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Title: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Imowface on September 13, 2010, 01:45:12 AM
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/japan/aircraft/fighter/mitsubishi-j2m-raiden-jack-fighter/mitsubishi-j2m-raiden-jack-fighter-02.jpg)

J2M3: 1,820hp Kasei 23a engine, 5,675lbs, max speed 380mph, initial climb 3,610fpm, range 655mi, armament, two type 99-I cannon and two type 99-II cannon i the wings

Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: EDO43 on September 14, 2010, 04:19:23 PM
+1,000,000  :aok
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Wildcat1 on September 14, 2010, 04:21:23 PM
i want it! :aok

+10000000000000000000
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Perrine on September 14, 2010, 07:01:39 PM
lol

how does that plane compare with ninny?
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Dragunov on September 14, 2010, 07:15:34 PM
 +1 we need for IJA planes
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Karnak on September 14, 2010, 08:00:33 PM
+1 we need for IJA planes
Then you'd be out of luck on this one as it is an IJN plane.

If it is named Ki-*** it is IJA, if it is named <LETTER><#><LETTER><#><letter/-LETTER> it is IJN.
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Imowface on September 14, 2010, 08:15:38 PM
@ Perrine it is faster then the N1K, better at high alt, gets worse fuel mileage, and has two cannon that have slower ROF

@ Dragonov, yeah Karnak is correct, lets break the title down
J2M3
J- Land based fighter 2- 2nd land based fighter developed by mitsubishi M-Mitsubishi 3-third variant of the fighter
N1K2-J
N- Float fighter 1-first float fighter produced by kawanishi K-Kawanishi 2-2nd variant of N1K J- land fighter variant of the plane
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Karnak on September 14, 2010, 09:52:25 PM
Imowface,

Close, but not quite right.

J = Land based fighter
2 = Second such in IJN service (manufacturer doesn't matter)
M = Mitsubishi
3 = Mk III
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Imowface on September 14, 2010, 10:36:41 PM
ah I see, the reason I thought 2 was the manufacture was because there was no other interceptor the navy used, I dont quite understand the 2? can you explain?
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Karnak on September 14, 2010, 10:48:23 PM
ah I see, the reason I thought 2 was the manufacture was because there was no other interceptor the navy used, I dont quite understand the 2? can you explain?
J1N1 Gekko "Irving"

Twin engined fighter.
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Imowface on September 14, 2010, 11:51:39 PM
ah thank you sir
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Dragunov on September 15, 2010, 12:56:54 PM
My mistake I didn't realize it was a Naval plane considering it was a land based fighter....I figured all naval planes at least the fighters anyway should be able to launch from carriers... either way we need more Japanese planes anyway, learned something new...
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Masherbrum on September 15, 2010, 12:58:22 PM
Imowface,

Close, but not quite right.

J = Land based fighter
2 = Second such in IJN service (manufacturer doesn't matter)
M = Mitsubishi
3 = Mk III


Correct.
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Imowface on September 15, 2010, 01:29:53 PM
well thank you for the corrections guys, I wasnt really using a good source for my info regarding naming (wiki) since I have sort of jacked my own thread, I have not been able to find any info on how the army named there planes, ie Ki-44's designation is army type 2 fighter, where did the Ki-44 come from?
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Wildcat1 on September 15, 2010, 01:55:14 PM
what i find interesting is that while you guys talk about all IJA planes having the Ki-## designation, the A6M5 also saw IJA service.

did they just not change the name because it served with both the IJA and IJN?
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: whipster22 on September 15, 2010, 01:59:09 PM
Ki is an abbreviation of Kiati(I know I am spelling it wrong :frown:) which means airframe in Japanese
what i find interesting is that while you guys talk about all IJA planes having the Ki-## designation, the A6M5 also saw IJA service.

did they just not change the name because it served with both the IJA and IJN?
I think those aircraft were on loan to the IJA also like some Ki-67s were loaned to the IJN
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Imowface on September 15, 2010, 08:30:56 PM
thanks for the info whipster
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Ack-Ack on September 15, 2010, 08:43:00 PM
what i find interesting is that while you guys talk about all IJA planes having the Ki-## designation, the A6M5 also saw IJA service.

did they just not change the name because it served with both the IJA and IJN?

Which IJAAF squadron flew the A6M?  I think you may be confusing the Zero for the Oscar.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Masherbrum on September 16, 2010, 12:07:56 AM
what i find interesting is that while you guys talk about all IJA planes having the Ki-## designation, the A6M5 also saw IJA service.

did they just not change the name because it served with both the IJA and IJN?

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Imowface on September 16, 2010, 12:45:55 AM
back on topic, I think the J2M has its place in AH just as much as the Ta-152, or P47M and all the other rides we have that really never got the chance to shine in WW2 and if it was added, I dont think anybody would be dissapointed
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Karnak on September 16, 2010, 12:47:06 AM
J2M3 and Ki-44 both definitely have a place in AH, but the Ki-43 is a more important fighter that is missing.
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Imowface on September 16, 2010, 12:55:58 AM
haha was it by coincedence or have you read my other wishes to know that I wanted the Ki-44 aswell? :P
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Karnak on September 16, 2010, 01:29:04 AM
haha was it by coincedence or have you read my other wishes to know that I wanted the Ki-44 aswell? :P
J2M3 and Ki-44 serve the same role, fast climbing interceptors that sacrifice handling for speed and climb.
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Imowface on September 16, 2010, 01:35:29 AM
they would both be great to have, even though I am a J2M fanboi I could survive if the Ki-44 got added first, but I actually think that the J2M has a good chance of making it in before the 44, as there is still a J2M left in the world to study in person, im not sure how HTC goes about making flight models, but I would assume that having the actual thing to look at could help
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: AceHavok on September 22, 2010, 03:01:10 PM
+1  :airplane:
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: RoGenT on September 22, 2010, 08:14:10 PM
+ 1  :airplane: :aok
Title: Re: Another thunderbolt
Post by: Ruah on September 23, 2010, 06:36:52 AM
Ki is an abbreviation of Kiati(I know I am spelling it wrong :frown:) which means airframe in Japanese I think those aircraft were on loan to the IJA also like some Ki-67s were loaned to the IJN

no, the spelling is off but you are right about the roots of the words - just a quick refresher for some of you if you are interested.

「キ」Ki - kitai - 機体 - airframe (note anything above the 200 designation was considered a jet or rocket powered craft)
「ハ」ha - hatsudou-ki - 発動機 - powersourse (for jets, 'ne' - 「ネ」 - 燃焼噴射推進器)
「ホ」ho - kikan-hou - 機関砲 - machine-cannon (as in mechanically repeating cannon), used for gunes over 20mm usually.  Machine guns were called kikan-jyu (機関銃)

there are further designations for types of planes (gliders and such), for parts of the planes (popellers and such), and for spacific insturments (gyroscopes, altimiterrs and such).
 Also, there are designations that come after the plane designation (like KI-84-1a - the '1a') that also have spacific meaning - but I will spare you all the language lesson.