Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Castle51 on September 01, 2010, 06:44:57 AM
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I still think there should be a way to control those engine...... oh, I'm sorry let me rephrase that, "wing" fires that show up pretty much in the exact same place as your engines. Fire suppression systems did exist and were used back then for not only the engines but for the aircraft fuel cells and interior as well. It would make flying a little more interesting as it would give the pilot more responsibility and control over his bird and it would also be an alternative to punching out of an otherwise perfectly good aircraft.
With that said, I also wouldn't mind seeing random engine fires and other mechanical issues implemented into the game so long as you had the option to do something about it so it wouldn't be an automatic death sentence.
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Random malfunctions would cause so many grumbles, and HiTech might lose some business that way. Some concessions have to be made for the purposes of this being a game and not a full-blown sim. There is a gray area between the two that has to be kept in order to retain customer base.
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Guess I can understand that, but I'd still like to have the ability to save my plane from a completely manageable problem. The capability already exists in the game to independently control each engine on a four engine bomber, this would just be an extention of that control. Even if it was as simple as shutting down the burning engine to put out the fire, that's good enough for me.
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Guess I can understand that, but I'd still like to have the ability to save my plane from a completely manageable problem. The capability already exists in the game to independently control each engine on a four engine bomber, this would just be an extention of that control. Even if it was as simple as shutting down the burning engine to put out the fire, that's good enough for me.
chances of surviving with no engine and cons around you are very slim. chances of one fighter taking out a big buff all by himself in one pass even slimmer, its part of the game. We all understand what you mean, but this is still a game, we shouldn't make it any harder for new people to get a kill. Game is already hard enough to learn.
semp
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While we're at it, why don't HTC issue military grade tourniquets for the P-38 pilots that suffer from all too frequent pilot wounds?
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I kinda like this idea.....they teach you in flight training if you have an engine fire to dive and put it out. If i can put out an engine fire at 130 knots in my 172, im sure you can do it at 500 in any other plane.
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if IF you can turn the engine off quick enough (in a 2 or more engine plane) you can stop the fire but its VERY tricky
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While we're at it, why don't HTC issue military grade tourniquets for the P-38 pilots that suffer from all too frequent pilot wounds?
if this was done my next wish will be to meet del in person and help him apply his tourniquet to his neck for his countless times of handing my lost butts back to me :D. (j/k del coudnt help it :angel:).
semp
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Ooh, lets add malfunctioning compasses, artificial horizons, altimeters, temperature gauges, oil pressure gauges, and even random heart attacks for the pilot/gunners!
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Ooh, lets add malfunctioning compasses, artificial horizons, altimeters, temperature gauges, oil pressure gauges, and even random heart attacks for the pilot/gunners!
random heart attacks already happen when guys to busy on the game, just say yes and the wife comes back with 5k worth of crap that was on sale.
semp
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Not getting shot goes a long way in preventing fires :D
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I honestly don't see this making it that much harder to kill someone in this game. If you shoot up a fighter and his engine gets lit up, he would have a very brief window to engage his fire bottles ultimately killing his engine and then pray that he can glide back to base, which probably won't even happen cause once you realize he's still alive you'd just turn around and finish him off. And as far as bombers go, you try staying in the air with a B-24 carrying 8,000 lbs of ord and only 2 or 3 working engines along with whatever structural damage your wings took to destroy them.
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I kinda like this idea.....they teach you in flight training if you have an engine fire to dive and put it out. If i can put out an engine fire at 130 knots in my 172, im sure you can do it at 500 in any other plane.
The FAA sets the training standard for all CFI’s and the CFI must train to the standard.
An in-flight or an on the ground engine fire is a type of emergency that will and must result in a landing. The FAA has established the follow for Single Engine aircraft, you must first consult your checklist:
switch the mixture to cutoff Set and Check
shut off the fuel shutoff valve Set and Check
master switch Off Set and Check
cabin heat/air Off Set and Check
airspeed use emergency descent (Va) Check
800 feet AGL slow to approach Check
On the ground exit plane ASAP
Notice that they don’t care about gear. They assume the landing is off field and gear is not an option. The idea is to get the people out of the aircraft ASAP. The dive is at Va, that’s not fast in most aircraft. Va will ensure you don’t pull the wings off . it’s not to put the fire out, it’s to get you in a position to land and get out and ways from the aircraft.
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The FAA sets the training standard for all CFI’s and the CFI must train to the standard.
An in-flight or an on the ground engine fire is a type of emergency that will and must result in a landing. The FAA has established the follow for Single Engine aircraft, you must first consult your checklist:
Notice that they don’t care about gear. They assume the landing is off field and gear is not an option. The idea is to get the people out of the aircraft ASAP. The dive is at Va, that’s not fast in most aircraft. Va will ensure you don’t pull the wings off . it’s not to put the fire out, it’s to get you in a position to land and get out and ways from the aircraft.
I know what my emergency procedures are, I was stating that IF you catch on fire and you dive fast enough they teach you that you CAN get it out. Usually an emergency (spiral descent) will get you on the ground fastest,but you dont shed a wing or suddenly explode. They have the game modeled to where you burn for about 6 seconds, and then you explode or shed a wing. Usually in the instance of an engine fire it is an oil fire, and is catastrophic but not usually explosive.
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I know what my emergency procedures are, I was stating that IF you catch on fire and you dive fast enough they teach you that you CAN get it out. Usually an emergency (spiral descent) will get you on the ground fastest,but you dont shed a wing or suddenly explode. They have the game modeled to where you burn for about 6 seconds, and then you explode or shed a wing. Usually in the instance of an engine fire it is an oil fire, and is catastrophic but not usually explosive.
let me see engine oil fire 3 feet in front of me, should a decide to bail out? or dive to put engine out and try to ditch the plane. what do you think happen in real life most of the time?
semp
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let me see engine oil fire 3 feet in front of me, should a decide to bail out? or dive to put engine out and try to ditch the plane. what do you think happen in real life most of the time?
semp
You normally dont have a parachute when flying a cessna or piper, which im guessing they talking about (small personal craft).
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let me see engine oil fire 3 feet in front of me, should a decide to bail out? or dive to put engine out and try to ditch the plane. what do you think happen in real life most of the time?
semp
good question
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AH doesn't have engine fires modeled, only fuel fires. Look closely at films and screenshots, you'll see the fire isn't coming directly from the engine.
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You normally dont have a parachute when flying a cessna or piper, which im guessing they talking about (small personal craft).
no the thread is about being able to put out fires in ah. and cessna or piper planes are not part of the game.
semp
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AH doesn't have engine fires modeled, only fuel fires. Look closely at films and screenshots, you'll see the fire isn't coming directly from the engine.
And as I mentioned before, the fuel cells for many WWII aircraft were also equipped to flood the affected tank with fire deterrent foam so that would also be manageable.
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And as I mentioned before, the fuel cells for many WWII aircraft were also equipped to flood the affected tank with fire deterrent foam so that would also be manageable.
that was probably so the pilot could have enought time to bail out.
semp
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They also had self-sealing fuel tanks.
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I used to set the Beech 18 on fire regularly in the winter backfiring through the carburetor during starts. That was fun but if you kept cranking and the motor started the fire would get sucked in the engine and go out (most of the time). If you didn't get it started you had to jump out and fight the fire. Fun times.
Saw a Baron wing explode when a spark ignited some fuel vapor.
Met a guy who had an oxygen fueled fire in flight in a Learjet. Showed me his scars. Quite a story since they survived.
Some friends had a fuel fire in a light twin (Cessna) and it burned the wing off before they could land. They did not survive. Fuel leak ignited behind the engine, out of the slipstream.
Fires in flight are extremely frightening. That FAA guidance to put it out by diving is just to give you something to do instead of panicking. You have just as much chance of making it worse as putting it out.
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I know what my emergency procedures are, I was stating that IF you catch on fire and you dive fast enough they teach you that you CAN get it out. Usually an emergency (spiral descent) will get you on the ground fastest,but you dont shed a wing or suddenly explode. They have the game modeled to where you burn for about 6 seconds, and then you explode or shed a wing. Usually in the instance of an engine fire it is an oil fire, and is catastrophic but not usually explosive.
I think you are unintentionally putting out incorrect information. If your CFI trained you to dive to put out a fire, he needs to be retrained. In single engine aircraft Engine fires were caused by fuel 99% of the time. Oil creates a lot of smoke, but the flash point for oil is so high that it seldom results in flames. The reason the FAA has flight instructors teach you how to put the aircraft down fast and get out of the aircraft is not an attempt to try to blow the fire out. Cutting the full supply generally does that.
The reason is the cabin fills with smoke. You can try to open the doors, windows, it all does no good. You end up flying blind and passing out. The procedure you follow is to get you on the ground ASAP and out of the aircraft. The procedure is taught using Va because at that airspeed If you make uncoordinated control movements the worst thing that will happen is you stall the wing and can recover the aircraft before any structural damage can occur.
If your CFI left you with an impression that you put out an engine by diving at a high rate of speed, he did you a disservice. In a single engine aircraft the only procedure that the FAA wants you to follow is to cut off that fuel, get it on the ground and get away from the aircraft.
A while back 4 to 6 months ago, a Beach Mix Master B37 made a high speed pass at KBLM to impress some friends that had come down to the airfield to watch this clown. At the end of his high speed pass down the runway about 25 feet altitude AGL he pulled the nose up and rolled the aircraft 60 degrees to the left. It was at this point that everyone watching heard the “SNAP” The aircraft continued to roll to 180 degreed as parts of the airframe fell off , it then descended and struck the runway and exploded.
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I think you are unintentionally putting out incorrect information. If your CFI trained you to dive to put out a fire, he needs to be retrained. In single engine aircraft Engine fires were caused by fuel 99% of the time. Oil creates a lot of smoke, but the flash point for oil is so high that it seldom results in flames. The reason the FAA has flight instructors teach you how to put the aircraft down fast and get out of the aircraft is not an attempt to try to blow the fire out. Cutting the full supply generally does that.
A while back 4 to 6 months ago, a Beach Mix Master B37 made a high speed pass at KBLM to impress some friends that had come down to the airfield to watch this clown. At the end of his high speed pass down the runway about 25 feet altitude AGL he pulled the nose up and rolled the aircraft 60 degrees to the left. It was at this point that everyone watching heard the “SNAP” The aircraft continued to roll to 180 degreed as parts of the airframe fell off , it then descended and struck the runway and exploded
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I meant that you have the possibility of putting out the fire. He doesnt teach me to dive to put the fire out.
Quick question about the mix master, did he overstress the airframe and cause it to do that?