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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tupac on September 28, 2010, 12:24:37 AM
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Lets keep this non-political please, but this is kinda cool.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/09/27/bts.ufo.activity.cnn?hpt=T2
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Humans have a knack for some excellent stories for those things that they cannot understand. The UFO idea has become so prevalent in society that upon any instance of an unexplained light source, the link to a UFO is made. I believe that that connection helps alter the perception of the lights to match a preconceived idea of lights in the sky. The creditable sources for this kind of information are so few and far between, it takes a lot of faith to believe aliens are visiting earth.
Here's my question, if there really is an alien species out there that can travel unfathomable distances through space, evade all our telescopes and radars and defense systems, why can't they ever turn off the damn lights!?
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Of course UFO's are real. Unidentified Flying Object.
Or as the military used to call them UFOB's. It has always been one of my pet peeves when people use UFO to be synonymous with E.T. craft. Anything unidentifiable is a UFO, even if it's only some guy in a lawn chair with balloons floating along.
Stories of UFO incursions in and around high security military installations are many, and have been around for decades. I met a guy last summer who was an MP at the Minot, ND missile silos during such and incident in the 80's.
The UFO idea has become so prevalent in society that upon any instance of an unexplained light source, the link to a UFO is made.
My pet peeve exactly!! An Unidentifiable Flying Object/light source is by definition a UFO. UFO does not = ET
As to the rest of your comment there are hundreds of UFO accounts made by airline pilots, military pilots and ground personnel, law enforcement officers (over hundreds of miles, several hours and several different counties), even the former Governor of Arizona (who admits he denied it and mocked others who saw it at the time, only to later feel ashamed and come forward.) How much more "credible" do you want?
I'm not saying they are extra-terrestrial (I don't know) but the phenomenon is very real.
EDIT: I'll put myself on the line here too. I have seen a UFO in the presence of 5 other people... ... and no, none of us were high or intoxicated, and one was an experienced pilot, and another an astronomer. Nobody had a clue as to what could do what we all saw.
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funny how with all of this grand and absolute proof of e.t.'s existence that only the monkey media has put out the story.
yep if i was some guy with absolute proof they are just the credible people i would give it to to tell the world, to hell with the new york times or the washington post, who the hell are they in comparison.
the fact that its on cnn's web sight doesn't mean that cnn supports the story, hell any of us can request to post any story on the sight. if they think it will get hits then they will allow it, contact them and request a copy of their publication agreement. i know this because a few years ago a person i was acquainted with requested to post a local story about raising live stock.
they sent him the agreement form to fill out he sent them a copy of the video he wanted published and the next day it was on the cite. they did not do any form of back ground or research on the matter as within his agreement he accepted full responsibility for any and all legal issues that may arise from the video he posted.
so any video you see posted on a news agencies sight, without one of their own anchors or journalist corroborating it and accepting some responsibility for the statements made within, doesn't mean squat. if they dont back its because to them its not real news or its not reasonably supported.
i think you could bet that if e.t. was proven absolute then it would be a much bigger story than to rank in the back video section of just the web sight. i think maybe it would rank an actual tv broadcast.
but for the sake of just being interesting, yes it was :)
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Here's my question, if there really is an alien species out there that can travel unfathomable distances through space, evade all our telescopes and radars and defense systems, why can't they ever turn off the damn lights!?
yup :lol
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I thought two movies to be pretty kewl.
Take it witha grain of salt
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/43406/UFO_4_your_eyes_only_part_1/
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/43409/UFO_4_your_eyes_only_part_2/
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Here's my question, if there really is an alien species out there that can travel unfathomable distances through space, evade all our telescopes and radars and defense systems, why can't they ever turn off the damn lights!?
They probably have FNGs at various posts around the ship.. especially the 'Landing Light Deployment Officer' that will, occasionally, screw up and turn them on at the wrong time.
Or.. maybe some cosmic rednecks that like to play with the planets they visit.. "Here, Zorg, hold my Valarium Ale and watch this!!"
Who's to say how many remember to turn off the lights and nobody ever knows they're there?
Ever see an elephant hiding in a tree? Good, aren't they?
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Lets keep this non-political please, but this is kinda cool.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/09/27/bts.ufo.activity.cnn?hpt=T2
yes, there is other life in the universe. yes there are ufo's.
here's my outlook.
if we(human beings) are the best that the big guy upstairs could come up with.......then something is seriously wonky.
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Humans have a knack for some excellent stories for those things that they cannot understand. The UFO idea has become so prevalent in society that upon any instance of an unexplained light source, the link to a UFO is made. I believe that that connection helps alter the perception of the lights to match a preconceived idea of lights in the sky. The creditable sources for this kind of information are so few and far between, it takes a lot of faith to believe aliens are visiting earth.
Here's my question, if there really is an alien species out there that can travel unfathomable distances through space, evade all our telescopes and radars and defense systems, why can't they ever turn off the damn lights!?
What about the one's in the daytime?
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Humans have a knack for some excellent stories for those things that they cannot understand. The UFO idea has become so prevalent in society that upon any instance of an unexplained light source, the link to a UFO is made.
Isn't that the definition of a UFO? ;)
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Isn't that the definition of a UFO? ;)
That's always my favorite when I have a UFO discussion with someone. " I don't know what it is but it's not a UFO." :headscratch:
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Isn't that the definition of a UFO? ;)
hehe exactly :D
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That's always my favorite when I have a UFO discussion with someone. " I don't know what it is but it's not a UFO." :headscratch:
:rofl
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Yep, I suppose I interchanged use of Unidentified Flying Object with alien craft, but that mistake kind of backs up my point. When someone sees unidentified lights in the sky, they jump to alien ship.
I'll try this again: There are plenty of credible sources of unidentified flying objects, there are very few credible sources for alien aircraft.
Btw, I believe in alien life, I just haven't seen the evidence that they are visiting earth.
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Yep, I suppose I interchanged use of Unidentified Flying Object with alien craft, but that mistake kind of backs up my point. When someone sees unidentified lights in the sky, they jump to alien ship.
I'll try this again: There are plenty of credible sources of unidentified flying objects, there are very few credible sources for alien aircraft.
Btw, I believe in alien life, I just haven't seen the evidence that they are visiting earth.
Hey, if I was an alien visiting an other planet I would definitely make my self known by flashing bright lights over a trailer park :rofl :rofl :rofl Not to mention that I would always use a different type of space craft
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Hey, if I was an alien visiting an other planet I would definitely make my self known by flashing bright lights over a trailer park :rofl :rofl :rofl Not to mention that I would always use a different type of space craft
Trailer park girls are awesome!! :rock :rock
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I'm going to go out on a limb here. I don't know much about this stuff and it won't explain every UFO sighting.
Could it be possible that the radioactive material at the nuclear weapon storage sites is somehow reacting with the earth's magnetic field much like the Northern Lights?
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They cant keep feeding on cattle blood .... If we knew they were here someone might posion them. :devil
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I'm going to go out on a limb here. I don't know much about this stuff and it won't explain every UFO sighting.
Could it be possible that the radioactive material at the nuclear weapon storage sites is somehow reacting with the earth's magnetic field much like the Northern Lights?
:bolt:
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Here's my question, if there really is an alien species out there that can travel unfathomable distances through space, evade all our telescopes and radars and defense systems, why can't they ever turn off the damn lights!?
Honestly, if there are aliens they are going to think we're a stupid race that likes things shoved up our butt since they only seem to pick up the rednecks that live in trailer parks that liked to get probed.
ack-ack
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The...INVA--DERS
(a Quinn Martin Production) :aok
"Pretty neat ,..pretty cool"
Sun
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I find it interesting how some on this board always stick up for the military, and (rightly so) hold honest, hard working military personnel in the highest esteem.
That is until they come forward and talk about UFO's, and hypothesize that they might me of ET origin... ... ...
Then suddenly they are wackos, and nutjobs. Remember these guys are USAF Captains, ( I think they know their military aircraft pretty well) who cannot explain what they, along with dozens of their subordinates, saw. It bothers me that some dismiss all unexplainable phenomena away so quickly with the "wackos" or "rednecks in trailer parks" argument, without even bothering for one instance to consider the validity or credibility of their claims. Always just the knee-jerk reaction of "Oh, he said UFO, he's a wacko."
For all you mockers I would ask you to seriously look into some of these instances.
JAL flight 1628 over Alaska. UFO spotted by experienced airline pilots, it tailed them through several turns, tracked on military ground and airborne radar, even the FAA investigated it.
Or the famous Ohio UFO in the 60's which police chased/followed over several hours and counties. I've read about other more recent similar cases, but I can't remember where they took place.
The UFO at Chicago O'Hare a few years ago.
These are just a few of the real good UFO cases. I'll freely admit that most of the UFO hype IS BS, and there are a lot of wackos out there who make up stuff just to get attention. But buried in all that BS there are also REAL unexplainable events, with multiple, reliable, credible sources.
The military took UFO's very seriously for a while, they regarded it as a potential national threat and started project Blue Book with top scientists. When they realized that they just could not explain away some of the sightings, they adopted the mock and ridicule tactic to diffuse public curiosity on the subject. Obviously this worked well.
Don't be so quick to dismiss every case as simply wackos until you've at least looked into it a bit.
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But buried in all that BS there are also REAL unexplainable events, with multiple, reliable, credible sources.
I don't think anyone is denying there are unexplained events, but that in of itself doesn't explain anything.
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I don't think anyone is denying there are unexplained events, but that in of itself doesn't explain anything.
I guess I'm just shocked to see some in here seemingly mocking these military personnel by association with trailer trash rednecks, wackos, and anal probes.
I think it would be neat to have a serious, grown up, conversation about this topic (UFO incursions of military sights). But it seems most are just falling back on knee-jerk mocking, instead of actually thinking about it.
The mentality seems to be: "It happens, but I can't explain it, so rather then admit that, I'll just dismiss those who report it as wackos. There... that's better, now I'm comfortable in my seemingly intellectual superiority"
So far Killer91 has been the only one to dare go out on a limb and offer an alternate possible explanation.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here. I don't know much about this stuff and it won't explain every UFO sighting.
Could it be possible that the radioactive material at the nuclear weapon storage sites is somehow reacting with the earth's magnetic field much like the Northern Lights?
I can't see how. I don't think that that kind of radiation reacts with the magnetic field at all. I mean the solar radiation that creates the Aurora is enormous by comparison.
Besides even if it did, it's not like the whole area is radioactive, only the warheads, which are quite small and shielded. Otherwise you'd have a lot of very sick MPs.
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What kind of conversation do you want us to have!?
What do we have to go off of?
Is Killer's post have any basis in science or is just mere speculation written up pretty? (Not meaning any offense Killer91, I just mean I don't know)
This has been in public conversation for decades, what more can we say?
Again, no one is saying these people didn't see something , but there really is a point you can only delve so deep into a story when all you have to go off of is a personal account. There are still those things in the world we just cannot explain yet. It's okay to have the unknown, no reason to fill that void with aliens.
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What kind of conversation do you want us to have!?
What do we have to go off of?
Is Killer's post have any basis in science or is just mere speculation written up pretty? (Not meaning any offense Killer91, I just mean I don't know)
This has been in public conversation for decades, what more can we say?
Again, no one is saying these people didn't see something , but there really is a point you can only delve so deep into a story when all you have to go off of is a personal account. There are still those things in the world we just cannot explain yet. It's okay to have the unknown, no reason to fill that void with aliens.
I agree, if you don't have a possible explanation than there is not much to say other then "I don't know."
So my point is, why all the jokes and mocking?
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saggs my doubt of the military people that come out with these stories is based on simplistic fact. let me give you 2 scenarios to pick from:
an alleged event happens at a nuclear weapons facility and the military labels this event as classified because the powers that be want to hide it. an "air force captain" comes out years later and talks about it..........
#1 that captain, who is retired now, gets pulled back into active duty and is court martialed and goes to prison for the divulging of national secrets in a public forum. all of the film and any records of the event are seized and those who put him up to this devulgance are charged as co-conspirators soon to be doing 5 years in prison themselves.
#2 UFO hounds find some former officer or soldier who was stationed in a possibly interesting place, such as a nuclear weapons facility, and they make a monetary offer to this person to corroborate some story that someone else allegedly told to the UFO hounds. now this former officer or soldier has no idea about any of the alledged events and has never been ordered to keep his/her mouth shut on the matter nor have they been required to sign a secrecy agreement on the matter. they do some general checking on the possible secrecy status of the story to be sure they are not breaking any laws first, when they realize its all just BS and they wont get into trouble they take the free money and spit out whatever story they were asked to corroborate because they are not looking at prison time.
which version to you seems far more plausible??????
now as a lil bit of basis for my theory i will tell you this, my father works in the private sector of the military weapons industry. he has security clearance that would allow him to walk in and take toys off the shelf, not just read a brief report on what something may potentially do. so when he sees these guys coming out and telling these stories he laughs, and his only remark is this "if he is in custody tomorrow then maybe there was a little truth in what he said, otherwise its a lie and the military is playing a joke on the village idiots".
my father wont even say the last names of civilians who work with him, when the military decides something is a secret then that is all there is to it. nobody, especially a soldier of any rank, whether on active inactive or retired duty status, may divulge even the smallest aspect of the event to the public. violation of this is subject to federal, and in the case of military personnel, military law. so even if you are giving up the absolute truth about having dinner with ET himself and providing pictures and video of the event, you are still violating military and federal laws and YOU WILL GO TO PRISON.
when it comes to secrets they dont look at what you are disclosing, that is irrelevant, they are only concerned with the fact that you are disclosing.
as to the rest of the conversation about the existance of ET....well i will give you your dues and agree by saying "i dont know".
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I'm not saying these guys are genuine, they may be liars, who knows, But I can refute points from both your scenarios:
#1 that captain, who is retired now, gets pulled back into active duty and is court martialed and goes to prison for the divulging of national secrets in a public forum. all of the film and any records of the event are seized and those who put him up to this devulgance are charged as co-conspirators soon to be doing 5 years in prison themselves.
Why would the military brass bother pulling him back for a court martial? This would only lend credence to his story, when, if they just ignore it completely they know that 80% of the public will simply think he is a crazy nutjob and the story dies out quickly. Imagine if the military does pull him in for a court martial, then the media is all over the UFO story because it suddenly has new found credibility.
#2 UFO hounds find some former officer or soldier who was stationed in a possibly interesting place, such as a nuclear weapons facility, and they make a monetary offer to this person to corroborate some story that someone else allegedly told to the UFO hounds.
Cause I'm sure that all these wacko UFO hounds are rolling in the $$$$ and have hundreds of thousands to throw around bribing USAF personnel.
now this former officer or soldier has no idea about any of the alledged events and has never been ordered to keep his/her mouth shut on the matter nor have they been required to sign a secrecy agreement on the matter. they do some general checking on the possible secrecy status of the story to be sure they are not breaking any laws first, when they realize its all just BS and they wont get into trouble they take the free money and spit out whatever story they were asked to corroborate because they are not looking at prison time.
But why? Why would these UFO conspirators do this. They're not coming forward themselves, they get no notoriety. What is there motive for supposedly bribing folks to corroborate fake stories? Money? nope, you say they are losing money. Power? nope, they get no position or esteem from it. Ego? nope, the folks they bribe get all the attention. Your logic is missing a key element.... motive.
Lastly, I said before I met a man who was a lowly MP at Minot, ND in the 80's during a UFO incursion. He told me about it around the campfire one night. I trust him because I have no reason not to. He is not selling his story, he's never been on late night AM radio, he gets no notoriety from it, he is not a wacko or mentally ill, (he is a civilian DOD contractor now.) After the incident he said there was no threatening to keep quiet, or men in black, or secrecy acts to sign. It happened, it was weird, they talked about during their long boring shifts for a while, eventually there was nothing more to talk about, end of story.
Anyways, I respect your, and your father's opinions, and I feel they have some validity, like I said most of it is probably is BS phony stuff.
But I don't think it all is. Look at the JAL 1628 incident, did someone bribe all those pilots, and radar operators too? The FAA obviously thought it had some credence. Or the police officers, they had to have been all bribed beforehand to set it all up, since their radio calls as they chased it are all on tape. What about former AZ governor Fife Symington, he already has lots and lots of money, they must have given him a really humongous bribe. And what about what I personally saw? No one bribed me, and I have been mocked for it, oh well, I'm over it.
In this instance I will concede that it is entirely possible that these guys made it all up for the attention or whatever reason. But still you just can't dismiss all UFO phenomena as liars or wackos.
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But still you just can't dismiss all UFO phenomena as liars or wackos.
No, you can't. Only 99.9999999% can be dismissed as liars or wackos.
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No, you can't. Only 99.9999999% can be dismissed as liars or wackos.
There is way too much video available, with more gathered everyday, to just pass it off as " drunken redneck wackos who saw a weatherballon caught in windshear while flying through swamp gas with ball lightning passing in front of Venus."
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Why is an unidentified flashing light in the sky immediately associated with aliens?
It could be god for all we know.
:eek:
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I find it interesting how some on this board always stick up for the military, and (rightly so) hold honest, hard working military personnel in the highest esteem.
That is until they come forward and talk about UFO's, and hypothesize that they might me of ET origin... ... ...
Then suddenly they are wackos, and nutjobs. Remember these guys are USAF Captains, ( I think they know their military aircraft pretty well) who cannot explain what they, along with dozens of their subordinates, saw. It bothers me that some dismiss all unexplainable phenomena away so quickly with the "wackos" or "rednecks in trailer parks" argument, without even bothering for one instance to consider the validity or credibility of their claims. Always just the knee-jerk reaction of "Oh, he said UFO, he's a wacko."
For all you mockers I would ask you to seriously look into some of these instances.
JAL flight 1628 over Alaska. UFO spotted by experienced airline pilots, it tailed them through several turns, tracked on military ground and airborne radar, even the FAA investigated it.
Or the famous Ohio UFO in the 60's which police chased/followed over several hours and counties. I've read about other more recent similar cases, but I can't remember where they took place.
The UFO at Chicago O'Hare a few years ago.
These are just a few of the real good UFO cases. I'll freely admit that most of the UFO hype IS BS, and there are a lot of wackos out there who make up stuff just to get attention. But buried in all that BS there are also REAL unexplainable events, with multiple, reliable, credible sources.
The military took UFO's very seriously for a while, they regarded it as a potential national threat and started project Blue Book with top scientists. When they realized that they just could not explain away some of the sightings, they adopted the mock and ridicule tactic to diffuse public curiosity on the subject. Obviously this worked well.
Don't be so quick to dismiss every case as simply wackos until you've at least looked into it a bit.
Good post, saggs.
It is sometimes a real challenge to get a serious discussion on this topic.
As for me...I tend to respect these guys that came forward. The list of witnesses of high caliber continues to increase.
Regards,
Sun
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anything is possible. :noid
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Aliens with bright lights???
At least Illegal aliens have the common sense to turn their lights off so not to be seen. :D
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"Why is an unidentified flashing light in the sky immediately associated with aliens?
It could be god for all we know."
"Aliens with bright lights??? At least Illegal aliens have the common sense to turn their lights off so not to be seen."
Exactly my thoughts too!! :D
If they do exist, to begin with, and are merely observing what we do they do it quite badly. If the light is, say, some kind of by product of their high speed travel in atmosphere or other byproduct of propulsion system why don't they cool off or whatever in desolate areas and then move on to observe the habited areas if that's what they are supposedly "stealthily" doing.
UFOs with headlights on because otherwise they would not see where they are going... :lol
If there are aliens around I give a rat'sass as long as they have no effect on my everyday life.
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I thought two movies to be pretty kewl.
Take it witha grain of salt
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/43406/UFO_4_your_eyes_only_part_1/
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/43409/UFO_4_your_eyes_only_part_2/
Grain of salt indeed.... never the less, that was some amazing footage.
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I find it interesting how some on this board always stick up for the military, and (rightly so) hold honest, hard working military personnel in the highest esteem.
That is until they come forward and talk about UFO's, and hypothesize that they might me of ET origin... ... ...
Then suddenly they are wackos, and nutjobs. Remember these guys are USAF Captains, ( I think they know their military aircraft pretty well) who cannot explain what they, along with dozens of their subordinates, saw. It bothers me that some dismiss all unexplainable phenomena away so quickly with the "wackos" or "rednecks in trailer parks" argument, without even bothering for one instance to consider the validity or credibility of their claims. Always just the knee-jerk reaction of "Oh, he said UFO, he's a wacko."
For all you mockers I would ask you to seriously look into some of these instances.
JAL flight 1628 over Alaska. UFO spotted by experienced airline pilots, it tailed them through several turns, tracked on military ground and airborne radar, even the FAA investigated it.
Or the famous Ohio UFO in the 60's which police chased/followed over several hours and counties. I've read about other more recent similar cases, but I can't remember where they took place.
The UFO at Chicago O'Hare a few years ago.
These are just a few of the real good UFO cases. I'll freely admit that most of the UFO hype IS BS, and there are a lot of wackos out there who make up stuff just to get attention. But buried in all that BS there are also REAL unexplainable events, with multiple, reliable, credible sources.
The military took UFO's very seriously for a while, they regarded it as a potential national threat and started project Blue Book with top scientists. When they realized that they just could not explain away some of the sightings, they adopted the mock and ridicule tactic to diffuse public curiosity on the subject. Obviously this worked well.
Don't be so quick to dismiss every case as simply wackos until you've at least looked into it a bit.
The fact that some one could not explain something, does not make it of ET origin.
The chances that some advance civilization from far away came here to flash lights at a farm and probe rednecks for 40 years are very slim.
I'd like to see a UFO over the white house instead of a farm or trailer park. And I mean a UFO of ET origin, not a glider with lights on it :lol
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I'm not saying these guys are genuine, they may be liars, who knows, But I can refute points from both your scenarios:
Why would the military brass bother pulling him back for a court martial? This would only lend credence to his story, when, if they just ignore it completely they know that 80% of the public will simply think he is a crazy nutjob and the story dies out quickly. Imagine if the military does pull him in for a court martial, then the media is all over the UFO story because it suddenly has new found credibility.
they would arrest him and charge him because the fact that he disclosed what was classified as a secret, the secret divulged is irrelevant, its the talking about it that matters. in addition they can still through his arse in prison and they can still bury the story in any tale of BS they want to spin
Cause I'm sure that all these wacko UFO hounds are rolling in the $$$$ and have hundreds of thousands to throw around bribing USAF personnel.
well they have enough money to own private planes, pay for fuel and upkeep and fly UFO patrols all over the country. they have enough money to fly on commercial flights all over the world and stay in hotels for prolonged periods of time while investigating reported sightings
But why? Why would these UFO conspirators do this. They're not coming forward themselves, they get no notoriety. What is there motive for supposedly bribing folks to corroborate fake stories? Money? nope, you say they are losing money. Power? nope, they get no position or esteem from it. Ego? nope, the folks they bribe get all the attention. Your logic is missing a key element.... motive.
fame and notoriety are definite motives. contrary to what you believe they get alot of it in their own circles and in the public eye, for example have you seen the shows on TV that some of these guys produce and star in? (they also get paid for this) how about the books that these guys write on a constant basis, who do you think gets paid for that? they also get to be king at the UFO conventions. people who have never been an anybody will do some amazing things for a little bit of attention
Lastly, I said before I met a man who was a lowly MP at Minot, ND in the 80's during a UFO incursion. He told me about it around the campfire one night. I trust him because I have no reason not to. He is not selling his story, he's never been on late night AM radio, he gets no notoriety from it, he is not a wacko or mentally ill, (he is a civilian DOD contractor now.) After the incident he said there was no threatening to keep quiet, or men in black, or secrecy acts to sign. It happened, it was weird, they talked about during their long boring shifts for a while, eventually there was nothing more to talk about, end of story.
your friends story is the kind of story that i would have some belief in, not in that ET was there for a certainty, but that an event happened that your friend witnessed and that he couldn't explain. it is what it is and that is all there is to it. those kind of stories that truly make you stop and say hmmmmmm :headscratch:
Anyways, I respect your, and your father's opinions, and I feel they have some validity, like I said most of it is probably is BS phony stuff.
But I don't think it all is. Look at the JAL 1628 incident, did someone bribe all those pilots, and radar operators too? The FAA obviously thought it had some credence. OR the police officers, they had to have been all bribed beforehand to set it all up, since their radio calls as they chased it are all on tape. What about former AZ governor Fife Symington, he already has lots and lots of money, they must have given him a really humongous bribe. And what about what I personally saw? No one bribed me, and I have been mocked for it, oh well, I'm over it.
the FAA is actually required to start and conduct an investigation anytime some one says there was any kind of event on board a commercial airliner. thats like saying that a person must be a drug dealer because so and so said he was and the DEA investigated him. just because there is an investigation into something does not mean that there was truly anything that went on. it must be investigated before it can be explained in either direction. in addition do you know that the FAA has been investigating ghosting of commercial flights by drug smugglers and possible terrorist/enemy incursions into American airspace for a long time now? a small leer type jet will fly in the radar shadow of a commercial plain to avoid detection from ground radar. if the ghosting pilot makes mistakes he will appear and disappear on ground radar. believe it or not this was actually first practiced by night escort fighters in WWII. as far as the police calls well that has the potential to be many things, maybe it was a craft not of earthly origin, or maybe it was a military flight i can only say i dont know.
In this instance I will concede that it is entirely possible that these guys made it all up for the attention or whatever reason. But still you just can't dismiss all UFO phenomena as liars or wackos.
i guess my biggest scepticism on the entire alien visitor thing is that we have more than a few types of early warning systems looking no just within our atmosphere but outside and into space as well. now if we can occasionally spot these ships on local radar why do we never spot them outside of our atmosphere, on their approach or as they exit? why do our satellites that listen in space never hear them enter or exit our atmosphere, why are their fireballs as they enter the atmosphere never seen on the video monitors that are pointed into space. when they have footage of those kinds of events then i will be less sceptical, but until then i will chose to maintain a healthy serving of doubt.
i do not dismiss all sightings as being from the mouth of waco's, i do not imply that your story or your friends story is fake or made up. i believe you saw something that you cant explain or dismiss in what would seem to be a rational manner. i am just very sceptical of those who want their time in the sunshine, those who tell their story with something to gain or those who are obsessed.
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Why is an unidentified flashing light in the sky immediately associated with aliens?
It could be god for all we know.
:eek:
I wasn't gonna say it, god has been the fallback for many things we can't explain, don't know how aliens stole this one away.
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Why is an unidentified flashing light in the sky immediately associated with aliens?
It could be god for all we know.
:eek:
Or his cousin Cletus that had a few more beers than he should have? That would also explain the trailer park visits :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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The biggest problem I have with jumping on the 'Aliens are here' bandwagon is the premise that if that is the case, our government has done an excellent job at covering it up. And I don't have faith our government is capable of something that well done.
That being said...
If it is a coverup, then, maybe it is for a very good reason. Maybe John Q. Public doesn't want to know the aliens are coming and the world will be destroyed in a few years. A fact of that magnitude would completely dissolve civil obedience and the mayhem that would ensue would be catastrophic..
I do not make any accusations against those that claim they saw something. I wasn't there, so I cannot judge.
In my heart, I hope they did see something of an alien origin. Would certainly spice things up a bit.
In the meantime, the volleys of 'they do exist' vs. 'they don't exist' is entertaining, to say the least.
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I wasn't gonna say it, god has been the fallback for many things we can't explain, don't know how aliens stole this one away.
Exactly my point, but the irony is that I think that between the two, the ET option is actually the more plausible one...
but still highly unlikely.
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Where's William Cooper when you need him? :lol
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Where's William Cooper when you need him? :lol
probably hanging out with DB.
I'm open to the idea of intelligent beings possibly visiting Earth in the past or, frankly, being among us now. If empirical proof was provided I'd be no more shocked and shaken than if the sun came up in the East tomorrow.
But I don't think that every light in the sky that can't be explained is of extraterrestrial origin. I also find it hard to believe that any alien civilization needs to do more than one or two rectal probes to get the information they need on our biological makeup.
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There was an interesting show on the Nat Geo channel last night about 'visitors' a few thousand years ago.
Can someone tell me how an Africa tribe knew for a very long time about the object circling Sirius which was only discovered recently?
Why do so many ancient civilizations, 1000s of miles apart, have flying objects in their history?
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There was an interesting show on the Nat Geo channel last night about 'visitors' a few thousand years ago.
Can someone tell me how an Africa tribe knew for a very long time about the object circling Sirius which was only discovered recently?
Why do so many ancient civilizations, 1000s of miles apart, have flying objects in their history?
Misinterpretations and wishful thinking of the archeologists / historians etc maybe? I mean, I ve read those things too but at the same time, if they had that knowledge, was it given to them or did they acquire it by them selves? Both have their problems.
Given to them: Why? How? Why was that useless peace of information given to them? Why not something they could use in every day life? What language did they use? Or did the aliens just dropped a tablet with that info and left? Why don;t they give any info now?
Acquired: Bigger problems here. If any one was so advanced to acquire that info on their own I would expect to see a better way of living and remainders of other knowledge also. Kind of strange that we are able to see objects circling Sirius but yet we light fire with rocks for example.
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I thought two movies to be pretty kewl.
Take it witha grain of salt
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/43406/UFO_4_your_eyes_only_part_1/
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/43409/UFO_4_your_eyes_only_part_2/
Some stuff I hadn't seen before. Thanks for the links 4deck :salute
Regards,
Sun
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maybe it is time travelers that came back and prevented a nuclear disaster that happened... in another time line....
probably clones of a certain California Governor....
wrag lives out near them nuclear test sites.... he does seem to know a lot about how crazy things are
I had in the past, just attributed it to him breathing too many gasoline fumes all of his life
but maybe, he isn't nuts...maybe he is a guardian from the future
:noid
NwBie
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
If you are intrigued about this subject watch this 2 hour worth of interviews, I've studied every piece of evidence I could find on this subject over the past couple of years and this 2 hour video sums it all up in a short period of time. Enjoy
By the way these interviews were done at the same place, Washington Press back during the Bush Administration.
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The Heavens = space.
Yes aliens are real, truth is they are more human then we are,and have been for probably millions of years. Remember children, the earth is not flat, the universe does not revolve around us, and heaven is no more a "location" in space then space is THE location of heaven.
You are not the minds of a 2nd century barbarian, you can go deep underwater, cruise at super sonic speeds, and yes, even go out into space, the limit is you. And not another space faring race,we call aliens.
Rub two brain cells together please, the earth needs that right about now.
EDIT: Oh and when credible long term high commanding military officers come forth and say "they are real, and they are not ours" you had better freggin' listen. Head up eyes open, they're here.
Here's another one to throw at ya, more water on earth then land, multiple contacts with object's moving at stupid fast speed under water,being tracked for weeks, then lost. Who says these UFO's are not just another race that lives deep under the ocean? The movie abyss, yeah.
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The Heavens = space.
Yes aliens are real, truth is they are more human then we are,and have been for probably millions of years. Remember children, the earth is not flat, the universe does not revolve around us, and heaven is no more a "location" in space then space is THE location of heaven.
You are not the minds of a 2nd century barbarian, you can go deep underwater, cruise at super sonic speeds, and yes, even go out into space, the limit is you. And not another space faring race,we call aliens.
Rub two brain cells together please, the earth needs that right about now.
EDIT: Oh and when credible long term high commanding military officers come forth and say "they are real, and they are not ours" you had better freggin' listen. Head up eyes open, they're here.
Here's another one to throw at ya, more water on earth then land, multiple contacts with object's moving at stupid fast speed under water,being tracked for weeks, then lost. Who says these UFO's are not just another race that lives deep under the ocean? The movie abyss, yeah.
yep they are USO's but they come up out of the water and again become UFO's from the research I have done there are Military bases that border the oceans and have long cables that are connected to the base. Communication device perhaps civilian reseachers can't come up with a reason why the military would have long cables on the bottom of the ocean floor. Anyways just threw that out there, something else to think about been 100's of USO sightings as well even craft coming up out of the water over a mile in length.
Heres a good story on USO's
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-8712.html
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Yes aliens are real, truth is they are more human then we are.
WHAT!? Did you read that after you wrote it?
Also, this whole discussion was really about UFO sightings, not so much a discussion on whether or not aliens exist. It is very possible to believe that aliens exist but just haven't ever visited earth, at least not since we've been around.
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Seriously, if there are intelligent aliens out navigating the stars.... Would they even bother to stop by Earth? This place is probably the "Detriot" of the universe.
Alien Wife: Admit it Zork, you're lost. Stop and get directions.
Alien Husband: No way Zag. Do you remember the last time?
Alien Wife: Oh yeah... That "Earth" place. Nevermind, I'll take my chances staying lost.
This is why none of them want to stop and say hi.
:D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
If you are intrigued about this subject watch this 2 hour worth of interviews, I've studied every piece of evidence I could find on this subject over the past couple of years and this 2 hour video sums it all up in a short period of time. Enjoy
By the way these interviews were done at the same place, Washington Press back during the Bush Administration.
For discussion sake, for the people here that don't believe ET's are real what do you think of the people in these interviews? Are they credible? Will they testify in front of Congress? all yes from what I see I just wish the military would come forward
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For discussion sake, for the people here that don't believe ET's are real what do you think of the people in these interviews? Are they credible? Will they testify in front of Congress? all yes from what I see I just wish the military would come forward
It's possible these guys are telling the truth, it's also possible they had hallucinations or are having delusions. I don't see any reason to believe one over the other. 99% of the evidence we have of 'visitors' is just human testimony, one of the most unreliable sources we know.
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It's possible these guys are telling the truth, it's also possible they had hallucinations or are having delusions. I don't see any reason to believe one over the other. 99% of the evidence we have of 'visitors' is just human testimony, one of the most unreliable sources we know.
actually that is not true
We have a lot of evidence physical evidence if the military would come forward.
Ex. actual UFO crashes where the craft was recovered
Ex. ET's actually recovered alive from the crash
Ex. FFA's radar equipment picking them up speeds recorded over 17000 mph and the only aircraft we have that travels those speeds is the Space Shuttle. Even at those speeds these craft stop on a dime and makes turns
Do the research like I have you will see that there is a sum of over 400 top military officails have come forward with tremendous evidence yet we still don't believe.
The only way we will believe is if the military to come forward and show these Exterrestrial beings.
Monday I will share my research with you and give you a lot of links to open your minds alittle bit more on the topic.
I say theres to much evidence to believe their not real but I can't be 100% sure without seeing with my own 2 eyes. If there not real I really wouldn't care but I guess it's the mystery that makes the topic interresting to me
A start is to watch that 2 hour interview best info I've seen as far as testimony goes Watch It!
Just remember that out of these 400 military witnesses 399 could be lying and 1 telling the truth and the end result is the same. There is something to it no doubt in my mind.
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actually that is not true
We have a lot of evidence physical evidence if the military would come forward.
Well here is the problem, I would bet your information and your research about this physical evidence is all based on testimonial evidence. I'm not saying it's impossible, I just have yet to see any convincing evidence (testimonials are not convincing).
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Bunch of freaks, I saw an alien once.
Then I had to shoot the SOB for trying to take my kitty.
Still got it in the freezer damnit. :old:
My neighbor had a recipe but he's dead now.
Need a new one to mix with some cajun sauce.
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Well here is the problem, I would bet your information and your research about this physical evidence is all based on testimonial evidence. I'm not saying it's impossible, I just have yet to see any convincing evidence (testimonials are not convincing).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3zotvpZLnY&feature=related
this one comes to mind, do you think we posess the technology to have a metalic object that stretches well over 100's of yards in length that hovers and is silent? Heres video evidence but it still can't be proved am I right? It will be a mystery until we each see one with our own eyes
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3zotvpZLnY&feature=related
this one comes to mind, do you think we posess the technology to have a metalic object that stretches well over 100's of yards in length that hovers and is silent? Heres video evidence but it still can't be proved am I right? It will be a mystery until we each see one with our own eyes
My girlfriend read that and said, "Isn't that a blimp?" :rofl
This video proves that there was lights in the sky. Sorry, that's it. There is no more proof that that was an alien spacecraft than if that was a military project, a new species of mutant lightning bug, or even god. There were unexplained lights in the sky, it was by definition a UFO. Where did the alien idea come from?
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If we had SR71's that could fly mach 3.5 40 years ago and we didn't know about them until 1980, imagine what we have now.
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Bunch of freaks, I saw an alien once.
Then I had to shoot the SOB for trying to take my kitty.
Still got it in the freezer damnit. :old:
My neighbor had a recipe but he's dead now.
Need a new one to mix with some cajun sauce.
would that be a new alien.....or a new kitty to mix with that cajun sauce?
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old alien, and no one touches the kitty. :P
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Personally I don't know if alien UFO's are visiting Earth or not, but I think you'd have to be pretty small minded to think that were the only intelligent life forms in the Universe, or even the Milky Way. I mean there are more stars in the Universe then grains of sand on all the beaches of Earth, we can't be the only planet orbiting one of those grains with intelligent life on it.
Also to think that just because we can't travel to other stars no one else could is ridiculous, there could be life forms that are millions of years ahead of us technologically.
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i guess my biggest scepticism on the entire alien visitor thing is that we have more than a few types of early warning systems looking no just within our atmosphere but outside and into space as well. now if we can occasionally spot these ships on local radar why do we never spot them outside of our atmosphere, on their approach or as they exit? why do our satellites that listen in space never hear them enter or exit our atmosphere, why are their fireballs as they enter the atmosphere never seen on the video monitors that are pointed into space. when they have footage of those kinds of events then i will be less sceptical, but until then i will chose to maintain a healthy serving of doubt.
i do not dismiss all sightings as being from the mouth of waco's, i do not imply that your story or your friends story is fake or made up. i believe you saw something that you cant explain or dismiss in what would seem to be a rational manner. i am just very sceptical of those who want their time in the sunshine, those who tell their story with something to gain or those who are obsessed.
Well it could be that we never see them coming in from space, or see a fireball because they use some type of transportation system that could open up a gateway of some kind, like a wormhole, that doesn't require them to ever come through our atmosphere, remember they could literally be millions of years ahead of us. Now like I said in my post before I'm not sure we are being visited, but if we are those could be some reasons why you don't see those things.
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Personally I don't know if alien UFO's are visiting Earth or not, but I think you'd have to be pretty small minded to think that were the only intelligent life forms in the Universe, or even the Milky Way. I mean there are more stars in the Universe then grains of sand on all the beaches of Earth, we can't be the only planet orbiting one of those grains with intelligent life on it.
Also to think that just because we can't travel to other stars no one else could is ridiculous, there could be life forms that are millions of years ahead of us technologically.
I agree with this, I just haven't seen any good evidence to support alien visitors.
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I find it interesting that ever since practically everyone starting carrying cell phone cameras that take both pictures and video, no credible evidence has shown up, and sightings seem to have ceased.
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Also to think that just because we can't travel to other stars no one else could is ridiculous, there could be life forms that are millions of years ahead of us technologically.
Great point that the skeptics seem to skip over. :aok
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Jayhawk I'll have to find it another time but that object wasn't just seen at night, the governor saw it up close and said it was triangle shaped and metalic stretching over 100 yards. Thats huge and a blimp wouldn't set over a city with nothing to do lol. I get your point I'm with you same evidence over and over I guess that's why the military gets away with covering it up. We need to start a cult and get a 1,000,000 people together and the next UFO crash that the military says this is restricted, tell them to kiss our donut were coming in
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Jayhawk I'll have to find it another time but that object wasn't just seen at night, the governor saw it up close and said it was triangle shaped and metalic stretching over 100 yards. Thats huge and a blimp wouldn't set over a city with nothing to do lol. I get your point I'm with you same evidence over and over I guess that's why the military gets away with covering it up. We need to start a cult and get a 1,000,000 people together and the next UFO crash that the military says this is restricted, tell them to kiss our donut were coming in
If your talking about the Phoenix lights incident I saw a thing on a show a couple years ago that explained what it might have been, I thought it was really good evidence of a UFO too until I saw this show, they showed that it was flares dropped by a military aircraft, they took that one famous video of the event and went to the exact spot where it was filmed, then they took video from the same angle but in the daylight, then they transposed the daylight footage with the night footage, and you see that as it looks like each light turns off it's simple the flares falling behind a mountain in the background as they drifted down, and there was a military report of a a/c dropping flares in that area that night. I know there's also eyewitnesses that say they saw the UFO at dusk as it flew over their houses so I don't know how to explain that, but the video they showed with it transposed with the daylight footage was pretty convincing, now I won't say that it absolutely was flares, but like I said it was fairly convincing.
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Why does the universe being so big, increase the odds for more life? Couldn't life just be so complex, that it takes an entire universe to get all the variables juuust right for life?
If we don't even know how big the universe is, or what truly defines "life," how can you make an assumption about the concentration of life across the universe? As in, who is to say if Earth is the only source of life, that the universe isn't overpopulated as is?
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Why does the universe being so big, increase the odds for more life? Couldn't life just be so complex, that it takes an entire universe to get all the variables juuust right for life?
If we don't even know how big the universe is, or what truly defines "life," how can you make an assumption about the concentration of life across the universe? As in, who is to say if Earth is the only source of life, that the universe isn't overpopulated as is?
The odds of life only ever happening on 1 planet in over 13 billion years, across billions of galaxies, which each have billions of stars would just be unbelievable, I mean really think about those numbers, thats a lot of space and material for life to happen in quite often, even if you only got life in 1 spot in each galaxy that would still be billions of places life happened, think about how big the Milky Way is, and where just an average size galaxy, and there are billions of other galaxies out there, like I said in a previous post, there are more stars in the Universe then grains of sand on the beaches of Earth.
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The odds of life only ever happening on 1 planet in over 13 billion years, across billions of galaxies, which each have billions of stars would just be unbelievable, I mean really think about those numbers, thats a lot of space and material for life to happen in quite often, even if you only got life in 1 spot in each galaxy that would still be billions of places life happened, think about how big the Milky Way is, and where just an average size galaxy, and there are billions of other galaxies out there, like I said in a previous post, there are more stars in the Universe then grains of sand on the beaches of Earth.
That it a good argument for the existence of other life, but at the same time it is an argument of how hard it will be to find each other.
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The odds of life only ever happening on 1 planet in over 13 billion years, across billions of galaxies, which each have billions of stars would just be unbelievable, I mean really think about those numbers, thats a lot of space and material for life to happen in quite often, even if you only got life in 1 spot in each galaxy that would still be billions of places life happened, think about how big the Milky Way is, and where just an average size galaxy, and there are billions of other galaxies out there, like I said in a previous post, there are more stars in the Universe then grains of sand on the beaches of Earth.
You are assuming life is easily created (which it may be). What if life is incredibly complex and requires a large multitude of variables to start?
For a rough idea of my point, let's say creation of life on a planet requires 10 variables aligned to spark life, we'll assume the spark ignites and grows (hm). We'll also assume life doesn't get wiped out by an act of god (astroids, gamma rays, etc.)
Even with those odds, I would agree, life probably wouldn't be so rare.
Now increase the variables, move it up to 1000 properly aligned variables. Now start factoring in the universe pilot wounding your young life forms, astroids gamma etc...
The fact life has existed on Earth for this long to produce intelligent life, could be against incredible odds.
Without knowing the size, age, or even amount of dimensions in our universe, and without knowing if life is rare or not, a large universe does not have to increase odds for other intelligent life forms.
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You are assuming life is easily created (which it may be). What if life is incredibly complex and requires a large multitude of variables to start?
For a rough idea of my point, let's say creation of life on a planet requires 10 variables aligned to spark life, we'll assume the spark ignites and grows (hm). We'll also assume life doesn't get wiped out by an act of god (astroids, gamma rays, etc.)
Even with those odds, I would agree, life probably wouldn't be so rare.
astero
Now increase the variables, move it up to 1000 properly aligned variables. Now start factoring in the universe pilot wounding your young life forms, astroids gamma etc... astero
The fact life has existed on Earth for this long to produce intelligent life, could be against incredible odds.
Without knowing the size, age, or even amount of dimensions in our universe, and without knowing if life is rare or not, a large universe does not have to increase odds for other intelligent life forms.
astEroid :D
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That it a good argument for the existence of other life, but at the same time it is an argument of how hard it will be to find each other.
Random events segregate non-randomly :old:
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You are assuming life is easily created (which it may be). What if life is incredibly complex and requires a large multitude of variables to start?
For a rough idea of my point, let's say creation of life on a planet requires 10 variables aligned to spark life, we'll assume the spark ignites and grows (hm). We'll also assume life doesn't get wiped out by an act of god (astroids, gamma rays, etc.)
Even with those odds, I would agree, life probably wouldn't be so rare.
Now increase the variables, move it up to 1000 properly aligned variables. Now start factoring in the universe pilot wounding your young life forms, astroids gamma etc...
The fact life has existed on Earth for this long to produce intelligent life, could be against incredible odds.
Without knowing the size, age, or even amount of dimensions in our universe, and without knowing if life is rare or not, a large universe does not have to increase odds for other intelligent life forms.
Even with ever thing you've factored in there, you could multiply it by 100,000 and life would still be relatively common given just how many stars and planets there are in the Universe, I mean do you really understand the numbers here, each galaxy has on average 200 billion stars, and then you have around 200 billion galaxies, those are some huge numbers there, now I'm not saying intelligent life would be common, but life itself in one form or another would be. There's an equation that tries to define how many planets in just our galaxy would harbor intelligent life, it's called the Drake equation, you should look into it.
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That it a good argument for the existence of other life, but at the same time it is an argument of how hard it will be to find each other.
Oh yeah, I mean unless you had the ability to travel vast distances in a relatively short amount of time it would be almost impossible to find each other, and at the moment you can't travel faster then the speed of light, and the closest star to us is 4 light years away, so just to get to it would take 4 years at that speed, but there are theories about ways around going faster then the speed of light which is around 186,000 miles per sec.
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Oh yeah, I mean unless you had the ability to travel vast distances in a relatively short amount of time it would be almost impossible to find each other, and at the moment you can't travel faster then the speed of light, and the closest star to us is 4 light years away, so just to get to it would take 4 years at that speed, but there are theories about ways around going faster then the speed of light which is around 186,000 miles per sec.
Beliefs are one thing, but no one has yet proven how life started up on Earth. How life begins on lifeless planets is something we don't have facts and figures yet for.
I respect your opinion. You're saying the universe is so vast it must repeat. I don't understand the logic in the repetition. Why do you think life matters to the universe? Do you believe lifeforms are a vital piece of the universe as a whole?
What if our stage of life and evolution is simply a outrageously-long shot-byproduct of amino acids and lightning?
For as many "chances" of our life being repeated because of the VASTNESS of the universe, you can say there is as many "failures" at life because of the vastness. Which would zero each other out, and make us one of a kind ;)
We should determine if life came here and flourished because of the lifeform, or because of Earth, before we try assuming anything though.
Certainly it would be easier to find the source of Earth-life, rather than finding it hundreds of lightyears away. We would then have a rather accurate idea of the chances of similar intelligent beings.
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If your talking about the Phoenix lights incident I saw a thing on a show a couple years ago that explained what it might have been, I thought it was really good evidence of a UFO too until I saw this show, they showed that it was flares dropped by a military aircraft, they took that one famous video of the event and went to the exact spot where it was filmed, then they took video from the same angle but in the daylight, then they transposed the daylight footage with the night footage, and you see that as it looks like each light turns off it's simple the flares falling behind a mountain in the background as they drifted down, and there was a military report of a a/c dropping flares in that area that night. I know there's also eyewitnesses that say they saw the UFO at dusk as it flew over their houses so I don't know how to explain that, but the video they showed with it transposed with the daylight footage was pretty convincing, now I won't say that it absolutely was flares, but like I said it was fairly convincing.
that was the cover up story, have you even seen a flare set stationary for hours on end? they go up and come down nothing even close to this but I'm with you I know what your saying I can't believe people actually believe our military stories - I remember the follow up story to that as well back in '97
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that was the cover up story, have you even seen a flare set stationary for hours on end? they go up and come down nothing even close to this but I'm with you I know what your saying I can't believe people actually believe our military stories - I remember the follow up story to that as well back in '97
Are you ruling out military craft? Why must it be alien life?
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The Drake equation only covers our own Milky Way galaxy, and there is a lot of argument on the variables even with that. Then consider that the Milky Way is like a single grain of sand against all the beaches in the world. We can't even begin to fathom the vastness of the universe.
I've always like this image from the Hubble telescope. The Hubble focused on an empty part of the sky as big as a grain of sand held at arms length for a long exposure. This is what it recorded.
(http://harleyk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/HubbleDeepFieldL.jpg)
It boggles the mind.
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Beliefs are one thing, but no one has yet proven how life started up on Earth. How life begins on lifeless planets is something we don't have facts and figures yet for.
I respect your opinion. You're saying the universe is so vast it must repeat. I don't understand the logic in the repetition. Why do you think life matters to the universe? Do you believe lifeforms are a vital piece of the universe as a whole?
What if our stage of life and evolution is simply a outrageously-long shot-byproduct of amino acids and lightning?
For as many "chances" of our life being repeated because of the VASTNESS of the universe, you can say there is as many "failures" at life because of the vastness. Which would zero each other out, and make us one of a kind ;)
We should determine if life came here and flourished because of the lifeform, or because of Earth, before we try assuming anything though.
Certainly it would be easier to find the source of Earth-life, rather than finding it hundreds of lightyears away. We would then have a rather accurate idea of the chances of similar intelligent beings.
Take a simple numeric problem. Say you set up a program to select a random number between one and a million. The chances of hitting the number say 15023, is one in a million, but increasing the trials to on the magnitude of trillions of trials you are certainly going to hit that number. The more you increase the trials, the greater likelihood that the number will repeat. So certainly the size of the universe plays a roll in the probability that life exists elsewhere.
I know what you are saying also though, that maybe it is so unlikely in the first place that it takes the entire sample set of the universe to create one random variable, earth, to work. I would say this is highly unlikely since there is already evidence that life may have existed on mars and a moon of Jupiter.
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in small addition to what Grizz has has said is additionally supported by the fact that we only look for what we understand life to be.
we are an oxygen based life form, thus where liquid water exists then there is a great chance for life as we know it to exist. but there are other compositions of elements that given a proper environment may produce life far different than we understand it. carbon is an instance of this.
so the variable used for the potential for life is compounded many many times based on the number of solar systems holding potential planets and then compounded yet again many many many more times for all of the potential base elements which contain the possibility of creating its own variation of life.
so although we believe life to be a rare thing within the cosmos, in actuallity it is far more probable to exist in many places and in many forms than it is believed.
my only reservation in this conversation is not if it can or does exist elsewhere, but the truth and validity of these "sightings". too many people have lied so it is to the point where no one wants to hear more "stories" without absolute physical proof.
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Great point that the skeptics seem to skip over. :aok
I'll try again to make this very clear: One can believe in alien life forms, but not see the evidence that they have visited earth. The two don't go necessarily go hand in hand.
Secondly: Let's not confuse life with intelligent life. There could easily be planets even very close to use that have never developed past tiny single celled organisms (or some other structure foreign to us).
EDIT: FLOTSOM makes a good point that parallels my second point. Our definition of life was made by humans for earth, that definition might have to be altered if we visit another planet.
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Beliefs are one thing, but no one has yet proven how life started up on Earth. How life begins on lifeless planets is something we don't have facts and figures yet for.
I respect your opinion. You're saying the universe is so vast it must repeat. I don't understand the logic in the repetition. Why do you think life matters to the universe? Do you believe lifeforms are a vital piece of the universe as a whole?
What if our stage of life and evolution is simply a outrageously-long shot-byproduct of amino acids and lightning?
For as many "chances" of our life being repeated because of the VASTNESS of the universe, you can say there is as many "failures" at life because of the vastness. Which would zero each other out, and make us one of a kind ;)
We should determine if life came here and flourished because of the lifeform, or because of Earth, before we try assuming anything though.
Certainly it would be easier to find the source of Earth-life, rather than finding it hundreds of lightyears away. We would then have a rather accurate idea of the chances of similar intelligent beings.
I'm sure that non intelligent life is far more common in the Universe then intelligent life is. I'm sure that Earth life most likely formed the way you just said, lightening with amino-acid's and it got kick started, and if it happened that way then all you really need for life elsewhere is another planet thats Earth like in the habitable zone of it's star that has liquid water on it, in which case life would be common, life is just a cosmic accident, but it's an accident that I'm sure happens often.
Also yes the vastness of space is what makes it damn near a certainty that life is elsewhere in the Universe, it's that vastness that give the cosmos ample room for experimentation. Like just look at the pic that saggs posted, that was a pic the Hubble took of a region of space that was empty, but just look how many galaxies you can see in it, and thats just an area the size of a pin head held at arms length.
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The Drake equation only covers our own Milky Way galaxy, and there is a lot of argument on the variables even with that. Then consider that the Milky Way is like a single grain of sand against all the beaches in the world. We can't even begin to fathom the vastness of the universe.
I've always like this image from the Hubble telescope. The Hubble focused on an empty part of the sky as big as a grain of sand held at arms length for a long exposure. This is what it recorded.
(http://harleyk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/HubbleDeepFieldL.jpg)
It boggles the mind.
Wow I'm going to have to look the story up on this picture and if I'm seeing correctly each one of them is a different galaxy by the way the swirls stand out. Of course there are billions of other galaxies but to see this picture is astonding knowing how many stars/planets are in each galaxy. Amazing picture
Why you guys are on the topic of life on other planets, scientists have given a certain temperture range that must stay between to have intelligant life or just mainly life in general. They then started looking at other suns in our galaxy to locate other suns such as ours, then strated looking at planets the correct distance away. I don't have all the research on this but I have studied it to know they have found several planets the correct distance away that may havest life such as our own. It's estimated 200 to 400 millions Suns in our Galaxy alone all of which hasn't started nuclear fusion but still so you have to multiply another several billion galaxy's to that number to get the total amount of Sun's in the Universe.
100,000,000,000,000,000 thats a rough estimate that I come up with myself of the amount of Suns that are in the Universe Do you think at least 1 is like our own providing life? I know I do can't prove it but I believe with all my heart that there is no way it couldn't
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This one is gettINg out of hand.
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This one is gettINg out of hand.
What? Did you read it, this thread is fine. Drama Queen Alert!
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What? Did you read it, this thread is fine. Drama Queen Alert!
Danger Will Robinson! Danger! Danger!
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All my points were assuming we meant intelligent life.
Why does the universe being vast increase odds of there being other intelligent lifeforms?
Life and evolution is based on random events.
Without knowing the source of life, we have no way of knowing if it exists outside even our own solar system.
Imagine if life existed on one single asteroid, it crashed into a body near our solar system, and life spread to our little neighborhood.
Why is that scenario any less probable than life existing in random areas of the universe?
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Could be real; Anything in the skies that is unknown could fall under as 'UFO'
As for life on other planets, probably.
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I'll try again to make this very clear: One can believe in alien life forms, but not see the evidence that they have visited earth. The two don't go necessarily go hand in hand.
Secondly: Let's not confuse life with intelligent life. There could easily be planets even very close to use that have never developed past tiny single celled organisms (or some other structure foreign to us).
Thanks, but next time I will prefer you write it in Crayon for me.
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I know what I saw, and there was no explanation for it.
<S> Melvin
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Thanks, but next time I will prefer you write it in Crayon for me.
lol no reason to take it personal, I just don't see it as black and white as some people.
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I know what I saw, and there was no explanation for it.
<S> Melvin
I think I've seen that but I've been wanting to watch it again and I don't get the military1 channel which seems to carry it right now.
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we are an oxygen based life form
(http://asymptotia.com/wp-images/2007/05/carbon400.jpg)
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Any one of the believers care to explain to me why they visit in so many different kinds of ships? Haven't they heard of production lines? Or are we talking about several different types of aliens here? :lol
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Any one of the believers care to explain to me why they visit in so many different kinds of ships? Haven't they heard of production lines? Or are we talking about several different types of aliens here? :lol
just from Military officials that have come forward said there are 57 known species of Aliens but who knows :)
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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s35/68zoom/tin-foil-hat.jpg)
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Any one of the believers care to explain to me why they visit in so many different kinds of ships? Haven't they heard of production lines? Or are we talking about several different types of aliens here? :lol
well there are the reptilians who are bent on universal domination, then the greens and nobody seems to have a clue what they're up to, then the big heads who seem to be in dominion over the greens, and... :)
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Me and this dude was doing a roofing job and seen one . Could of hit it with a rock No Joke ...
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There are so many clues of "most likely" visitations of Earth by extraterrestials going back thousands of years indicate that this planet has been a place of great interest for intelligent life elsewhere.
Nazca Lines, Native American art on cave and canyon walls, and the stories passed down generation-to-generation in just about every civilization on Earth regarding not only sightings but ET contact are compelling. The Zuni tribe (NE Arizona) believe their ancestors were brought to Earth by alien spacecrafts and were told to "colonize" Earth. The costumes they wear for their tribal dances on "holy" days have "helmet" looking head dresses that resemble colorful astronaut helmets, sometimes with tubes (resembling oxygen hoses) that go from the helmet and into the cloth covering the body. The Zuni dancers outfits indeed "look" like some sort of astronaut outfit. The same outfit can be seen on cave and wall art that scientists believe to be 4,500+ years old. Donagan and "Chariots of The Gods" take a story from the Old Testament that hints that Elisha wittnessed a UFO and then was taken up inside of one.
Going to mufon.com, it's relatively easy to look at some of the most recent sightings and figure out that what was seen was explainable and not a UFO. A couple are clearly meteorites. A couple are easily either LEO's (Low Earth Orbit) satellites, and others can either be the Hubble Space Telescope or the international space station. Others are not so easy to dismiss.
A week ago a few ex-Air Force officers came out and clearly stated that US nuclear missile silo sites in the Dakotas have been visited regularly by differently shaped UFOs...the missles were "disabled" and then mysteriously re-enabled after the UFOs left. The USAF thought is seriously enough that they scrambled jet interceptors to the scene(s) on multiple occasions and viewed the UFOs as a possible threat to national security (and hense, the demanded secrecy).
There is still so much about our own planet we just really don't know. Ball lightning, for one, has only been recently filmed in the UK. There have been ocean species thought extinct for millions of years show up in fishing nets. For all we think we know about dry land we still don't know jack about whats at the very depths of our own oceans. Think about it, if your UFO could withstand the vacuum of space and the uber-depths of the oceans wouldn't the ocean be a great place to hide?
Some people wouldn't believe that UFO's exist even if one hovered over their house, yanked them up in a light beam and then probed them.
I'd love to see one. (They can probe somebody else, though).
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And a species that was able to colonize earth would need helmets and oxygen masks for what reason? Or did they just drop some of them off to see if they survive? lol
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"A week ago a few ex-Air Force officers came out and clearly stated that US nuclear missile silo sites in the Dakotas have been visited regularly by differently shaped UFOs...the missles were "disabled" and then mysteriously re-enabled after the UFOs left. The USAF thought is seriously enough that they scrambled jet interceptors to the scene(s) on multiple occasions and viewed the UFOs as a possible threat to national security (and hense, the demanded secrecy)."
this is the reason i cry foul and liars the bunch!!! the instant these people stepped in front of a camera and divulged any information labeled secret by the government they have just guaranteed that not only are they going to prison for life, but being military the are going by way of a court martial which the press has no right to attend. furthermore the film and all products of the interview (I.E. notes) shall be seized by the government immediately and NO American news organization would risk publishing even one word of it for fear of legal reprisals. finally the people who compelled and aided these "officers" to divulge this secret information would be sharing a federal cell with said "officers" for conspiracy.
now if you have ever read any law regarding treason, disclosure of national secrets or espionage then you are aware that the government will roll in seize everything and not be required to disclose any information. they are also entitled to order any news agency to stop any and all disclosures of any information regarding the matter. the news agency would then be given an exclusive on the arrest of 2 very stupid air force officers for breach of national security regulations.
as i stated earlier in this thread, my dad has had to hold some really insane security clearances, so these things he definitely knows and understands. the only secrets held more closely than those regarding our nuclear arsenal is those regarding our biological weapons. even under compulsion by the freedom of information act none of these matters may or will be disclosed to the public, ever.
if this story had anything more than a spec of truth you would never be hearing about it. big brother does not take kindly to lil troopers talking without permission.
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Who cares, big brother is one government of ONE nation on the planet, and when top ranking officers come out and tell you the truth* for humanity,you had better listen. This is not singled out by america, people in high ranking positions have been coming out all over the world, more and more. Maby them coming out over the years is from a lack of "faith" in the people you say have everything "under control".
Every government and military will tell the people they are safe,and everything is under control, all while the radars send signals of contacts, navy's have contacts for weeks under water, and people see things in the sky that are not planes, or anything else. It is not happening once or twice, but over and over and over for "in some cases" hundreds of years.
But like some say, others wont believe it till the ufo fly's over your head and suck's you up inside. :rock
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A reputable member of our squadron saw a black triangle fly overhead at low altitude and low speed at dusk a few years back.
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A reputable member of our squadron saw a black triangle fly overhead at low altitude and low speed at dusk a few years back.
HA another lie!!!!!!!!! there is no such thing as a reputable member of the Muppets!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but i would believe they all see things.....and hear voices too!
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And a species that was able to colonize earth would need helmets and oxygen masks for what reason? Or did they just drop some of them off to see if they survive? lol
Your not going to like this answer but heres one that has been around for 1000s of years
Annunaski
Is an ancient alien civilization that has a 3600 year orbit around our Sun on their planet a brown dwarf star. The ancient story is that these alien species needed to harvest gold to put in their atmosphere as a shield to the Suns rays at the closest point of their 3600 year orbit. Instead of doing the work themselves they genetically engineered the human race as a slave race to themselves to harvest gold. Some say that is way we have genetic defects like only being able to use 10% of our brain power.
There are hidden messages all throughout our history showing these tales of an acient astronaunts one for example is the U.S. $1 bill look on the back at the pyramid and the eye in a triangle floating above the pyramid itself showing that this ancient alien species helped us to built and begin as a species.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1354/1018963718_85c5050c8d.jpg)
Do some research on this, I'm one that hopes were not a slave race but it's an interresting story none the less.
Put this story up to say that according to this story they created us to look similiar to themselves and if so they could possibly breathe oxygen themselves. There is a lot more to this story look in it
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Sure, why not.
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Your not going to like this answer but heres one that has been around for 1000s of years
Annunaski
Is an ancient alien civilization that has a 3600 year orbit around our Sun on their planet a brown dwarf star. The ancient story is that these alien species needed to harvest gold to put in their atmosphere as a shield to the Suns rays at the closest point of their 3600 year orbit. Instead of doing the work themselves they genetically engineered the human race as a slave race to themselves to harvest gold. Some say that is way we have genetic defects like only being able to use 10% of our brain power.
There are hidden messages all throughout our history showing these tales of an acient astronaunts one for example is the U.S. $1 bill look on the back at the pyramid and the eye in a triangle floating above the pyramid itself showing that this ancient alien species helped us to built and begin as a species.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1354/1018963718_85c5050c8d.jpg)
Do some research on this, I'm one that hopes were not a slave race but it's an interresting story none the less.
Put this story up to say that according to this story they created us to look similiar to themselves and if so they could possibly breathe oxygen themselves. There is a lot more to this story look in it
This sounds like the plotline for National Treasure 7 3D IMAX.
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yep
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This sounds like the plotline for National Treasure 7 3D IMAX.
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/Jayhawk1/nt7.jpg)
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:lol
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Gold, eh? Probably time to change the tinfoil.
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If this is what he was talking about, it is kinda interesting. Take it with a grain of salt, just like anything else.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1299212/be_prepared_for_2012_the_annunaki_taught_the_summerians/
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If this is what he was talking about, it is kinda interesting. Take it with a grain of salt, just like anything else.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1299212/be_prepared_for_2012_the_annunaki_taught_the_summerians/
also along with this when these beings had sex with the human race the babies were giants according to the story and there is physical evidence and here it is, these bi-terrestial humans were 30 to 60 feet tall I think they've even found one over 100 feet tall- getting interresting huh I've studied this topic for a long time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-8bVEIVUh8&feature=related
Also biblical stories like Noah's ark and the fallen angels along with many others are supposively about multiple accient other worldly God's/Et's deplicted in Summerian text heres a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngJ-H7fjsAk
And the more and more you dig into the topic the more scarely it gets about our future and our Children if the God's come back in 2012 like predicted by the Mayan's as their Calendar ends and the 5th cycle of the Earth.
Heres the story of the Mayan Calendar- also the Mayan's before telescopes knew the colors of our distant planets and had an other worldly calculation of galaxy events and locations how? how? so long ago without telescopes and technology
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMkb8RV9JHU
How long does the Bible say it took God to create the Earth? 7 Days wasn't it? The Mayan's first cycle is 7 days
Keep this in mind when you watch the above
52weeks in a year/4 weeks in a month is 13 months why do we only have 12 with a few days extra is some? Were they hiding something when they made the current calendar Watch the video
Also Nibiru or planet x where the Annunaki come from, affects our planet greatly when it passes by and maybe this is why the governments hide the ufo story from us. If we knew they existed our first question would be where do they come from. Also from the research that I've done that they left 300 ships to guard us when the planet last passed by and maybe these ships/ufo's are what we are currently seeing. Heres a story of how there planet affects ours in 2012 and 2013, also notice the increased earthquakes and tsunamis we are currently having. Is there a connection?
tsunamis
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I try really hard to not look down on other people's beliefs, but the idea of giant humans is, IMO, ridiculous. After about 5 minutes of searching, I found this article;http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071214-giant-skeleton.html (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071214-giant-skeleton.html) ;which included this picture:
(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/photogalleries/giantskeleton-pictures/images/primary/4_461.jpg)
Which was in that YouTube link. However the YouTube video conveniently cuts out the Worth1000.com (ironically the same site I used that old Nicolas Cage picture) which is a website for those creative artists who doctor pictures.
Come on.
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also along with this when these beings had sex with the human race the babies were giants according to the story and there is physical evidence and here it is, these bi-terrestial humans were 30 to 60 feet tall I think they've even found one over 100 feet tall- getting interresting huh I've studied this topic for a long time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-8bVEIVUh8&feature=related
Annunaski
Is an ancient alien civilization that has a 3600 year orbit around our Sun on their planet a brown dwarf star. The ancient story is that these alien species needed to harvest gold to put in their atmosphere as a shield to the Suns rays at the closest point of their 3600 year orbit. Instead of doing the work themselves they genetically engineered the human race as a slave race to themselves to harvest gold. Some say that is way we have genetic defects like only being able to use 10% of our brain power.
Seriously? Please tell me that you are just yanking some chain here....
10% of our brains....LMAO
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp (http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp)
Also, interesting take on the Eye of Providence, on the dollar bill. :rofl :aok
We are seriously heading for "Idiocracy" if people actually buy into this crap. I'm sorry if you wasted more than three minutes of your time "studying" this.
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(http://wzus1.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30752&l=dis&o=15527&sv=0a5c403b&ip=6389f1dd&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cerritos.edu%2Fmduva%2FMackey2%2520copy.jpg)
mmmmkay
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Seriously? Please tell me that you are just yanking some chain here....
10% of our brains....LMAO
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp (http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp)
For how long that article was, there wasn't much actual fact in it.
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Seriously? Please tell me that you are just yanking some chain here....
10% of our brains....LMAO
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp (http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp)
Also, interesting take on the Eye of Providence, on the dollar bill. :rofl :aok
We are seriously heading for "Idiocracy" if people actually buy into this crap. I'm sorry if you wasted more than three minutes of your time "studying" this.
Eye of Providence the surrounding light of glory within a triangle? Why would God use a triangle above a pyramid ? trinity- Father,Son, and Holy Spirit - When was this story written? or even better when was the bible written? These stories of Annunaki date back to 5000 bc during the Summerian period
On the seal, the Eye is surrounded by the words Annuit Cœptis, meaning "He approves (or has approved) [our] undertakings", and Novus Ordo Seclorum, meaning "New Order of the Ages". The Eye is positioned above an unfinished pyramid with thirteen steps, representing the original thirteen states and the future growth of the country. The lowest level of the pyramid shows the year 1776 in Roman numerals. The combined implication is that the Eye, or God, favors the prosperity of the United States
Notice how the 13 states also tranfers to the mayan calendar and the 13 levels/cycles which is shaped like the pyramid. It also refers back to my earlier statment of 13 months instead of 12, why throughout our history has everyone said 13 is an unlucky number it is the end of the Mayan Calendar and the return of the Annunaki possibly? These are stories just like the bible they are stories to us but since you knew about the Eye of Providence I'd say your a believer in God the Almighty eh? Walking in Faith and not by Fact ?
You can believe whatever way you want to believe but how do we really know what story is true. In the bible it says we walk by faith not by sight so we have to believe without seeing.
We are seriously heading for "Idiocracy" if people actually buy into this crap. I'm sorry if you wasted more than three minutes of your time "studying" this.
I've spent a whole lot more then 3 minutes researching this topic and thanks for the idiocracy remark. You may want to do some research we only use around 10% of our brain's potential lol because all you showed me was one little article you looked up and believed as truth. I can give you references if you can't find any.
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I try really hard to not look down on other people's beliefs, but the idea of giant humans is, IMO, ridiculous. After about 5 minutes of searching, I found this article;http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071214-giant-skeleton.html (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071214-giant-skeleton.html) ;which included this picture:
(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/photogalleries/giantskeleton-pictures/images/primary/4_461.jpg)
Which was in that YouTube link. However the YouTube video conveniently cuts out the Worth1000.com (ironically the same site I used that old Nicolas Cage picture) which is a website for those creative artists who doctor pictures.
Come on.
If we didn't know about dinosaur fossils would we believe they exsisted. It's hard to believe the world we live in today that any of these dinosaurs ever walked the earth but for some reason the earth's living things down sized a lot. Wonder why? I don't know but thanks for the link proves that picture and the others wrong but doesn't say giants never exsisted. It might be ridiculous but could be true but I'd think fossil remains would have been found by now if it were
I've also looked at Megalodons an extinct shark about 50-65 feet long to me that is ridiculous
http://www.fossils-facts-and-finds.com/megalodon.html
larger then a 18wheeler and weighing more at about 48 tons
(http://www.scubadivingsarasota.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/168-565c.jpg)
So nothing is really ridiculous if proven fact, am I right?
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This is one very long winded and pointless discussion. For some very good reasons.
1. - The planet Earth shows no signs of being anything else other than a planet possesing the capability of supporting life. It still functions like a regular planet with a core, crust and gravitational pull orbiting around a concentrated ball of energy.
2. - We are only capable of point one because our gravitational state and time scale is at exactly the right balance or in short, we were in the right place at the right time.
3. - In a galaxy there are MILLIONS of almost identical balls of energy each of them more than likely possessing planets in their orbit. And that is just one galaxy, we know of at least 7 in our current visual range possibly more beyond them. And in each of them there are millions of stars. so say we call it 500 million stars in each. thats 3500 MILLION stars. And most of them contain planets or planetoids in their orbit. If we assume we are the only life in the universe, its a 1 in an (lets face it) INFINITE chance that we are alone. But if you open your mind, give or take a few figures. Scientific research states that in theory, in all KNOWN galaxies there has to be at least 2 million planets capable of supporting life.
( Before some of you hit me with technicalities, I want to make this CLEAR, this is only a theoretical and scientific guess at the subject matter, I did not search the exact number of stars and so on, but the fact remains that in logical theory this stands up )
That is one hell of a big figure, to assume we are the only conscious creatures in this universe is not only stupid, but downright arrogant. But weather we actually meet these beings or not, is one entirely different question, one which can only be answered in time.
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"big brother does not take kindly to lil troopers talking without permission."
If the military would charge these people AFTER they have told about their experiences that would pretty much confirm that they have been telling the truth, or at least something of importance. I think that what happens to these people is that their stories are pretty much ignored and their career is also pretty much over as they are labeled as "delusional" or with some suitable medical term. So as they come out and tell the truth they enter a sort of void where they are unable to confirm what they have told and thus they have no future in their profession and even the majority of civilian audience think they have a loose screw. Usually the only people who are genuinely interested are a bunch of weirdos who would pretty much believe anything anybody would say to fill their said "hunger for knowledge" (read: the lack of meaning in their own life). That also means that regardless of whether the information is correct it naturally enters a factual void where it remains until official confirmation can be presented, and the only officials that could do it have no interest to do such thing because it is nonsense -and even if it wasn't they can still control its validity in public eyes.
So even if something those people would tell us would be true, this system will quite effectively keep many many of people who might have something very interesting stories to tell to keep those stories to themselves.
So the system works just fine.
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This is one very long winded and pointless discussion. For some very good reasons.
1. - The planet Earth shows no signs of being anything else other than a planet possesing the capability of supporting life. It still functions like a regular planet with a core, crust and gravitational pull orbiting around a concentrated ball of energy.
2. - We are only capable of point one because our gravitational state and time scale is at exactly the right balance or in short, we were in the right place at the right time.
3. - In a galaxy there are MILLIONS of almost identical balls of energy each of them more than likely possessing planets in their orbit. And that is just one galaxy, we know of at least 7 in our current visual range possibly more beyond them. And in each of them there are millions of stars. so say we call it 500 million stars in each. thats 3500 MILLION stars. And most of them contain planets or planetoids in their orbit. If we assume we are the only life in the universe, its a 1 in an (lets face it) INFINITE chance that we are alone. But if you open your mind, give or take a few figures. Scientific research states that in theory, in all KNOWN galaxies there has to be at least 2 million planets capable of supporting life.
( Before some of you hit me with technicalities, I want to make this CLEAR, this is only a theoretical and scientific guess at the subject matter, I did not search the exact number of stars and so on, but the fact remains that in logical theory this stands up )
That is one hell of a big figure, to assume we are the only conscious creatures in this universe is not only stupid, but downright arrogant. But weather we actually meet these beings or not, is one entirely different question, one which can only be answered in time.
I agree with ya
I know you just threw some numbers out there but just 7 galaxies is not even close, this picutre alone each different light you see is it's own galaxy this is from the hubble telescope amazing picture can't look at it enough :) estimated 10,000 galaxies just in this picutre
Astronomers think that there are hundreds of billions galaxies in the universe, however the exact number is not known. But astronomers should know how many galaxies we’ve actually seen and discovered, right? Well, not necessarily. “We don’t know,” says Ed Churchwell, professor of astronomy at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. “We know it’s a very large number.” In just one image for example, the Hubble Ultra Deep Field, above, there are about 10,000 galaxies visible
(http://c2431622.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Hubble-Deep-field.jpg)
information link http://www.universetoday.com/36610/how-many-galaxies-have-we-discovered/
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creation is a cruel joke and life is the punchline.
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Lol thanks TN, I do know that there are tonnes, but there are 7 ones CLOSE to us, I know I should have elaborated a bit. But I knew technicalities would arrive. Thanks for the cool info!
And yes Batfink, after the past 2 weeks, that statement rings so loud and true it seems impossible. And yet fact.
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"big brother does not take kindly to lil troopers talking without permission."
If the military would charge these people AFTER they have told about their experiences that would pretty much confirm that they have been telling the truth, or at least something of importance. I think that what happens to these people is that their stories are pretty much ignored and their career is also pretty much over as they are labeled as "delusional" or with some suitable medical term. So as they come out and tell the truth they enter a sort of void where they are unable to confirm what they have told and thus they have no future in their profession and even the majority of civilian audience think they have a loose screw. Usually the only people who are genuinely interested are a bunch of weirdos who would pretty much believe anything anybody would say to fill their said "hunger for knowledge" (read: the lack of meaning in their own life). That also means that regardless of whether the information is correct it naturally enters a factual void where it remains until official confirmation can be presented, and the only officials that could do it have no interest to do such thing because it is nonsense -and even if it wasn't they can still control its validity in public eyes.
So even if something those people would tell us would be true, this system will quite effectively keep many many of people who might have something very interesting stories to tell to keep those stories to themselves.
So the system works just fine.
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In most cases you would be absolutely correct. any random and independent sightings would in general be allowed to die the death of "he is just a nut".
but the difference in this story is that military personnel came forward and said that our nuclear weapons were subject to having an unknown person or persons taking control of them. do you have any idea how bad a thought that is to the mind of those that grew up in the age of fear of nuclear war? if they can shut off our missiles and control our computers at will then they can launch those same missiles at us or any other target of their choosing at any time they choose.
further more the implication is that there is a means to control those computers by an outside source, thus the thought that any terrorist group or hostile government could control these weapons becomes a valid and substantial fear. how long would it take for the screaming of the public at large to demand that our military machine be torn down? think on that concept, our strongest weapons are constantly under protest by a radical few to begin with, what happens when millions of additional voices get added to those cries? don't fool yourself into thinking that this couldn't happen, hell look at our new "health care" bill as a screaming example of what mass hysteria on any subject can do. (that is not an implication of the correctness or validity of the bill, its mentioning is only to show that if the voices scream loud enough then anything can be made to happen)
the point being that if our own weapons, our greatest defense, could quickly become our very undoing then the public would demand the destruction of them. this is why there is such an out cry against biological weapons, the risk that if the genie ever got out of the bottle we may not be able to control it, and there may be no putting it back in. if the fear that we could not control our own nuclear weapons was based on some semblance of fact, (i.e. a supportable story promoted by military personnel) or even perceived fact, the out cry to dismantle them would be too loud to ignore. think of the implication of America in the modern world with its nuclear deterant program. this is the biggest reason for the government not only to crush this story if it had any basis in truth, but to put the story tellers and any who were a part of it into a black hole so deep even the aliens couldn't ever find them again.
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If we didn't know about dinosaur fossils would we believe they exsisted. It's hard to believe the world we live in today that any of these dinosaurs ever walked the earth but for some reason the earth's living things down sized a lot. Wonder why? I don't know but thanks for the link proves that picture and the others wrong but doesn't say giants never exsisted. It might be ridiculous but could be true but I'd think fossil remains would have been found by now if it were
I've also looked at Megalodons an extinct shark about 50-65 feet long to me that is ridiculous
http://www.fossils-facts-and-finds.com/megalodon.html
larger then a 18wheeler and weighing more at about 48 tons
(http://www.scubadivingsarasota.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/168-565c.jpg)
So nothing is really ridiculous if proven fact, am I right?
We believe in dinosaurs BECAUSE the fossils exist. There is evidence it exists, there is evidence a 50 foot shark existed, there is not evidence giant humans existed. I believe one theory on the size of the dinosaurs links to the level of Oxygen in the air, a higher rate of oxygen could foster bigger growth.
It's not research when you only read things that back up your opinion and discredit anything that doesn't. To believe a megalodon didn't exist even when we have physical evidence but to believe giant humans did with no evidence is ridiculous.
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All the "smart people," circa 1400 AD
"To believe that the world is not flat and the universe does not revolve around earth is ludicrous. It is well documented fact that only complete nothingness lies beyond what we know to be the 'edge' of the earth, and there are no lands and no peoples beyond the sea. We know this to be fact because no one has ever provided evidence AT ALL to the contrary. We have seen no evidence to indicate that any such lands exist, and surely no other beings exist, because we know they have not visited us and left evidence of their presence. Anyone who thinks that the earth is 'round' and that there is anything but death beyond the edge of our flat earth is at best a fool and at worst insane."
[sarcasm]Surely intelligent life beyond our imagination cannot exist and undoubtably it has never visited earth. [/sarcasm]
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TnDep, I'm still waiting for some evidence, can you cite some of this research? Give me a scholarly article, give me a link to a book I can go to the library and read. NOT YouTube links. If all this has really been around for so long, surely there has to be information before the internet and before YouTube.
What do you got?
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TnDep, I'm still waiting for some evidence, can you cite some of this research? Give me a scholarly article, give me a link to a book I can go to the library and read. NOT YouTube links. If all this has really been around for so long, surely there has to be information before the internet and before YouTube.
What do you got?
It'll take me about a week to compile all the things that I've studied but I'd be glad to do it. I'll have you a post in about a week.
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The people that don't believe are the ones that have never seen one . I would have never believed it if I had not seen it .The one we seen look like a silver football and about as long as a football field . When it came over us I did not see it at first and dude goes WTF is that and I looked up and there it was , no window's , no sound and not 200 feet above us . It was not going that fast and just held it's heading . Almost like a blimp doing say 500 mph . Now I don't know if it was from another world or ours but I know what we seen .
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Your not going to like this answer but heres one that has been around for 1000s of years
Annunaski
Is an ancient alien civilization that has a 3600 year orbit around our Sun on their planet a brown dwarf star. The ancient story is that these alien species needed to harvest gold to put in their atmosphere as a shield to the Suns rays at the closest point of their 3600 year orbit. Instead of doing the work themselves they genetically engineered the human race as a slave race to themselves to harvest gold. Some say that is way we have genetic defects like only being able to use 10% of our brain power.
There are hidden messages all throughout our history showing these tales of an acient astronaunts one for example is the U.S. $1 bill look on the back at the pyramid and the eye in a triangle floating above the pyramid itself showing that this ancient alien species helped us to built and begin as a species.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1354/1018963718_85c5050c8d.jpg)
Do some research on this, I'm one that hopes were not a slave race but it's an interresting story none the less.
Put this story up to say that according to this story they created us to look similiar to themselves and if so they could possibly breathe oxygen themselves. There is a lot more to this story look in it
This better be the best troll ever lol. I begin to get it now. Aliens engineered us because they were too lazy to collect the gold them selves. Instead they decided to wait a few thousand years for us to develop and start collecting the gold (no evidence of that anywhere right?). Then, once the took the gold (did they?) they started having sex with us and producing 30ft tall babies ( again no evidence ) and there fore we only use 10% of our brains (how did you measure that? lol)
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The people that don't believe are the ones that have never seen one . I would have never believed it if I had not seen it .The one we seen look like a silver football and about as long as a football field . When it came over us I did not see it at first and dude goes WTF is that and I looked up and there it was , no window's , no sound and not 200 feet above us . It was not going that fast and just held it's heading . Almost like a blimp doing say 500 mph . Now I don't know if it was from another world or ours but I know what we seen .
"The people that don't believe are the ones that have never seen one "
Well, why do you believe then? You don;t know what you saw or where it is from
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Yeah , your right , I guess :noid Seem's like I been here before , hmm .
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This better be the best troll ever lol. I begin to get it now. Aliens engineered us because they were too lazy to collect the gold them selves. Instead they decided to wait a few thousand years for us to develop and start collecting the gold (no evidence of that anywhere right?). Then, once the took the gold (did they?) they started having sex with us and producing 30ft tall babies ( again no evidence ) and there fore we only use 10% of our brains (how did you measure that? lol)
They actually take a cat scan of your brain while working it similar to muscles, when we workout more blood is pumped to our muscle causing heat build-up. Same when it comes to our brain the red is the most active parts and it's proven that our potential is a whole lot more then we currently possess, I'll go into further detail later on in the week on this topic as well
(http://www.sirweb.org/images/patients/CT_scan_of_brain.gif)
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I don't understand this attempt to quantify the human brain by "potential". We do measure brain activity with an EEG machine for a variety of reasons and different parts of the brain are activated for different tasks. It's true the brain can benefit from "exercise," by stimulating neural paths, you can create stronger links between parts of the brain. If you don't use those parts, those neural connections can degenerate.
CT scans are used for brain structure, not so much activity. So what I see with that picture you've got there is major deterioration in the right hemisphere, probably someone who suffered a stroke. I don't think it has anything to do with brain activity or potential.
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All the "smart people," circa 1400 AD
"To believe that the world is not flat and the universe does not revolve around earth is ludicrous. It is well documented fact that only complete nothingness lies beyond what we know to be the 'edge' of the earth, and there are no lands and no peoples beyond the sea. We know this to be fact because no one has ever provided evidence AT ALL to the contrary. We have seen no evidence to indicate that any such lands exist, and surely no other beings exist, because we know they have not visited us and left evidence of their presence. Anyone who thinks that the earth is 'round' and that there is anything but death beyond the edge of our flat earth is at best a fool and at worst insane."
[sarcasm]Surely intelligent life beyond our imagination cannot exist and undoubtably it has never visited earth. [/sarcasm]
All the "smart people' were telling everyone that the world was round in 1400. And, being killed as heretics for it, by the church, FYI.
Eratosthenes proved the world was round in the 6th century B.C.E. It took roughly 2000 years for "dumb" people to believe it.
As for the heliocentric model, it's been around since 390 B.C.E. (Philolaus, Greece)
Copernicus (generally given credit for the idea) published his complete model, purposely, on the year of his death in 1543, a full 13 years after he had finished it, and 36 years after he started it, simply because he didn't want to be labeled as a heretic and meet the same fate as others. He actually prefaced his publication with a dedication to Pope Paul III.
So, the SMART PEOPLE knew these things a very long time before the DUMB PEOPLE.
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They actually take a cat scan of your brain while working it similar to muscles, when we workout more blood is pumped to our muscle causing heat build-up. Same when it comes to our brain the red is the most active parts and it's proven that our potential is a whole lot more then we currently possess, I'll go into further detail later on in the week on this topic as well
(http://www.sirweb.org/images/patients/CT_scan_of_brain.gif)
That's a very misleading tidbit. You may use 10% of your brain at one instant in time, on average, but you most certainly use your entire brain during the course of even an hour.
For instance, When you're driving your car, you generally aren't accessing the part of your brain that deals in complex mathematics. And when you are using complex mathematics, your brain isn't utilizing the areas that control your balance and coordination needed for playing a game of basketball.
It's kind of like saying you don't use the entire computer to type a post like yours. If you did, that's all your computer could do. Certainly, your computer uses more of its' potential when running the game ( a resource intensive application) as opposed to typing this post, a mundane application.
If we used all of our brains to perform any task, then all we could possibly do, would be up to and including those tasks. We could never do anything more, without a spontaneous burst of evolution. You most certainly use all of your brain (hopefully) over the course of 24 hours.
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That's a very misleading tidbit. You may use 10% of your brain at one instant in time, on average, but you most certainly use your entire brain during the course of even an hour.
For instance, When you're driving your car, you generally aren't accessing the part of your brain that deals in complex mathematics. And when you are using complex mathematics, your brain isn't utilizing the areas that control your balance and coordination needed for playing a game of basketball.
It's kind of like saying you don't use the entire computer to type a post like yours. If you did, that's all your computer could do. Certainly, your computer uses more of its' potential when running the game ( a resource intensive application) as opposed to typing this post, a mundane application.
If we used all of our brains to perform any task, then all we could possibly do, would be up to and including those tasks. We could never do anything more, without a spontaneous burst of evolution. You most certainly use all of your brain (hopefully) over the course of 24 hours.
That's a good analogy. When you're playing aces high, you don't need to remember your debit card PIN, so why would that memory neuron assembly be activated?
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Hopefully when I post again I can give this topic justice it deserves especially about the brain activity and it's possiblilites are endless. When I do post it will be about 5+ topics that has been given interest in this forum, I've studied these topics for over 15 years as they intrigue myself. My beliefs are different from my posts and the 2 don't go hand and hand so let me make sure thats understood.
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I agree with ya
I know you just threw some numbers out there but just 7 galaxies is not even close, this picutre alone each different light you see is it's own galaxy this is from the hubble telescope amazing picture can't look at it enough :) estimated 10,000 galaxies just in this picutre
Astronomers think that there are hundreds of billions galaxies in the universe, however the exact number is not known. But astronomers should know how many galaxies we’ve actually seen and discovered, right? Well, not necessarily. “We don’t know,” says Ed Churchwell, professor of astronomy at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. “We know it’s a very large number.” In just one image for example, the Hubble Ultra Deep Field, above, there are about 10,000 galaxies visible
(http://c2431622.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Hubble-Deep-field.jpg)
information link http://www.universetoday.com/36610/how-many-galaxies-have-we-discovered/
Check out the current best 3D estimation of the large scale structure of the universe.
Warning:This video tends to be astounding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFlzyxSQhTc&feature=related
Regards,
Sun
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Check out the current best 3D estimation of the large scale structure of the universe.
Warning:This video tends to be astounding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFlzyxSQhTc&feature=related
Regards,
Sun
:O
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Check out the current best 3D estimation of the large scale structure of the universe.
Warning:This video tends to be astounding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFlzyxSQhTc&feature=related
Regards,
Sun
Wow, very cool video there. :O
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not aliens in dem ufo's, its nazis from the moon. yes thats right the nazis landed on the moon an made moon bases up there where they have thrived in making more crazy toejam. so when they start ww3 we wont just be fighting in germany, we will be fighting in space for the moon!
and yes, im 100% super cereal about this
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This all makes plenty of cents to me.
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All the "smart people' were telling everyone that the world was round in 1400. And, being killed as heretics for it, by the church, FYI.
Eratosthenes proved the world was round in the 6th century B.C.E. It took roughly 2000 years for "dumb" people to believe it.
As for the heliocentric model, it's been around since 390 B.C.E. (to Pope Paul III.
Hmmmm.... The old testament has several quotes in it on the earth being a sphere. The oldest quote is the book of job. They predate any of the quotes above.
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Hopefully when I post again I can give this topic justice it deserves especially about the brain activity and it's possiblilites are endless. When I do post it will be about 5+ topics that has been given interest in this forum, I've studied these topics for over 15 years as they intrigue myself. My beliefs are different from my posts and the 2 don't go hand and hand so let me make sure thats understood.
Haha, this si going to go down in the history of the BBS. Good one T :aok
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All the "smart people' were telling everyone that the world was round in 1400. And, being killed as heretics for it, by the church, FYI.
Eratosthenes proved the world was round in the 6th century B.C.E. It took roughly 2000 years for "dumb" people to believe it.
As for the heliocentric model, it's been around since 390 B.C.E. (to Pope Paul III.
Hmmmm.... The old testament has several quotes in it on the earth being a sphere. The oldest quote is the book of job. They predate any of the quotes above.
There is quite a large difference from a "quote" and a scientific "proof".
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http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/new-sighting-of-ufo-over-china-22306325
Looks like China is having its own UFO flap.
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http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/new-sighting-of-ufo-over-china-22306325
thought this was relevant
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http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/new-sighting-of-ufo-over-china-22306325
thought this was relevant
Another Military operation over a public airport, who believes that? But like all evidence what can we prove? Nothing until we actually see the beings flying these crafts and the Military scarfs them up quick.
Thanks for sharing
What a light on that thing huh bright
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Don't forget the one from last night. I think it was over Japan?
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/photofreakluva/thUFOhellokitty-1.png)
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"The people that don't believe are the ones that have never seen one "
Well, why do you believe then? You don;t know what you saw or where it is from
But he still saw a UFO. There is no question whether they exist, it's the what. A lot of people can't have a discussion about it without a kneejerk "oh look Billy Bob saw little green men" reaction. I get the skepticism, and I think that's the best approach to the subject. But they do exist and I would like to know wtf they are.
And it was in China again, maybe Mongolia?
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But he still saw a UFO. There is no question whether they exist, it's the what. A lot of people can't have a discussion about it without a kneejerk "oh look Billy Bob saw little green men" reaction. I get the skepticism, and I think that's the best approach to the subject. But they do exist and I would like to know wtf they are.
And it was in China again, maybe Mongolia?
heh, I am not arguing their existence. Only their association with aliens and their preference in probing men from trailer parks. :lol
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Exactly, was not really aiming that at you anyway.
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If we didn't know about dinosaur fossils would we believe they exsisted. It's hard to believe the world we live in today that any of these dinosaurs ever walked the earth but for some reason the earth's living things down sized a lot. Wonder why? I don't know but thanks for the link proves that picture and the others wrong but doesn't say giants never exsisted. It might be ridiculous but could be true but I'd think fossil remains would have been found by now if it were
I've also looked at Megalodons an extinct shark about 50-65 feet long to me that is ridiculous
http://www.fossils-facts-and-finds.com/megalodon.html
larger then a 18wheeler and weighing more at about 48 tons
(http://www.scubadivingsarasota.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/168-565c.jpg)
So nothing is really ridiculous if proven fact, am I right?
You are right ;)
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Nick Pope has made a very decent career from the couple of years he spent in an MoD department doing ... well we dont know what exactly because its covered by the OSA. he might have been ordering paper clips for all we know. got alot of traction by piggybacking the X Files popularity. fair play to him I reckon :D
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there is such a big cammunity out there of people in the KNOW who do KNOW saying "hay dumb arses were telling you this is real" but it doesnt matter because the none believers will never be convinced till they see it on their TV screen!
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there is such a big cammunity out there of people in the KNOW who do KNOW saying "hay dumb arses were telling you this is real" but it doesnt matter because the none believers will never be convinced till they see it on their TV screen!
I know! People are so dumb, instead of just believing people's testimony, they want evidence and proof, idiots.
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I know! People are so dumb, instead of just believing people's testimony, they want evidence and proof, idiots.
Are you referring to the giant people or UFOs?
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Are you referring to the giant people or UFOs?
I was referencing what I quoted, but it could go for both.
EDIT: Again I'm interchanging UFOs with alien ships, whoops.
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there is such a big cammunity out there of people in the KNOW who do KNOW saying "hay dumb arses were telling you this is real" but it doesnt matter because the none believers will never be convinced till they see it on their TV screen!
we see it on our tv screen all the time, the only real way people will believe it is to see the Et's in person eye to eye only way!
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anyone else seen this ufo? ive seen it a few times. it looks like a cluster of 5 lights close together with a long bright tail.
seen this twice, but ive also seen shooting stars and this was completely different.
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You're not in Stephenville are you? :D
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There is quite a large difference from a "quote" and a scientific "proof".
"quote" isn't the point. The point is it is a truth claim and it is correct. How do you know they didn't have proof?
Who are " smart people" and how do you define " the church"?
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"quote" isn't the point. The point is it is a truth claim and it is correct. How do you know they didn't have proof?
Thankfully, this isn't how our justice system is set up. "Your Honor, what I'm saying is true, I have proof, I'm just not going to show you."
:rolleyes:
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well that argument holds up in family court... at least in Fort Worth... :mad:
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would be funny if it weren't so true.
I've heard it said - our justice system is the worst in the world, except for all the other ones!