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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Traveler on August 27, 2010, 02:50:03 PM
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Does it always seem a quarter past or a quarter to gloom. The lighting within the arena even at high noon appears to be very dark.
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Have you played with your Gamma?
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I know what he's talking about. I wrote it up as a bug a few months ago. I think it's got something to do with the trees; how they're modelled. The "light" from the sun doesn't reflect off them and it makes everything look very shadowy and dark while in a GV.
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Have you played with your Gamma?
No, I really don't think I should have to, I take what AH offers in the form of what I see lighting wise. I know back in the day when we had night a lot of guys used the gamma adjustment to remove the effect. I'd prefer not to, but for the last few map and game changes I've noticed that the arena just seems darker. As I said, even at noon it's still pretty gloomy.
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No, I really don't think I should have to, I take what AH offers in the form of what I see lighting wise. I know back in the day when we had night a lot of guys used the gamma adjustment to remove the effect. I'd prefer not to, but for the last few map and game changes I've noticed that the arena just seems darker. As I said, even at noon it's still pretty gloomy.
Well have you checked that your in-game gamma settings are correct? You are aware you can adjust game within the game?
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If I log on and see stars I log right back out again.
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If I log on and see stars I log right back out again.
Well stop hitting your head when you log on! CAPS aren't that bad! :neener:
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Did any of your settings like detailed terrain or bump mapping get changed?
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Did any of your settings like detailed terrain or bump mapping get changed?
My machine has no problem with everything turned on and I still ge over 75fps even in the furballs or with lots of effects taking place. It's just something that I"ve noticed over the years the even at full high noon according to arena clock, with little or no cloud cover when everything should be well lit, it's a very gloomy world in the arena.
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Maybe take a screenshot, this seems very relative to personal opionion.
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Maybe it depends on whether you have a CRT or LCD monitor. The two do not have the same color/intensity curves, and it can't be made the same by adjusting a sofware gamma. Gloominess was much more pronounced back during the first implementation of the new terrain engine. Then, at least on CRT's, things were very, very dark. It is better now, but out of curiosity -- Traveler, do you have a CRT or LCD monitor?
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No, I really don't think I should have to, I take what AH offers in the form of what I see lighting wise. I know back in the day when we had night a lot of guys used the gamma adjustment to remove the effect. I'd prefer not to, but for the last few map and game changes I've noticed that the arena just seems darker. As I said, even at noon it's still pretty gloomy.
No monitor is going to display exactly like another, gamma is a personal setting for you to set. How would HTC know if you needed things brighter, or darker?
Depending on if gamma is your issue, if you don't think you should have to set it, then you get what you get. If adjusting the gamma made things better for you, you would then understand why we have that option. And why every other game has a gamma setting you can select as well :aok
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My machine has no problem with everything turned on and I still ge over 75fps even in the furballs or with lots of effects taking place. It's just something that I"ve noticed over the years the even at full high noon according to arena clock, with little or no cloud cover when everything should be well lit, it's a very gloomy world in the arena.
So you haven't adjusted your head positions, nor any of the stick settings including the default button setting, because obviously AH knows how you like it.
EDIT: Re read this after posting and it sounded a bit nasty to me. All I'm saying is that HTC has added a bunch of ways to adjust settings in the game BECAUSE everyone is different, and everyone's computer is different. It's not a bad thing to adjust the settings, use them.
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Not sure if this is the same thing, but anytime the sun is low on the horizon (which seems to be MOST of the time) there's a strange glare/haze on everything at ground level, which no gamma adjustment can seem to correct. Brutally painful on my aging eyes
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Since its obviously not effecting many if anyone else. Your monitor is probably set up incorrectly.
Same thing when we had night and people complained. When we had night everything at worst should have looked like a harvest moon night. If you couldnt see because it was too dark. Then your monitor was set up incorrectly. Alot of people refused to believe that.Or admit it (take your pick) but it was in fact the case.
I have a like for a monitor calibrating utility somewhere around here on the boards from a few years ago.
But all sorts of helpers can be found using google
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=monitor+calibration&btnG=Google+Search
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Same thing when we had night and people complained. When we had night everything at worst should have looked like a harvest moon night.
I have no doubt than on an LCD monitor night did look like a harvest moon. On a CRT, however, it looked the same as if you unplugged your monitor.
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I have no doubt than on an LCD monitor night did look like a harvest moon. On a CRT, however, it looked the same as if you unplugged your monitor.
I had a CRT at the time. And had the same problem. And I didnt know just how out of calibration it was till I calibrated it.
Then it was fine.
Also. The older your CRT is the more likely it is out of calibration as it tends to degrade over time.
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Does it always seem a quarter past or a quarter to gloom. The lighting within the arena even at high noon appears to be very dark.
:aok
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So you haven't adjusted your head positions, nor any of the stick settings including the default button setting, because obviously AH knows how you like it.
EDIT: Re read this after posting and it sounded a bit nasty to me. All I'm saying is that HTC has added a bunch of ways to adjust settings in the game BECAUSE everyone is different, and everyone's computer is different. It's not a bad thing to adjust the settings, use them.
you bully
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you bully
:neener:
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Have you played with your Gamma?
It's a natural act and you shouldn't be ashamed of doing it.
:rofl :rofl :bolt:
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Maybe it depends on whether you have a CRT or LCD monitor. The two do not have the same color/intensity curves, and it can't be made the same by adjusting a sofware gamma. Gloominess was much more pronounced back during the first implementation of the new terrain engine. Then, at least on CRT's, things were very, very dark. It is better now, but out of curiosity -- Traveler, do you have a CRT or LCD monitor?
LCD, ViewSonic
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It's WAR, and as such it should be gloomy! If you look under the options in game, adjust the gloomy - cheery slider.
If you turn cheery all the way up you will see pretty flowers and butterfly's on your low passes. Also I think you'll get a smiley face on your gun sight. I keep gloomy turned all the way up, just my personal preference.
~kc
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It's WAR, and as such it should be gloomy! If you look under the options in game, adjust the gloomy - cheery slider.
If you turn cheery all the way up you will see pretty flowers and butterfly's on your low passes. Also I think you'll get a smiley face on your gun sight. I keep gloomy turned all the way up, just my personal preference.
~kc
Having fought in actual combat for 18 months, I know what a war zone is like first hand. It was never as dark as is portrayed within the arena. I can understand the author wishing to instill a sense of gloom , a dark foreboding, however, I think they have moved to fare in that direction. On my worst day in combat it was bright & sunny, perfect summer day for Vietnam It was 8AM, 90 degrees, 90 percent humidity . As you looked up that hillside you could make out all the hundreds of fighting positions they had dug in, the neatly lined sandbags, you could see the grenades as they bounced down the hill. You had no trouble seeing the rounds impact all around you. When they stopped rolling down the grenades, it wasn’t because they were out, it just meant you had reached spider hole country. When they popped out and thrust at you with their bayonet or slashed at you with a machete, you could see them clear as day.
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Having fought in actual combat for 18 months, I know what a war zone is like first hand. It was never as dark as is portrayed within the arena. I can understand the author wishing to instill a sense of gloom , a dark foreboding, however, I think they have moved to fare in that direction. On my worst day in combat it was bright & sunny, perfect summer day for Vietnam It was 8AM, 90 degrees, 90 percent humidity . As you looked up that hillside you could make out all the hundreds of fighting positions they had dug in, the neatly lined sandbags, you could see the grenades as they bounced down the hill. You had no trouble seeing the rounds impact all around you. When they stopped rolling down the grenades, it wasn’t because they were out, it just meant you had reached spider hole country. When they popped out and thrust at you with their bayonet or slashed at you with a machete, you could see them clear as day.
Ok...
But have you read all of the suggestions as to why the screen might appear dark to you?
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So you haven't adjusted your head positions, nor any of the stick settings including the default button setting, because obviously AH knows how you like it.
I use TrackIR so adjusting head positions is not necessary. I’ve mapped some keys and things to my joystick.
EDIT: Re read this after posting and it sounded a bit nasty to me. All I'm saying is that HTC has added a bunch of ways to adjust settings in the game BECAUSE everyone is different, and everyone's computer is different. It's not a bad thing to adjust the settings, use them.
I do understand that I have the option to reset the settings. I just thought that the author of the game and arena had an intent with certain effects and lighting being part of that I didn’t want to mess with the delivered product.
The intent of my question was more to see if others had noticed what I noticed and that is the lighting within the arena has become darker. To the point that when it’s high noon it’s still very dark. I’ve used several different flat screen LCD and it appears dark on both of them.
I’m sure I can remove the intent of the developers lighting settings but then what’s the point of them delivering it.
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The Sun is annoyingly bright
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Since its obviously not effecting many if anyone else. Your monitor is probably set up incorrectly.
Same thing when we had night and people complained. When we had night everything at worst should have looked like a harvest moon night. If you couldnt see because it was too dark. Then your monitor was set up incorrectly. Alot of people refused to believe that.Or admit it (take your pick) but it was in fact the case.
I have a like for a monitor calibrating utility somewhere around here on the boards from a few years ago.
But all sorts of helpers can be found using google
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=monitor+calibration&btnG=Google+Search
My viewsonic has it's only utility and I've run it a few times, I have no problem when we had night. I'm saying that in the last few major releases the arena's appear to have become darker.
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Maybe take a screenshot, this seems very relative to personal opionion.
Wouldn't you be looking at the screen shot with YOUR Gamma settings????
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Since words don't work:
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/Jayhawk1/gamma.jpg)
See the gamma slider?
Also, if you think it would appear fine on my monitor, doesn't that mean you admit something wrong with yours?
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Since words don't work:
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/Jayhawk1/gamma.jpg)
See the gamma slider?
Also, if you think it would appear fine on my monitor, doesn't that mean you admit something wrong with yours?
My slider is set at 1.0 also. I didn't say it would appear fine on your monitor. I have no idea how it will appear, it doesn't mean that anything is wrong. But looking at movies that were made of earlier versions of AH the arena appears to be much brighter. What I have said from the begining and this is my last post on this, is that the arena lighting appears to have gotten darker. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with any hardware, I just think that is the way that AH wishes the game to appear. bye
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But it's not dark.
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Comparisons of screenshots from 2004 forward. No gamma adjustment or color balance was done other than resizing the screen shot to 800x600 and converting it to a jpg. This isn't the greatest comparison, since it's not of the same area on the same map, but since it was easy to do (because of archive of screenshots from scenarios), I thought I'd put it up.
2004
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/battle_britain_2004/pics/bob_f1_1_takeoff.jpg)
2006
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/battle_britain_2006/pics/frame4/015_approach.jpg)
2008
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/200808_rangoon42/pics/frame4/036-a20Down-Image-0085.jpg)
2010
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/201008_philippinePhandango/pics/frame4/001-takeoff-Image-0002.jpg)
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It looks like pre-2008 was much brighter. That 2008 is the darkest, and 2010 is a little brighter than 2008. Again, not the best-controlled comparison, however.
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The sky is a lighter blue, but I don't see "much" brighter. You can still see the airplanes fine, the hangers fine, details fine, just a more elaborate sky. I see more contrast, not necessarily a darker environment. It's hard to tell if that 2008 version was taken in the daytime or not.
Remember, the game sun doesn't actually give us the light, sky color doesn't necessarily determine brightness. The sky could be black but you could see things, it's about the contrast between objects.
I see better realism.
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I see much better realism and a better look to the game, too. I love AH and what they've done with the improvements over the years, and this game is *vastly* (in terms of enjoyment and time spent) my most-important and valued hobby.
The 2008 one, as you say, might not be high noon -- that is a good point. I do think the 2008 terrain is darker, though -- that the greenery on the ground absorbs more light than the old system or the latest system.