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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: beau32 on September 28, 2010, 07:22:07 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iffnw_rbB1Q
At 4:55 in the film, you see a Typhoon with droptanks and rockets. Even the one in the back ground is loaded out the same way. Looks like 2 may be possabily 3 rockets under each wing. Any chances of getting this load out in game?
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Interesting find. Good video too. Hopefully someone will shed some light on this. :aok
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The typhoon we have in game has four props, these have three.
I'm guessing a different earlier variant.
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"Normal RP load for a Typhoon was four under each wing, but they could be used in conjunction with 44-gallon long-range tanks (each tank replacing the two inner rails) in combinations of two tanks/four RP or a single tank and six RP. As a single RP with a 60 lb head weighed in the region of 100 lb, a full load of eight with Mk.IA rails totalled over 1,200 lbs. Trials at A&AEE showed that a Typhoon with this load had its top speed reduced by some 38 mph. This figure was subsequently improved by 15 mph with the fitting of lightweight (240 lb for eight) aluminium Mk.III rails which were available from December 1944 and soon supplanted the steel rails."
- 2nd Tactical Air Force v4 p.611 Christopher Shores & Chris Thomas 2008 Midland Publishing
Weightwise, it appears we are currently equipped with Mk.III rails (thanks, HTC!) but it certainly would be nice to have an extended-range RP-equipped Typhoon.
Any chance of a game loadout configuration change to allow drop tanks + rockets as was historically accurate?
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+1 to any variants used in actual combat.
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HTC.... you have a problem. ;)
I vote to give the Typhoon the ability to mount DT's when paired with SIX rockets. It'd be nice to get the Typhoon another couple of sectors worth of range in the MA. :aok
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Who cars, the mossy works better :D :ahand
6 rockets, 2 bombs, 2 engines, more range, more firepower
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I would guess based on the full invasion stripes that it's from D-Day until they got on the continent which was fairly fast. Once on the continent it was more bang for your buck and 4 rockets a side since range was not an issue. While lugging the rockets for ground support from England I imagine they needed the extra fuel.
The RAF Tiffies carried rockets while the RCAF birds carried bombs. Not sure why the difference in loadouts.
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From the reference I cited earlier, the "distinctive markings" (aka "invasion stripes") visible on the fuselage were mandated by SHAEF on 4 June 1944. Removal of the upper fuselage stripes officially started 6 July 1944. So in the video, I think we're seeing Typhoons from the D-Day period.
Which fits the theory that drop tanks + rockets were useful for cross-channel operations.
Not to disagree with my learned colleague, but I can find multiple references that the RAF loaded Typhoon 1B's with both bombs and rockets. Actually the loadout could be changed by field mechanics between rocket and bomb rails & racks but this was eventually stopped and individual wings were designated "RP" or "Bomber" wings. I haven't researched the RCAF Typhoon operations at all.
Regarding 3 bladed vs 4 bladed props, it appears the conversion to the 4-bladed prop was a running change which started around April 1944, so the Typhoons in the video are still consistent with D-Day era planes that hadn't had the running change installed. Interestingly, the only significant performance change with the 3 to 4 blade conversion was a decrease in takeoff distance by 150 - 200 feet. - 10 April 1944 memo by Air Vice Marshall J.D. Breakey, Air Ministry.
Operationally, I cannot find a direct reference to the number of RP's (RAF-speak for rockets) fired from drop-tank equipped 1B's. However there is a small mention in the above reference (with photos) to double-stack rockets on Typhoon 1B's. Eventually, a total load of 12 RP's was fitted, with the two inner rails per wing mounting 2 rockets each and 1 on each of the 2 outer rails. Each pair of RP's on the inner 2 rails could only be fired as one item but the others could be fired individually.
Regarding operational use, the same reference as in my earlier post states that from this double-rocket fitment, only 590 RP's were fired from Mk.1A rails and a further 381 were fired from Mk.III rails by the 2nd TAF. Of the 210,028 RP's fired by the 2nd TAF that's definitely not a large fraction. I mention this double-rocket information only because if the ponderous double-rocket configuration was actually used operationally (albeit in relatively small numbers) it seems logical that the more-practical loadoout of RP's/DT's was also employed operationally.
I did find a B&W photo of a Typhoon 1B fitted with drop tanks and rockets but since we have video showing same it seems superfluous.
Soooooooo HTC, how about it? Could we see a RP/DT loadout option for the Typhoon?
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what?! and give betty more time to kill!!! i say NAY to this blasphemy!!! :bolt:
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Bump....
Anyone interested in the Typhoon having a drop tank/rocket loadout option? Post if you're interested
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+1 the plane would see much greater use, I know I would for base deacking
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Bump....
Anyone interested in the Typhoon having a drop tank/rocket loadout option? Post if you're interested
Yes, for realism :aok
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+1
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I might not use it, but I definitely wouldn't mind the option! :aok
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If it was a legit mod, then yes.
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+1 indeed :rock
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Another load out options with rockets.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/typhoonrockets.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/typhoonrockets1.jpg)
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Another load out options with rockets.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/typhoonrockets.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/typhoonrockets1.jpg)
Impressive. Very impressive.
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Another load out options with rockets.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/typhoonrockets.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/typhoonrockets1.jpg)
ohhhhhh thats a sexy plane right there!!! :)
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ohhhhhh thats a sexy plane right there!!! :)
its no P51 :aok
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its no P51 :aok
i know!!! :)
its even more sexier than the pony!!
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i know!!! :)
its even more sexier than the pony!!
:cry :ahand :bolt:
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(singing) Fairy tales can come true,
They can happen to you,
When you ask HTC nicely {and add some solid references}
(apologies to The Chairman)
From 2.24 Patch 1 details:
"Added a rocket and drop tank loadout to the Typhoon.
Added weight and drag to the Typhoon rocket rails."
THANKS, HTC! :salute
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Added weight and drag to the Typhoon rocket rails.
this stood out for me when I read the readme, surely the drag was modelled before? it certainly felt like it. :headscratch:
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this stood out for me when I read the readme, surely the drag was modelled before? it certainly felt like it. :headscratch:
The drag effects could certainly be felt (before the update). I'm not sure why they increased the drag or weight. I just double checked the weight of the rockets and rails on the Mossi Mk IV and the Typhoon...
the 8/60lb rockets weigh the same on both planes: 640 lbs (btw, that is a LOT of destructive power for only 640 lbs of weight)
The rails on the Mossi weight 240 lbs, the rails on the Typhoon weight 480 lbs. I wonder why the difference?
Disclaimer: I refuse to allow HTC to increase the weight of the rails on the Mossi. It is forbidden. :D