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Title: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: Wolfala on September 29, 2010, 08:30:03 PM
Trying to get it to work on my desktop so I can RDP in from outside - can't get it to kick over. Did the port fwding. Does anyone have a VNC server to practice with or is an rdp session in order for proper setup?
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: columbus on September 29, 2010, 08:54:19 PM
ive always been fond of teamviewer or pchelpware for those kinda things both work great and easy to set up
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on September 30, 2010, 12:41:10 AM
Trying to get it to work on my desktop so I can RDP in from outside - can't get it to kick over. Did the port fwding. Does anyone have a VNC server to practice with or is an rdp session in order for proper setup?

Hmm.. are you sure you're not confusing RDP and VNC now? VNC requires a VNC server and a VNC client to connect to eachother. Remote Desktop Protocol is built in windows.

If you want to run VNC you must install VNC service to the host machine and then plug in it with a VNC client. RDP uses native remote desktop functionality in windows and afaik is not compatible with vnc. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: RTHolmes on September 30, 2010, 06:51:39 AM
VNC is a PITA to set up, and hasnt worked great for me in the past. even the naming conventions are weird, your machine is the server and the remote machine is the client. I understand why, but its still confusing :headscratch:

If its a windoze machine you want to control just use RDP, its one thing that MS has done a really great job of implementing (even the OSX RDP app works well) :aok
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: Wolfala on September 30, 2010, 08:44:42 AM
VNC is a PITA to set up, and hasnt worked great for me in the past. even the naming conventions are weird, your machine is the server and the remote machine is the client. I understand why, but its still confusing :headscratch:

If its a windoze machine you want to control just use RDP, its one thing that MS has done a really great job of implementing (even the OSX RDP app works well) :aok

I finally said screw it and just went with LogMeIn. How frustrating.
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on September 30, 2010, 11:04:13 AM
VNC is a PITA to set up, and hasnt worked great for me in the past. even the naming conventions are weird, your machine is the server and the remote machine is the client. I understand why, but its still confusing :headscratch:

If its a windoze machine you want to control just use RDP, its one thing that MS has done a really great job of implementing (even the OSX RDP app works well) :aok

I have experience with VNC only on linux hosts and at least there it works very easy and reliably.
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: columbus on September 30, 2010, 12:20:44 PM
seriously try

Teamviewer

www.teamviewer.com (http://www.teamviewer.com)

most people i show think its the best next thing to sliced bread.
no worrying about port forwarding or firewalls
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on September 30, 2010, 12:46:58 PM
seriously try

Teamviewer

www.teamviewer.com (http://www.teamviewer.com)

most people i show think its the best next thing to sliced bread.
no worrying about port forwarding or firewalls


Teamviewer is a remote support program that requires someone on the client machine to approve the connection. It can't be used for popping in and out your remote computer.
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: columbus on September 30, 2010, 06:44:11 PM
no you can set up the client machine with a preinstalled password and connect on and off as needed. in the teamviewer client list it will show which computer are online or offline. just like log me or VNC in your client computer has to be online and setup to recieve a connection. i have found teamviewer to work better and faster then VNC or PCanywhere or pchelpware.

pchelpware is my 2nd choice its based on Uvnc.
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: Spikes on September 30, 2010, 07:33:15 PM
I will second "Teamviewer". Beat program I've ever used for RD.
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: ebfd11 on September 30, 2010, 10:55:53 PM
You might want to try www.gotomypc.com
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: columbus on September 30, 2010, 11:50:09 PM
logmein and gotomypc are all pay for services. no need to pay for something you can do for free

the logmein free has features neutered that you can do in Teamveiwer  for free.

  thanks you can't do with logmein free-

    *  Remote Printing - Allows you to print documents from your host computer to the computer at which you are sitting.
    * File Manager - Gives the ability to transfer files back and forth between the two computers.
    * Remote Sound - Allows sound from the host computer to be heard at the computer at which you are sitting.
    * Desktop Sharing - Invite a guest to work with you on your computer.
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on October 01, 2010, 02:19:36 AM
no you can set up the client machine with a preinstalled password and connect on and off as needed. in the teamviewer client list it will show which computer are online or offline. just like log me or VNC in your client computer has to be online and setup to recieve a connection. i have found teamviewer to work better and faster then VNC or PCanywhere or pchelpware.

pchelpware is my 2nd choice its based on Uvnc.

Oh this I didn't know then again I've used teamviewer paid version only a few times.
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: columbus on October 01, 2010, 07:34:11 AM
the paid version and the free version or the same exept the paid version is suppost to be for those making money from using it.

its nice to be able to tell a person to download the TeamviewerQS and be connected to their computer within 1-2 minutes after they launch it.

or using the full install if you have a bunch of machines you remote into being able to see if they are up and not having issues.

i find it hard that someone would let you use this software for free its that good. 
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on October 01, 2010, 12:13:59 PM
the paid version and the free version or the same exept the paid version is suppost to be for those making money from using it.

its nice to be able to tell a person to download the TeamviewerQS and be connected to their computer within 1-2 minutes after they launch it.

or using the full install if you have a bunch of machines you remote into being able to see if they are up and not having issues.

i find it hard that someone would let you use this software for free its that good. 

Teamviewer does have problems with some firewall configurations, that's why I rarely use it - we have other methods that are far more reliable.
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: Wolfala on October 01, 2010, 12:25:20 PM
I did LogMeIn because we have it at the office for about 10 other computers. Since we've got the license available, i'm going to take 1 of them. Just as good as free since its already paid for IMO - and I can get on my desktop with my iPad at the construction site to access my file server.
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: columbus on October 01, 2010, 12:59:17 PM
i be interested to know what ones for future reference. usually if teamviewer can connect to the internet and reach the teamviewer server its reachable unless the network is severly locked down. my understanding is it makes the connection from teamviewer server and that allows it to make a connection to the host. as apposed to like VNC sitting on the machine locally waiting for a connection. so the only reason teamveiwer shouldnt work if it cant reach the teamviewer server. and then my guess would be its blocked for a reason. the only other product i have seen that can initate a connection client side is PChelpware based on Uvnc, but that has to be coded and probably port forwarded host side and the client has to be set up prior for the customer to use it.
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on October 01, 2010, 02:15:54 PM
i be interested to know what ones for future reference. usually if teamviewer can connect to the internet and reach the teamviewer server its reachable unless the network is severly locked down. my understanding is it makes the connection from teamviewer server and that allows it to make a connection to the host. as apposed to like VNC sitting on the machine locally waiting for a connection. so the only reason teamveiwer shouldnt work if it cant reach the teamviewer server. and then my guess would be its blocked for a reason. the only other product i have seen that can initate a connection client side is PChelpware based on Uvnc, but that has to be coded and probably port forwarded host side and the client has to be set up prior for the customer to use it.

For example gotomeeting.com provides remote services for 'hosting meetings' but you can actually do anything you typically need for a remote support session i.e. invite a client to join through an e-mail link without need for installing anything, initiate connection through ports 8200, 443 and 80 and take control of the remote computer. I have yet to see a network where gotomeeting wouldn't be able to establish the connection where teamviewer is often blocked. Webex works well too. Then there are free alternatives but I haven't tried them personally (fuze, zoho etc.)
Title: Re: Going absolutely nuts with VNC
Post by: columbus on October 01, 2010, 02:52:12 PM
i would think a pay service like gotomeeting would offer those options too.  but then gotomeeting is geared towards the multiple connections for meetings and not the simple one on one remote desktop sessions that VNC or loginme or teamviewer is meant for.