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Title: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: 1Boner on September 17, 2010, 04:55:00 PM
Hey guys, the wife is looking into getting one of these "E" reader thingies.

Neither of us knows very much about them or if any brands are better than others. :old:

Anybody have any helpful input?


Thanks,  Mr. and Mrs. Boner
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Mar on September 17, 2010, 05:16:57 PM
Pretty sure Ghosth knows a good one. I'll try and get him on here for ya.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Spikes on September 17, 2010, 05:17:29 PM
I think Ghosth is all over the E reader things.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Ghosth on September 17, 2010, 05:24:20 PM
Depends where you want to get your books more than anything else.

If you don't mind paying market price for the books you want to read, and if you want to read the latest best sellers then your going to want to look at either Kindle or Sony.

If you don't mind reading Public Domain classics, or your a fair pirate, or if you want more control over your ereader, then you might want to look at the Ectaco Jetbook or Jetbook Lite. Jetbook uses a Li-ion battery (like a big cell phone battery) gets up to 20 hours on a charge, has an SD card slot with support for up to 32 gig sd or sdhc cards. Jetbook lite runs on 4 AA battery's (think rechargeable) and gets 20 hours or more from a set.

Jetbook Mini is just about to debut, it runs for longer on AAA batterys, but currently only supports 2 file formats. Jetbook and Jetbook lite support about 10.

Jetbook has no wifi or 3g, but your not paying for it either.

It does come with a USB cable, but a USB to SD card adapter costs about 3$ and is considerably faster.

Jetbook's are currently running around 100$ at newegg, Jetbook Lite has been seen as low as 70$ at newegg.

Last, check out Mobileread
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/index.php (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/index.php)

Just about everything having to do with ebooks and ereaders can be found here, along with a lot of great books.

FYI in the past year I've bought 4 Jetbooks, and 3 lites. Wife uses 1, daughter is using my old one, my Dad and my father in law each got one, I'm currently reading on a JBL, we have one JBL going for my wifes boss for christmas, and I have a JBL new in the box as a spare. :)

FYI a 2 gig SD card will hold enough books that it will take most people a decade to even come close to reading them all. I have over 4000 books on my 4gig card, and its 2/3rds empty.

If you want to talk about sources I'd suggest a PM. :)


Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Halo on September 17, 2010, 08:46:59 PM
Researched electronic readers last year and bought the smaller Kindle for wife. Fabulous! We do most of our reading now on Kindle. Kindle also plays great on computers -- buy one book and read it on Kindle or all of your home computers. I prefer reading Kindle books on my 23-inch computer screen but they are also great on laptop and netbook computers as well as the Kindle itself.

Go to amazon.com and check out the many reviews of Kindle. Paper books soon will be as quaint as papyrus.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: maddafinga on September 18, 2010, 01:23:57 AM
I have a Kindle and like it very much.  Stores hundreds of books, which is nice for me since I usually read several books at once.  This way I can move between them depending on what I feel like reading at any particular time, and it saves my place on all of them.  I haven't messed with the newspaper or magazine subscriptions, but they are available for it, and pretty cheaply too, most books even new releases are 10 bucks or less and there are tons of free classic books to download as well.  I love the thing.  I wish it gave you a page number, but that's the only complaint I have about it.  I would recommend it to any avid reader.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: AAJagerX on September 18, 2010, 01:54:30 AM
I have a Kindle and like it very much.  Stores hundreds of books, which is nice for me since I usually read several books at once.  This way I can move between them depending on what I feel like reading at any particular time, and it saves my place on all of them.  I haven't messed with the newspaper or magazine subscriptions, but they are available for it, and pretty cheaply too, most books even new releases are 10 bucks or less and there are tons of free classic books to download as well.  I love the thing.  I wish it gave you a page number, but that's the only complaint I have about it.  I would recommend it to any avid reader.


Madda, we told you already....  You're not allowed to learn to read. 
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: CAP1 on September 18, 2010, 12:28:01 PM
Hey guys, the wife is looking into getting one of these "E" reader thingies.

Neither of us knows very much about them or if any brands are better than others. :old:

Anybody have any helpful input?


Thanks,  Mr. and Mrs. Boner

the most helpful thing i can say(and i mean no offense) is to forget those things. if ya wanna read, read a book. made of paper.  :aok
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Ghosth on September 18, 2010, 03:26:48 PM
Cap number one, thats really not helpfull at all, and if thats the way you feel why bother inflicting your opinion on others who obviously don't feel that way????

Cap, there are 2 kinds of people in this world.

Those who love books period.
Those who love books because they love to read.

If your one of those who just plain loves books, stick with them.
I have friends that are the same way, and I really don't try to convert them.

But if your about the reading, then if you ever get an e-book reader you'd never go back to paper.

Time and time and time again at the mobile read forums we hear about people who don't understand the whole ereader thing. Then they get one, and over 90% of the time within a month they are telling us they don't understand why they waited so long. And that they will never go back to reading paper books.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: shppr01 on September 18, 2010, 04:02:07 PM
Cap number one, thats really not helpfull at all, and if thats the way you feel why bother inflicting your opinion on others who obviously don't feel that way????

Cap, there are 2 kinds of people in this world.

Those who love books period.
Those who love books because they love to read.

If your one of those who just plain loves books, stick with them.
I have friends that are the same way, and I really don't try to convert them.

But if your about the reading, then if you ever get an e-book reader you'd never go back to paper.

Time and time and time again at the mobile read forums we hear about people who don't understand the whole ereader thing. Then they get one, and over 90% of the time within a month they are telling us they don't understand why they waited so long. And that they will never go back to reading paper books.

+1
Ihave been a book reader.I would love a kindle but I think I will use both . The paper books For the nostalgia and the kindle for the nuance!
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: maddafinga on September 18, 2010, 04:25:56 PM
Madda, we told you already....  You're not allowed to learn to read. 

Well can I at least pretend to know how?
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: CAP1 on September 18, 2010, 04:26:38 PM
Cap number one, thats really not helpfull at all, and if thats the way you feel why bother inflicting your opinion on others who obviously don't feel that way????

Cap, there are 2 kinds of people in this world.

Those who love books period.
Those who love books because they love to read.

If your one of those who just plain loves books, stick with them.
I have friends that are the same way, and I really don't try to convert them.

But if your about the reading, then if you ever get an e-book reader you'd never go back to paper.

Time and time and time again at the mobile read forums we hear about people who don't understand the whole ereader thing. Then they get one, and over 90% of the time within a month they are telling us they don't understand why they waited so long. And that they will never go back to reading paper books.


there's 3 types. there are those that love books, and love to read them. i'm that type.....when i have the time. i love reading old ww2 stuff right before i go to sleep. lately though, the time hasn't been there, as i just tend to hit the bed, and am unconscious before i settle in.

 then there's the paranoid side too, concerning technical things.......but we don't need to go there.  :aok
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: FiLtH on September 19, 2010, 01:09:53 AM
  Although I think its cool, and I thought of the idea years ago (me and probably a thousand others) I prefer real paper books. They look better on the shelves too :)
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Ghosth on September 19, 2010, 07:44:24 AM
Yes but Filth you can't put 4,000 of your favorite books in your back pocket and come to AH con.

I can. :)

Don't get  me wrong, I love books  too, but my wife and I both read. We just plain ran out of space to put more books. So we went digital, or mostly so, wife still reads some paper from time to time.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Maverick on September 19, 2010, 11:08:37 AM
My wife and I are avid readers. We also live full time in an RV with limited storage space. We often go the used bookstores and spend about $200 on what we like to read every 3 months or so. Her, mystery novels and me, Sci Fi as well as history.

The E book looks to be a real match for us but I am concerned for the cost of the readers (we'll need 2) and more importantly the cost of the books. Is there a "walmart" of E books out there or someplace we can get them at about the same price or less than used paperbacks?
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: maddafinga on September 19, 2010, 11:20:28 AM
My wife and I are avid readers. We also live full time in an RV with limited storage space. We often go the used bookstores and spend about $200 on what we like to read every 3 months or so. Her, mystery novels and me, Sci Fi as well as history.

The E book looks to be a real match for us but I am concerned for the cost of the readers (we'll need 2) and more importantly the cost of the books. Is there a "walmart" of E books out there or someplace we can get them at about the same price or less than used paperbacks?

Well on the Amazon Kindle book section there are tons of absolutely free books that are older classic types.  You can also find lots and lots of books for one or two dollars.  Usually the newer ones are about ten bucks.  I have hundreds of books on my Kindle and only paid the full price for a couple of them.  What you can do it look up a book or everything by an author, and sort them by price starting with the lowest.  You'll be astounded by what you can get for free or for a dollar. 

What is really cool also is that your Amazon account keeps track of what you've downloaded, so if you delete them off your Kindle but then later decide to read it again, you just re-download it to your reader.  Very handy.  The books come to your Kindle wirelessly, and take about 30 seconds.  Very handy.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Ghosth on September 19, 2010, 02:08:28 PM
Maverick  for Sci-fi you can't beat Baen.
http://www.baen.com/library/ (http://www.baen.com/library/)



For  Public Domain books I prefer Manybooks.net over everything else.
http://manybooks.net (http://manybooks.net)
Sort by genre, author, titles, etc.
Once you find an author you like you can click on his name and get a complete list of all  the books they have by that author. Click on a book, and it will take you to the download page for that book. Often have a short description, picture of the front cover, and a download link that lets you choose what format you want it in.
http://manybooks.net/authors/haggardh.html (http://manybooks.net/authors/haggardh.html)
I'll use H Rider Haggard as an example. He wrote in the late 1800's and early 1900's most of which are set in England, Africa or both. He was the original Author for King Solomon's Mines.  The list of possible file formats is extensive, but it does vary  some from author  to author. Manybooks get most of their books from Project Gutenberg, but its easier to find what I want at Manybooks.

Many Library's are converting to Ebooks.
http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/EBook_Lending_Libraries (http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/EBook_Lending_Libraries)
Most library's tend to use Overdrive or Adobe DRM'd PDF formats.
So if your going to use a library as a source that will effect what reader your going to want to look at.

If you buy a Kindle or to a slightly lesser effect Sony reader, you are going to be at least somewhat tied to their store. Mostly because both of proprietary file types. Granted you can get some files converted for kindle, but I don't think they'll touch a DRM protected library book.

My wife is into the Mystery, Thriller type, and its a lot more work finding her books than it is finding me Sci-fi fantasy stuff. I've got Thousands of books stacked up waiting for me to find the time to read them. For my wife I have at best 3-400 good ones that she'll enjoy. Its a bit of a never ending task.

Again I'll say that if your interested at all in ebooks and ereaders spend some time reading over at the Mobileread forums.
http://wiki.mobileread.com/ (http://wiki.mobileread.com/)
Register for a BBS acct, lurk around for a bit. You'll find me posting once in a while in the general discussion, but quite often in the Jetbook forums. (GhostHawk) (yes they have separate forums for different devices, fewer fights)


In my opinion what reader you want to look at, is going to come down to where and how you want to buy your books, and what you can afford to spend for them.

If you want the convenience of buying a book through your device, (3g, wifi, etc) then the new 150$ Kindle would be a great place to start.

If you want  a bit more control, a bit more flexibility then perhaps you should look at the sony line.

If you are just as happy reading Scifi-or old classics out of public domain, and want total control.
Then one of the Jetbook's would be your best bet.

Of all the readers out there Jetbook is the most flexible, in that it reads more formats than any other.
Including: DRM ePub, ADE ePub, ADE pdf, HTML, PRC, MOBI, RTF, TXT, PDF, FB2, (Images)JPG, GIF, PNG, & BMP
# Built-in translators for English, German, Polish, Russian, and Spanish
# Font zoom from 12pt to 32pt
# 5” TFT LCD screen
# SD card expandability up to 32GB
# Battery life for over 23 hours

Feel free to shoot me a PM if you have questions, or would like to know where I found those 20,000 + ebooks I have sitting on my hard drive. (over 10gig's, and more on the way)

Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: maddafinga on September 19, 2010, 04:01:36 PM
Quote
I'll use H Rider Haggard as an example. He wrote in the late 1800's and early 1900's most of which are set in England, Africa or both. He was the original Author for King Solomon's Mines.  The list of possible file formats is extensive, but it does vary  some from author  to author. Manybooks get most of their books from Project Gutenberg, but its easier to find what I want at Manybooks.

Man, I used to have a very old hard cover H. Rider Haggard book,  it had She, King Solomon's Mines and Alan Quartermain in one large book. I read all three of them probably 5 times each.  He was a great writer.  I loved all three of those books. 

Thanks for the links btw, I'm checking them out now.

Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: eagl on September 19, 2010, 06:41:40 PM
I have a kindle and I really like it.  The free wireless is a great feature...  browse for books and buy them without online fees, free wikipedia access, and very very cheap wireless delivery for books you buy elsewhere.  Now that the price has dropped, I think they are great ebooks.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: 1Boner on September 19, 2010, 08:10:29 PM
Thanks for all the input guys, I knew I could count on you. :salute

The bride said "I can't find any good info online, and only got one response on Yahoo answers".

I said, watch this, and I started this post.

Thanks again guys.


BTW, she bought a new 3g Kindle at Target today.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Vudak on September 19, 2010, 08:37:36 PM
How do these eReaders work?  I understand that a book shows up on its screen - but a few questions:

1. Can you use multiple bookmarks with information on them (for research, I often have a few dozen sticky notes in each book I'm using for a paper or such)
2. Is there any way to write in the margins, if needed?

I don't have too much space and I have too many books, but I'm also one of those people who almost has to print large things off of the internet instead of trying to read them on a computer screen.  I just hate reading from the PC (although in fairness, this is because I'm stuck there, where I wouldn't be with a kindle).  I also NEED to be able to bookmark them in an infinite number of places, and label those bookmarks (Yeah, I know there's an index, but trust me, this is quicker - some things have twenty entries).

Would a kindle or such work for me, or should I stick to paper?
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: eagl on September 19, 2010, 08:41:57 PM
How do these eReaders work?  I understand that a book shows up on its screen - but a few questions:

1. Can you use multiple bookmarks with information on them (for research, I often have a few dozen sticky notes in each book I'm using for a paper or such)
2. Is there any way to write in the margins, if needed?

I don't have too much space and I have too many books, but I'm also one of those people who almost has to print large things off of the internet instead of trying to read them on a computer screen.  I just hate reading from the PC (although in fairness, this is because I'm stuck there, where I wouldn't be with a kindle).  I also NEED to be able to bookmark them in an infinite number of places, and label those bookmarks (Yeah, I know there's an index, but trust me, this is quicker - some things have twenty entries).

Would a kindle or such work for me, or should I stick to paper?

The kindle has a keyboard and you can make bookmarks, add annotations to text, etc.  The primary danger there is that Amazon has pulled a couple of books back without notice (they were published illegally so Amazon immediately pulled them from all kindles and refunded the purchase price) but when that happens, all the annotations and bookmarks vanish along with the book.  It is extremely irritating but I don't think Amazon has come up with a better process for taking back books without being destructive.

Of course you can always just keep the wireless turned off, but you never know which of your books might vanish the next time you turn on the wireless.  I think this is the one major failing of the kindle, the fact that Amazon has no solution for how to take back books without deleting bookmarks and annotations, and without offering any way to save them off first (let alone notifying buyers ahead of time that it is going to happen).

Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Vudak on September 19, 2010, 08:46:23 PM
Thanks Eagl,

Do you happen to know if there is a limit on the number of concurrent bookmarks?
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Saxman on September 20, 2010, 12:26:34 AM
 Although I think its cool, and I thought of the idea years ago (me and probably a thousand others) I prefer real paper books. They look better on the shelves too :)

QFT. The only "reader" I need:

(http://www.lmxac.org/redbank/book%20stack.jpg)

The feel of a REAL book int your hands is something special that Kindles and all the other E Readers can't replace.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: eagl on September 20, 2010, 12:29:49 AM
Thanks Eagl,

Do you happen to know if there is a limit on the number of concurrent bookmarks?

I don't know that, sorry.  I don't do much serious reading with my kindle so I haven't experimented with bookmarks or annotations.  I'll get around to doing that eventually but just haven't yet.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: eagl on September 20, 2010, 12:32:31 AM
The feel of a REAL book int your hands is something special that Kindles and all the other E Readers can't replace.

Yea, but my REAL book collection weighs over 1000 lbs and I can't fit any more into the house.  So I have a kindle and now any time I anticipate having an hour or more time to waste, I bring my kindle and about 80 e-books with me.  I don't own a backpack big enough to carry 80 REAL books around, and none of my REAL books let me look up references on wikipedia no matter where I am.

Don't misunderstand, a real book is very nice, and a library full of real books is much easier to browse through than an e-book library with dozens of titles to scan through.  I never would have discovered most of my favorite authors if my school libraries were only electronic.  But no matter how much I like paper books, e-books have become just as important to me because I want to be able to buy books and take them with me, and I simply can't do that anymore with paper books.  I have too many already that I don't want to get rid of.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Saxman on September 20, 2010, 07:24:28 AM
Wait, who reads 80 books in an hour, anyway?
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Ghosth on September 20, 2010, 07:30:05 AM
Saxman, why would you want to hold in some cases, several pounds in your hands for hours at a time, smelling dust, mold, and mildew often enough when you could hold a small device, weighs about half a pound, and feeds you a new page every time you push the button?

Paper cuts, stuck together pages, garbage on pages obscuring words, all a thing of the past.

After all, without innovation and trying new things you'd still be living in a cave banging 2 rocks together.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: maddafinga on September 20, 2010, 07:35:22 AM
I like actual books as much as anyone.  I had hundreds upon hundreds at one point too, but then there was this apartment fire that destroyed all my stuff.  I probably have a hundred or so now too, as it's been about three years since the fire.  The Kindle though, helps keep my house from filling up with books like the last one did.  I still get paper books for a lot of things, but the bulk of my reading I do on the Kindle now. 

Also Ghosth, thanks for that manybooks link, that site is fantastic!

Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Ghosth on September 20, 2010, 07:59:42 AM
Your very welcome Mad, I think I've pulled over 600 ebooks from that site over the last year.
And I still go digging around for new old authors.

Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Ghosth on September 20, 2010, 08:00:29 AM
Your very welcome Mad, I think I've pulled over 600 ebooks from that site over the last year.
And I still go digging around for new old authors.

Review from someone who has both Jetbook and the new K3.
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97926 (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97926)

"The key differences are:
Storage card: jetBook has one; K3, no. Advantage jetBook
Wireless: K3 has two, WiFi and 3G; jetBook none. Advantage K3
Battery life: jetBook, a week-ish; K3, supposedly a month-ish. Advantage K3
Case: jetBook comes with one; K3, I have to buy one*. Advantage jetBook"

To me 3G or Wifi is only an advantage if you want, and can afford to buy your books from Amazon.
If you don't, or can't afford them then it is no advantage at all.

"...In conclusion, I like the K3, I don't love the K3. The jetBook shines because of the complete lack of hassle.

1) File conversion and transfer for the K3 is clumsy and time consuming. For the jetBook, it's effortless.
2) The K3 is a bit large for my taste. The jetBook is easier to carry around and handle.

On the other hand:
1) The K3 is a little more pleasant to read on because of the Pearl screen.
2) So long as you don't want to play outside of Amazon's infrastructure, the K3's wireless features shine.

I'm keeping both.

Regards,
Jack Tingle"

So a lot comes down to how and where you want to get your books and what kind of books you want to read.
Mystery, thriller best sellers are few and far between and hard to find except at the big bookstores.
Sci-Fi/Fantasy is very easy to find, and the Project Gutenberg Classics are awesome, if you enjoy that kind of reading.

What will work best for you, only you can say.


Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Saxman on September 20, 2010, 06:04:46 PM
Saxman, why would you want to hold in some cases, several pounds in your hands for hours at a time, smelling dust, mold, and mildew often enough when you could hold a small device, weighs about half a pound, and feeds you a new page every time you push the button?


Same reason why anyone would want to drive out to the firing range, hold in some cases, several pounds that has a tendency to kick back at you, have to contend with the weather, the smell of spent gunpowder, the noise of it going off, and having to clean it again when you're done, when you could instead load up your computer and play Call of Duty.

 :P
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Sonicblu on September 20, 2010, 07:40:57 PM
The wife bought me an iPad I haven't found a e reader yet that can do what the I pad can do with it e readers. I have kindle iBook borders just to name a few ... Oh and for you page turners. When you touch the screen you can turn the page. You drag your finger on page and the page turns with it.

It's interesting how you kinesthetic guys just have to turn a page.    Ugh me mongo me no read unless it on clay tablet that weigh ten pounds.

Nice thing about iPad is you can get videos and pictures I use it for work to download spec books and installation manuals.

iPad is the way to go for me the kindle would be my pick if just reading novels.
 
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Ghosth on September 27, 2010, 06:53:36 AM
2 things you need to look at if you want to bring the Ipod or similar pads into the mix.

A Price: from what I've heard I could buy a 6pack of Jetbooks for what you spend on an ipod.

B Battery life, you get what, 10 hours? Perhaps 12 if you turn stuff off?
Jetbooks typically get 20 - 24.

Last, I have some nice pictures to share of the new K3 vs Jetbook screens.
(http://www.mobileread.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58876&d=1285515377)

(http://www.mobileread.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58877&d=1285515377)

(http://www.mobileread.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58875&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1285515377)

"Is the K3 a better display? It depends. It has a much better side view (picture 3). But it has a much worse glare problem (picture 2) than the Jetbook. Viewing them side-by-side and keeping the Jetbook at its best angle (picture 1), the Jetbook more than holds it own against the new Pearl screens. The contrast on the K3's Pearl screen does not yet match that of the Jetbook's LCD if the Jetbook is held at its best angle. For me the Pearl screen's contrast sets the bare minimum acceptable for a ereader."


Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: katanaso on September 27, 2010, 08:22:43 AM
My wife and I were talking about these, as she is an avid reader.  Our main concern is the comfort of reading a LCD as opposde to print on paper.  Can you guys share your experiences with this aspect of the devices?

Personally, I get sick of reading a computer screen after working around them all day, so I love the fact that I get newspapers, magazines, and books in print form.

Thanks.


mir
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Fulmar on September 27, 2010, 08:29:40 AM
QFT. The only "reader" I need:

(http://www.lmxac.org/redbank/book%20stack.jpg)

The feel of a REAL book int your hands is something special that Kindles and all the other E Readers can't replace.
I'm very much with Saxman on this.  I'm not sure E-readers are going to stem off the oncoming storyline of Fahrenheit 451 though, except it may be eventually Fahrenheit whatever plastic burns at.  But I think E-readers are a transitional technology.  Much like the PDA was.  You used to be the cool person with your Palm Tungsten, but finally someone merged them with a cell phone.  This will more than likely be merged with the cell phone (at least expanded more on cell phones) in a couple two three years.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Delirium on September 27, 2010, 03:01:05 PM
I hate to say this but digital books aren't going away, neither is technology in general. They will evolve further into smaller and smaller units, combined with other computing functions.

Anyone who thinks otherwise might as well yell, "Get a horse!" on the highway.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Soulyss on September 27, 2010, 03:13:53 PM
My wife and I were talking about these, as she is an avid reader.  Our main concern is the comfort of reading a LCD as opposde to print on paper.  Can you guys share your experiences with this aspect of the devices?

Personally, I get sick of reading a computer screen after working around them all day, so I love the fact that I get newspapers, magazines, and books in print form.

Thanks.


mir

Someone got me the Sony Reader last year for a Christmas present and I have to say that I really like it despite myself.  At least on the Sony the image isn't really back lit in the sense that you need some ambient light to read what's on the screen.  About as much as you would need to read a printed page.  I've taken mine on a couple business trips and have sat there and read for several hours at a stretch while in flight with little eye strain. 

I like books, I like to physically hold something, the tactile feedback, I'm the same way about music, I dislike mp3's and would much prefer to hold a CD in my hands or better yet a record/LP.  However I must admit that having an reader is damn useful at times. 
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Post by: maddafinga on September 27, 2010, 08:22:15 PM
My wife and I were talking about these, as she is an avid reader.  Our main concern is the comfort of reading a LCD as opposde to print on paper.  Can you guys share your experiences with this aspect of the devices?

Personally, I get sick of reading a computer screen after working around them all day, so I love the fact that I get newspapers, magazines, and books in print form.

Thanks.


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My kindle doesn't cause me any eyestrain at all, even if I read it for hours at a time.  The background actually seems to have a sort of slightly off white and even looks like it has a papery texture.  It looks like cheap paperback texture to me actually.  It doesn't seem to be backlit really, I have to use a book light to read it at  night with the lights off.  It's not like a computer screen at all. 
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Ghosth on September 27, 2010, 08:40:57 PM
When I first found ebooks I read them on the computer. But about an hour at a time is all my eyes can handle. An e-book reader is a totally different experience, be it E-ink, K3's new "pearl" screen, or Jetbook's Reflective TFT screen.

Pretty much they all use reflected light like a book.

Unlike a book they don't seem to "eat" half of the light that hits them.
So your left after 4 - 6 hours of reading with eyes that don't ache or strain.
I used to read with a 3 way bulb in a floor lamp over my left shoulder, 50, 100, 150. I tried the new twist flourescent bulbs but they just didn't put out enough light to be comfortable reading. However once I switched to reading on my Jetbook I was able to comfortably drop down to first a 100 watt incandescent, then a 100 watt equivalent twist fluorescent bulb. I am using a better quality "daylight" bulb that is considerably more white than normal twist bulbs. But I am also reading comfortably on considerably less light than I used to. In fact when the power goes out if I bump the font size on the Jetbook up a notch I can read comfortably by the light of 2 candles.

For all those who persist in trying to say that Ebooks will never replace books.
Just remember, that they said that about cars never replacing horses too. How many buggy whip and carriage factory's you see around?

In fact I think the next year will see a big tipping point. Ebook reader's have come a long long way in functionality in the last year. The biggest hangup at this point is not the readers, its the paper book publishers that see themselves going out of business in the near future.

Once you get over the emotional attachment you have to the book and truly just let yourself read on a good reader, you'll never go back to books.

And again I encourage everyone even remotely interested to check out the Mobileread forums.
http://www.mobileread.com/ (http://www.mobileread.com/)
Lots of good folks with all kinds of different opinions about every reader ever made. Also lots of good books there available for free download.  And lots of help once you do make a decision on a reader. Dealing with things like DRM, converting file formats, best rechargeable battery's, or how to best format an SD card.  It truly is a great community, even if some of us do argue a bit from time to time.
Not all that different from this one in many respects.
Title: Re: Kindle and "E" readers.
Post by: Gman on September 28, 2010, 02:05:32 AM
Thanks for all your information and help GhostH, it greatly helped my decision of which reader to buy an informed one.
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Post by: Ghosth on September 28, 2010, 07:40:23 AM
What did you decide to go with Gman?
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Post by: maddafinga on October 01, 2010, 07:36:09 PM
Ghosth, was the the Silmarillion on your jetbook right there?
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Post by: Gman on October 01, 2010, 11:52:17 PM
I found the Jetbook on sale for 99$ at Newegg here in Canada, so I bought it.....they sold out in a couple days, both white and grey color.  So far it's been exactly what I wanted.  It's very simple to use, and supports a lot of different formats (except for .lit, I have to convert those).  I have a good 300 books uploaded to it now, should keep me busy for quite a while.
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Post by: Ghosth on October 02, 2010, 02:14:20 PM
Mad I believe so, think I have most of Tolkien stashed both on computer and Jetbook.

Gman I use Amber Lit converter for converting .lit Files. It will do batch conversions. Plus its free, and you can choose your output format. Personally I prefer the .rtf.

Yell if you have any questions or problems. Stop on by mobileread and say hi.
Lots of great tips on everything from which rechargable battery's to use to formatting sd cards, or upgrading firmware.
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Post by: Qrsu on October 02, 2010, 02:27:07 PM
My kindle doesn't cause me any eyestrain at all, even if I read it for hours at a time.  The background actually seems to have a sort of slightly off white and even looks like it has a papery texture.  It looks like cheap paperback texture to me actually.  It doesn't seem to be backlit really, I have to use a book light to read it at  night with the lights off.  It's not like a computer screen at all.  

I love that about the kindle - no backlighting at all. Just ink on paper.  :aok
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Post by: Gman on October 03, 2010, 12:23:13 AM
Ya Amberlit was the first program I found about 10 minutes after I bought it.  Thanks again for you help/advice...I was in for a meeting today and lent it to a guy who was in the waiting room while I was in for my appointment and when I came out he didn't want to give it back and went straight from there to buy one.