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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Scotch on October 03, 2010, 06:20:13 PM
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Decided to say screw a laptop and go for something with more bang for the buck. Put this list together with Spikes help. Thought it'd be good to get some secondary opinions/advice. This will be my first build. Everything look okay? Power supply big enough? Enough go juice to run AH decently? Anything better for the price?
NZXT BETA EVO Classic Series CS-NT-BETA-EVO Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Model #:CS-NT-BETA-EVO
Item #:N82E16811146059
AMD Phenom II X2 555 Black Edition Callisto 3.2GHz Socket AM3 80W Dual-Core Desktop Processor - C3 Revision HDZ555WFGMBOX
Model #:HDZ555WFGMBOX
Item #:N82E16819103846
ASUS M4A77TD AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
Model #:M4A77TD
Item #:N82E16813131603
SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Model #:100283-3L
Item #:N82E16814102873
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBNQ
Model #:F3-10666CL9D-4GBNQ
Item #:N82E16820231190
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Model #:WD6401AALS
Item #:N82E16822136319
LITE-ON CD/DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM
Model #:iHAS124-04
Item #:N82E16827106289
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC ...
Model #:OCZ600MXSP
Item #:N82E16817341017
Acer X203HCbd Black 20" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
Model #:ET.DX3HP.C02
Item #:N82E16824009218
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Model #:GFC-00599
Item #:N82E16832116754
~$800
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nice build, great upgrade path available for the future!
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PSU may be the only thing I'd see lacking but I don't know exact power requirements on the 5770. Not sure how people feel about modular anymore (was a bit of a clash about it a while back on here), but if you don't mind non-modular the OCZ StealthX700 is a very nice one. If you can afford it SeaSonic is the top recommended brand since PC P&C is gone.
Only other thing may be the 1GB GPU, I heard the 512MB counterparts normally run faster but I don't think the difference would be enough to worry about at all.
Rest of it looks fine, running the same CPU myself (OC'd to ~3.7GHz) on a 785 (vs 770) motherboard chipset and coupled with 2GB RAM and a GTX 260 runs great. System will run great for AH, should be able to run everything maxed with 4K shadows (smoothed) at ~60Fr.
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Scotch, that's just about the same as my build I put together last year, except I got a different psu and I got the overclocked MSI 5850, and a different model of Asus mb. You'll want a bigger psu I think, if I remember right the mb I had wanted 600 or 650 as the bare minimum. At any rate, it'll do the job nicely for you I think. Don't forget that you'll want a powered usb hub for your stick/throttle/pedals. I kinda lucked out and got a really good Samsung 22 inch monitor when CompUSA was going out of business, for not much over a hundred bucks.
Dug up the thread where I posted it... ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
Very similar rigs and this one runs it like a champ, everything possible on and nary a problem.
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Scotch, looks great, but get this for $40 more. You'll be glad you did.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006)
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The PSU calculator says I'd need about 405W, but then throw in CH gear etc, and any future potential upgrades...yeah, I'll get something with more power. Spikes had also suggested the one below with a similar quad core build up. Maybe I'll go with that...
SILVERSTONE DA700 700W ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256035
Karaya yours looks good too. +50w over the one I posted for only $20 more. The only thing is the feedback that calls it an octopus due to the mass of wiring hanging out everywhere... Tons of wires bug the crap out of me. They're also a little intimidating heh. I might go with it though
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I didn't look at the posts but I'd get at least a 750W 80+ certified PSU. Seasonic would be my first choice followed by Corsair at this point. Preferably a single 12V rail, 60+ amps, non-modular.
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Newegg is driving me crazy! Always another way to throw another couple dollars into it.
If I go with the PSU from Karaya, which I will, I can buy it as a package with a 1.5TB version of the hard drive I was looking at, for just $5 more (after rebate) than what I'd be paying for the psu and smaller hd. I think I'm spending all of my beer money... :uhoh :airplane:
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Scotch, looks great, but get this for $40 more. You'll be glad you did.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006)
Coming from the one who suggested the 600w modular to me. :(
Up to you Scotch but I run 2 5770's on mine.
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Hmm. :uhoh
You're using the same 600w Spikes? You pretty much built the main setups I'm looking at so I trust ya.
From reading the reviews on the 5770's, seems like most people are running 600-650w...range going from 400w-750w that I've read so far. It would be nice to save the $ since I'm already over budget. Three guys telling me to get more power can't be ignored though. :headscratch:
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You can get by on 600W but if you ever decide to add a second card or if power requirements rise on newer cards in the future (likely to happen) you'll probably have to upgrade the PSU at that point. So the choice is spend a little extra now for insurance or possibly spend a lot more down the road. Also, at 750W you'll likely be able to swap that right into your next machine.
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I too agree with getting the bigger PS. 700-750.
The 1 Gig and 512k VC discussion was a long time ago and IIRC focused on the 9800GTX. Really doesn't apply to these new cards.
To bring up another discussion, just a short time ago, people were having lot's of problems with 1 TB hard drives. Not sure if the 1.5's are having the same failure rate. You didn't mention the brand of the bundled HD. :(
I have done several builds with the 320 and 640 GB AALS series drives and they have been flawless.
My .02
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Hmm. :uhoh
You're using the same 600w Spikes? You pretty much built the main setups I'm looking at so I trust ya.
From reading the reviews on the 5770's, seems like most people are running 600-650w...range going from 400w-750w that I've read so far. It would be nice to save the $ since I'm already over budget. Three guys telling me to get more power can't be ignored though. :headscratch:
I have a 750w PC Power & Cooling PSU myself. To get a clean look, grab some zip ties. Take just the leads you'll need and run them to the "window side of your case". Bundle the rest (as tidy as you can, getting the tightest bundle you can) with a single zip tie. Then take the "unused leads and put them out the rear side panel behind the MB tray. Then take each wire and affix them neatly to the back of your MB tray. It's a PITA (I know, because I did it) but the airflow will agree with your PC more. Then connect your components with your "need to use leads".
I'm not trying to insult you bro. Just giving you an easy way to do some Cable Management. I have the NZXT Tempest EVO with a window, so I enjoy looking at the "pay off". Even if you don't have a window, the airflow makes a little difference in the case.
Scotch if you want I can show you what I did and snap some pictures if you like. Just let me know. But the Corsair's and Seasonic's (they do have a $175 modular PSU) are tops now that OCZ killed PC Power & Cooling.
Spikes, IIRC, you were adamant on a 600W. I usually will recommend 750's as BE said "they are more future proof than a 600W".
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I agree with every that says about the psu. I would no get that OCZ PSU nor would I ever use that one in any of my builds. The Corsair 750 is the way to go.
TD
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Spikes, IIRC, you were adamant on a 600W. I usually will recommend 750's as BE said "they are more future proof than a 600W".
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/spikesx/Computer/IMG_2364.jpg
I've used it in a few builds and it works flawlessly.
I love the Corsair 750 however he was on a budget so I try to respect it. ;)
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Just a thought.......
No Hardware and Software thread is complete without Spikes' "re-movable hardware"
Just sayin
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Hey Scotch,
I’m looking at buying a penny wise setup. What was your final item list and price? What sort of frame rates do you think you can get at what settings?
Thanks for posting your item list. That was just what I was looking for.
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Looks good. I really like that case but...
Wheres the power button?
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Looks good. I really like that case but...
Wheres the power button?
It's on the left side under the CD/DVD-rom drives.
The one on the right is the reset button and also doubles as the HDD indicator.
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Hey Scotch,
I’m looking at buying a penny wise setup. What was your final item list and price? What sort of frame rates do you think you can get at what settings?
Thanks for posting your item list. That was just what I was looking for.
I haven't bought yet, but I will let you know. I think it's pretty cool we'll have similar/clone systems. :) I expect to get great frame rates with most/all settings on. You might end up getting yours before mine, so keep me updated!