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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Mister Fork on September 27, 2010, 03:30:35 PM
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Thanks to the regulars in here for helping us update the official A&VSD list. We try to keep it as accurate as possible, but in the end, this list is a fairly accurate representation when they were operational in units - it doesn't have to be 99.9999% right - we're after the 80%. :)
We now have a list that helps SEA and AvA admins balance setups with the aircraft and vehicles we have at our disposal.
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Aircraft and Vehcile Service Dates
LAST Updated: September 16, 2010
Aircraft
USA
A-20G ... 5-42
B-17G ... 6-43
B-25C ... 1-41
B-25H ... 9-44
B-24J ... 5-43
B-26B ... 5-42
C-47A ... 12-41
P-38G ... 11-42
P-38J ... 12-43(ETO) 2-44(PTO)
P-38L ... 7-44
P-39D .... 10-41(ETO), 4-42(PTO), 5-42(EF)
P-39Q ... 10-43 (PTO) 11-43 (EF) 1-44 (MTO)
P-40B ... 1-41
P-40E ... 8-41
P-47D-11 ... 3-43(D5) to 1-44(D11)
P-47D-25 ... 5-44
P-47D-40 ... 1-45(ETO)
P-47N ... 6-45
P-51B ... 12-43(ETO),8-44(CBI)
P51D ... 5-44(ETO),1-45(CBI&PTO)
F4F-4 ... 9-41(ETO),5-42(PTO)
FM-2 ... 6-44(ETO),10-44(PTO)
F6F-5 ... 7-44
F4U-1 ... 2-43(ETO),4-44(ETO)
F4U-1A ... 7-43(PTO),12-43(ETO)
F4U-1D ... 1-45
F4U-1C ... 4-45
F4U-4 ... 4-45
F6F-5 ... 7-44
SBD-5 ... 5-43
TBM-3 ... 2-43
Britain
Boston MK III ... 5-41
Hurricane Mk I ... 5-40
Hurricane IIC ... 4-41
Hurricane IID ... 6-42
Lancaster III ... 3-42
Mosquito Mk VI ... 7-43(ETO),11-43(PTO&CBI)
Mosquito B.XVI ... 1-44(ETO)
Spitfire Mk IA ... 8-40
Seafire IIC ... 10-42,11-43(ETO)
Spitfire V ... 4-41
Spitfire VIII ... 7-43
Spitfire Mk IX ... 7-42
Spitfire Mk XIV ... 5-44,7-45(CBI)
Spitfire Mk XVI ... 7-44
Tempest V ... 5-44
Typhoon IB ... 11-43*
Finland
B-239 Brewster ... 3-40
Soviet
I-16... 1-40*
Il-2 Type 3 ... 10-42
La-5FN ... 3-43
La-7 ... 6-44
Yak-9T ... 1-43
Yak-9U ... 7/8-44
Italy
C.202 ... 11-41
C.205 ... 1-43
Japan
A6M2 ... 7-40
A6M5b ... 8-43
B5N2 ... 7-40
D3A-1 ... 7-40
Ki-61 ... 6-43
Ki-84-la ... 8-44 (CBI),10-44(PTO)
Ki-67 ... 4-44
N1K2-J ... 1-45
Germany
Ar 234B ... 12-44
Bf 109E-4 ... 5-40
Bf 109F-4 ... 6-41
Bf 109G-2 ... 6-42
Bf 109G-6 ... 2-43
Bf 109G-14 ... 7-44
Bf 109K-4 ... 10-44
Bf 110C-4b ... 8-40
Bf 110G-2 ... 5-42
Fw 190A-5 ... 6-43*
Fw 190A-8 ... 2-44
Fw 190D-9 ... 12-44
Fw 190F-8 ... 4-44
Ju 88A-4 ... 5-41
Me 262 ... 10-44
Me 163 ... 9-44
Ta 152H ... 1-45
Vehicles
USA
LVT(A)2 ...2-44
LVT(A)4 ...3-44
M-3 Halftrack...3-41
M-8 ...9-42
M-16 ...5-43
Sherman VC ...6-44(ETO)
M4A1 ...9-42(ETO), 1-43(PTO)
M4A3(76) ...7-44
Germany
Ostwind ... 8-44
Panzer IV Type H ... 8-44
Tiger I ...8-42
SdKfz 251...6-40
Wirbelwind...4-44
Soviet
T-34/76 ... 2-43
T-34/85 ...2-44
Theatres of Operations
ETO - Europe
MTO - Mediterranean
PTO - Pacific
CBI - China-Burma-India/CHINA-BURMA-INDIA
Notes:
* - due to the similiarity to earlier varients, this aircraft can be used as a substitute for earlier models.
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Notes:
* - due to the similiarity to earlier varients, this aircraft can be used as a substitute for earlier models.[/sup]
I'm about to split hairs and I think the asterisk should be applied next to Ki-61.
I believe the ki-61 we have is a later variant (1944?). Majority of earlier ones were shor-nosed and had 4x 12.7mm guns.
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F4U-1 ... 2-43(ETO),4-44(ETO)
Just a little confusing.
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F4U-1 ... 2-43(ETO),4-44(ETO)
Just a little confusing.
Yep, should be 2-43PTO and 4-44ETO - thanks for finding that typo... :)
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F4U-1 ... 2-43(ETO),4-44(ETO)
Just a little confusing.
did not VF-12 & VF-17 both not have their F4U-1's in October of 1942? and then VF-12 was ordered by the Navy to turn their's over to the Marine Corps.... yet VF-17 still was allowed to keep theirs, although in September of 1943 VF-17 was moved to land based in the New Georgia area of the pacific...... and VF-18 ( F6f-3 squadron ) replaced VF-17 on the Bunker Hill.......
quote from "Osprey aircam aviation #23 page # 5"
CORSAIRS WITH THE U. S. NAVYAlthough the Navy did receive the F4U-1 Corsair
before the Marines (VF-12 began accepting deliveries on
3 October 1942) the Marine Corps had priority on
delivery of F4U's
quote from "Osprey aircam aviation #23 page # 5"VF-12, upon arrival at Espiritu Santo, turned its F4U's
over to the Marines and began to re-equip itself with
F6F-3 Hellcats for carrier operations.
is this helpful?
edit: nevermind Feb 1943 is correct
CORSAIRS WITH THE MARINESGuadalcanal
The U.S.M.C. accepted Corsairs in August and Sep-
tember 1942, assigning the aircraft to VMF-124. The
squadron achieved combat readiness by the end of
December and was delivered to Espiritu Santo in early
February, where it flew into the war zone led by its
commanding officer, Major William E. Gise. Arriving on
Guadalcanal on 12 February 1942,
I guess this is the date by which the list is going off of, sorry
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VF-17 never flew the -1 (birdcage) into combat. They trained in the -1, but transitioned into the -1A before they deployed.
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The dates for the Hurricane I can't be right. The Brits had hundreds in service at the outbreak of war in '39. Some were sent with expeditionary force - or have I missed something here.
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um im going to go out on a limb here but isnt the Sherman VC Firefly considered a british tank even though the hull was american. wasnt the turret british designed since the gun was a british gun too just wondering
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Yes, it was considered British - in the sense that they had taken delivery of hundreds of Shermans and they modified some of them by replacing the gun with their 17pdr. I don't know if any saw service in the US army.
However the Churchill was quite useful for bridge building, flame throwing, etc. Although tough the gun was at best mediocre and it was really very slow. Armour was very good though. Not really suitable for Aces High as I see it.
The Cromwell was OK - about on a par with the Sherman/MkIV, but the Comet was better again. Other tanks like the Crusader actually performed very well in the early years in N. Africa, but were quickly out classed by later German models.
Now the Bren-gun carrier would be a fun addition. Like a jeep, probably a bit slower, but with the mortar option it could help de-ack a field from a distance or supply a V. supplies. Brits employed thousands of the things.
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Yes, it was considered British - in the sense that they had taken delivery of hundreds of Shermans and they modified some of them by replacing the gun with their 17pdr. I don't know if any saw service in the US army.
However the Churchill was quite useful for bridge building, flame throwing, etc. Although tough the gun was at best mediocre and it was really very slow. Armour was very good though. Not really suitable for Aces High as I see it.
The Cromwell was OK - about on a par with the Sherman/MkIV, but the Comet was better again. Other tanks like the Crusader actually performed very well in the early years in N. Africa, but were quickly out classed by later German models.
Now the Bren-gun carrier would be a fun addition. Like a jeep, probably a bit slower, but with the mortar option it could help de-ack a field from a distance or supply a V. supplies. Brits employed thousands of the things.
yes the carrier should be in there it was also used as a mini flamethrower called the wasp
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The dates for the Hurricane I can't be right. The Brits had hundreds in service at the outbreak of war in '39. Some were sent with expeditionary force - or have I missed something here.
We do have the Hurricane I using 100 oct fuel, cleared for 12lbs boost. That fuel was becoming available in early 1940.
Also I think we might have the additional head & back armour that was installed in May 1940.
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Aha! It was the Hurri I - but with the bits added to it in 1940. A sort of 'Hurricane Ia'. That explains it.
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Good stuff guys.
Reminder - if anyone comes across data that conflicts with our dates, let me know with the source.
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The dates for the Hurricane I can't be right. The Brits had hundreds in service at the outbreak of war in '39. Some were sent with expeditionary force - or have I missed something here.
The Hurricane first entered service on 111 Sqn in late 1937-early 1938. The first RAF and Hurricane Ace was New Zealander F/O Edgar "Cobber" Kain http://www.cambridgeairforce.org.nz/Cobber%20Kain.htm http://rnzaf.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Wartime&action=display&thread=12433 who scored his first victory over a Do-17 in an earlier Hurricane I with the fabric covered wings and de H 3 blade, 2 pitch prop on 9 November 1939.
There is evidence that all Merlin IIs and IIIs began to be converted to use 100 Octane fuel some time after November 1939 http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/hurricane/hurricane-12lbs-14nov39.jpg and was being used in 111 Sqn Hurricanes in February 1940 http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/hurricane/111-15feb40-100-octane.jpg.
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Fw 190 D-9 in-service date is wrong with 12/44:
III.JG 54 converted to the D-9 at the end of 9/44 and was full strength in 10/44
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/biiijg54.html
II./JG 26 was the next group to receive them in 11/44
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/biijg26.html
The Ta-152H sounds like one month too early.
The La-5FN is too early as well as in 3/44 the prototype first flew. The 32nd guards air corps is claimed to be the first operational with La-5FN and flew them in the battle of Kursk. 5/44 sounds like a more reasonable date.
La-7: 6/44 is when the first La-7 were assembled at Moscow plant #381. 7/44 should fit better.
I assume the Panzer IV Ausf. H must be some kind of typo - they were built from March 1943 and not late 1944.