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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: grumpy37 on September 11, 2010, 01:27:59 PM
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I left the MA in hopes of getting away from exactly what just happened in the AVA. Bish had 5-1 advantage over nits, i was a nit at the time. Came up on 2 bish one low one high. One of them seemed to break off and I engaged the remaining player. Worked a decent turn fight for a minute or so, had the bad guys 6 and was firing when i was picked by the other player who shall remain un-named. Not anywhere near a base, not even trying to capture a base. This is the exact reason why im pretty much over this game as a whole. I havnt been able to play much this week due to work and was looking forward to a few hours of fun, guess ill go find something else to do.
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maybe it is time you left this game, you complain about every single thing that goes bad with this game. You just don't realize that there is 1 million other things that make this game great.
Don't let the door hit you on your butt as you walk out.
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Hello Grumpy.
Let me start with saying I intend no insult and completely understand your point of view. I have a squaddie whose feelings about dogfights and the way he prefers them to occur in the MA's & the AVA. It seems you are the same in your feelings. I am completely opposite to this. If I am hunting with a wingman, and we stumble across 1,2,3 or more cons. We will fight as a winged pair. Neither one of us would stay out of the fight, instead we would work together to put the con down. This sounds like what happened to you. In the AVA I expect to be engaged by all cons in the area. Too think anything will occur differently than this sets you up for a no-fun situation. Again, no insult intended. Just trying to understand the thinking here.
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Way
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grumpy, contact me when you get a chance. if you still want, you're in!
as for your comments, this is why i dont like flying without squaddies. if you have one guy that will help you great. but if you're flying alone alot, getting drilled when you're not looking becomes a fact of life. having someone around to cover you or atleast try, makes it that much more fun. it can be very frustrating and i know the feeling. some of our guys arent around as much as they used to be. when i fly alone, i get clobbers numerous times. again very frustrating.
best thing to do is pull yourself up, say you'll get him someday and start over. it works for me, but everyone is different. i hope this helps! :salute
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one would expect a little bit of courtesy in the AvsA at certain "low occupied" arena times.......
if only a handful are up for either side say 5 vs 2 or 6 vs2. one would be much more appreciative, unless both sides have agreed to be free for all....
you can not build the numbers you want if a ones side with say 4 squaddies and 2 other no squaddies always jump the lower side of say 2 squaddies or just 2 separate players....
even it out..... be civilized.......
when the time calls for more type of furball / mass # combat..... then everyone should worry about having to fight more than one at a time....
this is the MAIN ITEM of concern the AvsA needs to overcome to be successful...... regardless if it is an icons or a no icons arena.....
this is the situation that drives the most away....... the gang up on the lower # mentality regardless if it is 5 to 1 3 to 1 6 to 2 or 5 to 2. etc.... and to think. sometimes they even vulch the low # side or do not even appreciate a good fight and let the others get some air under them or energy to maneuver....
Grumpy.... going away will not help the problem.. it just prolongs it..... ( yes I left for a long time and actually hurt this arena by doing so, instead of being there flying in it and being vocal about how others play in a less than stellar way )
there is a time for every type of game play.... some just play one way all the time... and that is always over # the other side regardless if it is 3, 4, 5 ,6 to 1.. ( seriously have seen it 7 to 8 vs 1 or 2 in this arena in past times )
its called game etiquette ( Good & Bad )....... it is up to the older experienced players to inform & guide the newer players with good game etiquette....
maybe this will make sense to some of the players
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maybe it is time you left this game, you complain about every single thing that goes bad with this game. You just don't realize that there is 1 million other things that make this game great.
Don't let the door hit you on your butt as you walk out.
You are actually very wrong in your statement. First off I dont complain about everything that goes bad with this game by any means or i would be typing out posts 24/7. Second of all all the good parts about the game are the only reason i am still here after almost 10 years. I have the right just like anyone else on the boards to state my mind and point of view at any given time, just as you have the write to respond at any given time with your point of view. At least by your comment i know that some people are actually reading what i write, now you just need to take the time to understand it before firing up your flame thrower.
one would expect a little bit of courtesy in the AvsA at certain "low occupied" arena times.......
if only a handful are up for either side say 5 vs 2 or 6 vs2. one would be much more appreciative, unless both sides have agreed to be free for all....
you can not build the numbers you want if a ones side with say 4 squaddies and 2 other no squaddies always jump the lower side of say 2 squaddies or just 2 separate players....
even it out..... be civilized.......
when the time calls for more type of furball / mass # combat..... then everyone should worry about having to fight more than one at a time....
this is the MAIN ITEM of concern the AvsA needs to overcome to be successful...... regardless if it is an icons or a no icons arena.....
this is the situation that drives the most away....... the gang up on the lower # mentality regardless if it is 5 to 1 3 to 1 6 to 2 or 5 to 2. etc.... and to think. sometimes they even vulch the low # side or do not even appreciate a good fight and let the others get some air under them or energy to maneuver....
Grumpy.... going away will not help the problem.. it just prolongs it..... ( yes I left for a long time and actually hurt this arena by doing so, instead of being there flying in it and being vocal about how others play in a less than stellar way )
there is a time for every type of game play.... some just play one way all the time... and that is always over # the other side regardless if it is 3, 4, 5 ,6 to 1.. ( seriously have seen it 7 to 8 vs 1 or 2 in this arena in past times )
its called game etiquette ( Good & Bad )....... it is up to the older experienced players to inform & guide the newer players with good game etiquette....
maybe this will make sense to some of the players
Only reason i said anything is because of the area numbers at the time. If someone else was on my side I may have had the option to fly with someone and at that point in time it would have been a 2v2 and it would have been on. I expect to get ganged or picked in a 2v1, sadly getting the kill for most players has taken over the "fun" of 1v1 combat... IMHO But then again maybe the 2v1 pickers can only get kills this way.
I take no insult with what anyone says on here, it is a forum to vent your feelings.
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complain
I have known you to come on here and complain and complain, then when its your fault, you blame others.
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I have known you to come on here and complain and complain, then when its your fault, you blame others.
What exactly are you refering to as my fault?
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I left the MA in hopes of getting away from exactly what just happened in the AVA. Bish had 5-1 advantage over nits, i was a nit at the time. Came up on 2 bish one low one high. One of them seemed to break off and I engaged the remaining player. Worked a decent turn fight for a minute or so, had the bad guys 6 and was firing when i was picked by the other player who shall remain un-named. Not anywhere near a base, not even trying to capture a base. This is the exact reason why im pretty much over this game as a whole. I havnt been able to play much this week due to work and was looking forward to a few hours of fun, guess ill go find something else to do.
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Hang in there Grumpy. Just like everything else in life in this game you have good days and bad days. You run into people that enhance your day or ruin it.
That stuff is everywhere you go. Brush it off saddle up and give it another try. The bad experiance makes the next good experiance even better.
<S>
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ahhh so your saying that getting picked by another player while engaged in what i thought was a 1v1 is my fault. Considering that i assumed i was in a 1v1 and that considering the arena numbers at the time honestly thought the player that picked me would just allow us to have our fight then yeah i made a mistake. But really the only mistake was assuming the AvA was different then other arenas. I should have known that its the same mentality for the most part as all the other arenas. There are some decent respectful players in the arena that enjoy playing for the same reasons i do and i will just look for those from now on and move along if none of them are playing.
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ahhh so your saying that getting picked by another player while engaged in what i thought was a 1v1 is my fault. Considering that i assumed i was in a 1v1 and that considering the arena numbers at the time honestly thought the player that picked me would just allow us to have our fight then yeah i made a mistake. But really the only mistake was assuming the AvA was different then other arenas. I should have known that its the same mentality for the most part as all the other arenas. There are some decent respectful players in the arena that enjoy playing for the same reasons i do and i will just look for those from now on and move along if none of them are playing.
I don't see how its not respectable, you got onto his six, and his wingman cleared his six.
sounds like good wingman tactics.
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I don't see how its not respectable, you got onto his six, and his wingman cleared his six.
sounds like good wingman tactics.
Your right and you also either didnt read my entire post or just dont comprehend what i said. Either way doesnt matter.
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Your right and you also either didnt read my entire post or just dont comprehend what i said. Either way doesnt matter.
I give :lol
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I left the MA in hopes of getting away from exactly what just happened in the AVA. Bish had 5-1 advantage over nits, i was a nit at the time. Came up on 2 bish one low one high. One of them seemed to break off and I engaged the remaining player. Worked a decent turn fight for a minute or so, had the bad guys 6 and was firing when i was picked by the other player who shall remain un-named. Not anywhere near a base, not even trying to capture a base. This is the exact reason why im pretty much over this game as a whole. I havnt been able to play much this week due to work and was looking forward to a few hours of fun, guess ill go find something else to do.
I'd be expecting the other guy to stay out also. You gotta keep an eye on him though. Could be new and kill hungry. Or old and kill hungry I guess. Point is a lot of guys - like Jaeger the other night when I was fighting Oldman -will stay out, but some won't. You just ran into the wrong guy.
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In the MA I expect no quarter given, none asked, six checks given, but not expected, and no such thing as a fair fight.
I've played a little in the Mid-War arena, and in that situation I will try to set the rules of engagement on the "All" channel if I plan to intercept a con on dar. Otherwise, I would make no assumption that the fight's going to be "clean". I will ask before I dive into a 1v1 fight though. If my fellow countryman chooses to cheat on a duel, it's his fault.
I guess the problem is that there are no set rules in the smaller arenas, but lots of different expectations. Unless the rules are set in stone you can't really expect others to abide by them, but I think at least some of your problem could be solved by communication over the "All" channel.
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Anytime i play a game based on killing the other guy or combat of any kind i expect people to try and kill me period. If i want to duel someone i personally would go to the DA and ask for a 1 v 1 with all the rules i would want.
This is just me and goes for nobody else but i have never ever understood the complaints about gang bangs, alt monkeys, pickers or whatever. If your in a game with 1000 people based on combat it will all happen. Maybe player vs player games are not for people that dont like fair playing fields.
Again these are only my opinions and not anyone elses so let the flames be light.
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I see two guys fighting I don't want to ruin it for either of them. And I would like them to do the same for me. But I don't really expect it but it's nice when it happens.
But a bigger fight all bets are off.
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Let's chill a bit gents...
Grumpy don't let one bad experience keep you away. I'll be back in a few days and you'll get plenty of scalps at my expense :D. Stuff happens.. laugh and move on. This is the best arena in the game in my opinion. Every now and then something is bound to happen that aggravates you or me. Shrug it off. Does your (insert one or more: dog, cat, kid(s), wife, girlfriend (or both), boss, coworkers and so on, like you any less? I'm betting no. Not making light of you're aggravation at the situation but it's a rarity in AVA as far as I know. Keep coming back and let's have some fun shall we? Correct me if I'm wrong but we're here to have fun aren't we?
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I see two guys fighting I don't want to ruin it for either of them. And I would like them to do the same for me. But I don't really expect it but it's nice when it happens.
But a bigger fight all bets are off.
Many of us feel this way. Many like to simulate wingman tactics, perhaps squadron tactics. That's fine. Just remember that it's a lower-population arena. Consequently there are fewer options of where you can go to find the fight, and when you get there, it can be distressing to get ganged (or vulched, even worse). No one really enjoys a pile-on, there's no reward for kills or rank here, so sometimes it's nice to bank away and just watch to see who wins the fight.
Speaking of which: I had some truly great fights tonight. Twizzty was waxing my hindquarters, as he always does, duke showed up for a cameo engagement in his P40, many others who are newer to the arena but just as enthusiastic as us older folks. Very memorable.
- oldman
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Tomorrow nights off for me Old but I could use some schooling. When you going to be on again? Same for you Doom? I'll wing with ya... not that it will do a whole lot of good but I can scrape the pickers off of ya :D
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First let me say I haven't been in the AvA arena in awhile, but one of the reasons is exactly the complaint the OP has. If I want the same BS as the main arena, I might as well fly there as there are more targets.
5 vs 1 the 5 should have a little class and back off and let the fight progress to what even conclusion it will. I don't care if he IS your wingman, stay out of the fight. Ya know why? If it's me as the "1" I will keep coming back and take each of you on time after time. Win or lose isn't as important as the fight. If I keep coming back the 5 of you can take turns fighting me, on the other hand if you gang, or wingman me I'm done and the 5 of you can play circle gerk with yourselves.
The biggest problem I have ALWAYS run into in AvA has always been the attitudes. If you make it NO FUN to play there NOBODY is going to play there! You all complain about nobody playing in AvA then when someone does try it out you gang up on him and trash him. I think that is where you should start in trying to get people in there. Never mind new maps, new senarios, you have to build a better attitude. As soon as the dork picked the OP the rest of the players should have been all over him and trash him for his stupidity and lack of honor.
It's up to the player base to police themselves to make the arena something OTHER THAN another MA. Again, if the AvA has the same crap as the MA Why should I bother spending time in there?
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Put something in the arena message that says to allow 1v1 fights, and try to stay co-alt with others, not above.
Not that people would look at it, but to give them something to look at to show them they have done wrong.
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please understand that there are alot of new players in the AVA. they come from the MA's. our little unwritten rules thing has started more crap in the past then id like to think about, so basically there are no rules. this being said, people who don't know any better, will do what they have been doing, until they figure out that they shouldn't do it(i think i confused myself!).
whether its right or wrong doesn't really matter. when that happens, to me anyway, i either die, change tactics or just leave the arena. a friendly message to the populace on 200 might be helpful, but will probably just start a watermelon storm. how its handled is what will change the tactics. lead by example, and point it out. yelling ,whining, giving someone crap, or jumping on a flame-fest band wagon doesn't really do much more then make it worse. half the time, the offenders probably don't read the post anyway.
not saying that 5 V 1 is right, just saying that it will happen from time to time and only teaching will make it better. if one of those 5 was a vet, he shouldve asked the other 4 to stay out. if none were AVA vets, then it doesn't really matter.
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... so you had to fight 1v2.
oh noes!! :eek:
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The one who most wants to keep it a 1v1 is the one who has the advantageous position at the time.
Letting a friendly get shot down if you are in a position to clear his six is bound to lead to some hard feelings as well.
I just try to use common sense.
If there are 2 friendlies in the immediate area of the bandit, I look for other targets. If it looks like someone's involved in a good rolling dogfight, I observe.
If a friendly is about to get waxed and I can engage his pursuer, I will.
If asked to stay out, I comply.
For my part, if I am alone in an area with multiple bandits, I expect to be engaged by multiple bandits.
It's not a 1v1 dueling arena.
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Put something in the arena message that says to allow 1v1 fights, and try to stay co-alt with others, not above.
Not that people would look at it, but to give them something to look at to show them they have done wrong.
I completely disagree. There is nothing wrong with what was done. Like other pilots who have been around for awhile, I avoid piling on a single con with multiple friendlies already on it. I will switch sides in a heartbeat to even up. I will always stay clear of someones ongoing 1 vs. 1 if asked. I am doing all things that I can to keep it fair, fun and balanced. Let's not make some unwritten pilots code into posted rule. This is not what this arena is about. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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I dont want some writen code of ethics so to speak. Just frustrating when the numbers are as lopsided as they were and to pick a player. Just a different style of play that I personally dont care for but I also understand its a big part of the game now. Maybe i just need to adopt the kill at all costs and at any opportunity that 95% of the community seems to have.
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from grumpy37:
Maybe i just need to adopt the kill at all costs and at any opportunity that 95% of the community seems to have.
Don't do it man. Be part of the 5% not the 95%. It's not always easy but then playing the game with a higher code of conduct never is. Getting killed by a group of 5+ bad guys is no reflection on your skill or ability, but it speaks volumes about theirs.
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from grumpy37:
Don't do it man. Be part of the 5% not the 95%. It's not always easy but then playing the game with a higher code of conduct never is. Getting killed by a group of 5+ bad guys is no reflection on your skill or ability, but it speaks volumes about theirs.
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Ive been tryin for a long time to do just that. And your right it does. :salute
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Ditto Grumpy! Hang tough and take the high road. :salute
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I always prefer team work.
We practice 1 v 2 and 1 v many a fair amount (Usually I get to be the 1).
I will always engage a bandit one of my squad mates is engaged with. That is just the way it is. I expect the same from my squad mates.
If you ask me to stay out of your fight I consider it a permanent invitation (as permanent as my memory anyways). The odds you face will no longer my concern. 1 v 1 or 1 v 5, you are on your own.
As for me, you are always welcome to pile in on my bandit(s) and blast them out of the sky. Feel free to pick, shoot over my shoulder (just don;t hit me), gang bang, whatever floats your boat. The kill belongs to the guy that gets the credit as far as I am concerned. I've watched guys spray shells into a flaming wreck just to get the credit. I don't mind.
I'm not looking for a 1 V 1 in the AVA and I'm certainly not Bruce Lee expecting the bad guys to fight me one at a time like in a martial arts movie.
When players in an arena decide on an informal code of conduct it only brings trouble. Nobody understands the "rules". When should I help and when should I not help?
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Last week I was killed in the same manner on almost every flight (so it seemed!!) I was getting extremely frustrated but when I went over the fights and tried to figure out what went wrong I always ended up with it being MY fault. IF I could have only killed the first one in quicker the second would not have the chance to shoot. IF only I had kept my head on a swivel I would have seen # 2 come in and been able to avoid it. IF etc etc etc.... I had to remind myself not to get too tied up in one engagement and try to avoid the tunnel vision.
I have to tell myself to not get upset at the guy who just blasted my grape all over the two rivers. If im going to get angry at someone I should be angry myself for not anticipating the move and allowing myself to get into that position. Youre the only space monkey in charge of your cartoon airplane so adapt to arena conditions and overcome. What I try to tell myself anyway :D Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and I keep creating craters.
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from grumpy37:
Don't do it man. Be part of the 5% not the 95%. It's not always easy but then playing the game with a higher code of conduct never is. Getting killed by a group of 5+ bad guys is no reflection on your skill or ability, but it speaks volumes about theirs.
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5% of what? Higher code of conduct? Honestly, if you're talking the MA's where everyone is concerned with their 1337 skillz ok, you can measure your manhood by your 1v1 ability if you want then say "it's just a game". Personally, if I can do the dumb thing and jump into a multi con situation and come out of it, that's a challenge worthy of an effort, and more of a measure of whatever skillz toon pile-it wannabe aces consider worthy of some sort of cartoon manhood than out stick stirring a single individual in a 1v1. The 1v1 should be how you learn what it takes to stick stir better than multiple cons, nothing more.
The people who are frequenting the AvA are there for more WWII aerial combat immersion than they find in the main arenas. Don't fly alone if you can help it. If you do find yourself flying alone against multiple opponents, accept the challenge and do the best you can. When it's over, instead of looking at the negative aspects, win or lose re-examine the fight and how it progressed, learn from it. Just like learning to adjust to the settings, it won't take long before you start looking forward to the challenges.
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Nevermind.....
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I fully understand your not wanting to roll around in the mud trap78, it is never worth it. But I did read your post and felt it was a good one. <S>
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Nevermind.....
I agree