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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Brucifer on July 12, 2001, 11:56:00 PM
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I for one was very exsited to see that AH supported a "Night time" and looked forward to it. However, anymore I dread it, even HATE it!! I can't fly at "night" I can't even see the field well enough to land on it, and it's starting to piss me off that I pay $30 a month for a game I have not been able to fly for two nights in a row now, simply cause it's "night time" when I log in! I for one am more then ready for either the nights to be MUCH shorter i.e. 5 min. tops, or to do away with it all together. It's incredibly annoying to TRY to go fly this game in the time I have to fly it only to find out it's Night time in AH!! PLEASE, lets get rid of it!!! Maybe we could make the moon brighter? but lights on the fields? SOMETHING!!
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Had you tried to turn your room's light off? Works for me :)
Now dawn is another story ;)
Cheers,
Pepe
[ 07-13-2001: Message edited by: Pepe ]
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I'd agree with you that lights on the field would be nice- as would cockpit lights (maybe red?). However, I disagree with you that night needs to be shortened or done away with.. it lasts for maybe 15 minutes anyways. I for one would like to see it last LONGER.
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First be sure you're using 32bit colors.
Then find out if your vid-cards gamma-level is adjustable.
Darken your room and adjust your monitors brightness.
If it's still too dark try fight in WWIIOL's night.
I can guarantee its twice as hard as in AH :)
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You fly in daylight?
I started AH in march, and couldn't understand the objections to night flying, I could see OK.
Now the long summer days are here, and I find I can't see a thing if the screen is light by sun light.
One of the few, very, very few, reasons to want the long Nordic nights back.....
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Night flying is the coolest thing since sliced bread... I cant understand why anyone doesnt like it - it kicks ass.
You are right about the red lighting - HINT HTC...
Give it another go with the lights off and fly by the seat of your pants - adrenaline rush anyone?
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Night WOULD be cool, BUT were missing some important things, which would make the night-time very cool feature. Now the zero light is just ruining my fights.
1.Fighters with flares
2.Icon range to 2k
3.Field lights and some random ground lights here and there. Also every target, like city should have lights.
4.Plane cockpits should have red lighting. Also, when youre close to your enemy, you should see the dim from hes cockpit.
5.For eye candy, explosions should emit light and if this new dx8 allows, tracers too.
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Could be a number of things... but I watched the roster tonight and we went from about 120 people down to 60 within minutes of the onset of night.
And regarding turning the lights off etc., the days are pretty long and pretty bright, and for a lot of us the lights are *already* off, and during the AH night I'm looking at a reflection of my face in the monitor and seein' what look like enemy planes fly up my nostrils.
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Tuomio,
I would go with your points, except the lights thing. AFAIK, lights in cities were off, when there was an ongoing raid. In airfields, they were only turned on for landing/take off purposes.
Would be cool if landing lights turned on for, say, 30 seconds, when a player clicks the rnwy button, and a dot command (for instance .lights A##, operative when inside certain radius of such A## airfield) to turn them on when landing. ;)
Cheers,
Pepe.
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I know pepe, here in finland at ww2, they built a fake town with some lights 30km out from Helsinki (they got a hint about bombing destination and ETA), which were Soviet bombers target...And they swallowed it! =) They bombed the hell out from the bogus city and thousands of lives were saved.
But i think it wouldnt ruin AH if there was 1 or 2 little lights in the city. You couldnt pinpoint anyway with it and only effective method would be carpet bombing.
I think it would be much more eye candy, to see those light shining in runways all the time.
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Negative
Nihgt fly is good and should be longer i.e. 1 hour. If you dont know how to fly at night, then you could ask somebody, who know it :)
ps.: land should be a bit darker.. is too lighting now
[ 07-13-2001: Message edited by: EagleC ]
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Originally posted by Brucifer:
I ! PLEASE, lets get rid of it!!! Maybe we could make the moon brighter? but lights on the fields? SOMETHING!!
Brew:
I don't mind night flying so much anymore, but it took some getting used to at first. I also don't mind it because I know its gonna end. Anything that affects lighting will yeild different preferences from people. For some of us, age settles in and affects our eyesight; I for one am affected by this.
The virtual night isn't accurate because night vision isn't factored into the modelling. I for one am affected by the daylight; its too bright and I have to strain to read the map.
I don't agree with some in here who suggest that lights be used at airfields or in cities. Throughout battles areas strict blackouts were in effect. But, perhaps some sort of reflector lights which only pilots of that country could see would be a compromise.
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night time is just a minor annoyance with me now. If it were longer it would bother me more. It slows down the action.
It can be ok because it's "different" but if I am undecided wether to stay on or log, night time will decide for me. I will log for the day. shorter nigh would be better longer would be worse. If you like doing nothing in a new way... It's ok I guess.
lazs
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The nice thing about night flying is that it doesn't matter if you black out.
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night flying is awsome and the sawn is quiet spectacular.
red lighting and runway lights would be nice
rav(messiah1 in h2h)
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know it's not the first time it's been mentioned, but there are some pilots who would enjoy the addition of nightfighters w/ internal radar, if HTC can model it accurately and lengthening the night to about an hour.
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I noticed a mass log-out last night as the daylight dwindled off into darkness in the Main Arena. I was in the midst of a long Lancaster mission, so I WELCOME the night, as its another nice way to hide.
What I wish we had were lights on the runway, or even landing lights, so I can see as I am landing...it gets a little dicey there for a few minutes with the nose up so high.
Something that's stupid, tho, is that as the area darkens, so does your map. Why? Come on, they had flashlights back then :D
The night aspect is a lot of fun, but if you are in a fighter, like an La7, that G's out fast, the night effect can really ruin your fun.
If we're going to have night time, lets have night time equipment on the plane, and the appropriate lighting. Its too bad so many log when it arrives, but I understand their reasons too.
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night is ok...
twilight lasts 4 hours and sucks
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Originally posted by Ding_Hao:
know it's not the first time it's been mentioned, but there are some pilots who would enjoy the addition of nightfighters w/ internal radar, if HTC can model it accurately and lengthening the night to about an hour.
It is frustrating that the map goes blank but your dash brightens up...
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I HATE night.
I hate dawn and dusk, too.
I've got a TNT and a 15 inch monitor. I have enough trouble distinguishing a plane from the ground as it is (i.e. with the sun directly above). Is a gaming environment that leads to almost %50 of the players to stop playing really any good for business?
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I think it's important to remember that the originator of this post is a girly dweeb man.
It pains me to say that, for the most part, I agree with him :p
I think with a mild revamping that the night stuff could be very cool.
Maybe tone down the auto field acks or something to make base capture a little easier or something.
Its obvious that you've taken something away from the player (the ability to see) replace it with a small advantage and you wont see the mass dumping when it gets dark
Light sourcing would be beautiful
Red lights in the cockpit are mandatory
Did the planes have Landing lights? That would be freaking cool!
A note on the reflector site. That is a light source in itself, and should not get dimmer when I go under clouds or it gets dark out. If anything it should appear brighter due to the relative light around it as its own luminance stays constant.
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Two things that I'd like to see for night flying:
a. Red flood lights in lieu of current lighting in the cockpit to help keep the panel brightness from overwhelming the outside view.
b. Controllable brightness for the gunsight.
Overall, night flying adds another dimension to online sim flying. With it, there are additional challenges that spawn new techniques and tactics that help keep the sim fresh and interesting. The dusk/night/dawn visuals add a lot to the overall game, IMO.
MiG
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Originally posted by Fester:
Did the planes have Landing lights? That would be freaking cool!
A note on the reflector site. That is a light source in itself, and should not get dimmer when I go under clouds or it gets dark out. If anything it should appear brighter due to the relative light around it as its own luminance stays constant.[/QB]
The P-47 had a landing light just aft of the main wheel well under the port wing. It lay flush with the wing in normal flight and popped down 90 degrees for landing. Landing lights in the absense of runway lights would be a cool addition. Also, the position lights on the wingtips and rudder would be nice to see... useful for forming up in the dark, or for IFF--tell your buddie to flash his position lights briefly for you so you can see him.
As far as the gunsight, it seems like we should be able to adjust the brightness (alpha channel) of the gunsight for day or night operation.
I like the night, but I also agree dawn/dusk last way too damn long.
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There are a TON of good points in everyones post.. Well, other then maybe the one about laser beams on the sharks heads!! <G> I'm still trying to figure that out! When I put up the 1st post by "night time" I was refering to ALL of it, Dawn, Night, and Dusk. all of it together is WAY to long IMHO! I should have been more clear about that. What I had not considered was that it could be done diffrently and make it VERY cool, and there are a ton of good idea's in this thread. I really like the red dash lights idea. As the white lights just really blind me after looking another direction and then going back to the front view. I already fly at night with all the lights out in my house, but next time I will try tweaking my Gama settings and see if that helps any. But tell me, Does HIGH TECH ever read the message boards? I'm just wondering what the chances are that he will ever see any of these VERY good idea's.
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Yes, HTC staff read the messages.
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Night flying is AWESOME. I wish they made night be 20 minutes long with 2 minute long dawn/dusk. That orange is HORRIBLE and completely unplayable. It physically HURTS :)
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Using what were primarily day VFR fighters operated routinely in a night environment?
Where are the "realism police" when u need em?
:D
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Brucifer i dont agree i think nights are great. For 1 thing it makes it easier to sneak up on people. And its challenging.
JoshD
106th DEVINE SCUMBAGS :mad:
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i think the problem is some vidio cards/monitors show the night as darker (total black) than other combo's , i can't see anything when it gets dark , yes i've adj gamma and monitor so thats not it
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I think night is good. But then I also like flying with Brucifer and Rarey (Fester on this board) :)
For me night is a good time to do something different. If I have been flying for a long time, I may switch to a GV, boat, a big gun, or to log. Coming up for a few flights and finding it rolling into night is not fun, but I think many of the ideas here would make flying better at night.
My picks,
A lighted clipboard that also works at night and under dark clouds.
Dimmed, or red, dash.
A gamma slider to lighten the screen. I can see much better with the lights out, so it would be good to have a slider to boost the brightness so the lights can stay on, or for play during the day.
Search lights (as suggested by Fidd).
Gunner <CAF>
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I think that if some of these ideas are incorporated I would actually enjoy night flying (as it is it is PITCH BLACK adjustments listed do not help) the search light thing would be so freaking cool!
Common HiTech, great Ideas here. If you dont incorporate them ILL CANCEL MY F%CKING ACCOUNT I SWEAR TO GAWD THIS TIME IM NOT KIDDING!!!
**pant ... wheeze... passes out**
;)
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The few times I had a chance to fly at night it was fun, but I can definitely understand why some people have trouble with it. It's all about your gamma settings and when you fly (during real life) Some good ideas in this thread though, and with how hitech usually listens we might see some of them implemented.
I dont think anyone can argue that a 1v1 dogfight in the dark is tons of fun though.
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Fester said...
Common HiTech, great Ideas here. If you dont incorporate them ILL CANCEL MY F%CKING ACCOUNT I SWEAR TO GAWD THIS TIME IM NOT KIDDING!!!
**pant ... wheeze... passes out**
Dident you call ME a dweeb? Sheeeesh, guess you can't pick your family OR your sqd. mates eh? <GGGG>
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Night is pretty cool.
Dusk/dawn sucks. Something about it makes *all* icons the same color, no matter what I have the colors set for, and they are nearly impossible for me to see/read.
anRky, the colorblind.
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Landing lights would be cool too, maybe that was mentioned already, i don't know.
But i think it was only english bombers who had those, since they we're bombing at night.
O yeah, germanian bombers too.
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Just eat more carrots.... good for night vision... eat carrots... carrots goood ... <sniff sniff> <jump jump> <getting horny>