore the best military minds in the world (German High Command) and his luck ran out. Even a green lieutenant would have known that attacking the Soviets as they did was suicide.
In short... lay off the "surrender monkey" jokes. They only prove your knowledge as absent and sheep-ish.
Oh,.. and I too vote for the D520!!! :D
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(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/882892b47ab63493438363d7b2cd3e7f6g.jpg)
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The thing that bothers me about the jokes is that it is directed in the absolutely wrong direction. The French leadership screwed up in an absolutely massive way, yet the jokes make the French people and soldiers out to be cowards when it was not at all the case. Not a single French unit broke and ran in WWII. It was French troops that held the pocket at Dunkirk to allow the BEF, and a small number of French troops, to escape the Nazis. There was a French military academy who's cadets held a bridge against the Germans to the last man.
Go ahead and mock the French government of the time all you like, but don't fool yourselves into thinking that the French people lacked anything in the way of courage.
<S> France!
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I don't think the white flag jokes have anything to do with wwii, it came out with the iraki dilemna...that said I'm currently reading a book that details the defeat in 1940, and thrust me every line of it hurts my pride, not to mention the humiliation that followed afterwards. It marked the spirit of our nation forever and it still impacts our foreign politics (back to Irak). Thats all I wanted to say for now. Ho and btw Im IN
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I've always wondered why the French get mocked but not The Poles, Dutch, Belgins, or Norwegians.
You can't be serious?
-Sik
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The French certainly deserve to have the best plane they flew in the game...
The Yak-3 in Normandie-Niemen colors!
-Sik
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Bring on The D.520
(http://www.acesofww2.com/bulgaria/d-520.jpg)
*Waits for Krustonegativey to pipe in with how this wouldnt be a good add*
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Bring on The D.520
(http://www.acesofww2.com/bulgaria/d-520.jpg)
*Waits for Krustonegativey to pipe in with how this wouldnt be a good add*
:rofl
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*Waits for Krustonegativey to pipe in with how this wouldnt be a good add*
:lol