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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Iku on September 10, 2010, 02:21:31 PM
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Howdy,
I've been paying this AH about 6 years (6x12x15$=1080$)..and now I'm really getting pi**ed of with this damn arena limit thing!!!!!!!!! :furious. Why can't you get one big arena where everybody can fly? I understand that in USA flying time these limits are because there is lot of flyers but why the hell this limits are in European time when there is only 200-300 flyers around? I want that you there in HTC tell me that why you think that this will help us European flyers enjoy AH?
Best regards,
Iku
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What's the difference about flying with 110 people versus 104 people?
wrongway
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What's the difference about flying with 110 people versus 104 people?
wrongway
The differences is six people that he can not kill.
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What's the difference about flying with 110 people versus 104 people?
The question is more like: What's the difference about flying with 104 vs 214 people? ;)
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Around 100 players or so on the giant maps is no fun.
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The question is more like: What's the difference about flying with 104 vs 214 people? ;)
Uhh. No, it's not.
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9217/arena111020101426.th.jpg) (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/arena111020101426.jpg/)
The question you are referring to would be, "why do we need arena caps?" Which has been answered ad nauseum.
wrongway
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:aok
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Uhh. No, it's not.
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9217/arena111020101426.th.jpg) (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/arena111020101426.jpg/)
Yes it is. I recommend reading the OP again particularly the " I understand that in USA flying time these limits are because there is lot of flyers but why the hell this limits are in European time when there is only 200-300 flyers around?" part ;)
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I want that shirt ...
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Beat it! Beat it good!
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Last official explanation from Scuzzy was that they wanted to limit the size of the cesspool. I think he meant customers though :lol
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Last official explanation from Scuzzy was that they wanted to limit the size of the cesspool. I think he meant customers though :lol
Dedalot!!!
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Dedalot!!!
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Yes it is. I recommend reading the OP again particularly the " I understand that in USA flying time these limits are because there is lot of flyers but why the hell this limits are in European time when there is only 200-300 flyers around?" part ;)
Really? From you? The font of knowledge and stats?
The underlying cause of the arena split is to remove the caustic environment the large single arena created. Too many players in one arena creates an unhealthy environment.
The arena caps were enabled again, as the arena numbers were approaching the healthy environment limits. No matter what you think, we have numbers proving a large arena will not allow HTC to continue to grow.
We have remained open for suggestions to solve the problem. A large fixed arena size is not an option.
As Lusche pointed out, there is a minimum level at what time an arena is not fun to play in either. No matter what hard upper limit you pick, there will be a time period where the minimum level is not met. Dynamic caps does not eliminate that, but it does help to minimize the length of time the arena is below the lower level.
Set the upper limit to 450 for a static cap and as soon as it is reached, the complaints will start rolling in as now players are forced into an arena with 10 or 15 players for a longer period of time. Raising the cap exacerbates the problem. Lowering the cap would reduce the problem but create another one.
There will always be a cap. There has to be. The goal is to find a way to populate more than one arena at a time while keeping both (or more) fun to play in.
Please keep in mind, I cannot effect change. I am not privvy to those discussions. I am just soliciting for ideas we might not have thought of or tried.
How about a chart instead?
wrongway
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Mmmm sorry but have to agree, played this game going on 8 years and LOVED one arena vs the split arenas with the cap. Ruins squad nights cause half the squad cant get in. As well as less fights. Still love the game but thats just my opinion.
-BigBOBCH
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I don't think I've ever heard one person say they're in favor of the arena caps. Well except for HiTech that is.
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I don't think I've ever heard one person say they're in favor of the arena caps. Well except for HiTech that is.
:aok Truthfully Titanic Tues is almost the only time I enjoy going into MA, otherwise been spending more time in DA because more action. When got 100 ppl in one arena doesn't help much.
-BigBOBCH
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Last night my kid wanted to fly with me, logged in, 253/200 orange. 37/200 other arena.
We decided to watch tv and didn't even log on. Tried again while later. 231/200.
Choices were play with almost no one, on a huge map or don't play at all. Obviously we didn't play at all.
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I don't think I've ever heard one person say they're in favor of the arena caps. Well except for HiTech that is.
Here ya go ...
I am in favor of arena caps.
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Why?
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Here ya go ...
I am in favor of arena caps.
Same here.
I can not fly on TT, I try every now and them, but the over population just increases the stupidity and I have to log off. The same stupidity is there on a regular day, but being split between 2 arenas is not as heavy. I can move around to avoid most of it, but on TT it's every where and is almost impossible to avoid.
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As much as the CAP is upsetting, I cannot for the life of my argue Fugitive's point. Besides, HTC has said in the past the caps are here to stay.... SO instead of all this whine, with no cheese, how about we figure out how it may better serve us!!!!
Same here.
I can not fly on TT, I try every now and them, but the over population just increases the stupidity and I have to log off. The same stupidity is there on a regular day, but being split between 2 arenas is not as heavy. I can move around to avoid most of it, but on TT it's every where and is almost impossible to avoid.
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Caps wouldnt be so bad if
A) They can somehow fix it to where if you are playing in an arena and disco, you are allowed back in
B) Somehow made it that squads can group together. ( I am trying to be realistic here. Telling 3-4 guys in the capped arena to come and play because I cant get in is a bit of an unfair request)
C) Somehow made it a mass dump or reset in both LW arenas once caps do take place so that you are not stuck in an arena with a large map and only 15 players
Yes I get why caps are in place. We can agree that this is the best system as of yet with the goal focused on creating a better gaming enviroment. ALthough far from perfect, noone has come up with any other solution for it. We have seen in the past some great ideas, but most of those had far worse consequences if we were to put them into play than the system that is put into place now.
Until then, the players have to deal with it and try to use all other choices that are provided to us to make things fun.
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Yes I get why caps are in place. We can agree that this is the best system as of yet with the goal focused on creating a better gaming enviroment. ALthough far from perfect, noone has come up with any other solution for it.
snailman came up with quite a good system, and it looked like hitech was considering it..
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What's the difference about flying with 110 people versus 104 people?
6 people.
The question is more like: What's the difference about flying with 104 vs 214 people? ;)
110 people.
How about this, if a train leaves Chicago going 60 mph and another train leaves New York at 50 mph, how will that affect arena caps?
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Arena Cap's are good for business.
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The differences is six people that he can not kill.
the difference to me would be six people that i could chase around all night, not managing to hit. :D
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logged in after work yesterday at 17:05GMT to see:
LWO 160/100
LWB 22/150
so went into LWB, where there were (in flight) 4 Bish, 5 Knits and 8 Rooks. I say in flight, on the Knit front there was 1 set of bish buffs and one set of Rook buffs and a pony suicide porking. all the knits but one were in SBs or GVs. great.
soo I went on a 45min Lanc milkrun. had a great fight against 25k worth of sheds ...
by the time I landed there was a full 31 players in LWB! woot!
the arenas finally balanced (this is a good thing apparently) at 18:55GMT, a mere 1h55m after the 100 cap went into effect. :rolleyes:
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My point is that I wanted to fly with other Finnish flyers (there is not lot of Finnish flyers), but I didn't manage to go with them because this limit thing...but if somebody think that my point of view is wrong..then perhaps you better look at mirror and ask again from there..;). Okey..after writing this mail (the first one) I manage to go same arena where ither Finnish flyers were but I've been pissed of with this thing earlier soooo many times that I finally thinked to get it out loud.. :furious.
I know this is just "drop in the water", "fart in the desert" etc...but was my outburst of my anger...and I think that I own this right to say this.."arena limit S***KS!".
Best regards and no hard feelings.
Iku :bolt:
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Uhh. No, it's not.
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9217/arena111020101426.th.jpg) (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/arena111020101426.jpg/)
The question you are referring to would be, "why do we need arena caps?" Which has been answered ad nauseum.
wrongway
You're missing Lusche's point. He's trying to say that if there was no cap there would be 214 people in one room. That's why he said the difference is between 110 and 214 and he is quite correct.
You also missed the OP's point. He wasn't complaining that one room was nearly empty while the other was full. He was complaining that with only 200ish people on, they were split into two rooms.
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it seems us euros are used to fill the two arenas in our primetime
the trouble being our numbers are not huge, so there is a drip feeding of players entering, slowly raising the arenas to 100 each
so we dont have good fights or lots of fun .annoying!
By the time US prime time arrives the 2 arenas are fairly evenly pegged
its a pity a system cannot be found that when the flow of customers is big trying to log on the cap system could kick in, then the arenas get filled up fast ie US prime time. all would be happier
we are having a different , and sometimes infuriating, gaming experience compared to our American comrades...
<S>Jimmy
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well said MrC :aok
worth bearing in mind that Europe is a larger market than the US (and almost as big for just gaming) so if HTC want some of our €s and £s, this really needs looking at ...
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well said MrC :aok
worth bearing in mind that Europe is a larger market than the US (and almost as big for just gaming) so if HTC want some of our €s and £s, this really needs looking at ...
The US players would be the ones with the cap issues. If the European market was as big as the US then there would be no need of the shifts in the caps as they would maintain much better. Maybe you guys across the pond need to go on a subscription drive to get the numbers up over there.
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by market I mean in a broad sense - Europe has a bigger economy than the US, more people, greater GDP etc etc. The US does however have higher per capita disposable income and a history of gaming, so the gaming market is larger in US vs Europe. although the last figures I saw showed Euro spending on gaming was catching US spending fast.
everyone has cap issues at some point, however being forced into LWB with only 22 other players is much more of an issue than being forced into LWB with 220 other players, and this is what happens early evening euro time. ie when most people want to log on.
if the markets arent vastly different in size why arent there more euro-AH players? simple, most of the US players I know saw AH on TV ads at some point. most of the euro players found AH through word of mouth or ran into to on the interweb. no marketing. I know a few people that could launch AH in europe but I very much doubt HTC would consider paying for it at this point.
if you do find AH somehow, log in and see one arena with 160 players in it which you cant get into, and another which you can but is a fightless wasteland with 22 players, you're missing out on the bulk of what makes this game fun. no great incentive to stump up for a subscription ...
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You're missing Lusche's point. He's trying to say that if there was no cap there would be 214 people in one room. That's why he said the difference is between 110 and 214 and he is quite correct.
I'm missing Lusche's point? Am I?
The question you are referring to would be, "why do we need arena caps?" Which has been answered ad nauseum.
wrongway
You also missed the OP's point. He wasn't complaining that one room was nearly empty while the other was full. He was complaining that with only 200ish people on, they were split into two rooms.
Actually, he was complaining he couldn't get into the full arena. I didn't see a complaint about the number of people in the arena.
The US players would be the ones with the cap issues. If the European market was as big as the US then there would be no need of the shifts in the caps as they would maintain much better. Maybe you guys across the pond need to go on a subscription drive to get the numbers up over there.
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A reasonable experiment, if not going with Lusche's proposal of resetting the arenas when the cap begins and ends would be to fiddle with the time the cap begins. An hour or two earlier or later and see what happens.
wrongway
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I'm missing Lusche's point? Am I?
Yes :P
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Why?
What he said ...
Same here.
I can not fly on TT, I try every now and them, but the over population just increases the stupidity and I have to log off. The same stupidity is there on a regular day, but being split between 2 arenas is not as heavy. I can move around to avoid most of it, but on TT it's every where and is almost impossible to avoid.
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I can not fly on TT, I try every now and them, but the over population just increases the stupidity and I have to log off. The same stupidity is there on a regular day, but being split between 2 arenas is not as heavy. I can move around to avoid most of it, but on TT it's every where and is almost impossible to avoid.
this seems strange to me because the current TT numbers are about what LWO/LWB numbers were during weekends a year or 2 back, was AH unplayable for you then? :headscratch:
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this seems strange to me because the current TT numbers are about what LWO/LWB numbers were during weekends a year or 2 back, was AH unplayable for you then? :headscratch:
Yes, it was getting there. Unfortunately with my new job I really only get to fly on Saturdays, and I am again working hard to find a fight.