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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Wildcat1 on September 14, 2010, 04:14:45 PM
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this was basically a 109E configured as a carrier aircraft. it was lighter, had carrier landing gear, and a tailhook, and the same armament as the E
of course, the Toni never saw service as a carrier aircraft, but 60 aircraft, stripped of carrier landing gear and tailhooks, served with JG.77 and later JG.11 from 1941-1944
it did see combat in squadron strength, but only as a land version, which makes me wonder if we could get the cv version (the T-1).
it has superior acceleration compared to the E, and has a short take-off length. unfortunately, the only reliable sources are modeling sites, so this is the best i found:
http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=4153 (http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=4153)
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Search is your friend.
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Also, if am not mistaken, it was credited with the first aerial kill in a 109
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+100000000 We should have some german ride on cvs.
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Search is your friend.
has this really been brought up before? i had no idea.... that being said, you are right :lol
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+1, it would be an interesting plane to have.
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Also, if am not mistaken, it was credited with the first aerial kill in a 109
You are mistaken.
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-1,000 votes.
No.
Without the carrier gear it was essentially a 109E-4 or possibly E-7 (depending on the engine setup, I can't remember the details).
Why ask for a plane that never was, in a role it was never used, when we don't even have the basic plane it's a clone of?
Just wish for the E-7, silly!!
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has this really been brought up before? i had no idea.... that being said, you are right :lol
Yes. Something that we will not see it's likes on AH.
Also, if am not mistaken, it was credited with the first aerial kill in a 109
Yes, if i am not mistaken, the 109-T was the first to shoot down a B-17. Somebody correct me if i am wrong on that.
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You're forgetting all the kills in the Spanish Civil War through the Battle of Britain there.....
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Yes, if i am not mistaken, the 109-T was the first to shoot down a B-17. Somebody correct me if i am wrong on that.
The de-navalized 109Ts went to Norway. I believe you are correct in that it was a 109T-2 of JG77 that shot down an RAF B17C of 90 Squadron on September 8, 1941.
So as soon as we get the B17C, then we can add the 109T for historical accuracy :)
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If i'm not mistaken,
The German's had a aircraft carrier for 30 mins...
before the english showed up and sunk it..
So to be historically correct we can have the 109t,
It just can't up off a CV...
Avanti
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If i'm not mistaken,
You are :)
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You are :)
Sorry I stand corrected, I was wrrrrr
but let me correct myself
http://www.damninteresting.com/the-only-nazi-aircraft-carrier
"The Graf Zeppelin stayed at her moorings in Stettin for the rest of the war never to see action."
Avanti
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I LOVE damninteresting.com! That being said, are we talking about 109's in general, or during WWII itself? Germany tested the 109 in the the Spanish civil war. That was were they became battle-hardened.
"The first Bf 109As saw service in the Spanish Civil War. By September 1939, the Bf 109 became the mainstay fighter of the Luftwaffe by World War II, replacing the biplane fighters, and was instrumental in gaining air superiority for the Wehrmacht during the Blitzkrieg."
spelling edit
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Also, if am not mistaken, it was credited with the first aerial kill in a 109
At Pearl Harbor?
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At Pearl Harbor?
No, Invasion of Ethiopia 1935
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No, Invasion of Ethiopia 1935
Just for the record, no 109T was in Ethopia. Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 and Savoia-Marchetti SM.81 bombers and Fiat CR-42 were your "best aircraft" the Regia Aeronautica (not the Germans) had.
On to the Bf-109 T-2 and T-2/B
The three main differences were the arrester hook, catapult fittings and the addition of 1.18 meters of "wingspan". The T-2's were technically similar to the E-7/N's (the T-2 had the DB601 N engine), except the wingspan increase Patin remote compass and special night flying lights (for the intended carrier landings). T-2/B's had three attachment points on the ailerons, as opposed to the "standard" two for the Emils.
Also, only 79 T-2's and T-2/B's were made in total. They were then de-navalized (as someone else stated previously), sent to Norway, then on to assist in the BoB.
[Edit] Source: Messerschmitt Bf-109 Recognition Manual: A Guide to Variants, Weapons and Equipment - Marco Fernandez-Sommerau
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Just for the record, no 109T was in Ethopia. Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 and Savoia-Marchetti SM.81 bombers and Fiat CR-42 were your "best aircraft" the Regia Aeronautica (not the Germans) had.
On to the Bf-109 T-2 and T-2/B
The three main differences were the arrester hook, catapult fittings and the addition of 1.18 meters of "wingspan". The T-2's were technically similar to the E-7/N's (the T-2 had the DB601 N engine), except the wingspan increase Patin remote compass and special night flying lights (for the intended carrier landings). T-2/B's had three attachment points on the ailerons, as opposed to the "standard" two for the Emils.
Also, only 79 T-2's and T-2/B's were made in total. They were then de-navalized (as someone else stated previously), sent to Norway, then on to assist in the BoB.
[Edit] Source: Messerschmitt Bf-109 Recognition Manual: A Guide to Variants, Weapons and Equipment - Marco Fernandez-Sommerau
It was a joke.
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It was a joke.
I know, but I was merely continuing to properly inform those who might not know.
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Allright, I stand corrected, but it doesnt mean that you folks can just flame it for your own enjoyment, although i remember the T being the first at something...
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Allright, I stand corrected, but it doesnt mean that you folks can just flame it for your own enjoyment, although i remember the T being the first at something...
Who "flamed it"? Although, had you searched, this has been requested often over the last 8.5 years that I have been here.
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Allright, I stand corrected, but it doesnt mean that you folks can just flame it for your own enjoyment, although i remember the T being the first at something...
I think the 109-T was the first German AC to shoot down a B-17.
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I think the 109-T was the first German AC to shoot down a B-17.
Did you not read what I posted? JG77 109T2 shot down an RAF B17C over Norway, September 8, 1941.
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WHY DID HITLER CANCEL THE GRAFF ZEPPLIN?!!
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I would rather have a 109 G14 A/S or 109 G6 A/S way before any other varient of 109
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Did you not read what I posted? JG77 109T2 shot down an RAF B17C over Norway, September 8, 1941.
Sorry, i did not read all the post. but thanks for backing me up on the info.
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WHY DID HITLER CANCEL THE GRAFF ZEPPLIN?!!
Because his caps lock broke
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Who "flamed it"? Although, had you searched, this has been requested often over the last 8.5 years that I have been here.
First, I wasn't OP so i wasn't requesting it
Second, I already know that it's been requested multiple times
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I would rather have a 109 G14 A/S or 109 G6 A/S way before any other varient of 109
i think we need to bring back the G-10, but i know that has been requested numerous times
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i think we need to bring back the G-10, but i know that has been requested numerous times
As I have asked in each of those threads, so shall I ask here. Why? Why do we need the Bf109G-10? It fills no gap. The Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS would be a great addition, but the Bf109G-10, no. It came later than the Bf109K-4.
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At Pearl Harbor?
I am beginning to better understand you for the moonbat you are! :rolleyes:
OP: You are free to fly any plane to any of your carriers and land and rearm there. Its also very easy to land an E4 on the CV and takeoff again... even on one that is turning.
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I am beginning to better understand you for the moonbat you are! :rolleyes:
OP: You are free to fly any plane to any of your carriers and land and rearm there. Its also very easy to land an E4 on the CV and takeoff again... even on one that is turning.
Sure thing Voss. Go preach to the masses about your timid arse saving gas at 30k.
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i think we need to bring back the G-10, but i know that has been requested numerous times
The G-10 does not fill any void. As others have stated previously, the G-6A/S or G-14A/S would be preferred.
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I am beginning to better understand you for the moonbat you are! :rolleyes:
OP: You are free to fly any plane to any of your carriers and land and rearm there. Its also very easy to land an E4 on the CV and takeoff again... even on one that is turning.
WTF is a moonbat? Do you just make this stuff up as you go? look around, thats not a real word! and hey man, be careful. you could get stung by another scorpion. I hear scorpion stings are real hell if you already have brain cancer. I bet the CIA would still let you go on ops; i hear you're just that damn good.
i don't think the OP gives a crap about what you can and can't land on a cv.
oh yeah, i vote :aok on the 109E7, no to the 109T.
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If we get any more 109s i need my
M-18 :noid
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A early 109 would fill in for the "F" on BoB event. +1
Yes, we will get the M+18..............when you are no longer playing AH.
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A early 109 would fill in for the "F" on BoB event. +1
Yes, we will get the M+18..............when you are no longer playing AH.
109F in the B of B? Which B of B are we talking about? 109E4 that we have covers the B of B just fine thanks. 109E7 would post B of B and cover the North African, MTO, Russia etc bits. It hung on as a fighter bomber for a bit after the F showed up too.
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109F in the B of B? Which B of B are we talking about? 109E4 that we hh
ave covers the B of B just fine thanks. 109E7 would post B of B and cover the North African, MTO, Russia etc bits. It hung on as a fighter bomber for a bit after the F showed up too.
Sorry, forgot we have the E4.
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There were some tail hook versions used in Northern Scandinavia. The tail hooks allowed for a very short landing which was necessary in terrible weather. But I do not think any saw combat up there.
Yes it would be nice to have a 109 off of a boat but it's not going to happen. And krusty, the 109T would be an E-7 in comparison.
perdweeb
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A early 109 would fill in for the "F" on BoB event. +1
Yes, we will get the M+18..............when you are no longer playing AH.
M-18!!! :furious :noid
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There were some tail hook versions used in Northern Scandinavia. The tail hooks allowed for a very short landing which was necessary in terrible weather. But I do not think any saw combat up there.
Yes it would be nice to have a 109 off of a boat but it's not going to happen. And krusty, the 109T would be an E-7 in comparison.
perdweeb
The 109T in question were the ones sent to Norway. Modified E models. E7 would make more sense by far in terms of Russian Front, MTO, ETO, North Africa. That being said, we've got plenty of 109s just like we have plenty of Spits.
Other birds first if my opinion.
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WTF is a moonbat? Do you just make this stuff up as you go? look around, thats not a real word! and hey man, be careful. you could get stung by another scorpion. I hear scorpion stings are real hell if you already have brain cancer. I bet the CIA would still let you go on ops; i hear you're just that damn good.
i don't think the OP gives a crap about what you can and can't land on a cv.
oh yeah, i vote :aok on the 109E7, no to the 109T.
I thought it was a scorpion bite, but apparently it was just a sting after all :rofl Fortunately I don't
fly F-16s for the CIA or own a P-51, so I'm pretty sure I'm safe :aok