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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Cobra on November 21, 1999, 10:22:00 PM
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I'm considering changing my flight system from an MS FFB to a HOTAS and rudder pedal system. I was looking at TM and CH. Are there any conflicts with both of these in Aces High, or do both work equally well in this sim.
Thanks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cobra
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CH works fine I use the beta driver for Combat Stick. Did use CTFJ but turned it off now with this new driver CH is real smooth.
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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
Cherokee Indian
My Homepage
Where you can find the Key Commands in files for Word6 Wordpad and text mode.
indians Homepage (http://www.geocities.com/~tltoon)
Aces High Word6 and Wordpad Doc's available on my web site.
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I am happy with the Suncom SFS HOTAS system. I purchased the "combo crate" - it comes in a wooden crate.
For stiffness, it is in the middle between Thrustmaster and CH Products - just right. For the feel, it is as good as or better than the authentic grip - superb. To program it you don't need any software, and it can be done literally on the fly. Hit a button to enable program mode and then assign a key to any button on the throttle or joystick - a breeze. Memory settings for four different programmed configurations. The throttle has two eight-way hats and a number of buttons and levers, including a split throttle for the time when sims begin supporting such a thing. The joystick has a four-way hat and the usual buttons - very solid construction and stable. Pretty sure there is a USB version of the combo crate available. Price could not be better either - it has all added up to a great experience for me.
Zuni
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While were on the subject, I as well was thinking of getting a HOTAS system to replace my twisty stick. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good combo with an 8 way hat on the stick. I dont think I could get used to just a 4 way. Every CH and TM stick I see has a 4 way only.
Thanks in advance
Rosco
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I looked at that today Zuni...will the suncom be compatible w/rudder pedals also? If so that would be great...the suncom set is on sale this weekend.
Thanks
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Rosco The Ch Products Fighter stick has an 8 way hat on it. It can be found for 60$ on the net.
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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
Cherokee Indian
My Homepage
Where you can find the Key Commands in files for Word6 Wordpad and text mode.
indians Homepage (http://www.geocities.com/~tltoon)
Aces High Word6 and Wordpad Doc's available on my web site.
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Yes, I use the SFS with Ch pedals and have heard they also work with TM pedals.
FYI, bbgun (Brendan?) is another happy SFS customer.
Zuni
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Zuni,
I purchased the SFS combo unit and the CH pedals...i like the SFS alot, nice program on the fly feature.
My unit only has 2 4-way hat switches on throttle though... If u found a way to make them 8-way...let me know!
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Glad to hear you grabbed the SFS. I don't understand why you haven't got two 8-way hats on-throttle like I do. You are not the only person. Bbgun received an SFS in August this year and his only has the two 4-way hats also. He said he is calling Suncom to ask why.
BTW, check out the Argo's WB forum for some important info regarding your new hotas. Some issues were raised that concern any Suncom owner, so go have a look. http://www.cyberus.ca/~argo/agw/ (http://www.cyberus.ca/~argo/agw/)
The stick sure feels good doesn't it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Make sure you download the manual from their site. I don't use any software (including Suncom's optional prgram) to program the stick - strictly hardware so nothing gets in the way.
See you in the skies.
Zuni
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Zuni,
Thanks for the site, I went there and read thru the whole thread...good stuff for a Suncom HOTAS owner.
Let me know how bbgun makes out regarding the 4-way vs. 8-way buttons.
I'll contact them as well, but besides the 8-way hat issue (and I really want that) I like the system!
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Thanks indian. I wasnt going to order untill a while after Christmas, with the Canadian dollar worth what It is I wasnt sure I could affoard it right now, but after thinking about it for a few days I decided what the hell and just placed an order for the fighterstick, and pro peddals and pro throttle (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thank god for credit!
Rosco
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You won't regret that decision Rosco.
Good choices
When you get it you might want to ask for other folks custom CH 'Speedkeys' files (that program all your stick and throttle buttons) so you can try them out and change to your liking.
--Westy
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Here is some text for you to wade through that is the end result our ramblings about the Suncom SFS on Argo's BBS. It explains how and why the 8-way hat views are possible on the Suncom throttle, even though it isn't a true 8-way hat.
>A discovery by Bbgun, which confirmed I really was seeing in eight directions with the one hat and not just four like everyone else who responded was seeing:
PS - just went and checked.... BINGO! The corners of the hats depress both
adjacent keys for a "chorded" keypress which as stated above, makes the hats
the equivalent of an 8-way hat in WB. (and it only took about a min to
check.. try that with TM or CH
[This message has been edited by BB Gun (edited November 29, 1999).]
>My comment:
Like Bbgun said, each corner hat depress combines the two adjacent primary
views to provide for an 8-way hat effect.
While it isn't a true 8-way hat, in Warbirds with the Suncom throttle, you get the 8-way views because the corner indents are there, picking up the adjacent views on the way by - a pretty sneaky way around a true 8-way hat
solution.
To get the 8-way views on the coolie hat, program it like you normally would: Make the left press of the hat your primary left view, which corresponds to the 4 key on the
number pad. Go around the cardinal directions also programming in the 8,6
and 2 to the respective hat positions. Once you have done this, you can check the status of the corner presses of the hat in a text buffer, or in Warbirds. In the text buffer, when you move the hat to the top-left position, you should see a pair of 4s and 8s, for the bottom-right, you should see 2s and 6s. On the way into the corner, the hat picks up (or engages) both of the adjacent keys the hat is mapped to, thus giving you
both of those at once and so the corner views in Warbirds. If you press the 4 and 8 keyspad keys in Warbirds you have the same effect. It is not a true 8-way hat however, because it is impossible to map a single key to the corner, seperate from either one of the adjacent keys. The hat press into the corner will always show up at either one of the adjacent hat positions also.
Once you have all of those views in one hat,
you just need to map one other button to the "up" view (5 on the keypad) and when you press it at the same time as any of the 8 hat positions, you get up-angle views, including the corners of course. With this setup, one hat and one button delivers all 17 views. That leaves you with two other hats, instead of just one.
Zuni
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Hey Zuni,
I really like this system (yes, I got the 8-way views now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
Anyway, I'm having some trouble w/stick spiking and such...any hints on your stick calibration or stick settings in AH would be greatly appreciated...even a screen shot of your settings from AH.
Again..I like this system...now if I can learn to just aim the darn planes I'll be all-set (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Cobra,
Except for roll (which is 100 all the way across) I have my stick settings beggining in the 90s and going straight to 100. I use about an 1/8 of an inch of damper and a hair of deadband for all of them.
As for you spiking, I was informed by Suncom tech support to make sure you calibrate your stick fairly often. I calibrate before each session to be sure - once a day if you get up that much. And, when you do calibrate, make sure you give the full movement of the stick and throttle to clean the internal surfaces of dust.
If the setup continues to spike then try to change you gameport settings in the Windows calibration panel between the standard port and your soundcard's native port and with or without irq polling enabled. Experiment until you get the best results.
Failing that, get ahold of Suncom tech support. They are excellent.
Good luck.
Zuni
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Cobra,
Hope this helps. I have a CH Combatstick. I calibrate before every scession. I dont have to, but I do anyways. Every few days I calibrate using wstick.
I rename the AH stick file wstick and save the Wstick calibration to that file in AH. Then I change the name back again. I did it again last night and a big (better) change.
Also watch your graph to see if and when on the scale your spiking or having any massive deflections.
Good Luck (only if your flying Knights)! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Oh P.S. on that "If I can only learn how to aim the darn planes". Who are you kidding? You have no problem zeroing in on me! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Damn Ghostrider! This bogey is all over me!!
[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 12-03-1999).]
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Zuni....tks for the help with the system!
Swager..thank you as well!! Tks for the kind words, but I think we are at a draw (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Also, for the next few days, until I get used to my new system, I'll have this big, easy bullseye painted on me...I'll stay away from you for a while now, if I can help it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Again, thanks to all who have helped me make this sim a better, more enjoyable hobby.